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...I don't get it. I should care about racism towards mythical races that don't actually exist, because...?

Holy shit. The White Dude Defense Force is out in force today. Retreat, my satirist minions.

Hey man I get it's just a joke but people on this thread sound legitimately riled up over the racial profiling of a dwarf and an elf lol

Ruisu:
Wow. Now Dragon's Crown is racist. Guess I'll go get my popcorn...

Anyway, sometimes it really feels like people are eagerly looking for little details to complain about in games. That's not really a problem when you're (supposedly) just making fun of it, but then there are those that just have to consider it a big deal.

Personally, I'm kind of happy about it. First of all, it distracts from the boobage discussion. Second of all, it reinforces the idea that the designers were just lovingly drawing from traditional fantasy commonalities. I remember seeing the exact same apparent racism in Dungeons and Dragons: Shadow Over Mystara. Since there aren't any elves or dwarves to complain about it, we just accept it.

Grey Carter:

Covarr:
I bet a dwarf raised by elves would act like an elf.

P.S. Thanks

and how would that Elf act, MR. RACIST?

Like Mexicans, because why not

P.S. Thanks

Grey Carter:
Holy shit. The White Dude Defense Force is out in force today. Retreat, my satirist minions.

But I am a "white dude". What do I have to fear from combating people in verbal debate who are trying to defend me?
Would they not just let me win/help me win the argument? ;D

Blood Brain Barrier:
When has an elf in a fantasy world had a profession anything other than the one who kills things with arrows? Same goes with the dwarf and axeing stuff into oblivion.

You might want to look up R. A. Salvatore's dark elf Drizzt Do'Urden. He is proficient with a bow, but his main mastery is that with a sword, such as scimitars. Though, if you do read his history, you'll come to know he is the youngest son of a weapon master. So he is proficient with most weapons and tactics.

OT: I remember Golden Axe so well. The human warrior was the physical damage dealer, the female warrior had the strongest magic attack and the dwarf was a decent all-around axe wielding badass. Too bad everything's become so...sooooooo...

Childish? Dunno if that's the right word to use but, if it isn't, it comes close.

Grey Carter:
and how would that Elf act, MR. RACIST?

Probably like an elf.

Dumb money-grubbing elves... Tried to elf me right out of my money.

Angelous Wang:

size15boot:

hazydawn:
I don't get it. I haven't played the game but isn't the dwarf another warrior and the elf the typical... dunno... ranged warrior, or rogue?

Enlighten me. Why is it racist? Because it can't be the dwarf who is doing magic?

Dude, it's because the rest of the characters are identified by their profession, not their race.

Exactly.

They should be called The Archer and The Berserker. But instead they went racist.

Archer I get, but we already have the Assazon...er Amazon for Berserker. Dwarf should have been The Grappler.

Actually Dragon's Crown isn't racist at all ... it's just anthropocentric.

triggrhappy94:
Once again proving that the Elf is a hundred times hotter than the Sorceress

Only if you can't handle a real woman. Amazon all the way.

Abomination:
I'm actually kind'a disappointed we have a wizard and an amazon. I would have thought a better roster would have been a cleric and a thief/rogue, maybe even a paladin instead of the Fighter.

Amazon, Fighter and Dwarf are all just redundant versions of each other. The elf is at least a hybrid.

Wait, I thought the Fighter (Armored dude with an inexplicably tiny head) was really a Paladin? Although in a large sense, in that game ALL the PC's are fighters, it's how they do it that sets them apart. The Elf shoots things with her bow ('cause that's how elves do) and the Dwarf chops stuff with his Axe. Wait again, the Amazon's weapon's a Poleaxe. I gotta figure out the logistics of this.

And the tropes of Tolkienian influence strike true once more.

Everyone go read Perdido Street Station now!

So, Fighter, Sorceress, Wizard... Elf and Dwarf. Well, the game was made by Humans, and seeing the way they treat women, they have a lot of issues to work through!

Sseth:
...I don't get it. I should care about racism towards mythical races that don't actually exist, because...?

I honestly don't see this as a racism issue. I think this fall more one the lines of cliche tropes and concepts withing the so called "fantasy" genre.

To be fair, it would be too much for video game makers to be making points on a matter so... Idk... so meta. In literary circles the subject has been approached with more focus but remember that literature is a medium with hundreds of years of history, development and academic study behind it... video games are not.

The stereo type of the warrior - mage - priest and the elf - dwarf - orc will, some day, be debated as video game makers start challenging the "traditional" take on the "fantasy" genre in games.

The funniest thing about this comic is the fighters body. Honestly, it looks like someone attached a melon to King Kong's shoulders.

Humans=Caucasians
Dwarves=Blacks
Elves=Asians

There that clears things up.

I can't handle all the political correctness! I need to just stop opening anything that has anything to do with Dragon's Crown.

RebelRising:
Honestly, the title for this strip just reminds me of how much I miss Doraleous & Associates.

Yes, I'm still bitter about that. Sue me.

You and me both. That's pretty much the only reason I clicked the link, to hurt myself more.

Yeah I never understood the naming of the characters...some are the professions (makes sense) and the others are just...races...? I mean they couldn't have called the Elf the Ranger/Hunter? Or the Dwarf as the...err...Warrior #2?

*head desk* so the game is sexist and racist now?

we sure its an actual thing or we just making things up at this point cause there's been nothing to really bitch about for a while.

cause that's what its starting to feel like.

amaranth_dru:
No. Race is biological subset, ethnicity is a cultural subset. Not the same thing.

Example: Race - Caucasian
Ethnicities - Irish, Welsh, German, French, Slovak, etc.

This is wrong.

Race is the term we incorrectly use for ethnicity.

Racism shouldn't be a word because we are all one race, humans, regardless of skin color.

Ethnicity is where those differences in our race play a role.

Caucasians are the ethnicity of those who originate from the Caucasus mountain range

Edit:

What you've claimed as being ethnicity is actually Nationality.

Richfeet:
Humans=Caucasians
Dwarves=Blacks
Elves=Asians

There that clears things up.

I want to make a joke... but I'm pretty sure I'd get in trouble for it.

Richfeet:
Humans=Caucasians
Dwarves=Blacks
Elves=Asians

There that clears things up.

That clears everything up, the game is racist! theres no Mexican class!!! , it should learn from southpark and include a Jew class also

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114776-South-Park-RPG-Class-List-Includes-the-Jew

BTW Don't you feel that we're missing a healer class?, Hoping for an expansion with my priestess.

Draconalis:
Race is the term we incorrectly use for ethnicity.

Actually, you're both right.

"Race" is a way of categorizing human beings according to perceived biological or essential differences. However, every assumption ever produced by race science has been widely debunked, so you're right in that most sane people now prefer the term ethnicity to the term race. The main difference is that, unlike race, ethnicity does not generally purport to be a physical scientific term, it describes how people are socially identified by their ancestry.

So basically..

We are one species, homo sapiens.

This species was at one point thought to be divided into a number of races determined by physiological and innate psychological characteristics.

However, very few of these characteristics turned out to actually exist, so instead we are divided into much more nuanced and local ethnic groups.

Racism is the (at this point very foolish) belief that races actually "exist" and that being part of a given race confers any kind of intrinsic meaning about who you are.

Most of the touchstones of fantasy were all written at a time when racism was still very much the majority position, and unfortunately while most fantasy writers were not maliciously hateful towards other races in their own personal lives, that simple fact does come out (just as it does in almost all media produced at the same time). The fact that we still identify elves and dwarves as "races" rather than "species" is an affectation which we've (perhaps unfortunately) forgotten the significance of.

evilthecat:
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I was taught that race and species were synonymous.

Draconalis:
I was taught that race and species were synonymous.

They're not.

Race science predates the idea of evolution as we understand it (some racial theories like the Hamitic hypothesis were explicitly grounded in Biblical creation).

As evolutionary theory took hold, there were attempts to classify the "races" as different species, heck at one point in that crazy post-Darwinian world the belief became popular among some sections of the scientific community that men and women were different species, but the vast majority of racists still accepted that there was one species, homo sapiens. Within that species were several races.

We have analogous things today, for example with dog breeds. A pug and great dane are both canis lupus and genetically are pretty much indistinguishable, but we see them as very different animals because they look different.

Grey Carter:

Evidently you're taking this about 100% more seriously than any rational person should, but I'm fascinated by the idea that knowingly making something sexist/racist somehow excuses the fact it's sexist/racist.

It depends. In this situation, we're talking about a game where males are just as sexualized as females and races are fantasy races that do not exist. I'll let you figure it out.

Cap'n! The autism levels are too high!

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We shouldn't have come!

(Can't resist giving the wasp nest a good prod, could you, lads?)

You know, for all the scrutiny and hate that Dragon Age 2 received, I think it did a fine job avoiding the whole "Elves shoot things and Dwarves smash things" generalization. Among other things.

OT: I'm really enjoying these Dragon's Crown strips.

I had fun reading this, but the first thought I had was that this was not really something new...

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So yeah.

How is a game racist?

Evil Smurf:
How is a game racist?

How is a game sexist?

Grey Carter:
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You know, in reading this again, I can't help but wonder who, and how many times some one actually asked 'what do the Dwarf and Elf do', and genuinely not know the answer due to knowing nothing about Dwarves or Elves.

DVS BSTrD:

The Hobbit and Narnia both had dwarf archers (in fact, in Narnia dwarfs were renowned for their archery). It's really hilarious how the stereotypes have gotten so locked in to archetypes that aren't even all that accurate to the sources it's all being based on.

Well to be fair physical attributes do play a role. Dwarves are by definition short, and even if they have great aim a regular sized person is going to be able to carry a bigger bow and thus shot further. Which is kinda the point of using a bow and arrow in the first place.[/quote]
You'd still find them using them. A bow and arrow is inherently advantageous. The fact that others might use them better is irrelevant. The English had great longbowmen, but other people still used bows. The advantage of being able to bring down a foe at range is too good to let a little factor (heh) like other people being naturally better stop you from trying.

Really though, it's academic. The point was to establish that the root sources of a lot of Fantasy actually have much more diverse representations of these classic races than those same races do now. Tolkein-esque fantasy is a term that gets used to describe fantasy that is usually way more confined, stereotypical, and often not terribly like the Middle Earth setting at all.

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