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It irked me to no end to see him put Flash down as just a guy that runs fast.

Sorry Bob but answer me this, how the hell do you think Warner Bros would/ could of handling at making Wonder Woman as a live action film? Since they couldn't nail down the live TV series, I just don't think they could of done Wonder Woman justice by bringing her to the big screen just yet. Sure you can say about Thor but yet again they would of avoid trying to copies the way Thor was made. So overall I welcome The Flash as the replacement for Wonder Woman.

Also while I have no problem with Robocop new design but I know it will suck for the PG-13 rating, come on! Robocop films were rated 18!!!

The only thing that hyped me was The World of Warcraft movie. But PLEASE let it not be anything like The Last Airbender by Shyamalan.
Everything about it is so wrong so hopefully they put a lot of heart into the movie... or at least way better CGI or what not.

OT: I am really disappointed in Warner Brothers. I wanted a Wonder Woman movie. You know, a female character who's been such an inspiration get the big screen as a main role but- nope it's The Flash. I'm starting to think that Warner Brothers wants to appeal to the male audience because hey.. DC characters like Superman, Batman are macho and the guys dig that. *sigh*.

"Change creative team? Thoughtfully consider the direction you're taking the series? etc. etc.?" I saw the joke coming there from the moment it started. Hollywood doesn't do anything thoughtful.

Let's see:

- Superman/Batman: I really don't know anymore. It could be an improvement over Man of Steel. Then again, it might end up being more of the same (which, for the record, is NOT what I'd like to see).

And personally, there need's to be a Wonder Woman movie. It's time somebody had the balls to do it (and I can't tell if that line was ironic or not).

- The new Robocop looks like a rejected suit of armor from the Mass Effect series. This does not bode well.

- Godzilla: I hope this is good, but it's hard to see it topping Pacific Rim in terms of satisfying action. It'll probably make more money though, due to name recognition.

- Amazing Spiderman 2: I don't have the animosity for the first one you do, Bob, but then the movie didn't make much of an impression on me. I expect the same result from the sequel.

- World of Warcraft as a movie... I honestly don't care. If it's good, it's good, but I honestly don't care.

- AHHHHHHHH! FUTURAMA! I'm still in mourning.

- Marvel still looking good. Any bets on how much influence Mass Effect will have on Guardians of the Galaxy?

- Ultron... not unexpected, but I'm curious why they decided to push off Thanos until later.

Don't forget that supposedly Fox announced it was doing and X-Force movie.

They haven't said which X-Force, but I'm really hoping for the recent Uncanny Team (Wolverine, Archangel, Psylocke, Deadpool, Fantomex, and possibly Nightcrawler)

I'll admit right now that Guardians of the Galaxy is the Marvel movie I'm MOST looking forward to.

Superman/Batman: As someone who loved Man Of Steel, I am really looking forward to this. And Warner Bros isn't counting Man of Steel a failure like you are. To them it's a huge success.

Robocop: PG-13 doesn't really spell doom. You'd be surprised how much you can get away with in a PG-13 nowadays. Plus they are opening themselves up to the biggest possible audience in what is essentially a huge risk. And Bob, you need to level your expectations. Looking at a movie and going "That movie is going to be terrible. I just know it is." will gurantee you won't like it, see; The Amazing Spider-Man and The Lone Ranger.

Godzilla: Looks okay. I may check this out.

Amazing Spider-Man 2: I loved the first one so I am really looking forward to this.

Futurama: Well, I'd rather it end now than keep going and end up like Simpsons.

Futurama/Simpsons: Has the potential to be great.

Simpsons/Family Guy: Considering I've always said Family Guy is a cruder rip off of Simpsons so hopefully they will get called out in this.

Marvel: What can I say? Everything they've announced and showed has got me super excited for all of their movies.

Lightknight:
I've genuinely never understood Wonder Woman's role as one of the big three other than to be the token girl. Her whole backstory is borderline (more directly) sexist albeit against males, her "lasso of truth" and bullet proof bracelets and the invisible plane have all struck me as particularly silly. Her powers have also WILDLY varied over time so that I'm not really sure what her current powers are, even with the help of wikipedia. DC is one of the best examples of a universe with poor female characters, most of whom are just copies of already existing male heroes. I'm not sure who I'd place in that top teir position though, and maybe that's why DC is stuck with one of the only unique female heroines to stick the test of time (name recognition) who also has comparable powers to the a-listers. The same goes for non-white heroes where they can't be bothered to make a new hero so much as just slap the same white hero's costume on them and give them a different name. Shame on them.

So yeah, I can see Flash getting there first (teehee). Here's to hoping that DC gets their act together. I mean, I can maybe see Power Girl but she's literally a female kryptonian. At least they didn't call her Supergirl/Superwoman and slap on the same costume (this time). Zatanna? I don't know, they've really done themselves a dis-service by making wonder woman one of the only viable distinct female heroes. Compare to Marvel who has at least a few legitimate options they can put in there who are unique and sometimes quite powerful (Invisible Woman, Jean Grey/Pheonix, Jubilee(joking), Storm, and a few more. There aren't many, female characters have trouble selling comics so they have trouble existing. But DC is really far behind here.

In fairness to this practice, it's not like comic companies never tried to break out new characters,but they tended to flub and flub hard. Hence, yeah, we don't get a new Muslim original hero, we get a new Muslim Green Lantern.

DC in particular has survived a lot of it's life on its iconography to the point where the comics don't matter. Wonder Woman is an ideal that probably rarely even lived up to the feminist icon she's painted as (how many years was she the JSA's secretary), but it really doesn't matter. She's an icon that's been around for consistently 70 years. Of course that icon status works against her. We get Flash because you can screw it up a bit without too much flack. Wonder Woman would be gone over with fine toothed comb, and the directer and studio execs flayed alive for anything that didn't live up to that feminist ideal she gets painted as.

Redd the Sock:
DC in particular has survived a lot of it's life on its iconography to the point where the comics don't matter. Wonder Woman is an ideal that probably rarely even lived up to the feminist icon she's painted as (how many years was she the JSA's secretary), but it really doesn't matter. She's an icon that's been around for consistently 70 years. Of course that icon status works against her. We get Flash because you can screw it up a bit without too much flack. Wonder Woman would be gone over with fine toothed comb, and the directer and studio execs flayed alive for anything that didn't live up to that feminist ideal she gets painted as.

Which she invariably will, because ask ten people what the "feminist ideal" is and you'll get eleven different answers.

well bob that was surprisingly fun. I thought you were gonna spend the whole time bitching about bat man super man's team up.
which is a good nice trail run for justice league. cause if you can't sell batman superman you can't sell jla.

I thought futurama was dead again already.

and yes i agree i think Guardians Of The Galaxy is a long shot.

Can i ask a legit question? Are you guys dumb? you want nintendo to make another movie?

REally? nintendo? Really? No troll... have you seen a nintendo movie.. have you seen one be good.

as for the wow movie if blizzard is behind it don't worry zelda still has 10 years to beat the wow movie out.
That's again is not a dig.

Please tell me u bowl wasn't around when they announced the wow movie.

oh and i forgot... BOb can i shoot you once for being a messenger of bad news? It's not your fault. I know it's not... I've really.. really.. really wanted to see robo cop.

pg 13....... (insert enough swears and racial obscentites to get me banned from every forum i've ever been to those same words that belong in Robo cop LOL).
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFluck.

I feel like i got kicked in the balls why did you have to show me that?

Steve the Pocket:

Redd the Sock:
DC in particular has survived a lot of it's life on its iconography to the point where the comics don't matter. Wonder Woman is an ideal that probably rarely even lived up to the feminist icon she's painted as (how many years was she the JSA's secretary), but it really doesn't matter. She's an icon that's been around for consistently 70 years. Of course that icon status works against her. We get Flash because you can screw it up a bit without too much flack. Wonder Woman would be gone over with fine toothed comb, and the directer and studio execs flayed alive for anything that didn't live up to that feminist ideal she gets painted as.

Which she invariably will, because ask ten people what the "feminist ideal" is and you'll get eleven different answers.

No argument. Just getting it out there before too much finger wagging happens at DC when they have every reason to be hesitant about the idea.

You know, however sketchy everything else coming out of Comic-con is sounding, Marvel doing cool things keeps me happy
(generally being what I care about the most). Super fucking excited for the next Cap' movie, it's going to be fucking awesome to see more of him adjusting to the character and Chris Evans is great in the role. What's more is that we're getting more Black Widow, and Robert Redford is in it as well. How about that? I could not give two fucks about Robocop when we're getting this.

I can't wait for the dark and gritty flash movie where his family dies in front of him in order to spurn him in his quest for vengeance/"crime fighting", and then he has to kill the villain to stop him from hurting someone.

complete with tons of slow motion, and erratic 300 speed-ups that completely rob him of any feelings of speed.

and bad dialog

I can't wait.

Goliath100:

Lightknight:
I've genuinely never understood Wonder Woman's role as one of the big three other than to be the token girl.

That is because nobody else does either.

This generally appears the be the problem. She is unappealing as a hero.

Redd the Sock:
In fairness to this practice, it's not like comic companies never tried to break out new characters,but they tended to flub and flub hard. Hence, yeah, we don't get a new Muslim original hero, we get a new Muslim Green Lantern.

Well, it's a little easier for Marvel to introduce new IPs as members of a team since they're largely team-based (Avengers, X-men, Fantastic Four, etc). DC is largely comprised of the Justice League and not a lot else. The thing is, they haven't really even leveraged the Justice League to add new female characters. They have used it to strengthen weaker characters in the universe but not to create them. I mean, Red Tornado was created that way but I can't think of others.

DC in particular has survived a lot of it's life on its iconography to the point where the comics don't matter. Wonder Woman is an ideal that probably rarely even lived up to the feminist icon she's painted as (how many years was she the JSA's secretary), but it really doesn't matter. She's an icon that's been around for consistently 70 years. Of course that icon status works against her. We get Flash because you can screw it up a bit without too much flack. Wonder Woman would be gone over with fine toothed comb, and the directer and studio execs flayed alive for anything that didn't live up to that feminist ideal she gets painted as.

Her being an icon doesn't help when you get into the specifics of her. Her peripherals are, frankly, dumb. From her sharp boomerang golden tiara to her bullet proof bracelets. Her association with the Amazons who murder men and are incredibly sexist puts her in a different category than just a feminist. It potentially goes to all out sexist albeit against men. I mean, I can imagine her being rewritten somehow, but as it stands, she's one of the lamest or most boring characters I've seen in that universe. Even several of the rip-off females (the ones who are just assigned the male counterpart's powers/outfit rather than being unique) are far more interesting than her.

Ronack:
It irked me to no end to see him put Flash down as just a guy that runs fast.

Yes, potentially one of the most powerful beings in the DC universe. Quite interesting that he'd be dismissed so easily. Anything from time travel to passing objects through otherwise impassible solids (imagine the flash putting a krytonite gem in superman's heart). The super fast additionally applies to thinking in such a way that not only allows advanced calculations, but also makes them resistant to mind control/reading.

Realitycrash:
Still no Batman Beyond?
..God DAMNIT.

(Yes, I am going to continue to bitch and moan about this. I don't give a crap about Wonder Woman or Superman or Justice League. Give me Batman Beyond).

I'm finishing up the complete series of Batman Beyond (I even legit bought the box set to do so) and man oh man.

I'd actually go Day 1 to see a Batman Beyond film.

For me I also want a Batman film that features Hamil as the joker. It would be an older Batman and an older Joker (since Hamil is getting older) and perhaps could be the death of Joker.

Would be fantastic.

Lightknight:

Ronack:
It irked me to no end to see him put Flash down as just a guy that runs fast.

Yes, potentially one of the most powerful beings in the DC universe. Quite interesting that he'd be dismissed so easily. Anything from time travel to passing objects through otherwise impassible solids (imagine the flash putting a krytonite gem in superman's heart). The super fast additionally applies to thinking in such a way that not only allows advanced calculations, but also makes them resistant to mind control/reading.

Yeah I figured he was just getting angry because Flash has a penis.

I really like Wonder Woman and would love to have a movie with her in it. But I also really like the Flash and am giddy to see them trying again with him.

Shit they could do a Lady Flash if that would make Bob stop bitching.

I'd have no qualms. I figure some folks would but there have been 3 flash (that I know of) thus far...nothing wrong with a 4th.

daibakuha:

Are you kidding? It's a 5th tier superhero comic adaptation, directed by a guy who's last two films bombed, starring a 4th tier comedy actor from a show that almost nobody watches. Not to mention it's completely different then what they've previously established.

All of these things are good, but don't kid yourself, this is a risk. A big one.

All they have to do is market it like Dreamworks markets their films, and they're instantly rolling around in money. Not to mention, you have the comic book fans flocking. This is, as usual, safe.

Riobux:

daibakuha:

Are you kidding? It's a 5th tier superhero comic adaptation, directed by a guy who's last two films bombed, starring a 4th tier comedy actor from a show that almost nobody watches. Not to mention it's completely different then what they've previously established.

All of these things are good, but don't kid yourself, this is a risk. A big one.

All they have to do is market it like Dreamworks markets their films, and they're instantly rolling around in money. Not to mention, you have the comic book fans flocking. This is, as usual, safe.

What are you even talking about? Market it like a "Dreamworks movie"? The fuck does that mean?

And for sure they'll get fans of the comic, all 400 of them. Comics fans alone don't fill theaters and make a billion dollars.

A PG13 ROBOCOP MOVIE?!

WAT.

Oh hurray, hollywood will not take chances with an R rated movie anymore. Its gotta be crowd pleasing to gain a profit for their wallets and overinflated budgets.

about the other news though, i can't wait for marvel's the next line of movies, especially Cap America 2~

I don't understand why people hate the new superman movie. I thought it was great and my friends and I have frequently talked about who is going to play Lex Luthor. On another note, I never really liked wonder woman on account of her being a little too weird at best and a lot too bitchy at worst. And how is the flash boring compared to her? Sure it's hard to beat casual lesbian bondage woman with superpowers but his super power isn't actually moving fast, it's connecting to a (basically) magical power called the "speed force".

Ronack:
It irked me to no end to see him put Flash down as just a guy that runs fast.

Let's look at the Flash from the movie goer's perspective here. If you'd had no knowledge of the character from reading comics, which is precisely where the studio is going to lob their script, what would you know about him? Hint: The answer is: He can run fast. My very next response? "Flash! Ah-a, Saviour of the Universe!" Which I know is actually about Flash Gordon, but, it's not like the Flash is a household name. He will have to be built up from nothing to start.

Merklyn236:
Marvel continues to run victory laps, and DC continues to wonder why taking a huge crap on its own characters can't get the same kind of returns (though MoS did make a ton of cash....still trying to figure that out). And the Flash? Seriously? I'll flag Marvel for not having given a full movie over to a female comic book character's solo outing, but at least they have done worthwhile efforts with many of their female characters (Peggy Carter, Black Widow [despite her awkward outing in IM2]). I'm saying it now: If Marvel, who does NOT (IMHO) have a female character on the level of Wonder Woman puts out a successful female-character film before DC does a Wonder Woman solo film - DC will owe it's entire fanbase an apology for lack of effort.

How can remake a film that is based on so much violence, satirical or not, like RoboCop and PG-13 it without effing it up? Simply put - you can't. Bombs away.

Carol Danvers/Miss Marvel is on the way and Whedon is apparently interested. Hell Scarlett Johansson wants a Black Widow film as well.

theultimateend:

I'd actually go Day 1 to see a Batman Beyond film.

For me I also want a Batman film that features Hamil as the joker. It would be an older Batman and an older Joker (since Hamil is getting older) and perhaps could be the death of Joker.

Would be fantastic.

They did that already. It's called "Return of the Joker." Sure, it was straight to video, but it's a Batman Beyond that features Mark Hamil as the Joker.

Lightknight:

Goliath100:

Lightknight:
I've genuinely never understood Wonder Woman's role as one of the big three other than to be the token girl.

That is because nobody else does either.

This generally appears the be the problem. She is unappealing as a hero.

This actually got my eye to twitch, because my god are you wrong. Wonder Woman is far from the Token Girl in this trio. Just watch the DC Animated movie of Wonder Woman to see what she can bring to the table. Not only as a character, but for mythos as well because she can bring motherfucking Ares to the battlefield.

Bob didn't whine that much about Zach Snyder moving on to Superman II! It wasn't an entire episode! Thank god.

On a related note, I think this is a good move, rather than Batman getting a new movie to establish a new batman, they are throwing him in the next Superman film. This is exactly what Bob kinda asked for sorta. He said just have him in JLA, but they are instead taking a page from Iron Man 2 and having Batman tag up with Superman in the SUPERMAN sequel.

The Flash thing gets me though, when the hell are they going to figure out how to do Wonder Woman? Possibly never, DC hates women, just look at how they handle women who work for them, let alone the imaginary women they literally own.

daibakuha:

Riobux:

daibakuha:

Are you kidding? It's a 5th tier superhero comic adaptation, directed by a guy who's last two films bombed, starring a 4th tier comedy actor from a show that almost nobody watches. Not to mention it's completely different then what they've previously established.

All of these things are good, but don't kid yourself, this is a risk. A big one.

All they have to do is market it like Dreamworks markets their films, and they're instantly rolling around in money. Not to mention, you have the comic book fans flocking. This is, as usual, safe.

What are you even talking about? Market it like a "Dreamworks movie"? The fuck does that mean?

And for sure they'll get fans of the comic, all 400 of them. Comics fans alone don't fill theaters and make a billion dollars.

Doesn't have to be fans of the comic to be a comic book fan, and market it like a Dreamworks film? Well, go trailer watching. I'll wait.

theultimateend:
Yeah I figured he was just getting angry because Flash has a penis.

Yeah, but it's a flash penis so you'd hardly know it was there.

I really like Wonder Woman and would love to have a movie with her in it. But I also really like the Flash and am giddy to see them trying again with him.

Shit they could do a Lady Flash if that would make Bob stop bitching.

I'd have no qualms. I figure some folks would but there have been 3 flash (that I know of) thus far...nothing wrong with a 4th.

I think they could use Wonder Woman but they'd have to do some real research to write her and cast her properly. Green Lantern would have been good if they hadn't butchered him and I'm glad they didn't go Aquaman (historically has been far below Wonder Woman in my book. Recently, however, they've made him better).

Ronack:
This actually got my eye to twitch, because my god are you wrong. Wonder Woman is far from the Token Girl in this trio. Just watch the DC Animated movie of Wonder Woman to see what she can bring to the table. Not only as a character, but for mythos as well because she can bring motherfucking Ares to the battlefield.

It's perfectly possible that I've missed her performance in some form considering how many things she's in. I particularly liked her role in Kingdom Come. At her best, she's portrayed as a magic-based superwoman with her peripherals being mostly for looks.

I'm looking forward to seeing how atrocious the WoW movie script will turn out. Hopefully it'll at least pass as a so bad its good this time instead of the usual tripe that blizzard puts into the warcraft setting. Granted if Metzen and a certain someone else is kept far away, the script -might- have a chance. Wouldn't bet on it though. That said I'll be surprised if it doesn't make a ton of money.

Lightknight:
It's perfectly possible that I've missed her performance in some form considering how many things she's in. I particularly liked her role in Kingdom Come. At her best, she's portrayed as a magic-based superwoman with her peripherals being mostly for looks.

There's the rub, innit. She's being screwed over by people that can't write her for shit. All they need to do for the Live Action movie is give writing duties to Gail Simone. At least she gets her.

Ronack:
It irked me to no end to see him put Flash down as just a guy that runs fast.

But he is just a guy that runs fast. Every other "power" he has is just a logical extension of super speed. Whether its thinking...at super speed. Or phasing through matter...at super speed. He's basically silver age superman at this point.

Not to say I don't like him. I just think focusing on all his OP powers is boring compared to his real super power

being the nicest guy in the DC universe.

I really hope (even though I know it won't happen) that the Flash movie is a live-action version of JLU's "Flash and Substance". It has likeable villains, a 3 act structure, and really shows that Flash earns all the respect he gets.

And it's not dark, gritty, and hopeless.

No Bob, a Futurama/Simpsons crossover is not good. They'd probably make Bender lead a Katy Perry lipdub or some shit.
No Bob, Wonder Woman is not more important than the Flash.
No Bob, LoZ does not deserve a movie before WoW. I don't even see how that would work without making Link talk.

Two thoughts:

One, It's cool that Ultron is gonna be kicking around in the movies even if we were expecting Thanos, apparently they'll cut out Ant-Man/Giant Man/Hank Pym's involvement, which as a fan of the character, sucks for me. I wonder if they're gonna have Ultron be created by Iron Man, I hope not though, because the movies and resultant media are already a bit Iron Man centric as it is.

Two, is Robocop's right hand intact? Why? It's been a while since I've seen if, but wasn't one of the big indications that the corporate guys were amoral when they decided that even though they could have saved Murphy's hand they chose not to because it wasn't efficient? I seem to remember that being a thing. Moreover, what possible justification is there for given your unstoppable cyborg cop a single frail, human hand?

Nghtgnt:
Dear Everyone,

If you are going to pre-judge the Robocop film, instead of basing your opinions on how Robocop looks you might want to do some background research on the director, Jose Padilha, and more specifically actually go out and find a subtitled version of Tropa de Elite (Elite Squad). If ever there was a right person to helm a remake of this franchise, Padilha is it.

I'm disappointed in you Bob.

Robocop's image is EVERYTHING. If he looks like batman in power armor it's a BAD thing, and the movie will be bad because of it. He'll probably be as fast as some ninja instead of the slow powerhouse which would be ignoring the whole point.

look at this nonsense! Look at iiiit!
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I have to take partial exception with The Flash. Bob, you are right when it comes to the trinity it is WW, Superman and Batman. But while I'm not the comic book reader I have enjoyed the animated series and the last Animated series of Justice League of the 2000's really did a bang up job of establishing The Flash as a character that really shows both sides of having super powers but also being human.

I mean that was probably one of the big shockers from the Animated series was how much of a catalyst they made The Flash and even when they had some episodes where he was the main star those were the episodes that while not having the most flash but certainly had the most depth.

Also in consideration to the whole Wonder Woman thing. Anyone remember the Wonder Woman TV series that was in production but canned? Maybe that's one big reason why because writing a Wonder Woman movie still might be out of the realm of the current writers and directors.

Futurama is a great show, and that's what I want to remember it as. Not as a show that went on X seasons too long, stopped being funny and just became a bunch of dumb meta humor with occasional moments. Even some of the newest episodes seems sort of meh compared to the old stuff. So I for one welcome its demise as ending while it's still better than most shows.

I don't even care about western comics or comic movies that much, and edging Wonder Woman out of the Justice League, at least for now, seems sort of insulting. I mean sure, Wonder Woman might not be the best DC or female character, but it's pretty important to have her in anything resembling the Justice League. The Flash simply isn't a replacement for that.

undeadsuitor:

Ronack:
It irked me to no end to see him put Flash down as just a guy that runs fast.

But he is just a guy that runs fast. Every other "power" he has is just a logical extension of super speed. Whether its thinking...at super speed. Or phasing through matter...at super speed. He's basically silver age superman at this point.

Not to say I don't like him. I just think focusing on all his OP powers is boring compared to his real super power

being the nicest guy in the DC universe.

I really hope (even though I know it won't happen) that the Flash movie is a live-action version of JLU's "Flash and Substance". It has likeable villains, a 3 act structure, and really shows that Flash earns all the respect he gets.

And it's not dark, gritty, and hopeless.

The Flash's power is that he can tap in to the Speed Force, with an added ability that his body changed so he can withstand the effects that this brings with it. Running fast isn't his power, it's an ability he gains from tapping in to the Speed Force.

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