Jimquisition: I'm Going To Murder Your Children

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Saviordd1:

MegaSuperUberMe:
Well to be fair, she was a shitty writer and took criticism on biowere forums with ban hummers to the max. This does not however excuses threats and bullying, but what else can you except when you ban conversation.

She was a decent writer, as I mentioned in my above post, she did a lot of the writing for Tuchanka and the Sith Warrior questline in TOR.

She's not exactly a brand new JRR Tolkien here but shes a good writer at least.

I have to disagree on her writing skills at least when it comes to DA2 and ME3, since her greatest contributions were poorly written romance plots and insultingly simplistic gay romances. Hell, the small slaver escapee side mission that took about 3 minutes in ME1 was written better than anything in ME3. Tuchanka was written extremely weakly, deus ex machina, heavy handed exposition everywhere and poorly written girl-power speech to top it all. She is a fanfic writer who got her job as a script writer through her husband. Maybe she got better in TOR, but i highly doubt it.

Saviordd1:

SlightlyEvil:
...I'm sorry, I'm sure you had an important message about decency to your fellow man in there somewhere, but all I heard was "Dragon Dildo".

(Also, I thought the writing was the best part of Dragon Age II. For all the samey dungeons and uninteresting combat, I loved the depth of the characterization in the game. Somehow, the Internet assholes managed to pick out the one competent person that worked on that game and drive her away. Congratufuckinglations.)

Well, to be fair, she DID write Fenris and Anders, the two worst things about that game.

On the other hand she also wrote Tuchanka and the Sith Warrior story for TOR, the two shining beacons in otherwise mountains of shit.

I liked the dark and brooding anti-hero mage, his actions made the climax have some major emotional payoff. I just wish that Anders could have been in the game. You know, the snarky fun mage from Awakening. I liked what we got, but I just wish we hadn't lost the character I liked to get it. Fenris was annoying as hell though. Over the game he went from "annoying" to "tolerable, barely" for me.

Tuchanka rocked pretty hardcore, the death of Mordin was just about perfect. Only ever played an Inquisitor in TOR, made the mistake of going light side before realizing that half of the morality choices had as the Dark option "zap this moron."

Man, threatening the person themself is bad enough. Threatening their kids too is just horrible. Hopefully some lessons can be learned here.

xPixelatedx:

wulf3n:

Ohhh, source?

Where did Hepler respond? what did she say?

From what I remember, basically responding to critics by calling them virgins.

I just figure they're jealous that I get to have both a vagina AND a games industry job, and they can't get either.

Getting that offensive and resorting to name calling probably wasn't the best way to go about things, because really, once an argument gets to that point things can only escalate from there. Much of her opposition already looked bad and many of them were indeed in the wrong... she didn't have to throw any punches. She looked better then them up until the point she said that.

The only way you win a fight on the internet is by not having one. Oh how much better our lives would be without twitter haha.

Honestly, I think the uproar was very telling. I mean, most people would just laugh a comment like that off. I could open up any comment section or forum anywhere and find people being called far worse.

Saviordd1:

I don't find rampant shitposting about anti-semitism, 9/11 conspiracies, FEMA conspiracies, Racism, Sexism and child rape worth "The price of freedom".

No, I'm sorry, but 4chan isn't a place for intelligent discourse, even if its an unpopular opinion. Because even 4chan has its own version of whats "Popular" and the mods will ban you for way dumber reasons than ours will.

You do realize that 4chan is not just /b/ right? Never seen any conspiracy theories there myself, or child rape, or sexism (note: I dont count every critisim against a female as sexism).

Actually do you have any clue what you're talking about or are you just parroting what people have told you and never checked the site for yourself?

themilo504:
This episode is really kind of pointless, everybody with a brain already knows that this kind of behavior is bad and the rest are too stupid to ever understand that.

Same old same old: everybody agrees bad things are bad, we just waste our time nitpicking on technicisms and definitions. That's what Jim always does anyway, doesn't he? Explain the obvious and why he's right about it?

I love the Jimquisition when it takes an unpopular stance on something, such as saying that the "realistic" direction of GTA 5 was actually a good thing and a ballsy move, things of that nature.

I'm not saying you should have took the unpopular stance here, obviously that would be stupid. Obviously.

That's my point. Obviously. It's obvious that it's wrong to threaten to kill children, nobody needs to tell us this, the person that did it wasn't unaware of this fact. You are stating the obvious.
That's what it seems like the series is turning into. Something gaming related is making "headlines" online so you discuss it. That's fine unless it's a story like this were everyone already knows your stance. If you have nothing original or interesting to add, why throw your hat into the ring at all?

As I said in another thread, the person that did this likely has serious mental, psychological, or emotional problems that need to be dealt with in their own personal private time.

Not everything needs to be a big public rage fest. I have seen 4 threads (not counting this one) about the exact same story and all of them seem to be filled with people pretending that there is some group supporting the guy or girl that sent the threat.

"How can anyone say that it's ok?"

Seems to be the phrase of the day in most of those threads, even though everyone in said threads is saying that it's not ok.

When a person shoots another person, it can spark all kinds of discussion, but it shouldn't cause us to just sit in a circle and talk about how bad that person was. Everyone knows it was bad, we get it, let's move on or find some original way to discuss this.

BTW this isn't an "issue with the gaming culture" as so many kids keep claiming, it's a problem that exists in every facet of society. There are schizophrenics that stalk news reporters because they are convinced that they speak directly to them through their tv. Getting together and talking about how bad that person is doesn't really help anyone, including the victims.

MegaSuperUberMe:

Saviordd1:

MegaSuperUberMe:
Well to be fair, she was a shitty writer and took criticism on biowere forums with ban hummers to the max. This does not however excuses threats and bullying, but what else can you except when you ban conversation.

She was a decent writer, as I mentioned in my above post, she did a lot of the writing for Tuchanka and the Sith Warrior questline in TOR.

She's not exactly a brand new JRR Tolkien here but shes a good writer at least.

I have to disagree on her writing skills at least when it comes to DA2 and ME3, since her greatest contributions were poorly written romance plots and insultingly simplistic gay romances. Hell, the small slaver escapee side mission that took about 3 minutes in ME1 was written better than anything in ME3. Tuchanka was written extremely weakly, deus ex machina, heavy handed exposition everywhere and poorly written girl-power speech to top it all. She is a fanfic writer who got her job as a script writer through her husband. Maybe she got better in TOR, but i highly doubt it.

Except none of that is really the point.

If you don't think she's a good writer, don't buy games she has written for. Bioware isn't a government, you don't vote these people into their positions, you have no place to demand it be done a certain way or that certain people be fired. You vote with your wallet.

It seems like you played enough of ME3 which means you probably bought it or at least played it by getting it from a friend or rental place. Sitting there eating 60 dollar sandwich while complaining about how poorly it was made doesn't make you look smart or interesting, it makes you look like a spoiled punk that enjoys the sound of his (or her) own voice.

Deadagent:

Saviordd1:

I don't find rampant shitposting about anti-semitism, 9/11 conspiracies, FEMA conspiracies, Racism, Sexism and child rape worth "The price of freedom".

No, I'm sorry, but 4chan isn't a place for intelligent discourse, even if its an unpopular opinion. Because even 4chan has its own version of whats "Popular" and the mods will ban you for way dumber reasons than ours will.

You do realize that 4chan is not just /b/ right? Never seen any conspiracy theories there myself, or child rape, or sexism (note: I dont count every critisim against a female as sexism).

Actually do you have any clue what you're talking about or are you just parroting what people have told you and never checked the site for yourself?

I go on /a/, /b/, /m/, /pol/, /x/ and if I'm feeling particularly suicidal /v/.

And with that in mind, I repeat my point, 4chan is not the place for intelligent discourse, its best for laughs, rage, wallpapers, pictures and for some people porn.

There is a difference between gamers and obnoxious 13 year old trolls from /v/ and Jim should know that instead of accusing everyone. Also we are taking these threats a bit too seriously I think.

Yeah, lets threaten children in order to get what we want, good to go gaming folks! Don't forget your masks and chainsaws!

Seriously, the community will never cease to amaze/disturb me...

I am trying so hard to restrain myself from not posting a link to/talk about products from Bad Dragon. Only my will to not get banned is stopping me.
/furrypr0nz

Agreed with the lecture, not a fan of being lumped in with all the other assholes at the end of the video though.

Ahah, this is speaks volumes to me of the childishness surrounding the gaming industry and internet. A little boy resides behind the transparent death threat. A little boy in a mans body, aching for a violent outburst or to lose his virginity to equally desperate female. A consequence of perpetual sadness & anxiety, eventually you become angry and sexually frustrated.

After you experience true excitement, face death itself, you realize that all those things you held true are rendered meaningless. The only thing that truly matters is ones own personal freedom. To be free from the shackles of modern day pressures, to the let the beast within out of its cage.

But don't forget about your morals. Without morals we are no better than the animals we eat. To be free and to do so while holding onto your morals, the thing that binds people together... is ideal.

My recommendation: go beat someone up and get laid.. or get beaten up.

1337mokro:

You don't know do you? You honestly thought he was joking about that part? Oh Jooooooy :)

It's....A joke. You take the less expected part of a statement and run with it.

Like the Ghostbusters "this man has no dick" joke.

I've seen weirder sex toys, for the record.

TheKasp:
Any kind of threats and insults is just not warranted.

Threats and insults should not be put in the same breath when it comes to condemnation. That's part of my problem: the repeated equation of threats, which Fish never got, and insults, which are still protected speech.

Claims to harm vs being a jerk. Two massively different things. And while both might be "uncalled for," one is being a bully and one is merely being a jerk.

Griffolion:
Man, threatening the person themself is bad enough. Threatening their kids too is just horrible. Hopefully some lessons can be learned here.

Looking at the responses, I would think the lesson learned would be "people are largely okay with this," and that's how bullies work. They operate within the lines of socially acceptable behaviour.

szaleniec1000:

Honestly, I think the uproar was very telling. I mean, most people would just laugh a comment like that off. I could open up any comment section or forum anywhere and find people being called far worse.

I thought the burn was funny, since most of the comments were aimed at her being a woman anyway.

But gamers do tend to be massively insecure. We court the childish, it seems. It's not surprising that gamers can't take comments more innocuous than the ones they fire off.

Carpenter:
Sitting there eating 60 dollar sandwich while complaining about how poorly it was made doesn't make you look smart or interesting, it makes you look like a spoiled punk that enjoys the sound of his (or her) own voice.

No, it looks like you're talking about the nature of a commercial product from a commercial sense. This is totally legitimate, for the record.

Carpenter:

MegaSuperUberMe:

Saviordd1:

She was a decent writer, as I mentioned in my above post, she did a lot of the writing for Tuchanka and the Sith Warrior questline in TOR.

She's not exactly a brand new JRR Tolkien here but shes a good writer at least.

I have to disagree on her writing skills at least when it comes to DA2 and ME3, since her greatest contributions were poorly written romance plots and insultingly simplistic gay romances. Hell, the small slaver escapee side mission that took about 3 minutes in ME1 was written better than anything in ME3. Tuchanka was written extremely weakly, deus ex machina, heavy handed exposition everywhere and poorly written girl-power speech to top it all. She is a fanfic writer who got her job as a script writer through her husband. Maybe she got better in TOR, but i highly doubt it.

Except none of that is really the point.

If you don't think she's a good writer, don't buy games she has written for. Bioware isn't a government, you don't vote these people into their positions, you have no place to demand it be done a certain way or that certain people be fired. You vote with your wallet.

It seems like you played enough of ME3 which means you probably bought it or at least played it by getting it from a friend or rental place. Sitting there eating 60 dollar sandwich while complaining about how poorly it was made doesn't make you look smart or interesting, it makes you look like a spoiled punk that enjoys the sound of his (or her) own voice.

You make no scene what so ever kiddo. By your logic criticism is obsolete and useless because criticising something that you don't like is "you look like a spoiled punk that enjoys the sound of his (or her) own voice." It's the other way around actually. You can't criticise a movie without watching it, you cant criticise a book without reading it and you can't criticise a game without playing it. Besides, people wanted her fired not because she is a bad writer, but because she is a gigantic narcissist who answers to any form of criticism with unbelievable hostility, self victimization and crocodile tiers. Hell, the death threats could be from self-written as far as we know. As for voting with my wallet, I do that after being burned twice (DA2 and ME3), but those two games have bigger problems than sloppy writing, the writing is just a rotten cherry on top of gigantic pile of god knows what.
P.S. Are you one of biowere forum moderators? You would fit right in, they used exactly the same arguments and banned anyone who dared to bring up valid criticism.

Zachary Amaranth:

1337mokro:

You don't know do you? You honestly thought he was joking about that part? Oh Jooooooy :)

It's....A joke. You take the less expected part of a statement and run with it.

Like the Ghostbusters "this man has no dick" joke.

I've seen weirder sex toys, for the record.

Oh of course, I was just playing along with the joke. The triple headed vibrator chastity belt beats the dragon tongue dildo, but that is hardly relevant to the joke is it?

Also what else is there to talk about? That is really all you said directed at me and quoted from my earlier posts.

There was literally nothing to discuss with you except playing the joke out.

Other than that what else can I say? Scummy gamers are scummy, bad slashfick writer is bad slashfick writer who managed to land a lead writer job and Bioware is on a sharp steep rampaging decline into the ground because they get their stories written by complete hacks and people that write slashficks.

Yeah, that's literally what happened here.

Zachary Amaranth:
[quote="Griffolion" post="6.825793.20055441"]Man, threatening the person themself is bad enough. Threatening their kids too is just horrible. Hopefully some lessons can be learned here.

Looking at the responses, I would think the lesson learned would be "people are largely okay with this," and that's how bullies work. They operate within the lines of socially acceptable behaviour.

This thread is still going?

So I guess in your view this means that anyone who was planning to go out and have a nice dinner should instead stay home and fast or they will be guilty contributing to kids starving in Africa?

Should the movie house I visited last night have run a disclaimer before the film saying "Welcome to the show, while you sit here in total comfort enjoying your overpriced snacks and drink, we'd like to remind you that innocent people are dying in Syria and Egypt, we hope you feel bad about having a good time you cold heartless bastards."

In all seriousness when did people who play video games lose their right to autonomy?

I actually agree with Hepler. I would love to see more story in games rather then just dull, repetitive combat.

3 minutes of sarcasm followed by 4 minutes of saying the same thing over and over again. Felt like a waste of time. I mean, nobody that's made a death threat has ever or will ever watch this video, and even if they do making a video saying "don't punish game makers for doing gamey things" doesn't really say anything important or something that they already didn't know. They were just being stupid internet trolls doing stupid internet things, they know making death threats is stupid and disgusting. The video seemed like seven minutes of fluff.

Seriously, what the blue hell is wrong with some people?

If anyone is responsible for gaming's inability to be accepted as a form of art or literature, the Live generation is that cause.

Hey Jim, not really on topic but somethings been bugging me and wasn't sure how to get it to your attention, so I'll just post it here.

The whole recent sex toy thing in your videos. I thought your show was about video games. I don't see what sex toys and gaming really have in common. Now that doesn't mean I'm offended by you showing or talking about them, in fact I find the whole thing incredibly hilarious. And the mention of the Dragon tongue dil informed me that there was an entire subculture I had no idea existed. Kind of blew my mind. However just like the whole floppy giant tits in Dragon's Crown controversy where although I'm not offended by them, someone else probably is, maybe you should start looking at the whole dildo thing in the same light. Again while I'm not bothered by them I'd be willing to bet there are other viewers who find them unsettling or even embarrassing and maybe we should think of their feelings.

Now I'm not saying you shouldn't be talking about them at all, just that maybe Jim Quisition isn't the proper place for them. Heck it could be a start of a whole new segment for you here. Something like Jim's Wacky Dildo Discoveries Of The Week or something.

Felt a bit confrontational given I've been gone for the week!

I'm really rather surprised this is a thing.

I mean, sure, I didn't think much of DA2's story. But, jesus.

It wasn't -that- bad.

Holy shit, Jim: nice rant.

Honestly, I think it's a bigger problem than self-entitled gamers being little twats to developers. I think it's this generation Z+1 or whatever the Hell they're calling themselves these days. They seem extremely self-entitled about damn near anything, and I think it has a lot to do with how they're too used to abusing Internet anonymity.

Dollars to donuts, whoever made this death threat was probably 14 years old, or less, but what can you expect to do about it when there's billions of people in the planet? Your email box is bound to get a ugly little deposit of some of those little brats' brainless rage.

The only real solution I could think is to empower our cops to do something about it. Because, last I checked, death threats are serious business, and the only thing stopping law enforcement from tracing the IP address right back to the point of origin is too many death threats, too little manpower.

Should I make videos speaking out about public nudity, and why it's wrong?

What the fuck is this? MAYBE 1% of the people watching this badmouth developers. and 1% of that crowd might escalate to death threats. I guarantee Ben Affleck, and Zack Snyder are receiving more death threats than the entire game development community has ever received..every hour, on the hour right now. That film, for better or worse is still gonna happen boys.

Next week on Jimquisition: Drink you milk, love your mother, and go to school!

DirkDeadeye:
MAYBE 1% of the people watching this badmouth developers. and 1% of that crowd might escalate to death threats.

This isn't about yelling at idiots that make these threats. Well, okay, yes it is, but it isn't ONLY about that. It's about a gaming community that seems to accept this as the norm. Posts like yours, which belittle it and make it sound like it's not an issue make it that much easier for this sort of idiocy to continue. Sure, YOU'RE not making those retarded posts, and you'd never consider it. But saying it's not an issue means it's that much easier for the slime that do make them.

And no, when movie actors get death threats, that tends to make the news.

I think phil fish shouldn't have used social media, whats the point?

uanime5:

Vicioussama:
What the fuck is wrong with some people. Sending threats like that to her... I hope they got legal trouble on their ass. Scare the little shits.

You do realise you're also threatening people, which makes you as bad as them.

I'm always amazed that people who condemn violence seem to believe that that it's acceptable when they're inflicting this violence.

As someone already pointed out, hoping for legal action doesn't mean I want violence upon them.

Watching this video feels like Jim ranting at me for the actions of the actions of some stupid trolls I'd kick in the fork if I could. Try directing your rage better Jim. :P

To be honest, I was unimpressed by this episode. These feel like things that go without saying, and I honestly don't believe that the sort of behaviour described is the sort of behaviour displayed by people who view this show. I like you best when you pick on something that lots of people try to justify; I don't see many developer death threat apologists.

Toilet:
The only difference between video games and any other entertainment industry is how the creators are so quick to shift blame to the consumer. People don't like your product? Clearly they're arrogant entitled children, they're the ones at fault. You aren't to blame at all despite having worse business practices than any other entertainment medium.

I'm going to go ahead and assume you're being glib. As you evidently find it fitting to both name yourself toilet and use a picture of a toilet as your avatar, I'd say glibness is your forte here in the forums. That or you genuinely believe death and rape threats are fitting for choosing to buy a video game you don't like.

Toilet:
arrogant entitled children

Interesting choice of words.

I honestly don't believe that the sort of behaviour described is the sort of behaviour displayed by people who view this show

On the contrary: Judging by how desperate many comments try to pretend the issue isn't an issue, judging by how fervently they cry that Jim DARED to address the issue, it's blatantly obvious that Jim was right in making this episode.

Jimothy Sterling:
I'm Going To Murder Your Children

If your first response to a game creator doing something you dislike is to get personal with them and threaten their families, you waive any righteousness you might have had. Seems like a no-brainer ... yet so few of us seem to have brains.

Watch Video

Indeed !
It seems like kids today have no respect for persons,property or just for being decent .
and let's be honest here : It's mostly teenagers who make threats and send verbal abuse to people who disagree with them .
It just shows in what kind of state kids grow up in now .
But can we really be surprised ? When mom and dad work all day and kids are raised by TV and internet ?
In the end it comes down to what we , as a society accept from our kids . As parents , teachers and community we need to get back to bringing back some value's and rules .
I , am amazed at what i hear kids say to their parents nowadays ! It starts as soon as kindergarten , all you have to do is go to the nearest school and listen and watch .
And you now we are in a world of shit !
Thank god there are also people who know how to bring them up right !

Jimothy Sterling:
I'm Going To Murder Your Children

If your first response to a game creator doing something you dislike is to get personal with them and threaten their families, you waive any righteousness you might have had. Seems like a no-brainer ... yet so few of us seem to have brains.

Watch Video

Indeed !
It seems like kids today have no respect for persons,property or just for being decent .
and let's be honest here : It's mostly teenagers who make threats and send verbal abuse to people who disagree with them .
It just shows in what kind of state kids grow up in now .
But can we really be surprised ? When mom and dad work all day and kids are raised by TV and internet ?
In the end it comes down to what we , as a society accept from our kids . As parents , teachers and community we need to get back to bringing back some value's and rules .
I , am amazed at what i hear kids say to their parents nowadays ! It starts as soon as kindergarten , all you have to do is go to the nearest school and listen and watch .
And you now we are in a world of shit !
Thank god there are also people who know how to bring them up right !

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