A Comic About Breasts

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Irridium:

TheDrunkNinja:

citrusfr00t:
You guys need to stop

You guys are really

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milking these breast jokes

Why? Do you think these jokes are a complete...

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... bust?

Alright, that's enough. Looks like I'll have to

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nip this in the bud.

You can try but one of them will always...

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Slip out.

How accurate is this joke?

No, I'm not going to buy this game if it features lots of breasts. I can see all the on-screen breasts I want at work.

0_0 Good lord! xD All the boob jokes in this thread!

The Escapist was preparing for this for a while I see.

This is why I will be playing the game with friends.

an annoyed writer:
So in this comic, we learn that "elves" is a mistranslation, and in reality it's actually "shelves". Shelves specifically for our nice big boobs, apparently. Thanks internet, I will find an elf to rest by boobs on immediately!

Didn't you get the memo? 'Shelving' is the new 'tea-bagging'!

Ragsnstitches:

Andy Shandy:
Does the Sorceress really need to use magic to defeat enemies?

With...assets like that I'm pretty sure they could kill most folk just by clubbing the enemies to death with them.

There is a gif that comes to mind with that thought... not safe to post here though :/

Now I have to see this GIF that must not be named!

But I am confused. Does the Sorceress's massive mammaries distract away from her abilities in the game, or is that her only selling point for playing as her?

rjdjones:
I just walked past someone cycling who had breasts as big as the sorceress and ... Gasp .. Had a top that was so low cut she was practically resting them on the handlebars - quick - call the sexist oppression police and tell her she's doing it wrong. Think of the children. The chiiiiiilllllddddrrreeennnn.

I totally read that last part in Helen Lovejoy's voice (I have a lot of voices in my head; I should have those checked out). I'm all for a woman's right to show off her bod how she chooses, and I know staring is rude and creepy, but would be just as rude to not look at all?

IceForce:
I guess the elf is not the breast character to play as...

I see what you did thar... very funny indeed.

I guess you know the sorceress' breasts were parody when the webcomic making fun of them draw them smaller than they are instead of larger. And they still look huge.

StormShaun:

... this topic is really reminding me of Highschool of the Dead's Matrix Boobs scene. =_=

That's a hilarious scene!

1337mokro:

Irridium:

TheDrunkNinja:

Why? Do you think these jokes are a complete...

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... bust?

Alright, that's enough. Looks like I'll have to

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nip this in the bud.

You can try but one of them will always...

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Slip out.

*Looks at the mass quote pyramids above*

THIS IS WHY I LOVE THE ESCAPIST FORUMS!!

You guys are really

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racking up the puns.

timenchange11:
If you guys don't think the elf is sexualized, you don't know Japan.

dfc

I was actually gonna comment on the same thing. In japanese anime culture in these type of things there's always a short breasted female character and she is treated as a sex tool as much as any other character. She is basically there for the loli fans.

warmachine:
How accurate is this joke?

No, I'm not going to buy this game if it features lots of breasts. I can see all the on-screen breasts I want at work.

The sorceress is WAY overrepresented in the gameplay videos I've seen so far. She's basically the Ken of Dragon's Crown.

...and so nobody mentions the twerktastic Amazon

*walks into the thread to see all the insightful things people have to say about this strip*
*Sees a large Horatio gif tower snowball while scrolling down*

How
Why

OT: And here I thought this comic was going to have something to do with Erin eating chicken. Way to prove me wrong and still deliver.

Nile McMorrow:
Looks like Necromancy is certainly popular amongst the players of Dragon's Crown.

Because it revives dead body-image ideals from the days of early puberty :D

Ulquiorra4sama:

Nile McMorrow:
Looks like Necromancy is certainly popular amongst the players of Dragon's Crown.

Because it revives dead body-image ideals from the days of early puberty :D

I must have really been messed up. I just kept thinking that I need to get muscles to have women like me like AC Slater had in Saved By the Bell.

And not for nothing, but girls were pretty average size in the 80's. Thank God for Force Fed Hormones in our food!

What I think is ridiculous about every discussion about the game is that everyone points out at the Sorceress and casually say "this is misogynist". Except it is a game that is at the same time parodying and playing up fantasy tropes, most of all the "heroic aesthetic" of Conan or fantasy staples. The Fighter isn't simply a warrior, he is tall, strong and covered in a ridiculous tonnage of armor. The dwarf is a complete muscle fetishist from head to toe. The sorceress is the embodiment of the buxom witch (heck, she has her top on, unlike actual buxom witches in heroic fantasy). The Amazon draws from godamn GREEK ideals of athleticism. The Elf's build denotes nimbleness. My only problem is the mage. Going all out on the fantasy tropes would mean him to be the bearded "Gandalf type", but since they're playing to youth as a heroic ideal... it is more your manga-style wizard, cool and brooding. ugh.

So they have two female overly sexualized characters and two male overly sexualized characters all withing the heroic aesthetic. As far as designs goes, that seem fair to me. The three females have radically different body types, which I recall was one of the problems with this kind of sexualization. That's certainly better than most (well, pretty much all) fighting games.

I haven't played the game. I'm still waiting for any conclusive feel of how the game is before I make this decision and even then I'm not running to buy on the spot. Maybe the game is entirely about the Sorceress getting into porn situation and every word out of her mouth is a blowjob euphemism. It doesn't matter. Aesthetically, I see no problem. In fact, aesthetically, I find the elf prettier because I favor small breasts (and even then there's nothing on this world that'd steer me from playing the mage if I ever play this game), and I'm sure the same is true for a lot of women about the mage. If the game then goes on to be misogynist on a narrative level it is a complete different problem. Unless, maybe, while still following the same fantasy tropes, but only if they keep the same fairness and the women have the same sexual opportunities or fall into the same sexual situation as the men.

Ishal:
After read Grey's twitter I figured we'd be getting one of these soon. I forgot that the elf was the most proportioned one of all the characters. Is it even a fun game, should I check it out? I hear Odin's Sphere was cool with some neat artwork.

Check the review section. Escapist covered it just recently, and thankfully it doesn't dwell on the whole boobage scene. Like all Vanillaware games, the scenery was breathtaking.

SandroTheMaster:
What I think is ridiculous about every discussion about the game is that everyone points out at the Sorceress and casually say "this is misogynist". Except it is a game that is at the same time parodying and playing up fantasy tropes, most of all the "heroic aesthetic" of Conan or fantasy staples. The Fighter isn't simply a warrior, he is tall, strong and covered in a ridiculous tonnage of armor. The dwarf is a complete muscle fetishist from head to toe. The sorceress is the embodiment of the buxom witch (heck, she has her top on, unlike actual buxom witches in heroic fantasy). The Amazon draws from godamn GREEK ideals of athleticism. The Elf's build denotes nimbleness. My only problem is the mage. Going all out on the fantasy tropes would mean him to be the bearded "Gandalf type", but since they're playing to youth as a heroic ideal... it is more your manga-style wizard, cool and brooding. ugh.

I shouldn't need to explain that the male characters are NOT sexualized. They're idealized as part of a male power fantasy. THEY ARE NOT designed to appeal to women. There are plenty of reasons to defend Dragon's Crown's stylistic choices, chief amongst them being the awesome technical prowess of the Vanillaware art team, but the whole "the men are sexualized too!" argument is bullshit and you know it.

As for the Amazon drawing from Greek ideals, debatable. The ideal greek form had wide hips (check), defined musculature (check), correct fat proportions (nope) and small breasts (hell to the fucking nope). I personally adore the design, it's exaggerated to the point of freakishness, which I like, but I can see why others take issue.

Finally. No one is calling the game misogynist. They ARE calling it "sexist." Which is a fair cop, the game's female characters are treated differently from the male characters, just look at the poses. You can argue that this is because the game is drawing from sexist influences (Frazetta et al) and recognizing these influences is good, but it doesn't make the final product any less sexist.

You know, I was not sure who I was going to play. Now it is either Sorceress or Amazon.

I always find it funny how games must have freedom of expression and how they don't encourage or makes us insensitive to violence and how they depic FANTASTIC situations.

But goddamn if it is a male fantasy envisioned by the artist (which is different from the producers demanding it for marketing). How dare they express their desires?! Surely the game will fabricate rapists and pigs.

I am not against gender neutral games or female fantasy games. I think we should have more of them because there isn't enough of them. What pisses me off is all the name calling (sexistsexistsexistsexist) that is a form of censoring through shame.

With that being said, I found the character designs to be silly to the point that is a PARODY of male fantasy. How exactly the fighter and the dwarf uphold their torsos in such tiny legs? And how many steroids they have eaten?

Yeah, I fully expect the sorceress to be common in multiplayer for assorted reasons. Sadly(?), I'll prolly be one of them. I like boobs, and feel no shame in that, but I like necromancy, too. I'm interested in how the game will handle it.
Doesn't mean I won't diversify my playing, but I'll want to be a potent sorceress first.

Awesome comic series, by the way. I've been a mostly silent fan for a long time.

rjdjones:
I just walked past someone cycling who had breasts as big as the sorceress and ... Gasp .. Had a top that was so low cut she was practically resting them on the handlebars - quick - call the sexist oppression police and tell her she's doing it wrong. Think of the children. The chiiiiiilllllddddrrreeennnn.

Screenshot or it didn't happen. Kidding. Kidding.

You have made an excellent point here. Big boobs (both real and artificial) do exist. Does the creator of said large boobs (be he/she real or artiifical) deserve criticism? If so, all big-breast-hating critics please turn to your God, evolution or a plastic surgeon with your sternly waggling fingers! Do it for (and I quote) "The chiiiiiilllllddddrrreeennnn."

I like to think of "evolution" as a "she".

It's kinda funny to me that if you draw a sorceress with giant breasts, it is sexist. If you draw her with giant feet, it is received as just bad art. Well, I guess somewhere out in the foot fetish community, it would be received as sexist. Unless you drew the men with really big feet too.

ON TOPIC: Hillarious comic. Very true. Nicely drawn boobs. I'm not at all outraged at how big you drew them. I should proably be furious at the lack of feet.

StormShaun:
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I agree. The game would catch my interest, and I would love to give it a try... However, I too am brushed off by the girl's having oversized breasts. I am not going to rage or anything, but really it sort of ruins the immersion and reasonable gameplay. How can I pick a sorcerer class knowing that my class has to be a girl who's chest is hanging over and jiggles like ever second they do anything. See, I have a lot of respect for women (plus I have a girlfriend) so it makes me uncomfortable.

The elf girl, because she looks normal is someone I can play with surely. Sadly, it's only the elf girl because even the guys are way to buff making me roll my eyes feeling like a bunch of teens wanted to buff their characters to feel masculine. Come on now lol. This comic proves our statements.

an annoyed writer:
So in this comic, we learn that "elves" is a mistranslation, and in reality it's actually "shelves". Shelves specifically for our nice big boobs, apparently. Thanks internet, I will find an elf to rest by boobs on immediately!

Yep, actually its in the dictionary!

Elves: See Shelves.

Shelves:
1) A flat surface for which to lay heavy things upon
2) An elf, see above.

Grey Carter:

I shouldn't need to explain that the male characters are NOT sexualized. They're idealized as part of a male power fantasy. THEY ARE NOT designed to appeal to women. There are plenty of reasons to defend Dragon's Crown's stylistic choices, chief amongst them being the awesome technical prowess of the Vanillaware art team, but the whole "the men are sexualized too!" argument is bullshit and you know it.

As for the Amazon drawing from Greek ideals, debatable. The ideal greek form had wide hips (check), defined musculature (check), correct fat proportions (nope) and small breasts (hell to the fucking nope). I personally adore the design, it's exaggerated to the point of freakishness, which I like, but I can see why others take issue.

Finally. No one is calling the game misogynist. They ARE calling it "sexist." Which is a fair cop, the game's female characters are treated differently from the male characters, just look at the poses. You can argue that this is because the game is drawing from sexist influences (Frazetta et al) and recognizing these influences is good, but it doesn't make the final product any less sexist.

The whole discussion around this game has really made my brain hurt. Not to mention my sister showed me that 'Hawkeye Initiative' and I just watched 'Redline' which added to the chain of reasoning in what i'm about to spew.

I agree it's not fair to hold different people to different standards, arguing that female characters can't be in leading roles because reasons and that any weird or outlandish female character designs need to be honed in to be more appealing is 10 levels of bullshit but if thats what an artist likes doing, is it really right to tell them otherwise?

I LIKE female characters with some actual bloody character, who arn't just 'the supporting role' and get just as many punches in as the guys but not everyone likes to make that sort of art. I just watched 'Redline' and loved it, it was campy/cheesy and all sorts of old school shounen fun but I know if my sister watched it all she'd see is that at the end of the movie Sonoshee is sitting on JP's lap, and she'd be right in saying that.

The same goes for the 'Hawkeye Initiative', I don't mind when guys get sexulised and I mean actually sexulised, i'm talking Free! here, image
The 'Hawkeye Initiative' is stupidly funny to see but I do think it's a little misguilded. Comics are in the mainstream now and theres no problem with asking for more from a medium but asking an artist to make changes to his/her style seems counter productive. Its the design commities, testers and 'guys in suits' I have an issue with, as hipster-y as that sounds. Which is kind of stupid because I also understand its just part of buisness... I don't know.

Basically I think artists should just do what they want, and if you don't like it then it's just not for you. If an artist is willing to change it up a little for a new audience then great, if not move on.

I like you two on Critical Miss, you draw what you want and don't scared of anybody! Something I would like to see from all artists, even if the extent of that is drawing big ol'boobies.

I think it's funny that the elf is the only character that actually looks human.

rjdjones:
I just walked past someone cycling who had breasts as big as the sorceress and ... Gasp .. Had a top that was so low cut she was practically resting them on the handlebars - quick - call the sexist oppression police and tell her she's doing it wrong. Think of the children. The chiiiiiilllllddddrrreeennnn.

Better yet, call a spinal surgeon so we can get that poor woman some help. Then perhaps a mammoplasty so she can live a normal life.

gummibear76:

1337mokro:

Irridium:

Alright, that's enough. Looks like I'll have to

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nip this in the bud.

You can try but one of them will always...

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Slip out.

*Looks at the mass quote pyramids above*

THIS IS WHY I LOVE THE ESCAPIST FORUMS!!

You guys are really

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racking up the puns.

We're lucky most of these puns are

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...hooters.

Headsprouter:

gummibear76:

1337mokro:

You can try but one of them will always...

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Slip out.

*Looks at the mass quote pyramids above*

THIS IS WHY I LOVE THE ESCAPIST FORUMS!!

You guys are really

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racking up the puns.

We're lucky most of these puns are

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...hooters.

This game looks like
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...bags of fun

I.Muir:

Headsprouter:

gummibear76:

*Looks at the mass quote pyramids above*

THIS IS WHY I LOVE THE ESCAPIST FORUMS!!

You guys are really

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racking up the puns.

We're lucky most of these puns are

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...hooters.

This game looks like
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...bags of fun

I'm posting again, because puns are

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...my "main squeeze".

EDIT: For the sake of a smooth pun train-ride...

Headsprouter:

I.Muir:

Headsprouter:

We're lucky most of these puns are

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...hooters.

This game looks like
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...bags of fun

I'm posting again, because puns are

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...my "main squeeze".

It's always fun whenever someone...

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... implants a bit of humor in a thread.

Biodeamon:

TheDrunkNinja:
I imagine it will be quite hard for Erin to ever forget...

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... the mammaries of this game.

I'm posting again, because puns are

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...my "main squeeze".

Is it just me... or is it a bit
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nippy here

I.Muir:

Biodeamon:

TheDrunkNinja:
I imagine it will be quite hard for Erin to ever forget...

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... the mammaries of this game.

I'm posting again, because puns are

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...my "main squeeze".

Is it just me... or is it a bit
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nippy here

I find this strip to be quite

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...titillating.

TheSYLOH:
Those breast better have a reflect damage chance.
Or at least high damage reduction.

Let me tell you a story:

I was playing Tomb Raider 3. I had no health kits left and was low on health. Happily, I stumbled into a secret area under the Indian temple. Moments later, I had sideflipped out of the way of a boulder, ducked under a dart trap and swan-dived over a hazardous tile. And there it was: a health pack! I walked over to it, but as I walked, I got a surprise nipple piercing by a poison dart and died.

Yep. If Lara Croft had even D cups, she would have lived. She was killed by her famous boobs.

OT: I get the feeling that this comic is depressingly accurate.

Ironically the sorceress and all the people complaining about her IS what made me aware of the game. Upon seeing actual gameplay videos however I became interested in actually getting it. It seems like a very fun looking hacky slashy co-op throwback to me so it sucks I can't get it on PC given that's the only platform I game on atm. My PS3 and 360 are just CHUNKY with dust lol.

Grey Carter:
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I shouldn't need to explain that the male characters are NOT sexualized. They're idealized as part of a male power fantasy. THEY ARE NOT designed to appeal to women. There are plenty of reasons to defend Dragon's Crown's stylistic choices, chief amongst them being the awesome technical prowess of the Vanillaware art team, but the whole "the men are sexualized too!" argument is bullshit and you know it.

As for the Amazon drawing from Greek ideals, debatable. The ideal greek form had wide hips (check), defined musculature (check), correct fat proportions (nope) and small breasts (hell to the fucking nope). I personally adore the design, it's exaggerated to the point of freakishness, which I like, but I can see why others take issue.

Finally. No one is calling the game misogynist. They ARE calling it "sexist." Which is a fair cop, the game's female characters are treated differently from the male characters, just look at the poses. You can argue that this is because the game is drawing from sexist influences (Frazetta et al) and recognizing these influences is good, but it doesn't make the final product any less sexist.

You're really going to tell me the Wizard isn't sexualized (which surprisingly hasn't been brought up a lot in discussions like this, or the elf (total loli character w/ zettai ryouiki and all))? He's the perfect mold for that. A pale, brooding, physically weak bishi? That is Loki to a tee, who is apparently creamed over by girls a lot. And they don't expose a lot of skin to be attractive either.

yet.

timenchange11:

Grey Carter:
[quote]

I shouldn't need to explain that the male characters are NOT sexualized. They're idealized as part of a male power fantasy. THEY ARE NOT designed to appeal to women. There are plenty of reasons to defend Dragon's Crown's stylistic choices, chief amongst them being the awesome technical prowess of the Vanillaware art team, but the whole "the men are sexualized too!" argument is bullshit and you know it.

As for the Amazon drawing from Greek ideals, debatable. The ideal greek form had wide hips (check), defined musculature (check), correct fat proportions (nope) and small breasts (hell to the fucking nope). I personally adore the design, it's exaggerated to the point of freakishness, which I like, but I can see why others take issue.

Finally. No one is calling the game misogynist. They ARE calling it "sexist." Which is a fair cop, the game's female characters are treated differently from the male characters, just look at the poses. You can argue that this is because the game is drawing from sexist influences (Frazetta et al) and recognizing these influences is good, but it doesn't make the final product any less sexist.

You're really going to tell me the Wizard isn't sexualized (which surprisingly hasn't been brought up a lot in discussions like this, or the elf (total loli character w/ zettai ryouiki and all))? He's the perfect mold for that. A pale, brooding, physically weak bishi? That is Loki to a tee, who is apparently creamed over by girls a lot. And they don't expose a lot of skin to be attractive either.

yet.

The Wizard? Sexualized for who? This is a guy who's got many physical traits of Sephiroth, short of the big sword, and less bondage gear/leather. Sephiroth, a person who still inspires guys to name their characters after him to this day when given the chance. Sephiroth, despite being the badguy is, amazingly, still popular among guys.
He's also the stereotypical wizard, short of appearing young enough to not be hunched over, and covered in wrinkles. Long gray hair, lots of cloth on, not physically imposing. He's not exactly tall, dark, and mysterious. Not sure Brooding fits. He's dressed a bit too brightly under that cloak for brooding.
He's not as extreme of a stereotype as the Dwarf, or the armored guy to say the least. Likely for aesthetics.

Kinda funny that the Sorceress was designed to go against typical Necromancer portrayals being old, crusty guys, but the Wizard didn't get that sort of attention that I know of. Again, this is likely for aesthetics.

And I don't think it ever really fails that a game has the pretty boy of the group. At least with games from Japan. A lot of the sentai/team tropes exists still from old sentai days. I don't think the Wizard is really a bone thrown to the female gamers so much as to fill the pretty boy/bishi slot of the team that seems obligatory. I don't think he's sexualized, more than there to look cool. And, men, and women alike, we all want to play a protagonist we think is cool, don't we?

Sure some people, both men, and women might be attracted to him, but, well, he's not being talked about much, is he?
I'm not sure what we'd talk about with that guy. He seems kinda bland, and normal. I mean the Amazon, and Sorceress get the most attention, one for exemplifying a woman's lower body strength, and the other for representatives of life, though most just see "BOOBS!"
I guess the Wizard looking normal is what we're supposed to talk about much like the Elf gets talked about despite her competition. She also is more or less the steretypical elf ranger, but a girl.

Lets not forget that 1/3 the guys seem sexualized, even according to you.
3/3 of the women are sexualized. The Amazon has butt jiggle for crying out loud. All 3 women are deseigned to appeal to guys, in the end.

And the Wizard is -not- Loki to a tee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl30aEahlIU
This video breaks it down pretty well. Women generally want something deeper than the surface, and the Wizard barely stacks up, IMO.

Moreover, I really doubt the Wizard was modeled after Loki. I don't think anyone was really swooning over Loki before that movie either.

Zachary Amaranth:

TheSYLOH:
Those breast better have a reflect damage chance.
Or at least high damage reduction.

I think boobs generally have the opposite effect.

They also aren't generally that big.
My theory is that they are made of some kind of light weight composite material.

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