Escape to the Movies: Elysium

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kickassfrog:

Darth Sea Bass:
August 21st in the UK?... Motherfucker.

Yeah, but we got the chance to see The World's End before the [I actually don't feel like insulting americans right now so insert your own derogatory but ultimately good-natured insult of choice] got to. So there's that.

Good point sir! We should be magnanimous in these situations.

I kind of suprise that the film is good (well depending on the other review) since I thought it would of fail since the whole undertone/ reference it way too obvious that it embeded into my eyes! Oh gee the rich get super medical treatment while the poor are in dire need of help? Where have I heard of that before?

Makabriel:

Ihateregistering1:

It has nothing to do with thinking about how you might "subscribe to their views" or be "brainwashed". It has to do with film-makers with very clear-cut beliefs making movies that take complicated ideas that are chock full of grey areas and reducing them to black-and-white fantasy, where everyone falls into convenient categories of "if you think this way you're smart and righteous and wonderful, and if you think this way you're a vile and disgusting human being". As you can imagine, people don't really like being insulted, and they especially don't like it when you insult them by presuming to understand their views when the film-maker clearly doesn't (or just ignores them).

But how does this make sense in a fictional movie? A documentary I can understand. But imagine debating these points while disusing Judge Dread, which has a lot of the same views. Hell, the remake of Total Recall even...

You can mine meaning and significance out of pretty much anything if you try hard enough, but you have to remember that Judge Dredd is supposed to be an over-the-top parody (Dredd himself is essentially a giant parody of Dirty Harry and other "tough cop" characters) and doesn't take itself particularly seriously.

And the new Total Recall? Well...no one really cared about it because it sucked compared to the old Arnold one, and the old Arnold one didn't take itself particularly seriously either.

Also, if we're going to get really in the weeds, Dredd actually sort of presents two-sides of the coin. On the one hand, it shows that the world essentially needs the authoritarian Judges to hold everything together, on the other hand, it shows how those who take charge simply begin to give themselves more and more authority and essentially become responsible for the destruction they claim to be trying to stop (you'd have to get into the comics to see more of this, not just the movies). The vast majority of "message" movies don't present two sides of the coin, or if they do, they make one side completely, ridiculously noble and the other side completely, ridiculously evil.

I hear what Bob is trying to say, but it comes off more like a massive Straw-man. Like, this makes Avatar look subtle and balanced levels of Straw-man.

While I couldn't agree with you more about how amazing Pacific Rim is, I think your love of this movie is more because it's an echo chamber of your views.

Copper Zen:
Funny. Bob's cheering this movie on while other reviews I've read are canning it. Time gave it 2+1/2 stars out of 5 and it only gets a 47% on Rotten Tomatoes.

It's at 67%/61% now. Worth bearing in mind that all that number's good for is telling you that it's divisive.

Steve the Pocket:
You know -- and this is just based on the information presented in the review -- if "the one percent" can just up and move to a space colony removed from the rest of humanity where they never have to work again, and the result is that everything goes to hell down below... doesn't that kind of validate the ideas presented in, of all things, Atlas Shrugged? You know, where all the rich people pack up and move to Rapture Galt's Gulch and everyone else is like "Oh noes, the people who actually knew how to run things are all gone, whatever shall we do?" because apparently "the 99 percent" are all idiots who need to be led by the hand by their, ahem, intellectual superiors.

What I'm getting is that this is a really obnoxious viewpoint no matter whose "side" of the conflict you claim to be on.

I think the idea is that everything had already gone to hell down below and so the rich left.

In which case, it's not particularly.

The trailers alone made the message in Elysium seem hamfisted, I can only imagine that going to watch it is like being hit in the face by said fist of ham. I'll be skipping this movie.

Mossberg Shotty:
I'm a bit confused here. If you consider something "good" that implies that you have the inclination to enjoy that something. I certainly thought it was a good movie, even though being difficult to watch was kinda the point. I think y'all are missing the forest for the trees, so to speak.

Being difficult to watch is the way I interpreted the previous statement saying it was good but not something they enjoyed, rather than it being a masterpiece but not of a genre they enjoy. I loved the hell out of Spec Ops: The Line and have recommended it to several people, but that doesn't mean I enjoyed playing it for example.

Neill Blomkamp is this generation's Steven Spielburg or George Lucas (before either of them went completely bonkers and ruined their prime intellectual properties). He's made great stories centered around a character that isn't all good, but certainly not all bad either. In the end, they show human qualities of compassion, selfless sacrifice, and the the shear willing push to accomplish the impossible. Above all, the situation is completely relateable on many fronts.

This movie better again push Blomkamp's products into an Oscar nomination.

P.S. I agree with Movie Bob in that most likely that shit movie of "We're the Millers" will bump it up in the box office.

P.P.S. Holy shit! It's the first time in nearly 10 years that I've gone to a movie theater and not seen/heard a cell phone during the movie. It's a miracle! (or the movie was that captivating to the audience).

edit: Captcha: go further

CelestDaer:
The thing that has been bothering me about the trailer since day 1: If they had this exoskeleton that would allow them to infiltrate the upper crust, why haven't they used it before NOW?

Probably because they were waiting for one of these
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WhiteMaleLead
to save them.

CelestDaer:

Also:
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Expected 'special' announcement is expected.

Ya, I respect Bob for actually writing and publishing a book, but, I'm sorry, the pitch for it comes off like a rather boring idea for a Lets Play let alone a book.

SOCIALCONSTRUCT:
Liberals don't eat their own dogfood. It turns that Matt Damon (much like Rahm Emanuel) has decided to live in his own Elysium and put his own kids into private schools. How is that for your "fist pumping call to arms for social justice"?

I love how anything with an even slight political slant turns into a "conservative v.s liberal" pissing match and eventually starts to have nothing to do with the movie/game/book/throw pillow being discussed.

Interesting review, though I've been taking Bob's opinion with a fair grain of salt since he proclaimed Iron Man 2 to be a great movie. Will probably still check this out since I really liked District 9, though.

@Casual Shinji

Dude, when I first read the plot of Elysium, the first thing I thought of was Battle Angel Alita, cause Elysium is a cookie cutter style plot of BAA. Maybe someone got a look at James Cameron future BAA movie script and planned their own version.

Either way, I'd go and watch Elysium because Blomkamp is a talented guy and should be applauded and rewarded for bucking the mediocre and safe hollywood trend of late. Besides, the best movies have good message behind them. Good to have something else to watch before Enders Game and the Hobbit

Thank you Bob, you helped me get over my reservations over this film.

I did enjoy District 9 a lot, but I also felt it was a little dry in places. But now I was reminded of the aspects of District 9 which I did love and adore, so when I have a chance, I will certainly see this film.

So another "dirty poor rebel heroes against EVUL rich white strawmen people" movie? Yea I'll pass,. Not only do I hate that kind of plot with a burning passion for a host of reasons, I really don't feel like paying to sit down and be told I'm shit.

I don't like how it mixes its "messages"

There's the story of the 99% VS an oligarcy that lets a nation return to practically medieval Europe, then it combines it with the support of turn of the century style open immigration policy which no nation has, pitting anyone who isn't white against "whitey in the sky" who doesn't share just cuz.

So basically the immigration thing conflicts against the 99% thing because "Space 'Murica" represents Americans of course, but that demonizes the 99% as well as the Space Romneys when the protagonists are all shades of brown.

If each allegory was a seperate movie it probably would work better.

I'd say the exploitation of oppressed communist Chinese as exploitable labor for "capitalist" western business, and the people who begrudgingly support it with little option would be a better jumping off point for an allegorical story... buuuut Hollywood wouldn't allow that because the Chinese would ban it and cut off all that money from that part of the global market.

Smiley Face:

Also, at the moment, Elysium actually has 68% on Rotten Tomatoes, which is closer to what I'd expect.

shiajun:

Where are you getting your numbers from? Rotten tomatoes has a 67%.

Freakazoid:

And this movie has a 67% on Rotten Tomatoes not 47%.

A lot more reviewers (147 now) have weighed in since I saw the Rotten Tomatoes' review when I posted earlier. When I checked RT the front page only had one or two "Fresh" ratings.

That's what really threw me about Bob's review--the votes at RT were overwhelmingly negative at the time.

Ukomba:
I hear what Bob is trying to say, but it comes off more like a massive Straw-man. Like, this makes Avatar look subtle and balanced levels of Straw-man.

While I couldn't agree with you more about how amazing Pacific Rim is, I think your love of this movie is more because it's an echo chamber of your views.

No, this movie is good on it's own merits, Bob's opinion notwithstanding. I never watched Pacific Rim because I'm less into the "smash-em'-up" part of things, more into the logistical background aspects...which I'm to understand that the movie dives very little into.

Elysium does very good in explaining the short and long of the situation, without actually explaining it at all.

faefrost:

Casual Shinji:
We're never gonna get that Battle Angel Alita movie, are we? :'(

Nope :( This pretty much killed it, just as Promethius killed The Mountains of Madness one.

I wouldn't say never because James Camerson seems like the type to give zero fucks about what others think and/or want. That said it's probably pretty close to never as Avatar made too much money to not try to cash in on. Hell, Cameron's IMDB page has writing credits listed for Avatar's 2-4. -_- I, given the fact that I don't particularly like most of what he's done recently, am not super thrilled that James Cameron is the one holding the rights to Battle Angel.

Casual Shinji:

Azurian:

Casual Shinji:
We're never gonna get that Battle Angel Alita movie, are we? :'(

Were there talks of one? Because I am wondering how they would pull that one off!

James Cameron was going to make it.

But then he made Avatar which made a shitzillion dollars, so he decided to make sequels to that instead. Apparently it's still on his radar, but if it does ever get made we probably won't see it before 2020.

I thought Steven Spielberg wanted to make that a movie, and Ghost in the Shell. If Cameron's going to do it, he should hurry up with the Avatar sequels and cut out the deep-sea submersible diving.

Mike Fang:
When I first heard about this movie, I'd considered going to see it. However, the more I hear about it, the less I want to, because it sounds like it's going to be Avatar levels of heavy-handed, left-wing preaching about illegal immigration and ecenomic disparity among social classes. God forbid they take it with an even hand and, I dunno, handle both sides fairly with a message like "some say the economic system is unfair and keeps people from making their lives better in order to benefit the privileged few...but others think that you can get ahead and the fact that some don't succeed is just an unfortunate, but unavoidable fact of life and trying to homogenize prosperity is going to be about taking away what some have rightfully earned and giving it to those that haven't earned it."

It's sad that I think I can say without fear of disagreement that we're not likely to see a movie with that kind of message anytime soon. Instead we're going to keep seeing movies where the message is where the only people who are successful and rich are the dishonest and those born into privilege and that successful, wealthy people have no virtues because they're all selfish and cruel.

I think you're hitting one of the anti-Elysium nails right on the head - it looks like it might have had a working title of "Occupy Elysium". Heck, even Bob alluded to that when he mentioned the 99% living on Earth. I'm hoping that someone who review movies will mention just how much and how heavy handed the message is and not simply try to avoid the issue, like Bob did in this review, because aspects of the movie look awesome. I just don't know if I want to get bashed over the head with a message I have some disagreements with just to see some kewl action and awesum effects.

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Edit: Nevermind didn't see the posts above.

OT: I skipped through most of the spoiler stuff, but it sounds like its going to be a cool movie.

About to go watch/review it myself. Interesting Bob says its more an analogue to relations between the first and third world as opposed to the beaten-to-death-horse that is 'capitalism is bad'. Even when they handle that well, it always hits me as greatly hypocritical for a film headlined by a handful of multi-millionaires and financed by one of five or six multibillion dollar corpertations to critique the way capitalism works.

Anyway, Elysium looks good, I'm excited.

Soooooooo will I be able to ignore the political bullshit and still enjoy the movie or should I just stay home and watch or do something else? I'm honestly getting really tired of having every single thing that happens ever anywhere be turned into a right vs. left political issue and would just as soon ignore as much of it as possible.

Makabriel:

Ihateregistering1:

It has nothing to do with thinking about how you might "subscribe to their views" or be "brainwashed". It has to do with film-makers with very clear-cut beliefs making movies that take complicated ideas that are chock full of grey areas and reducing them to black-and-white fantasy, where everyone falls into convenient categories of "if you think this way you're smart and righteous and wonderful, and if you think this way you're a vile and disgusting human being". As you can imagine, people don't really like being insulted, and they especially don't like it when you insult them by presuming to understand their views when the film-maker clearly doesn't (or just ignores them).

But how does this make sense in a fictional movie? A documentary I can understand. But imagine debating these points while disusing Judge Dread, which has a lot of the same views. Hell, the remake of Total Recall even...

There is ONLY ONE Total Recall! We do not speak of failed remakes here!

Desert Punk:

Jacco:
I literally could not watch that review because I can't handle the Bawstin accent.

I know right? This is normally the kind of thing editors are supposed to catch and tell the person to rerecord.

OT: Glad to hear the movie is good, I shall go see it this weekend!

And kinda sad, the "Special announcement" is really just a "Special advertisement" I am still curious who a WRITTEN lets play is supposed to be targeting, and if there was actually a demand for such things..

I was hoping/expecting for something else, too. I mean, it's great that he's branching out and all, but I don't see the appeal. XD

If this movie is as good as he seems to feel it is, it'll be worth a rent or a watch on Netflix down the line.

Damn, another one for the "must see" list. I'm STILL trying to find time to see Pacific Rim.

Copper Zen:
Funny. Bob's cheering this movie on while other reviews I've read are canning it. Time gave it 2+1/2 stars out of 5 and it only gets a 47% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Uh...is this another case where Bob's inner fanboy leaves him giddy and oblivious to problems? You may recall how he said the Captain America might be "the best movie ever". Bob has as much of a track record for going overboard liking certain directors or movies as he does for reflexively hating others (I never listen to Bob when he talks about JJ Abrahm's work, anymore).

Has anyone else seen this movie? If so I'd appreciate your opinion on it.

EDIT: The 47% at Rotten Tomatoes has changed to 67% as more reviewers weighed in their opinions.

Considering I value Bob's opinion above pretty much all other critics, I'm more than willing to disregard anyone who disagrees with him until I see the film myself. You talk about his "inner fanboy" but Bob doesn't have an "inner fanboy"- he's ALL fanboy and completely unashamed about it. Since I'm a fanboy as well, that's why his opinions gel with mine so well.

ThingWhatSqueaks:

faefrost:

Casual Shinji:
We're never gonna get that Battle Angel Alita movie, are we? :'(

Nope :( This pretty much killed it, just as Promethius killed The Mountains of Madness one.

I wouldn't say never because James Camerson seems like the type to give zero fucks about what others think and/or want. That said it's probably pretty close to never as Avatar made too much money to not try to cash in on. Hell, Cameron's IMDB page has writing credits listed for Avatar's 2-4. -_- I, given the fact that I don't particularly like most of what he's done recently, am not super thrilled that James Cameron is the one holding the rights to Battle Angel.

/sigh! I actually don't mind the idea of Cameron making Battle Angel Alita. Yeah he seems like a bit if a jerk, but the man does have an incredible eye for and timing with these types of movies. And I love that Cameron is one of the last of the big genre filmakers that has not succumbed to washing everything out with blue and orange digital color correction. Love or hate Avatar for the acting dialog and story, but the filmmaking in it is spectacular.

I cry because it will at a minimum be years before we see such a movie. Can you imagine if it could be in production now using the girl from Pacific Rim? Or the chick that played Yukio in The Wolverine?

A Hollywood triple-A production involving plot elements of class struggle?

Oh, this will get ugly...

Tono Makt:

I think you're hitting one of the anti-Elysium nails right on the head - it looks like it might have had a working title of "Occupy Elysium". Heck, even Bob alluded to that when he mentioned the 99% living on Earth. I'm hoping that someone who review movies will mention just how much and how heavy handed the message is and not simply try to avoid the issue, like Bob did in this review, because aspects of the movie look awesome. I just don't know if I want to get bashed over the head with a message I have some disagreements with just to see some kewl action and awesum effects.

You've actually summed it up perfectly. If you can't stand fairly stupid preachiness, don't go see it. If you can tolerate Hollywood Economics then you'll be fine, I actually really like the technology designs. Whoever does their design work is outstanding and the special effects are pretty good. But yeah, it's filled with a lot of plot holes due to ham-fisted current political commentary. The rich have super cheap medicine stuff and are greedy, but don't sell the super medicine for profit and to keep their workforce productive. This is because the medicine is clearly a commentary on public healthcare, but the problem is that one is expensive and requires a fair bit of infrastructure while Elysium's just seems to be a box you need to power. Actually, it's kind of like the Dark Knight and its Occupy commentary.

Woodsey:

I think the idea is that everything had already gone to hell down below and so the rich left.

In which case, it's not particularly.

Did you read Atlas Shrugged? At the end they leave New York as the last bit of power is fading and the whole place is about to go post-apocalyptic. You could argue it's an 'Atlas Shrugged 200 years later' scenario if you wanted to.

Uh, Bob? Have you completely lost your mind?

Elysium was meh at best. Matt Damon and the girl had literally no character, there were many scenes that made no damn sense and the whole "message" completely failed to materialize outside of what we saw in the trailers.

The tech was cool, the action was nice and Kruger was great, but that all failed to matter when the leads were so ungodly bland.

Also District 9 was far superior.

bat32391:

Copper Zen:
Funny. Bob's cheering this movie on while other reviews I've read are canning it. Time gave it 2+1/2 stars out of 5 and it only gets a 47% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Uh...is this another case where Bob's inner fanboy leaves him giddy and oblivious to problems? You may recall how he said the Captain America might be "the best movie ever". Bob has as much of a track record for going overboard liking certain directors or movies as he does for reflexively hating others (I never listen to Bob when he talks about JJ Abrahm's work, anymore).

Has anyone else seen this movie? If so I'd appreciate your opinion on it.

Where are you getting those numbers? I just checked rotten tomatos and is has a 67% like for the critics and a 77% like for the people.

OT: I skipped through most of the spoiler stuff, but it sounds like its going to be a cool movie.

Dude.....look literally 5 posts above yours.....

From Copper:

A lot more reviewers (147 now) have weighed in since I saw the Rotten Tomatoes' review when I posted earlier. When I checked RT the front page only had one or two "Fresh" ratings.

That's what really threw me about Bob's review--the votes at RT were overwhelmingly negative at the time.

OT: Just like Pacific Rim, this is not nearly as good as everyone on here is hyping it up to be. Just another 'meh' at best

This movie was nowhere near as good as District 9.

In D9, the apartheid allegory made sense, because, you know, space aliens; we hardly knew anything about where they came from, most of them were dumber than dirt, their ship wasn't moving or doing anything. It was a holding pattern; this is what happens when you've got a barely manageable population that you can't do anything with, camping out in the middle of the city.

In Elysium, the immigration thing doesn't make a lick of sense; Who is running this place? What happened to the earth nations? Why isn't there a single decent person amongst the Elysium residents? The healthcare commentary implodes in on itself, because unlike today, where medical care requires infrastructure and is quite expensive, space whitey has access to magic Jesus boxes that instantly heal you of all known ailments. All they needed was a generator, a few portable units and some robots to make a queue and they could heal the entire eastern seaboard in a week. But instead, apparently the entire station is run by Captain Planet villains who don't want to share because reasons.

Plus the film was rushed, scenes were plagued by shaky cam, Krueger was woefully underutilized (and Sharlto Copley is the exact opposite of scary, I don't care how many exoskeletons and katana swords you give him) and the whole thing felt like it was edited to fit in a hour and a half time slot on TNT.

Tono Makt:

I think you're hitting one of the anti-Elysium nails right on the head - it looks like it might have had a working title of "Occupy Elysium". Heck, even Bob alluded to that when he mentioned the 99% living on Earth. I'm hoping that someone who review movies will mention just how much and how heavy handed the message is and not simply try to avoid the issue, like Bob did in this review, because aspects of the movie look awesome. I just don't know if I want to get bashed over the head with a message I have some disagreements with just to see some kewl action and awesum effects.

Amen to that. I had the same issue with Avatar, hence why I never went to see it in theaters. I did rent it later to watch it with Rifftrax commentary. I think Mike Nelson, Bill Corbett and Kevin Murphey really did a good job skewering that one. I particularly remember the scene where the protagonist does that bonding thing with the tree that's supposed to hold all the memories and conscious minds of the Na'vi dead, and Mike (I think it was Mike) said. "Wow! Even dead your people are all preachy and self-righteous!" That one cracked me up.

I liked We're the Millers. It was kind of rushed but some of the jokes were pretty funny, and not all the funny ones were variations of 'here's something the Millers are doing that would look bizarre if an actual family did it', although they did take that about as far as you can for one joke.

I honestly thought District 9 was the most overrated movie I've ever seen. I don't like movies that try to bludgeon you with a lecture and a moral and get high and might about it, and District 9 had that. Plus the whole 'aliens show up so eventually we put them in a special ghetto so we can ostracize them' just felt so ridiculously absurd. They obviously came from a planet where there was more of them so diplomatically this is really incredibly stupid.

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