Zero Punctuation: Mario & Luigi: Dream Team

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Yahtzee Croshaw:
Mario & Luigi: Dream Team

This week, Zero Punctuation reviews Mario & Luigi: Dream Team.

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5:08 They did something like this in Video Game Reunion. He wanted to help others,be the good guy. He's a known criminal,but he gives to charity. He comments that all people ever see,or for that matter, WANT to see is the Bad Bowser; and that he's sick of it. He even shows a trailer for a project he's working on at the Q & A Panel. A summer camp for kids called Koopa Kids. Unsuprisingly, everyone laughs at him. And while I do think his sudden kidnapping of Peach near the end was somewhat contrived, I thought it was well done regardless. Not to mention his brief portrayal in "There Will Be Brawl"; a guy who couldn't stomach the fighting anymore,and became a Buddhist. His spiel before he sacrifices himself,I thoguht was good as well. 5:20 And if that's what passes for good (Luigi aside), then I'm following Bowser. 5:26 More than a feeeellling,more than a feeling. I think you're dreaminngg. XD Wonder when they'll start characterizing Mario the way they have Luigi.

Dragonbums:
I never really got the complaint about the whole holding hands thing.
I mean...I played FE for 12 hours straight and the only thing that hurt was my brain (which happens to everyone who plays games for too long per day)

Congratulations? All that means is you have hands that can hold on to it comfortably. However, as hands are not "one size fits all," it's quite possible to have it provide problems to a large body of people.

Myself, I don't really play long enough to have issues. I play a lot of burst gaming on portables. I remember getting cramps from certain console controllers, though.

The game isn't even out yet in America yet Yahtzee's reviewing it anyway instead of Pikmin 3? That's it, I'm thoroughly convinced he's biased again and wants the game to bomb before it even comes out. Oh wait, that's right, I'm convinced he's biased towards anything that isn't a PC now.

Yahtzee Croshaw:
This week, Zero Punctuation reviews Mario & Luigi: Dream Team.

I knew Garbeth Tinkertum, and you, sir, are no Garbeth Tinkertum.

LordTerminal:
The game isn't even out yet in America yet Yahtzee's reviewing it anyway instead of Pikmin 3? That's it, I'm thoroughly convinced he's biased again and wants the game to bomb before it even comes out. Oh wait, that's right, I'm convinced he's biased towards anything that isn't a PC now.

Well, alternatively he could be reviewing it as an insult to non-Australian viewers.

It's rare for him to get the opportunity to play a game before most of his audience. He actually even reviewed a JRPG in 2008 because it came out in Australia before most other countries.

Yeah, that whole "tilting the fucking thing that also has the screen you're trying to play the fucking game with" wasn't any good in Gravity Rush or LittleBigPlanet for PS Vita either. Just a tip to every developer ever: Keep your tilt nonsense on PS3 and Wii U. It's not any better of a control method when there are perfectly good analog sticks and buttons I could be using, but at least my TV stays in the same fixed place no matter what I do with the controller.

I mean if there's one thing I have to give the 360 credit for, it's not having any motion sensing bollocks built into its controller, meaning all of its games have to use proper input methods. Even the 3rd party ones that have motion sensing rubbish will be free of it on 360, ensuring probably the best version of the game unless they screw everything else up.

You know what the Wii Remote and PS Move are good for? Using the pointer bits for first person shooters, puzzle games, and strategy games (like Pikmin 3, for example). The motion stuff? Just get rid of it. And the 3DS and Vita don't have pointer abilities, just the motion stuff. So developers, please, stop fucking using it and get back to the damn sticks and buttons already.

LordTerminal:
The game isn't even out yet in America yet Yahtzee's reviewing it anyway instead of Pikmin 3? That's it, I'm thoroughly convinced he's biased again and wants the game to bomb before it even comes out. Oh wait, that's right, I'm convinced he's biased towards anything that isn't a PC now.

Mario and Luigi came out July 13. Pikmin 3 came out July 27 (both dates for Australia obviously). Guess which one he's had more time to play and review? Hint: not Pikmin 3.

I mean, I hope you were just joking. But the internet has really killed my faith in human intelligence, so if you were joking, forgive me for assuming you weren't and pointing out release dates.

Yahtzee, the very end of that review was the hardest I've ever laughed at a ZP. Well done.

So, in effect, this newest Mario Brothers release confirms what I've been saying for years?

That being: The series is in desperate need of another quality release in the Paper Mario series.

Thinking about it, I'm tempted to crack out the old Nintendo64 and play me some classic Paper Mario.

Stabby Joe:
As a side, I wonder if that last joke will go over the heads of those outside of Europe. Other news sources can be overly selective sometimes n some countries.

The sex scandal made sure it got all kinds of play here in the U.S.A.. Dunno about the rest of the world - what with being in the U.S. and all!

Evonisia:

LordTerminal:
The game isn't even out yet in America yet Yahtzee's reviewing it anyway instead of Pikmin 3? That's it, I'm thoroughly convinced he's biased again and wants the game to bomb before it even comes out. Oh wait, that's right, I'm convinced he's biased towards anything that isn't a PC now.

Well, alternatively he could be reviewing it as an insult to non-Australian viewers.

It's rare for him to get the opportunity to play a game before most of his audience. He actually even reviewed a JRPG in 2008 because it came out in Australia before most other countries.

Except I didn't even know he existed before I played TWEWY. I can't use that excuse now and considering he spoiled it before I got to even play it, now I'm not so sure I want to now that I know Bowser is the main villain again.

And usually I don't let Yahtzee's views on a game affect my decisions or my purchasing preferences.

Nintendo with their F***** Mario games reminds me of a guy I knew once. He used to take his old moss sodden guitar which everyone had seen a thousand times before to parties with the intention to impress. Like that he still could squeeze out some accords from it was a wonder in it's self. This is how I see Mario games.

I like to belive the Nintendo executives have a nagging feeling they could and should have done something better with their lives.

Pyrian:

Stabby Joe:
As a side, I wonder if that last joke will go over the heads of those outside of Europe. Other news sources can be overly selective sometimes n some countries.

The sex scandal made sure it got all kinds of play here in the U.S.A.. Dunno about the rest of the world - what with being in the U.S. and all!

I've had the same thoughts. I've been sick as fuck so I've been going through it and Thousand Year Door. Two of Ninty's best titles for sure.

I doubt we'll ever get another great one, though. Super Paper Mario was alright, but Sticker Star was a fucking abomination. Nintendo should be fucking embarrassed to have actually released that game instead of firing everyone involved in it's development.

LordTerminal:

Except I didn't even know he existed before I played TWEWY. I can't use that excuse now and considering he spoiled it before I got to even play it, now I'm not so sure I want to now that I know Bowser is the main villain again.

And usually I don't let Yahtzee's views on a game affect my decisions or my purchasing preferences.

I know I must be stereotyping here but surely it's not too surprising that Bowser is the main villain in a Mario/Luigi/Yoshi/Mushroom people game?

Although he spoiled the Bowser's Inside Story ending, which he managed to avoid in the review.

RogueportJack:

Pyrian:

Stabby Joe:
As a side, I wonder if that last joke will go over the heads of those outside of Europe. Other news sources can be overly selective sometimes n some countries.

The sex scandal made sure it got all kinds of play here in the U.S.A.. Dunno about the rest of the world - what with being in the U.S. and all!

I've had the same thoughts. I've been sick as fuck so I've been going through it and Thousand Year Door. Two of Ninty's best titles for sure.

I doubt we'll ever get another great one, though. Super Paper Mario was alright, but Sticker Star was a fucking abomination. Nintendo should be fucking embarrassed to have actually released that game instead of firing everyone involved in it's development.

Based off of early trailers, I get the feeling like IS tried to make a Paper Mario game with everything we were expecting, but Miyamoto told them to sod off with things like "story" and "characters". And so we got Sticker Star instead, completely devoid of everything that everyone has ever liked about the Paper Mario series. So maybe it's Miyamoto who should be separated from Mario so other teams can resume doing interesting things with the characters.

I also really like this whole "Year of Luigi" thing. One of the main reasons why I want a 3DS is so that I can play Luigi's Mansion 2.

As for the review. I don't really have any relationship with the Mario & Luigi games. The idea of mixing Mario with RPG elements is a little bizarre. Still, I think Nintendo has been very good at handling the Mario franchise. Pretty much all the core entries in the series has been different, at least mechanic wise. Even if some of the games are a bit samey, they're at least always well polished.

"I am Yahtzee of Borg. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
I don't think EA or Nintendo could stand up to the Collective. And so, it must be done!

Boston reference FTW

freaper:
Oh wow, a Berlusconi-joke in a Zero Punctuation episode. Never thought I'd see this day...

And now I need to go look that guy up. Good show, Yahtzee!

Evonisia:

LordTerminal:

Except I didn't even know he existed before I played TWEWY. I can't use that excuse now and considering he spoiled it before I got to even play it, now I'm not so sure I want to now that I know Bowser is the main villain again.

And usually I don't let Yahtzee's views on a game affect my decisions or my purchasing preferences.

I know I must be stereotyping here but surely it's not too surprising that Bowser is the main villain in a Mario/Luigi/Yoshi/Mushroom people game?

Although he spoiled the Bowser's Inside Story ending, which he managed to avoid in the review.

He hasn't been the Final villain in a RPG game since Paper Mario.

Uh dude make up your mind. At the start you say you loved it then at the end you said you hated it.

Every time Luigi faces to the left the L on his hat is backwards.

Symbio Joe:
"Gender swapped Berlusconi." Can this be a t-shirt? Plaese. I know it is a fleeting joke and not to many might get it but it caught me really off guard.

One of the funniest insults I have heard.

canadamus_prime:
You know, I'm not at all on board with this whole Year of Luigi thing. Don't get me wrong, I like Luigi, I like Luigi just fine; but I've always thought of the brothers as just that brothers, partnership. Kind of like Sam and Dean from Supernatural only without all the crazy angels and daemons and other monsters.

Then you'll love Luigi in this one. There are quite a few moments inside Luigi's head that really make him more of a loving and faithful brother than any other RPG appearance before. I don't want to spoil too much but I found the moments of him protecting Mario really heart-warming.

OT:

Yep, if you played BiS you don't need to play Dream Team because gameplay-wise it is the same game. However, it's still filled to the brim with charme and fun and glee and beautiful sprite work and it's worth playing.

Also, HAR HAR 'murrica we got it first 8D

Can we have Shin Megami Tensei IV now?! :c

TJC:

canadamus_prime:
You know, I'm not at all on board with this whole Year of Luigi thing. Don't get me wrong, I like Luigi, I like Luigi just fine; but I've always thought of the brothers as just that brothers, partnership. Kind of like Sam and Dean from Supernatural only without all the crazy angels and daemons and other monsters.

Then you'll love Luigi in this one. There are quite a few moments inside Luigi's head that really make him more of a loving and faithful brother than any other RPG appearance before. I don't want to spoil too much but I found the moments of him protecting Mario really heart-warming.

That sounds awesome and everything, but it's still not quite what I'm getting at. No what I'm talking about is like in the old cartoons from the late 80's and early 90's where, at least from my perspective, neither one of them seemed to take the spotlight and instead they played of each other and worked together as a team to stop Bowser's (aka King Koopa's) schemes. This is why I loved the GBA remake of Mario 3 because in that one you could play as both Mario and Luigi in single player alternating between them every time you either completed a level or died. This gave me the real feeling of that team thing I was talking about.

They release average ones like this so you'll love the next slightly better one even more. If they were all good you'd be sick of them pretty quick.

Evonisia:

LordTerminal:

Except I didn't even know he existed before I played TWEWY. I can't use that excuse now and considering he spoiled it before I got to even play it, now I'm not so sure I want to now that I know Bowser is the main villain again.

And usually I don't let Yahtzee's views on a game affect my decisions or my purchasing preferences.

I know I must be stereotyping here but surely it's not too surprising that Bowser is the main villain in a Mario/Luigi/Yoshi/Mushroom people game?

Although he spoiled the Bowser's Inside Story ending, which he managed to avoid in the review.

You ARE aware that in the majority of the Mario RPGs, Bowser either plays a small supporting role and only shows up for a minor boss fight or two or ends up having to work alongside Mario and by extension ends up being playable if not both. Other than the first Paper Mario and Stick Star, Bowser usually isn't the main villain for more than ten seconds before being shoved aside for some other guy.

This was a hilarious episode and Yahtzee was truly in the groove this week. Maybe it's just me, but it always seems like he's stating the obvious thing that everybody knew but were afraid to point out. Like, is Mario really this sacred videogame character? Isn't the whole mushroom/ princess/ turtle/ Italian/ plumber thing just waiting to be ridiculed?

And now I want a game where Peach kidnaps Bowser.

MAKE IT SO, NINTENDO.

LordTerminal:

Except I didn't even know he existed before I played TWEWY. I can't use that excuse now and considering he spoiled it before I got to even play it, now I'm not so sure I want to now that I know Bowser is the main villain again.

And usually I don't let Yahtzee's views on a game affect my decisions or my purchasing preferences.

Are you seriously complaining about a Mario game being spoiled?

I understand Bowser's plight now.
We are both voted to be the evil ones, for we reject what society is doing, and we want to change it.
I salute you, brother in Evil!

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but have you tried putting a circle pad pro on your 3ds? I got mine for Monster Hunter, but honestly have left it on for everything else because it makes it significantly more comfortable to hold.

Finally have Dream Team, I love it, even though it goes a bit overboard with the tutorials... I also accidentally spoiled myself before watching this review, since even though King Antasma initially kidnaps Princess Peach, it's Bowser who eventually claims the "big bad" title in this game... Which kind of sucks, because like Yahtzee said, Bowser usually isn't the main antagonist in RPGs, and I love the fact that they invent interesting new villains for these kinds of games.

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