Removing One's Rocks

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lacktheknack:

Piorn:
At least I don't read my porn/VN/Doujin in public/living room or tell everybody about it.

Would you be horrified if I told you I saw a dude hiding his face in a bus, reading 50 Shades of Grey?

OT: Heh. Heh heh. Erin's expression is priceless.

I've seen it on an airplane while casually glancing over at the woman's kindle next to me

I mean, yes, we're on an airplane, but COME ON

A Weakgeek:

I was quite specifically talking about the ones with porn in them. I wasnt equating anything with anything else.

If one enjoys watching a bunch of still images of anime characters with text scroll under is all fine and dandy. I'll stick to actual porn for getting off and actual novels/comics for stories myself though.

You were equalating all the VNs with porn in them, with the porn-centric VNs that have "laughingly terrible plot".

Like GabeZhul said, you generally read romantic visual novels with "porn" not because of the "porn" but because of the story itself is good.

The medium in general has this quirky tradition of sprinkling every single story with a few scenes of hardcore fucking, but there is still a large percentage of it that is in it's execution otherwise comparable to great "actual novels".

If you are reading G-senjou no Maou, or Cross Channel, or Saya no Uta, for getting off, then you are doing it wrong.

Flaery:

knight steel:

Flaery:
Yes, Cory and Grey, you are the straightest shotas.

This is the first comic in quite a bit that I can really relate to.

Excuse doesn't Shota refer to prepubescent boys presented in a sexual situations?-
Both Cory and Grey are adults so why are you calling them that?

OP:Yay I love me My Anime/Manga references-Thanks for the laugh :D

Read the small black text just below the first panel.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh I see.............................so....................Grey and Cory view themselves as sexy children X_X

Entitled:

A Weakgeek:

I was quite specifically talking about the ones with porn in them. I wasnt equating anything with anything else.

If one enjoys watching a bunch of still images of anime characters with text scroll under is all fine and dandy. I'll stick to actual porn for getting off and actual novels/comics for stories myself though.

You were equalating all the VNs with porn in them, with the porn-centric VNs that have "laughingly terrible plot".

Like GabeZhul said, you generally read romantic visual novels with "porn" not because of the "porn" but because of the story itself is good.

The medium in general has this quirky tradition of sprinkling every single story with a few scenes of hardcore fucking, but there is still a large percentage of it that is in it's execution otherwise comparable to great "actual novels".

If you are reading G-senjou no Maou, or Cross Channel, or Saya no Uta, for getting off, then you are doing it wrong.

In that case, how about you suggest me the most accessible "VN with porn in it" to a guy whos not especially fond of anime storytelling and tropes. Preferably not a terribly long one, or atleast one that starts out strong. I promise I'll give it a fair chance.

A Weakgeek:

Entitled:

A Weakgeek:

I was quite specifically talking about the ones with porn in them. I wasnt equating anything with anything else.

If one enjoys watching a bunch of still images of anime characters with text scroll under is all fine and dandy. I'll stick to actual porn for getting off and actual novels/comics for stories myself though.

You were equalating all the VNs with porn in them, with the porn-centric VNs that have "laughingly terrible plot".

Like GabeZhul said, you generally read romantic visual novels with "porn" not because of the "porn" but because of the story itself is good.

The medium in general has this quirky tradition of sprinkling every single story with a few scenes of hardcore fucking, but there is still a large percentage of it that is in it's execution otherwise comparable to great "actual novels".

If you are reading G-senjou no Maou, or Cross Channel, or Saya no Uta, for getting off, then you are doing it wrong.

In that case, how about you suggest me the most accessible "VN with porn in it" to a guy whos not especially fond of anime storytelling and tropes. Preferably not a terribly long one, or atleast one that starts out strong. I promise I'll give it a fair chance.

Katawa Shoujo would be one of the better and more easily-obtained examples.

Grey Carter:

A Weakgeek:

Entitled:

You were equalating all the VNs with porn in them, with the porn-centric VNs that have "laughingly terrible plot".

Like GabeZhul said, you generally read romantic visual novels with "porn" not because of the "porn" but because of the story itself is good.

The medium in general has this quirky tradition of sprinkling every single story with a few scenes of hardcore fucking, but there is still a large percentage of it that is in it's execution otherwise comparable to great "actual novels".

If you are reading G-senjou no Maou, or Cross Channel, or Saya no Uta, for getting off, then you are doing it wrong.

In that case, how about you suggest me the most accessible "VN with porn in it" to a guy whos not especially fond of anime storytelling and tropes. Preferably not a terribly long one, or atleast one that starts out strong. I promise I'll give it a fair chance.

Katawa Shoujo would be one of the better and more easily-obtained examples.

Fair enough, Ive actually heard of that one.

Willing to take suggestions for a less known ones aswell, obtainability is not a problem.

vun:

The Gentleman:
For the record, that book (50 Shades of Gray, and yes, I know that the title is something else, but let's be honest as to what it's referring to) is terrible. Like the original work the fanfic was based on (Twilight), it teaches extremely dangerous practices in a D/s relationship to the point that a sizable part of the BDSM community has read it to teach newcomers what not to do that they may have in mind.

And, uhh, obligatory, I don't eat ice cream when I watch porn or a porn derivative (such as a proper visual novel). You need both hands free... to work the keyboard and mouse.

Classy...

Well now you've made me want to read the book just as a "what-not-to-do" manual. Still not going to read it, but now I want to.

I'd recommend finding one of TeamFourStar's readings of the book. They are hilarious.

SonicWaffle:
I thought 50 Shades had it's primary market with older women, hence the term "mummy porn", which was quite upsetting when I discovered it didn't involve a man covered in bandages punishing the naughty ladies who broke into his tomb.

Are middle-aged mothers incapable of sustaining normal human relationships, according to this comic?

My mom tried to read it and hated the damn thing so much. I don't even think she took it back. I think she just threw it out. And the only people I have ever heard of reading it were younger women...

Nice of you to try to be charitable by putting 50 Shades Of Grey on the same level as a trite eroge, but come on, it's 50 Shades Of Grey we're talking about here. I'm not sure I could find words to describe the massive karmic bomb willfully seeking out and reading that book is. It's like, if you read it just to mock it for how terrible it is, you're still committing an act roughly equivalent to taking a photograph of a drowning kitten.

A Weakgeek:

In that case, how about you suggest me the most accessible "VN with porn in it" to a guy whos not especially fond of anime storytelling and tropes. Preferably not a terribly long one, or atleast one that starts out strong. I promise I'll give it a fair chance.

Quite a few unfortunate criteria, given that VNs *ARE* Japanese-written and one of the default source materials for anime adaptations, and they are usually longer than ordinary novels.

Katawa Shoujo itself is western-written, but it intentionally follows the medium's Japanese tropes (takes place in Japan, is about romance and high school life), though the details of it's writing style still has some sublter westernisms.

Saya no Uta is relatively short. It's a Lovecraftian horror story. Warning, the few sex scenes that it does have are... disturbing (intentionally so).

Fate/Stay Night is long, and has a very slow start, but overall one of the greater stories. It's about a Battle Royale of seven mages summoning the spirits of seven historical and mythological heroes to fight for gaining the Holy Grail.

ef - a fairy tale of the two: This one is another high school romance, but I'm particularly fond of it because of it's production vaues, music, and grand melodrama.

And anyways, my overall point is not really that I'm vouching for either of these, all of them have very good reasons not to be liked by everyone, especially if you don't like japanese storytelling, but at the very least I can be vouching that they are as good as some of the best porn-free VNs, such as Ever17, Clannad, Higurashi, or Steins;Gate, and which ones of them have porn scenes is a very faulty rule of thumb of whether their story can be good, with that you will end up getting a pretty much randomized result.

knight steel:

Flaery:

knight steel:

Excuse doesn't Shota refer to prepubescent boys presented in a sexual situations?-
Both Cory and Grey are adults so why are you calling them that?

OP:Yay I love me My Anime/Manga references-Thanks for the laugh :D

Read the small black text just below the first panel.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh I see.............................so....................Grey and Cory view themselves as sexy children X_X

C'mon guys, no Ashcorp fans? >_< The bottom text refers to this song. http://youtu.be/4nyHPIcbn88?t=1m26s

fugbar:

knight steel:

Flaery:

Read the small black text just below the first panel.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh I see.............................so....................Grey and Cory view themselves as sexy children X_X

C'mon guys, no Ashcorp fans? >_< The bottom text refers to this song. http://youtu.be/4nyHPIcbn88?t=1m26s

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh I see.....................Thats a weird song O_o

Chrono212:
Is the comic implying that Erin doesn't already run a ninja clan/pop band?

For shame.

publicly >.> *shush* no ones supposed to know

vun:

The Gentleman:
For the record, that book (50 Shades of Gray, and yes, I know that the title is something else, but let's be honest as to what it's referring to) is terrible. Like the original work the fanfic was based on (Twilight), it teaches extremely dangerous practices in a D/s relationship to the point that a sizable part of the BDSM community has read it to teach newcomers what not to do that they may have in mind.

And, uhh, obligatory, I don't eat ice cream when I watch porn or a porn derivative (such as a proper visual novel). You need both hands free... to work the keyboard and mouse.

Classy...

Well now you've made me want to read the book just as a "what-not-to-do" manual. Still not going to read it, but now I want to.

Well, allow me to put it this way:

"Story of O" by Pauline Réage is a proper take on softcore BDSM literature. The character of O is selected to be part of a reclusive community that shacks at a French château about once a month. For a week, the women are required to wear nothing but a red cloak, while the initiates have to spend their first week wearing an especially designed buttplug (yes). Past that, you're given detailed descriptions of what's going on between O and her main partner of the week, but you get the sense that she VOLUNTEERED for this, and that outside of that one week per month, she's a well-rounded career woman. She's essentially someone who has enough money and self-confidence to slip into a wholly submissive role, in order to get her jollies.

In opposition to that, you've got Anastasia Steele. She's completely subsumed by Christian Gray, has no real sense of Self when he's around, and merely kowtows to his every wish because, hey, he's just *that* drop-dead gorgeous. Who needs mutual consent when actual forceful detention is so much hotter, right?

What started out as an awful Harry Potter fanfic became an awful Story of O rip-off, and it clearly shows that the author has no real concept of what a decent sub/dom relationship implies. Trust is a major thing, honestly, as is the participants' continued ability to play it safe. "Shades" does away with consent and safety, because outright peril is apparently kinky to some. Go fig.

Perhaps it's because dating syms are meant to be dating syms, and their inherent sillyness plus obvious softporn purpose make them, well, justifiable.
But a book's a book. When I think "novel", I am not expecting a narrative that's worse than a friggin' dating sym.

Solo-Wing:
Ha I can't believe Erin reads that crap. Now excuse me while I go back to Katawa Shoujo. I love my sweet Hanako~It's not the same shut up.

hickwarrior:

Solo-Wing:
Ha I can't believe Erin reads that crap. Now excuse me while I go back to Katawa Shoujo. I love my sweet Hanako~It's not the same shut up.

I think I know how you feel there. Though I'd rather go with Lily myself. Don't look at me like that...

Also, I think katawa shoujo is more of a romance novel than FSOG, but only based on what team four star has read out loud.

I preferred Shizune myself; must be the glasses or that she's kind of a dom.

Oh Escapist, the same website who loves Katawa Shoujo so much they wrote three articles about how amazing it is and everyone should play it, now jokingly ridicule the same audience they once persuaded. I actually didn't even know what a visual novel was before the Escapist recommendation, so I'm actually thankful and amused at the same time, because some visual novels are damn good, and I'll never forget Katawa Shoujo for introducing me to the medium.

I guess I felt rather sad that an ultimately boring book adapted from vampire fan fiction can actually reach mega popularity and acceptance in Western culture, whereas even the visual novels that are extremely well written, emotional and thought provoking still get lumped with the more 'extreme' examples OK I admit it I really enjoyed playing through the School Days VN and are labelled as outright pornographic. When it's OK for western films to have sex scenes and nudity, but VNs like Kanon are classed as pornographic for having a total roughly 18 sexual images, something just isn't right.

Talaris:
Oh Escapist, the same website who loves Katawa Shoujo so much they wrote three articles about how amazing it is and everyone should play it, now jokingly ridicule the same audience they once persuaded. I actually didn't even know what a visual novel was before the Escapist recommendation, so I'm actually thankful and amused at the same time, because some visual novels are damn good, and I'll never forget Katawa Shoujo for introducing me to the medium.

I guess I felt rather sad that an ultimately boring book adapted from vampire fan fiction can actually reach mega popularity and acceptance in Western culture, whereas even the visual novels that are extremely well written, emotional and thought provoking still get lumped with the more 'extreme' examples OK I admit it I really enjoyed playing through the School Days VN and are labelled as outright pornographic. When it's OK for western films to have sex scenes and nudity, but VNs like Kanon are classed as pornographic for having a total roughly 18 sexual images, something just isn't right.

Less ridicule, more like point out the hypocrisy of the general attitude. Yes, Katawa Shoujo is an excellent visual novel with a strong, singular narrative after have decided which of the romance options is most interesting. The art is wonderful, the music at times is incredible. Were you to adapt it into a series of 'What If' novels, I am certain it would blow shit like 50 Shades out of the water.

However, just as not all romance novels are 50 Shades, not all visual novels are Katawa Shoujo. For everyone where there is a deep and abiding romance, there are about ten or twenty that aren't and for many reasons just plain suck, have too much cultural nuance we won't understand or skirt the line into what by and large we feel to be unacceptable.

That said, I hope to see more VN's come out with the same calibre of actual adult romance (read: not just fucking) and less insane bullshit because Katawa Shoujo exists.

And Shizune FTW!

Talaris:
When it's OK for western films to have sex scenes and nudity, but VNs like Kanon are classed as pornographic for having a total roughly 18 sexual images, something just isn't right.

Well to be fair, VNs with sex scenes *ARE* pornographic.

Katawa Shoujo is pretty much the only one that tried to stay within the boundaries of tasteful erotica, but about everything else, no matter how great the story is, and how elaborate it's non-sex-related plot is, will feature some hardcore fucking with on-screen coitus, gallons of cum, and pages of moaning (usually with voice acting!), overall directly following the art styles of typical hentai manga.

Game of Thrones has it's sex scenes. G-senjou no Maou has it's porn scenes, even if it has half as many of them, with a lot less narrative emphasis.

Talaris:
Oh Escapist, the same website who loves Katawa Shoujo so much they wrote three articles about how amazing it is and everyone should play it, now jokingly ridicule the same audience they once persuaded.

You do realize "The Escapist" is a collection of individuals, yes? Not one person.

Talaris:
Oh Escapist, the same website who loves Katawa Shoujo so much they wrote three articles about how amazing it is and everyone should play it, now jokingly ridicule the same audience they once persuaded.

Big surprise, content creators aren't a giant hivemind with all agreeing opinions.

EDIT: Well shit, the guy who helped make this said the same thing to you. Whoops, didn't need to add to that.

My bad.

Grey Carter:

Talaris:
Oh Escapist, the same website who loves Katawa Shoujo so much they wrote three articles about how amazing it is and everyone should play it, now jokingly ridicule the same audience they once persuaded.

You do realize "The Escapist" is a collection of individuals, yes? Not one person.

I don't believe it. Not until I see the autopsy results, and the autopsy results of the clinician that preformed them.

Just to be on the safe side.

Grey Carter:

Talaris:
Oh Escapist, the same website who loves Katawa Shoujo so much they wrote three articles about how amazing it is and everyone should play it, now jokingly ridicule the same audience they once persuaded.

You do realize "The Escapist" is a collection of individuals, yes? Not one person.

Bullshit. I am quite certain that "The Escapist" is a collection of letters, not people.

Grey Carter:

Talaris:
Oh Escapist, the same website who loves Katawa Shoujo so much they wrote three articles about how amazing it is and everyone should play it, now jokingly ridicule the same audience they once persuaded.

You do realize "The Escapist" is a collection of individuals, yes? Not one person.

Do you realise I wasn't being serious with this bit in my post, right? As I mentioned in the next sentence, I simply find it amusing that within the same site that showed me how good the medium was, it can also poke fun at it.

Don't worry I know your strips are satirical, I have to admit I found myself laughing at your original Katawa Shoujo strip.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/9372-Ani-Chan

Hell your little recommendation at the bottom even helped persuade me to play it.

BX3:

Grey Carter:

Talaris:
Oh Escapist, the same website who loves Katawa Shoujo so much they wrote three articles about how amazing it is and everyone should play it, now jokingly ridicule the same audience they once persuaded.

You do realize "The Escapist" is a collection of individuals, yes? Not one person.

Bullshit. I am quite certain that "The Escapist" is a collection of letters, not people.

I don't know if it's my addled state of mind, but that made me laugh.

Anyhow, speaking as someone who is incapable of a normal human relationship, 50 Shades of anything is not my cup of tea. Nor is anything like it.

Talaris:

Grey Carter:

Talaris:
Oh Escapist, the same website who loves Katawa Shoujo so much they wrote three articles about how amazing it is and everyone should play it, now jokingly ridicule the same audience they once persuaded.

You do realize "The Escapist" is a collection of individuals, yes? Not one person.

Do you realise I wasn't being serious with this bit in my post, right? As I mentioned in the next sentence, I simply find it amusing that within the same site that showed me how good the medium was, it can also poke fun at it.

Don't worry I know your strips are satirical, I have to admit I found myself laughing at your original Katawa Shoujo strip.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/9372-Ani-Chan

Hell your little recommendation at the bottom even helped persuade me to play it.

Ah. Sorry, my bad.

Grey Carter:
Removing One's Rocks

Actually, no. Not a better love story than Twilight.

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Irony. You're soaking in it! XD

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