Jimquisition: I'm Going To Murder Your Children

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IKWerewolf:

jluzar20:
Is it just me, or has Jim's episodes been less and less entertaining and more brow beating over time? Nothing better than being called a "sick fuck" when this was the first I've heard of the Dragon Age lady thing.

Yeah, I know he's not calling me a sick fuck personally, but white knights always leave a bitter taste in my mouth. Especially so when you chastise a crowd in order to speak to a few. Shoulda stuck to the dildo, Jim.

Unfortunately whether we like it or not, this vocal minority is the reason why gaming as an industry is not entirely taken seriously. We can attack the developers as much as we like about their decisions and how they are ruining the industry but there is this vocal minority that can dictate through threat and abuse the way people operate like school yard bullies, it is this sort of attitude that will force us back to this topic again and again.

I'm actually surprised Police forces have not made arrests; as far I was aware death threats are a criminal offence?

Freedom of speech. If no evidence can be produced that someone has both the motivation and means to execute their claim, the comment is disregarded under first amendment protection and is not to be prosecuted as a criminal offense. Internet comments especially are not given much weight since the gap between claims and action is so wide.

Fun fact.

TWEWYFan:

Legion:

The idea that gaming as a hobby might have something to do with this is no different from the people who blame rock music for causing drug addiction and violent media for causing mass shootings.

No, I agree with you there. Like I said, the game culture is by and large a good thing but it's bad that these monsters have taken up residence.

I agree, and it definitely makes gaming a lot more pleasant as a hobby. I stopped going on the Bioware forums because of the sheer amount of bile and hatred on there. Hell, sometimes being on here has been enough to almost put me off getting into gaming discussion and I have never had any personal attacks. The anger people seem to feel over games is honestly quite disturbing. Although this also extends to people discussing anime, films and music, which is what I was getting at really. Nasty people are unfortunately everywhere.

Phasmal:
I do think it reflects badly on gamers when our collective response to a person in the industry being harassed is kind of `Well, they had [x opinion] what do they expect?`.

It does concern me how many people seem to genuinely think that is an okay response. Although not many people seem to be discussing that while the internet does have free speech, it is not exempt from the law in regards to making threats or harassment. It is surprising how many people do not seem to understand that just because you are not face to face with somebody that such behaviour doesn't miraculously become acceptable. Granted, it does mean that the threats are significantly more likely to be hollow, but that doesn't change the way the person on the receiving end is going to feel, because for all they know, it could be a genuine threat.

This could have something more to do with internet culture in general, but I don't think it's a coincidence that it happens in gaming so much.

I wouldn't say it is a coincidence that we hear about it so much because we are all gamers and follow gaming news. The same way that if we followed the British media everyday we'd all be convinced that Muslim terrorists are waiting to bomb us at any given moment. When the media becomes saturated with a certain topic it is very difficult not to see it as being everywhere and significantly more common than it is.

Don't get me wrong, there are far too many people who play games with this kind of behaviour, but I don't think there is anything about gaming that "causes" it. I do not think "gamer culture" itself makes such behaviour seem acceptable, because I see such attitudes amongst all kinds of groups. The only groups I don't tend to hear about it from are the ones I have no interest or part of, and I don't think that is a coincidence.

uanime5:
I suspect Jim fails to provide a reason why the topic was changed because he doesn't have a real reason. He could have easily ignored these threats and talked about his DLC topic as planned, so his attempts to blame this on other people is somewhat immature.

Jim also ignores that Hepler was responsible for writing the story for Dragon Age 2 so she was responsible for many of the things that were wrong with it; specifically the bad story and inconsistent characters. The fact that Jim seems to believe that Hepler was being abused for being creative, rather being than utterly inept and writing terrible stories, just shows that he hasn't bothered to research why people didn't like her. Jim's attempts to deify Hepler to hide his white knighting isn't fooling anyone.

I doubt Hepler's departure will discourage those with talent from writing for games, mainly because those with talent tend to be praised rather than scorned. It's only the utterly inept and entitled writers who expect everyone to love their stories, no matter how badly written these stories are, who get condemned by the majority of gamers. Here's hoping that gamers continue to criticise inept writers that produce bad stories, which ruin popular franchises.

Finally it's funny how Jim is always harping on about how developers should be able to make the games they want but keeps condemning people for giving honest opinions about just how bad these games are.

Who gives a fuck whether people like her or not or why.

The Episode was about entitled shits threatening her children, no one is entitled to do that. Funny how you ignore that elephant in the room

Muspelheim:

Brian Tams:
And yet Gamers throw a hissy fit when the media brands us as psychotic mass-murderers waiting to happen.

Gee, I wonder why. Can't possibly be all the death threats we tend to throw at developers we hate, now can it?

Presumable response:

raaaaaaagh your just paintign us with the same burhs how dare you were not all the same and im going to find you i are an veteran in gorilla warfare

Et cetera.

The bad press certainly exist for a reason. Yes, being judged by the actions of someone you don't approve of or agree with in any way is very frustrating. But then again, the approval of mass media might not always be as important as mass media would like to think. What matters is that the people who do act like decent people continue to do that, and call out the people that don't when they act in ways that are unacceptable.

Even if that does risk you being labeled as a white knight. There are much worse things to be called.

Vareoth:
Came for the lecture, staying for the dildo. I wonder if he got it in a fancy colour...

For some reason, I imagine it's leopard spotted. I don't know why.

It wouldnt be a good jimquisition episode if it didnt somehow feature dildos most likely shaped like horse genitals, leopard spotted and tasting of blueberry, and only used in the most homoerotic ways possible.

Everyone wants to cum inside Jim Sterling

jluzar20:

IKWerewolf:

jluzar20:
Is it just me, or has Jim's episodes been less and less entertaining and more brow beating over time? Nothing better than being called a "sick fuck" when this was the first I've heard of the Dragon Age lady thing.

Yeah, I know he's not calling me a sick fuck personally, but white knights always leave a bitter taste in my mouth. Especially so when you chastise a crowd in order to speak to a few. Shoulda stuck to the dildo, Jim.

Unfortunately whether we like it or not, this vocal minority is the reason why gaming as an industry is not entirely taken seriously. We can attack the developers as much as we like about their decisions and how they are ruining the industry but there is this vocal minority that can dictate through threat and abuse the way people operate like school yard bullies, it is this sort of attitude that will force us back to this topic again and again.

I'm actually surprised Police forces have not made arrests; as far I was aware death threats are a criminal offence?

Freedom of speech. If no evidence can be produced that someone has both the motivation and means to execute their claim, the comment is disregarded under first amendment protection and is not to be prosecuted as a criminal offense. Internet comments especially are not given much weight since the gap between claims and action is so wide.

Fun fact.

Which is both fair enough and also kinda bullshit since i know how flimsy and vague internet "laws" are in reality but, yeah that doesnt make it any more ok and certainly doesnt protect it under "Lol freedom of speech, first amendment, lol murrikans"

Not in my eyes anyway but, obviously you dont hold the same opinion so...yeah :L

This is the internet. If you read youtube comments far enough your children will always be threatened and your kittens have already been roasted in a pie 100 times over while their soft kitten fur has been formed into the most eloquent of socks for the enlightened despot on the go. Joking aside, I'm more than a little shocked that people are still surprised by the crazy things people say online.

I get that these internet f-wads (greater internet f-wad theory, of course) go too far. I mean, you can't go lower than threatening the lives of children. But such is the nature of the beast that is relative anonymity + an audience and a general lack of repercussion. If you're going to read the youtube comments then that's what you're going to see and you shouldn't be shocked when things go south fast.

My only hope is that these people weren't as anonymous as they led themselves to believe. I'd like to see the poeple who step over the line to the point of threatening little children get caught and then actually get held accountable for their actions in a way that tells others that no one is as anonymous as they think. We do have rights (it seems) to privacy in a general sense, but we don't have a right to anonymity when we interact socially in ways that break the law.

Mr. Omega:

Retrograde:

Too bad you didn't feel the pressing need to stand up and be the hero we apparently needed when all the men you mentioned were getting threatened with death, but better late than never I guess.

Ahem...
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7831-Go-Fish

Try a little harder next time.

again: you're the only one here trying to make this about gender.

The feminist strawman is strong with this one.

Yeah that elephant in the room is starting to kind of smell by now...
Hey im not goku but im just saiyan, aight?

It boggles the mind how death threats can be the default expression of hatred for any individual. Who the hell raised you in such a way where that kind of language is even in your vocabulary?

It is very frustrating. I liked Fez, and deliberately bombarding Phil Fish out of the industry is of no help to anyone. Our gaming experiences are weaker without these visionaries, even if you don't like the individuals themselves. Now we're out of future games because of some jerks who wanted to harass an easy target. We've lost a lot of people in the industry due to harassment, and that's disgusting. I don't want the gaming scene to be reduced down to the dude-bro asshole demographic once everyone else flees the industry.

I don't know what we can do about it though. How can we shame these individuals who hide behind anonymity? They're a slight minority, and probably not watching these videos in the first place, but they're poisonous enough to still cause great damage.

It was really weird to me that Hepler got a lot of the blame though. She wasn't the one who decided to change the combat and have the game released in under a year of development as far as I know. If there was any problem with the writing, I would blame those who decided that an unfinished product was okay to release.

Retrograde:

TWEWYFan:
I'm with you here Jim. I don't care what someone thinks a person did to them, threatening that person's kids is just completely unacceptable and I think it does paint a very dark picture of the current game culture.

How? How does this represent me and other gamers? And yeah I am gonna take it personally. You're gonna slag off a group to which I proudly belong so fuck it, might as well have a pop at someone who can take it. Go on. How does this run off on me or anyone other than the assholes personally responsible?

Did you know that crazy One Direction fans stalk the mothers of the band just in case the boys ever visit their parents and send real death threats to real people for the crime of going out with a member of a boyband that they happen to love?

Does that paint a very dark picture of current gamer culture of music culture, or does it rather just make individual crazy bitches look crazy?

Yes. Yes it does reflect on gamers, because we should be better

We should be better because we are. We're not rabid acolytes of the flavor-of-the-month pop musician. We're not fundamentalists of ancient, backwards politics. We're the culture of the most advanced & promising art form in the known universe

Act like it

uanime5:
I suspect Jim fails to provide a reason why the topic was changed because he doesn't have a real reason. He could have easily ignored these threats and talked about his DLC topic as planned, so his attempts to blame this on other people is somewhat immature.

Jim also ignores that Hepler was responsible for writing the story for Dragon Age 2 so she was responsible for many of the things that were wrong with it; specifically the bad story and inconsistent characters. The fact that Jim seems to believe that Hepler was being abused for being creative, rather being than utterly inept and writing terrible stories, just shows that he hasn't bothered to research why people didn't like her. Jim's attempts to deify Hepler to hide his white knighting isn't fooling anyone.

I doubt Hepler's departure will discourage those with talent from writing for games, mainly because those with talent tend to be praised rather than scorned. It's only the utterly inept and entitled writers who expect everyone to love their stories, no matter how badly written these stories are, who get condemned by the majority of gamers. Here's hoping that gamers continue to criticise inept writers that produce bad stories, which ruin popular franchises.

Finally it's funny how Jim is always harping on about how developers should be able to make the games they want but keeps condemning people for giving honest opinions about just how bad these games are.

Yeah, I don't buy that at all. There's a difference between saying "I'm sorry, this game was really bad, you need to do better" and "I'm going to murder your children because this game was bad." There is a massive, god damn difference between the two. I have no idea where you got the idea that Jim was trying to get people to stop criticizing games, when he was focusing on death threats.

Genocidicles:
I thought the hate she got was because she suggested that games should have less gameplay for people who find them difficult, and not the quality of her writing?

Eh, im sure there are lots of reason to hate or dislike this person in reality but none which actually justifies deaththreats, none that i can find anyway, i would be very surprised if presented with one....

Jim, I agree with you 100%. I hate being in the minority who keeps losing out on game experiences I could enjoy because of a collection of whiny little bastards with no comprehension of what they're saying or doing. These people are ruining gaming by being the very thing that EA and the like want to cater for with the same old annually released rubbish.

Why can't I have City of Heroes? Because it's not like WoW, apparently. Why couldn't Halo stick closer to Halo: Reach game play style with a chance to explore both sides of the Human/Covenant war? Because it's not all Master Chief plenty of people cried.

Lets not forget that these people don't just exist within gaming, but it seems this is where they're at their most vocal and powerful. By all means we have the right to complain and point out flaws, but fucking hell, screaming 'you're shit, you should die and I'll kill you myself' is not fucking criticism!

Zachary Amaranth:
This has nothing to do with difference, Jim. The CoD patch was boilerplate stuff for gaming. While I don't know specifically what Hepler wrote in the Dragon Age series, nothing there was really different. Phil Fish is only "different" in the sense that he's a jackass who tells people to kill themselves because he can dish out "harsh truths" but is too delicate to handle them thrown back.

And even then, that seems to be the gamer in a nutshell. People who demand everyone else grow thicker skin but who themselves are so fucking fragile that they will fly off the handle when it affects them.

Hepler is just a figurehead for "things I don't like." The same with the PR guys for the Xbone. The same with the guy who had the odious duty of detailing a patch to the CoD community.

And yes, it's damn disgusting. But I don't think it's right to attribute this to daring to be different. One of your primary examples comes from a Call of Duty game. Dragon Age isn't exactly groundbreaking material, either.

Note that absolutely none of that justifies threats, either. I don't buy into the "it's the internet" mentality and I hope I never will. I'm not sure what's worse--that some people fins this okay or that more people actually seem to justify it.

This.

Phil fish abused the people who bought his game. He goes on to believe he is the second coming of christ, and yet when people call him out on his bullshit he cries more than a newborn.

Phil fish is not some persecuted indie. He brought that very persecution onto himself the moment he told his customers to suck his dick and die. You NEVER do that in any business.

You can't run a business by being rude to every fucking person who comes near you or supports you, you are not some need-to-know big shot. You can't bad mouth your customers and then your investors. Even big companies like walmart wouldn't pull that shit. Its bad business.

There is no defense for Phil Fish. He brought the backlash on himself because of own fucking arrogance and his own bad attitude to the very people who give him money. Trying to Defend phil Fish is like trying to defend EA games' awful attitude.

You don't kill the golden goose, and you don't bite the hand that feeds you while shitting where you eat. Phil Fish didn't realize that and got more than he could handle. Its his fault. Phil Fish would have been defended if he kept his damn mouth shut, but phil had to go be a jackass and now everyone piled on him and now he is crying.

No tears are shed if Phil got his feelings hurt. You don't cross the line phil fish did and expect to still be in the right.

You can't also equate phil to anyone else in the episode. I have yet to see comments by Dragon Age's writer that was actively hostile to absolutely everyone. She, as far as I know, was minding her own business. Phil Fish actively went around starting fights.

Creative paragon? We don't NEED more Phil Fishes. We don't NEED to put up with this constant disdain and arrogance. There are creative and humble people who contributed way more than Phil Fish has. We don't need more toxic, insecure bastards running around the industry. We already have enough as it is.

Creativity does not come at a cost of toxicity. So we cannot excuse people for being toxic because they are creative and that's how it goes. If that was the case, the people who made Xeno clash would be the most toxic individual alive.

Oh wait they are not, even when Xenoclash has more creativity in its opening sequence than anything Phil Fish has done and ever will do.

You can be creative without being a knob end. We don't need an asshole for good ideas, nor should we make the industry that much more toxic. We shouldn't be excusing assholes because they are "creative." Creativity does not come at a cost of toxicity. Many indie devs have made that abundantly clear.

TheSniperFan:
Please don't generalize, I know society does, but you don't need to.

Yeah, sorry about that. I never explicitly mean to generalize an issue, but I guess I suck at formulating my opinions.

Let's just hope the concerned people grow up. Although, judging by your embedded video, some of 'em probably won't ever change. It's disheartening - and it's one of the reasons why I never play co-op shooters like Left 4 Dead or Payday with pubbers.

Co-operation implies that a certain amount of trust exists between the involved parties, and it's easier to trust someone whom you've known from the tail end of elementary all the way through to your first professional tribulations. :)

Well, congratulations, vocal minority, you've done it again.

chiefohara:
The Episode was about entitled shits threatening her children, no one is entitled to do that. Funny how you ignore that elephant in the room

It started that way, but it's hard to say that was the conclusion Jim came to by the end of it. Partway through it spirals into pointing the finger at gamers for accepting call of duty brown'n'grey FPS clones because we're apparently scaring off all of the creative, brilliant, paragons of game creation.

Dragon Age 2 wasn't particularly good for a lot of reasons. Hepler's criticism started when she complained about having to play videogames to experience the story. No, this doesn't make the death threats and wishing bodily harm on children okay. No one is saying that. No sane person believes that. Sociopathic, hormone addled, poorly raised children may try to justify that, but the point is that, in some specific cases, there is some REASON amongst all the hate. Hepler was criticized quite fairly for the poor quality of her work and her design philosophy. Just because someone said they want her dead, doesn't make her an angel who was martyred for the sins of *ENTITLED* gamers.

RobotDinosaur:
At the risk of exposing myself to an amount of stupid far above permissible exposure limits - is there a link to the original story? I'm wondering what exactly this writer said to provoke this, or if her only crime was having been a video game writer. And let me be perfectly clear, I'm just wanting to know more about this incident, there is absolutely nothing she might have said to justify this kind of treatment. Honestly, the regularity of these kinds of stories has gotten to the point that I'm kind of ashamed to video game as a hobby.

I think that she's the lead writer or something of Bioware so she's basically the one that "Made Dragon Age 2 suck". But I read something about a 6 year old interview in which she said she didn't enjoy combat in game. http://metro.co.uk/2013/08/16/bioware-writer-quits-after-death-threats-to-family-3925970/ might help, even though I just read about it. I never pay too much attention to this kind of issue since I already think a there's a lot of retarded people out there.

Ultratwinkie:

Zachary Amaranth:
This has nothing to do with difference, Jim. The CoD patch was boilerplate stuff for gaming. While I don't know specifically what Hepler wrote in the Dragon Age series, nothing there was really different. Phil Fish is only "different" in the sense that he's a jackass who tells people to kill themselves because he can dish out "harsh truths" but is too delicate to handle them thrown back.

And even then, that seems to be the gamer in a nutshell. People who demand everyone else grow thicker skin but who themselves are so fucking fragile that they will fly off the handle when it affects them.

Hepler is just a figurehead for "things I don't like." The same with the PR guys for the Xbone. The same with the guy who had the odious duty of detailing a patch to the CoD community.

And yes, it's damn disgusting. But I don't think it's right to attribute this to daring to be different. One of your primary examples comes from a Call of Duty game. Dragon Age isn't exactly groundbreaking material, either.

Note that absolutely none of that justifies threats, either. I don't buy into the "it's the internet" mentality and I hope I never will. I'm not sure what's worse--that some people fins this okay or that more people actually seem to justify it.

This.

Phil fish abused the people who bought his game. He goes on to believe he is the second coming of christ, and yet when people call him out on his bullshit he cries more than a newborn.

Phil fish is not some persecuted indie. He brought that very persecution onto himself the moment he told his customers to suck his dick and die. You NEVER do that in any business.

You can't run a business by being rude to every fucking person who comes near you or supports you, you are not some need-to-know big shot. You can't bad mouth your customers and then your investors. Even big companies like walmart wouldn't pull that shit. Its bad business.

There is no defense for Phil Fish. He brought the backlash on himself because of own fucking arrogance and his own bad attitude to the very people who give him money. Trying to Defend phil Fish is like trying to defend EA games' awful attitude.

You don't kill the golden goose, and you don't bite the hand that feeds you while shitting where you eat. Phil Fish didn't realize that and got more than he could handle. Its his fault. Phil Fish would have been defended if he kept his damn mouth shut, but phil had to go be a jackass and now everyone piled on him and now he is crying.

No tears are shed if Phil got his feelings hurt. You don't cross the line phil fish did and expect to still be in the right.

You can't also equate phil to anyone else in the episode. I have yet to see comments by Dragon Age's writer that was actively hostile to absolutely everyone. She, as far as I know, was minding her own business. Phil Fish actively went around starting fights.

Yes i will take a Phil Fish n Chips with a cold Markus Beer please.

This.

Then again i dont think death threats are justified in any sense, even if it is towards Phil Fish who..yknow..he himself actually went on to say "kill yourself" on twitter, and no i dont care for the fact that it was a futurama quote i just care for the fact that he is a complete cunt :L

Zachary Amaranth:
This has nothing to do with difference, Jim. The CoD patch was boilerplate stuff for gaming. While I don't know specifically what Hepler wrote in the Dragon Age series, nothing there was really different. Phil Fish is only "different" in the sense that he's a jackass who tells people to kill themselves because he can dish out "harsh truths" but is too delicate to handle them thrown back.

And even then, that seems to be the gamer in a nutshell. People who demand everyone else grow thicker skin but who themselves are so fucking fragile that they will fly off the handle when it affects them.

Wait, so you're the guy who threw around the Phil Fish video in my direction as evidence that one of my points was invalid, but then you turn around and ignore that very video by saying he needs to grow a thicker skin, and you justify the attacks made at him, but then turn around and lambast people for justifying attacks?

Wow.

maybe we should have drivers licenses for the internet...

IamLEAM1983:

TheSniperFan:
Please don't generalize, I know society does, but you don't need to.

Yeah, sorry about that. I never explicitly mean to generalize an issue, but I guess I suck at formulating my opinions.

Let's just hope the concerned people grow up. Although, judging by your embedded video, some of 'em probably won't ever change. It's disheartening - and it's one of the reasons why I never play co-op shooters like Left 4 Dead or Payday with pubbers.

Co-operation implies that a certain amount of trust exists between the involved parties, and it's easier to trust someone whom you've known from the tail end of elementary all the way through to your first professional tribulations. :)

Hey, far as i know, broader strokes paint the fence faster.
It may not be justified or exactly the right thing to do but hey, it creates traffic, generates headlines and gives delicious DOSH

Some prick has insulted someone on the internet. In other news: water is still wet. More after these commercials.

Seriously, those were probably just a few stupid teenagers who will just get even more laughs out of this the more angry you become at them, and the more you give them any attention.

[sarcasm] To quote a wise man: "Just let it go. It'll be over soon." [/sarcasm]

Retrograde:

Zachary Amaranth:
This has nothing to do with difference, Jim. The CoD patch was boilerplate stuff for gaming. While I don't know specifically what Hepler wrote in the Dragon Age series, nothing there was really different. Phil Fish is only "different" in the sense that he's a jackass who tells people to kill themselves because he can dish out "harsh truths" but is too delicate to handle them thrown back.

And even then, that seems to be the gamer in a nutshell. People who demand everyone else grow thicker skin but who themselves are so fucking fragile that they will fly off the handle when it affects them.

Wait, so you're the guy who threw around the Phil Fish video in my direction as evidence that one of my points was invalid, but then you turn around and ignore that very video by saying he needs to grow a thicker skin, and you justify the attacks made at him, but then turn around and lambast people for justifying attacks?

Wow.

The contradictions are strong with this one.

I for one dont think its justifiable in any case regardless of Phil Fish is a huge smelly cunt

Zombie_Moogle:

Yes. Yes it does reflect on gamers, because we should be better

We should be better because we are. We're not rabid acolytes of the flavor-of-the-month pop musician. We're not fundamentalists of ancient, backwards politics. We're the culture of the most advanced & promising art form in the known universe

Act like it

Honest Injun here, this is as direct and tone free as it can be I assure you. Are you being funny here? This post is humourous, right?

proghead:
Some prick has insulted someone on the internet. In other news: water is still wet. More after these commercials.

Just wanted to say that it's rare and quite astonishing when the content of someones post and their avatar are so in sync...

"Oh no, lets defend this behaviour! We gamers can't have change for the better, we need to be scum! We need to abuse people and defending the abusal of others because I was once bullied as a kid!"

Pretty much the whole gaming culture.

Monxeroth:

jluzar20:

IKWerewolf:

Unfortunately whether we like it or not, this vocal minority is the reason why gaming as an industry is not entirely taken seriously. We can attack the developers as much as we like about their decisions and how they are ruining the industry but there is this vocal minority that can dictate through threat and abuse the way people operate like school yard bullies, it is this sort of attitude that will force us back to this topic again and again.

I'm actually surprised Police forces have not made arrests; as far I was aware death threats are a criminal offence?

Freedom of speech. If no evidence can be produced that someone has both the motivation and means to execute their claim, the comment is disregarded under first amendment protection and is not to be prosecuted as a criminal offense. Internet comments especially are not given much weight since the gap between claims and action is so wide.

Fun fact.

Which is both fair enough and also kinda bullshit since i know how flimsy and vague internet "laws" are in reality but, yeah that doesnt make it any more ok and certainly doesnt protect it under "Lol freedom of speech, first amendment, lol murrikans"

Not in my eyes anyway but, obviously you dont hold the same opinion so...yeah :L

Pretty much. I'm in agreement that these people are douches, but not in anything else. Law is law, no matter how you try to conceptualize it. When you put your name out there, people are going to respond. If you don't want the comments, don't put your name out there. I really do wish this wasn't the case, but it's just how the world works.

Retrograde:

Zachary Amaranth:
This has nothing to do with difference, Jim. The CoD patch was boilerplate stuff for gaming. While I don't know specifically what Hepler wrote in the Dragon Age series, nothing there was really different. Phil Fish is only "different" in the sense that he's a jackass who tells people to kill themselves because he can dish out "harsh truths" but is too delicate to handle them thrown back.

And even then, that seems to be the gamer in a nutshell. People who demand everyone else grow thicker skin but who themselves are so fucking fragile that they will fly off the handle when it affects them.

Wait, so you're the guy who threw around the Phil Fish video in my direction as evidence that one of my points was invalid, but then you turn around and ignore that very video by saying he needs to grow a thicker skin, and you justify the attacks made at him, but then turn around and lambast people for justifying attacks?

Wow.

Given the Phil Fish video is a simple counter-point to your prior statement about "making big deelz for gurls" , I don't think there's quite as much to it as you want to believe. He doesn't have to agree with the video outside of just providing Jim's point of view.

Either way, go on with... Whatever. I'll come back in a couple of hours to see some more of whatever this thread is becoming.

Retrograde:
A woman is threatened on the internet in a grossly disproportionate manner. I was wondering when we'd have a brouhaha about how some stupid people doing stupid people shit and one/some woman/women taking it all too seriously means that gaming is sexist and we're sexist.

BRB, gotta flaggelate.

And in case you're wondering, no I didn't watch past the first minute or so, there really isn't a need to at this point.

Lady Victim, evil sexists, misogyny, gaming needs to change, THE ISSUE, etc.

Edit: Well blow me down, I've since been convinced to watch the video and while the basis of the whole thing has only happened because someone thought it was acceptable to lay into a woman, the content itself managed to subvert expectations. Good work Jim I guess.

Too bad you didn't feel the pressing need to stand up and be the hero we apparently needed when all the men you mentioned were getting threatened with death, but better late than never I guess.

You must not watch Jim very often. He did something similar just two weeks ago on Phil Fish

So umm NO He doesn't just rush to the defense of women, he defends PEOPLE

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I am sorry that she didn't really seem to enjoy games themselves. I know what it's like to work in an industry and not like parts of it... in fact I'll bet there are a lot of people who have to put up with stuff they don't like, to do what they do like.

The death threat stuff is saddening, but irrelevant to her employment, or so she said long ago. But it totally does make for a horrible work environment, I'll wager. And is childish and mean.

...

You know what? I just realized I don't have a lot to contribute to this, aside from feeling reflexively like I had to say something, to defend myself from Jim's 'counter attack' on gamers. Which might not have been directed at me personally, but sure felt like it, as opposed to unconcerned, small-minded trolls. From years ago.

... humph.

That dildo better be like a drum barrel with a beach ball on it. With dragon wings.

Bruce:

uanime5:
I suspect Jim fails to provide a reason why the topic was changed because he doesn't have a real reason. He could have easily ignored these threats and talked about his DLC topic as planned, so his attempts to blame this on other people is somewhat immature.

Jim also ignores that Hepler was responsible for writing the story for Dragon Age 2 so she was responsible for many of the things that were wrong with it; specifically the bad story and inconsistent characters. The fact that Jim seems to believe that Hepler was being abused for being creative, rather being than utterly inept and writing terrible stories, just shows that he hasn't bothered to research why people didn't like her. Jim's attempts to deify Hepler to hide his white knighting isn't fooling anyone.

He doesn't ignore it because it wasn't the case. Hepler was a senior writer, not the lead writer. She would likely have written a few sidequests and characters, but the lead writer, who was responsible for the main plot, was David Gaider.

Does it really matter what Hepler was or what shitty story she was responsible for? The point is she was threatened and games industry lost another key contributor.

I dont condone the threats made against her, but i will not say that im sorry that she left the gaming industry.

Not because shes a mediocre writer, but because she has gone on record saying that games would be better if they removed interactivity.

Which begs the question, why get into an industry focused on interactive entertainment, if you want to minimise the interactivity? Why not write books, movie scripts or TV shows?

Monxeroth:

Bad yes but inevitable.
Short answer: Because democracy
Long answer: If we have to have an inclusive and appealing community like we say we do then we have to deal with the fact that since we let everyone in on the same terms, not everyone is gonna want to exist within the community on the same terms and will break rules and will behave in a toxic way to ruin it for everyone, because we seriously shouldnt censor them or just delete, ban or run the community with an iron fist. Its not ok or right to call someone a retarded monkey with downs syndrome on the web but neither should it be illegal, and for those who say that we should make some thing illegal, most of them already are. It is illegal to make death threats in any format, it is already illegal in some countries to use racial terms on the internet and such, we already have the tools for that. What we dont have the tools for it seems in most gaming communities, are the tools to combat the toxic people who may not break the rules but are disruptive towards other members of it.
Toxicity should be punished i believe and it should be mocked and frowned up, but then at the same time we also have to highlight as many good things as possible about the personalities in the community who do behave in an exemplary way.

I think that's a pretty good perspective to take on this, especially with such a tricky issue.

Jimothy Sterling:
I'm Going To Murder Your Children

If your first response to a game creator doing something you dislike is to get personal with them and threaten their families, you waive any righteousness you might have had. Seems like a no-brainer ... yet so few of us seem to have brains.

Watch Video

I think it's also worth pointing out what's happening with the media shitstorm over ask.fm and twitter in regards to abuse. If we let people continue threatening and bullying others on the internet we will get regulation, restrictions, monitoring and all sorts of other shit. Now some may not care, others might welcome it but we will say goodbye to a lot of the freedom we have been afforded if we continue letting a few idiots behave like this without being shunned, ignored and told to effectively piss off.

I mean look at what Mr Cameron is trying to get ISP's to do, install filters at network level to filter all adult content by default. Adult content includes anything pornographic, violent and "extreme political views". The internet and any regulation won't be decided by a group of tech savvy, veteran forum users. It will be decided by middle aged politicians who may or may not have a clue about how to even install an ad blocker.

In my book any form of death threat whether it's to the person you are talking to or their wider family/friends is unacceptable and crossing the line. If we don't remove these pests then someone else will and I guarantee they will not have your best interests at heart.

jluzar20:

Yeah, I know he's not calling me a sick fuck personally, but white knights always leave a bitter taste in my mouth.

Oh look, another guy who didn't watch the video.

He can't really be a white knight when he also mentioned the men getting death threats as well (one of whom, Phil Fish, had gotten an entire episode from Jim himself), eh?

Winnosh:

You must not watch Jim very often. He did something similar just two weeks ago on Phil Fish

So umm NO He doesn't just rush to the defense of women, he defends PEOPLE

I did indeed see that, and you're right, he did do that video that one time about a culture of men taking shit to breaking point and then being criticised when they break and having nobody to turn to and it can be a nightmare at times, spoken from his personal experience of years of the shit.

And then it happened to a woman once. And then she quit because of an unrelated reason, and now Jim has donned his Guyver suit and gone to fucking town because sometimes people push things too damn far and it's time to take out the trash.

But as many have said these things aren't at all connected and I should stop connecting them, cause that's bad.

I'll also ignore all his writings and all his other videos.

Fact is, I watch Jim a lot. Too much, clearly, because my opinion of him when it comes to things such as this is very well defined at this point, and it was a genuine surprise. Normally Jim and the rest of Dtoid are right up there with total turd drops like RPS and Kotaku for this shit, and lets not kid ourselves otherwise eh?

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