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So a radical feminist is anyone who believes in patriarchy? Ok fine, I don't like them too much either. I think that whole theory brings nothing of value to discussion since it's so easily used a vague cop-out/scapegoat. Often times I'll hear them say something like "that bias against men exists because of patriarchy, buy our feminist war bonds against the evil patriarchy if you want to help men".

I am pretty this guy but instead of saying "radical feminist", I'd say "feminist who are dicks about it"
No pun intended.
Funny strip btw

hazabaza1:
So is The Escapist just going "hey guys we need more traffic, make stuff that's guaranteed to create arguments" to their content creators now?

Aww, fuck it, I will bite.

You know, I cannot from any real perspective see how this comic will create an argument. It is quite simply pointing out that "Radical" in this particular context does not mean what many attribute it to mean. I see no issue.

I mean, I am a radical communist, an incredibly INCREDIBLY Orthodox radical communist. So... Yeah.

Uh... There is nothing much else to say. I believe you are incorrect in believing that this particular comic is guaranteed to create an argument, more so than any thread on this site at least.

Now, if we wanted a comic that could create an argument AND make a decent point, how about we run one on how the Patriarchy is incredibly damaging to men as well as women, particularly with the ridiculous, and many times utterly contradictory, ways men are expected to act (Violent, Gentle, Predator, Kind blah blah blah). That would be fun. That would create an argument. That would be guarunteed to get lots and lots of hits, with even more hits when the death threats start to roll in and the site becomes a self-referential shitstorm, much like the BBC when the BBC reports on issues within the BBC.

Man, that was an offtopic mini rant.

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Father Time:
So a radical feminist is anyone who believes in patriarchy? Ok fine, I don't like them too much either. I think that whole theory brings nothing of value to discussion since it's so easily used a vague cop-out/scapegoat. Often times I'll hear them say something like "that bias against men exists because of patriarchy, buy our feminist war bonds against the evil patriarchy if you want to help men".

Hello you.

You know, I had just joked in the main body of my post about how the patriarchy damages men. About how it is far more complex than people seem to think and how it is not a one way "Woman Hating" street. Its not really a copout.

This is why we cannot have pretty things.

MinionJoe:
Let's start with the Webster definitions for 'radical'.

Definition of RADICAL
1
: of, relating to, or proceeding from a root: as
a (1) : of or growing from the root of a plant <radical tubers> (2) : growing from the base of a stem, from a rootlike stem, or from a stem that does not rise above the ground <radical leaves>
b : of, relating to, or constituting a linguistic root
c : of or relating to a mathematical root
d : designed to remove the root of a disease or all diseased and potentially diseased tissue <radical surgery> <radical mastectomy>
2
: of or relating to the origin : fundamental
3
a : very different from the usual or traditional : extreme
b : favoring extreme changes in existing views, habits, conditions, or institutions
c : associated with political views, practices, and policies of extreme change
d : advocating extreme measures to retain or restore a political state of affairs <the radical right>
4
slang : excellent, cool
- rad·i·cal·ness noun
See radical defined for English-language learners »
See radical defined for kids »

In most instances, it's definition 3 that's used when describing "radical" elements within a larger group, as these extreme elements do not adhere to the usual or median views of the main group.

Whenever I hear the term "radical feminism", I think back to a blog post from last year that proposed an "International Castration Day." The original post has since been deleted, but there's still plenty of commentary on it out there.

http://grisham.newsvine.com/_news/2012/06/10/12147695-all-men-should-be-castrated-international-castration-day

It's the same things as the radical elements within a religious organization. You know, the ones willing to bomb abortion clinics.

Do "radical feminists" exist? Yes. Do they represent the main focus of the whole movement? No.

Does feminism stand to gain anything by trying to redefine what a radical feminist is? I don't think so.

I have a strange feeling the comments sections is about to become very interesting

OT: Every time I hear the words "radical feminist", I always flash back to one of my politics lectures were my lecturer showed us a picture on how she viewed radical feminism

I suppose it's easy to confuse the meaning of 'radical' when talking about feminism. After all, there was that point in the early twentieth century when they were technically terrorists.

Piorn:
It's easier to blame the "patriarchy", than to blame ourselves.
We like to think there is a shady council, with sinister looking men of power, secretly pulling the strings of the world and making all the bad things happen.
We do it al the time. We do it with Sexism, and we do it with Feminism.
It makes us feel comfortable, because we convince ourself that it's not our fault everything sucks.
That there is someone to blame.
But in reality, each of us is just one drop in an ocean of bad things, and all we can do is try to do our best.

But that is not what patriarchy means. It can mean that, but these days most feminists see it as a more subconscious thing; something that's been instilled in the minds of both men and women. It's a framework that's pervasive in every aspect of society. So in that sense, yes, we are part of the problem; we are part of the patriarchy. And every time you use a word such as 'manpower' or make a joke about women and housework, you are supporting that framework.
Also, sexism and feminism deal with exactly the same issue, namely gender equality.

By the comics logic, libertarians are all communists. What a word meant half a century ago is not necessarily relevant to how people use it today, and even if it still had widespread use, there is such a thing as a homonym.

Catface Meowmers:

Piorn:
It's easier to blame the "patriarchy", than to blame ourselves.
We like to think there is a shady council, with sinister looking men of power, secretly pulling the strings of the world and making all the bad things happen.
We do it al the time. We do it with Sexism, and we do it with Feminism.
It makes us feel comfortable, because we convince ourself that it's not our fault everything sucks.
That there is someone to blame.
But in reality, each of us is just one drop in an ocean of bad things, and all we can do is try to do our best.

Dude, that's not what the patriarchy is. It's a concept, not a Shadow Council. It's kind of like the idea that men are the default, "normal" gender and women are just living in our world. And if you do some research, you'll find it's more pervasive than you might expect.

And it doesn't just hurt women. When men complain that they have no chance in a child custody hearing against the mother, that's because "everyone knows" that children will always be better off with the mother than the father. Or how about the idea, perpetuated by advertising, that men are clueless, incompetent children when it comes to basic aspects of housekeeping and child care? Yup, that too. (This paragraph is mostly to answer the question: "If the patriarchy is real, how come my life as a man isn't perfect?" That's a lazy question, fellas.)

It's pretty complicated, and I'm not about to go research and write an essay for a forum thread. But there's a lot of information online if you have some free time.

Well said. I often use Kanji Tatsumi as an example of patriarchy affecting a male. All of his problems and insecurities stem from this idealized male construct. Real men don't sew! Real men don't like cute things! What are you? Gay?

This is why gender roles are so bad.

Catface Meowmers:

Piorn:
It's easier to blame the "patriarchy", than to blame ourselves.
We like to think there is a shady council, with sinister looking men of power, secretly pulling the strings of the world and making all the bad things happen.
We do it al the time. We do it with Sexism, and we do it with Feminism.
It makes us feel comfortable, because we convince ourself that it's not our fault everything sucks.
That there is someone to blame.
But in reality, each of us is just one drop in an ocean of bad things, and all we can do is try to do our best.

Dude, that's not what the patriarchy is. It's a concept, not a Shadow Council. It's kind of like the idea that men are the default, "normal" gender and women are just living in our world. And if you do some research, you'll find it's more pervasive than you might expect.

And it doesn't just hurt women. When men complain that they have no chance in a child custody hearing against the mother, that's because "everyone knows" that children will always be better off with the mother than the father. Or how about the idea, perpetuated by advertising, that men are clueless, incompetent children when it comes to basic aspects of housekeeping and child care? Yup, that too. (This paragraph is mostly to answer the question: "If the patriarchy is real, how come my life as a man isn't perfect?" That's a lazy question, fellas.)

It's pretty complicated, and I'm not about to go research and write an essay for a forum thread. But there's a lot of information online if you have some free time.

If that is what it truly is then it needs to be called something else. I don't really understand how a word simply meaning the ruling of fathers can convey so many unrelated, pervasive and damaging stereotypes. Unless of course you believe all these troubles are exclusively the fault of men.

Then again what is true for some may not be true for all. If you have heard some talk of patriarchy, you might easily think that they believed it really was the coordinated systematic oppression and hatred of women on the part of all men. That you can easily find anybody in the western world that believes rape is OK but that depends on what you think rape is I suppose. Put that way it sounds like a crazier conspiracy theory than anything L Ron Hubbard could have come up with.

Mr F.:

hazabaza1:
So is The Escapist just going "hey guys we need more traffic, make stuff that's guaranteed to create arguments" to their content creators now?

Aww, fuck it, I will bite.

You know, I cannot from any real perspective see how this comic will create an argument. It is quite simply pointing out that "Radical" in this particular context does not mean what many attribute it to mean.

But it does though. Radical [insert ideology here] means "an extreme viewpoint about [same ideology]". Just because you add feminist doesn't change that. It could describe a particular school of thought, but that becomes a second definition, it doesn't suddenly override the first.

Mr F.:

Now, if we wanted a comic that could create an argument AND make a decent point, how about we run one on how the Patriarchy is incredibly damaging to men as well as women, particularly with the ridiculous, and many times utterly contradictory, ways men are expected to act (Violent, Gentle, Predator, Kind blah blah blah).

And then I'd point out that patriarchy is not the same thing as 'a society with gender roles'. Hypothetically anyway.

Father Time:

Does feminism stand to gain anything by trying to redefine what a radical feminist is? I don't think so.

Do Muslims stand to gain anything by trying to redefine what radical Islam is?

I've known quite a few Muslims over the years. One guy was as devout in his religion as anyone I've ever met. Yet he was the first to condemn any violent act done in the name of Islam.

Would he benefit by having the radical elements of his religion redefined and distanced from his mainstream beliefs?

You bet he would have.

For one, he wouldn't have the majority of Americans thinking he should take personal responsibility for 9/11.

I wholeheartedly agree with the core feminist principle of equality for all. Women should be paid as much as men. There should be no doors closed for either gender.

But when you have a radical feminist calling for the castration of all pre-pubescent men, the feminist movement would certainly benefit by redefining that element as something else entirely.

Father Time:
Does feminism stand to gain anything by trying to redefine what a radical feminist is? I don't think so.

Well, you thought wrong. Everything that can be more nuanced is useful, otherwise we'd just go around like cavemen grunting at things and using words like 'That!' and 'You!', leading to frequent misunderstandings. When we human beings can relay more information, we act more efficiently.
In this specific case, it is certainly not without merit to distinguish between the different branches of feminism, especially since they've become so diverse in the Third Wave of Feminism. For instance, there are feminists who want to topple the patriarchy and women who just want equal pay. Making that distinction from the get-go can be useful in determining the priorities of the individual feminists you are talking to.

I want that T shirt.

I'm far too privileged in life to speak with any authority on feminism, or equality in general. I don't know the difference between feminism and simply wanting everyone to be treated equally, or if there even is a difference. I can't empathize with those who've who've faced hardship and prejudice, who've been looked down upon or discriminated against, who've even been persecuted for traits or beliefs that I share with them myself, simply because I've been sheltered from all of that all of my life. I can say that I'm on their side, and perhaps I even am, but when push comes to shove I don't know what it's like, and likely never will.

The only thing I know for sure is...I want that T shirt.

MinionJoe:

Father Time:

Does feminism stand to gain anything by trying to redefine what a radical feminist is? I don't think so.

Do Muslims stand to gain anything by trying to redefine what radical Islam is?

I've known quite a few Muslims over the years. One guy was as devout in his religion as anyone I've ever met. Yet he was the first to condemn any violent act done in the name of Islam.

Would he benefit by having the radical elements of his religion redefined and distanced from his mainstream beliefs?

Violent Muslims are already classified as radicals. What's there to redefine?

MinionJoe:

But when you have a radical feminist calling for the castration of all pre-pubescent men, the feminist movement would certainly benefit by redefining that element as something else entirely.

Radical/Extreme is about the best you can do. You can't stop those people from calling themselves feminists.

Radical has a negative connotation so do you really want to use it to describe anyone who uses patriarchy ....

on second thought they should totally keep doing this. Also they should adopt the conspiracy theorist label while they're at it.

(yeah patriarchy doesn't mean a conspiracy, blah blah blah, it's an emotionally laden bullshit piece of rhetoric that brings up images of a conspiracy though so they should stick with that).

Farther than stars:
For instance, there are feminists who want to topple the patriarchy and women who just want equal pay.

Nevermind. Read pay as play. Gave it a different context in my mind.

Am I the only one that thought of this when I saw "Free Radicals" as the title?

One of the best Bond lines ever at the end there.

I oppose radical feminism simply because it's extremely transphobic. They believe that MTF trans are imposters and FTM are traitors. It's not just "Smash the Patriarchy", it goes beyond that, and its so bad that radfems have managed to use their influence to ban MTF trans people from joining several feminist organizations.

Not to mention they have shot themselves in the foot by labeling all the good things with feminine names and labeling all the bad things with masculine names. Worst PR move ever.

It really isn't any more complicated than that.

MinionJoe:

Father Time:

Does feminism stand to gain anything by trying to redefine what a radical feminist is? I don't think so.

Do Muslims stand to gain anything by trying to redefine what radical Islam is?

I've known quite a few Muslims over the years. One guy was as devout in his religion as anyone I've ever met. Yet he was the first to condemn any violent act done in the name of Islam.

Would he benefit by having the radical elements of his religion redefined and distanced from his mainstream beliefs?

You bet he would have.

For one, he wouldn't have the majority of Americans thinking he should take personal responsibility for 9/11.

I wholeheartedly agree with the core feminist principle of equality for all. Women should be paid as much as men. There should be no doors closed for either gender.

But when you have a radical feminist calling for the castration of all pre-pubescent men, the feminist movement would certainly benefit by redefining that element as something else entirely.

See the problem is, you didn't get the message the comic was trying to send. That is not what radical means in this situation. Radical feminism is about toppling the patriarchy, not castrating all men. -.-

Father Time:
So a radical feminist is anyone who believes in patriarchy? Ok fine, I don't like them too much either. I think that whole theory brings nothing of value to discussion since it's so easily used a vague cop-out/scapegoat. Often times I'll hear them say something like "that bias against men exists because of patriarchy, buy our feminist war bonds against the evil patriarchy if you want to help men".

Patriarchy is not a theory, it's the name of a social system.

Just like anarchy, or oligarchy, or monarchy.

Specifically, this one is greek for a system where the authority (arkhēs) is primarily held by males(patēr). That's it. No complex "theory", or "scapegoat", pretty much just the statement that the problem with gender issues is the focus on male authority.

As long as you believe that the idea of a society "ruled by men" is possible, or even it used to exist, the question is not really whether you "believe in the patriarchy theory", but only exactly how appropriately it describes our current society.

I understand what you tried to do with her hands in panel two, but it looks a tad awkward. Desks are pretty mandatory to make that pose work.

Mr F.:
You know, I cannot from any real perspective see how this comic will create an argument. It is quite simply pointing out that "Radical" in this particular context does not mean what many attribute it to mean. I see no issue.

... then you haven't been on this website for long enough, or you haven't been paying attention.

I'll give you a couple of recent examples.

Jimquisition about how internet death threats are bad:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.825793-Jimquisition-Im-Going-To-Murder-Your-Children
This shoud've been simple. Internet death threats are bad. There's no disputing it.
But somehow, it spiralled into 16 pages of arguments.

ZP, where Yahtzee makes a hamless and throwaway transgender joke:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.825922-Zero-Punctuation-Papers-Please-and-Brothers-A-Tale-of-Two-Sons
Once again, something that should've been pretty tame, spiralled into a massive flamewar that completely took over the thread.

There are many, many other countless examples.
People here will find anything to argue about.

Grey Carter:
False advertising.

False advertising indeed. They must be thinking of straw feminists!

http://www.harkavagrant.com/?id=341

jehk:

Farther than stars:
For instance, there are feminists who want to topple the patriarchy and women who just want equal pay.

Nevermind. Read pay as play. Gave it a different context in my mind.

No worries. ;)

Blaster395:
I oppose radical feminism simply because it's extremely transphobic. They believe that MTF trans are imposters and FTM are traitors.

Not to mention they have shot themselves in the foot by labeling all the good things with feminine names and labeling all the bad things with masculine names. Worst PR move ever.

It really isn't any more complicated than that.

While the comment about transphobia is a coherent criticism against some radical feminists, it by no means applies to all of them. I know some very radical radical feminists who wholeheartedly support the LGBT movement.
As to the labeling issue, it's not so much that masculine words are bad and feminine words are good, it's more about the way in which they're used. Look at the gender names for dogs for instance. 'Sire' is used to denote lordship when used for a human. And then look at the use of the name for female dogs... When little details like that are packed together, they can have a profound effect on the social psyche.

Father Time:

Radical has a negative connotation so do you really want to use it to describe anyone who uses patriarchy ....

Not at all. Which is why, in my original post, I used the qualifier "Whenever I hear the term 'radical feminism'..."

I've not seen any objective evidence of a patriarchy, but I don't discount the notion entirely.

I agree that applying the label "radical" to any feminist who uses the term "patriarchy" doesn't fully understand the definition of either word.

Which is why I provided the definition for the first. ;)

Addendum: I followed and read the Wikipedia link provided in the footer of the strip and now have full context on the strip and subsequent discussion. Please accept my commentary as how "radical definition" should be defined (and indeed, how I personally define it in my own head) and not as direct commentary on the strip. Apologies for any confusion or butt clenching at my out-of-context comments.

Grey Carter:
Free Radicals

Hold up - are you suggesting that Poochie was a radical feminist?

EDIT: pissflaps, I have been thoroughly ninja'd :-(

Kill people, burn shit, fuck school!

Kill people, burn shit, fuck school!

Kill people, burn shit, fu-

Sorry, wrong Radical

Anyways, I assume that, since we are talking about 90's radical here (or at least I assume so given the third panel) that this has a bit to do with Gone Home?

Father Time:

Mr F.:

hazabaza1:
So is The Escapist just going "hey guys we need more traffic, make stuff that's guaranteed to create arguments" to their content creators now?

Aww, fuck it, I will bite.

You know, I cannot from any real perspective see how this comic will create an argument. It is quite simply pointing out that "Radical" in this particular context does not mean what many attribute it to mean.

But it does though. Radical [insert ideology here] means "an extreme viewpoint about [same ideology]". Just because you add feminist doesn't change that. It could describe a particular school of thought, but that becomes a second definition, it doesn't suddenly override the first.

Mr F.:

Now, if we wanted a comic that could create an argument AND make a decent point, how about we run one on how the Patriarchy is incredibly damaging to men as well as women, particularly with the ridiculous, and many times utterly contradictory, ways men are expected to act (Violent, Gentle, Predator, Kind blah blah blah).

And then I'd point out that patriarchy is not the same thing as 'a society with gender roles'. Hypothetically anyway.

Well, No, you are quite right. A society could have gender roles without patriarchy.

However, the dominant societies on this particular planet have patriarchy and gender roles that are so interlinked it becomes almost impossible to separate one from the other. So whilst theoretically you are correct, the reality is far from the theoretical standpoint.

The patriarchy as a concept is damaging both to the people that are being most affected negatively, women (As the argument usually ends there) however, for many men, such as myself, it is damaging because it molds us in such a way as to perpetuate itself. Its not a grand conspiracy, its just what has progressively happened over many, many years. Honestly, I cannot find myself too angry when a young man, or simply a poorly educated man, acts like a sexist wanker. Because that is how they are raised to act, that is how they are expected to act.

Men are expected to be dicks. We are also expected to hate men who are dicks. These days, we are both expected to act like sexual predators and decry those very same actions. A man is supposed to be gentle and kind, yet aggressive and violent when roused. We are supposed to show little to no emotion, unless that emotion is anger in which case we should express that with gusto. Is this down to gender roles, purely and simply? I would argue against that.

I would argue that a man who "Jokily" pretended to grope my sister is a product of the system we live in and a poorer man due to his lack of understanding. He was created and molded by the patriarchy we are all living in. It is damaging for us, damaging for anyone who lives slightly outside of the norm. I would argue that a man who is seen to be crying being called weak is wrong, I would argue that the statement "Boys will be Boys" if kids get into a fight is wrong. But this is really not the place for this particular discussion.

Perhaps we need another thread that will get derailed by extremists on both sides. As for the nitty gritty of the comic?

Well, its all semantics really. Some people, like myself, believe it is making a fair point and think people should just expand their vocabulary. People like you disagree. Funnily, this is one of the few times when both of us are, objectively, accurate.

EDIT:

Father Time:

(yeah patriarchy doesn't mean a conspiracy, blah blah blah, it's an emotionally laden bullshit piece of rhetoric that brings up images of a conspiracy though so they should stick with that).

Yeah, No, do not reply to my response. Do not attempt to talk to me again. I consider this discussion over. I am really, REALLY tired of believing, for half a second, I might be able to have a rational discussion with someone about this on this site. Everyone falls into two camps.

Moderately well educated and ignorant.

For the record, I am not meaning "Ignorant" in a way as to insult you. Yes, society currently values intelligence, whilst being amazingly anti-intellectual (Which, amusingly, you are currently being.) so it can be taken as an insult. I simply mean it as "Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular.", in this case the patriarchy or the basic theories behind a lot of sociological theory.

Much like there is no pointing in a physicist discussing physics with a man who is ignorant of the theory, there is no point in a sociologist having a discussion about feminism with people who are ignorant of the theory.

I am done here.

There is nothing to be gained from conversing with you on any subject that has anything to do with feminism, sexism or any form of spinoff. Good day to you.

Desert Punk:

hazabaza1:
So is The Escapist just going "hey guys we need more traffic, make stuff that's guaranteed to create arguments" to their content creators now?

To be fair, the authors of Crit Miss are always on a hair trigger when it comes to complaining about sexism stuff. Its their go to thing when they got nothin else I think.

You're thinking of trolling Evangelion fans. That seems to be the new go-to.

Lot of people complaining that comics like this are just to incite pageviews, but...isn't that kinda what it's for? A comic which actively encourages people not to read it aren't going to do very well in the long term.

Catface Meowmers:
It's pretty complicated, and I'm not about to go research and write an essay for a forum thread. But there's a lot of information online if you have some free time.

Nonononono, don't send them out to research things. There is a lot of information online, but a lot of it is false and a frankly disturbing amount of it is thoroughly batshit. Anyone going looking for information on the concept of patriarchy runs the risk of falling into a deep, dark hole of mindless horrors. Also known as The Spearhead.

SonicWaffle:

Desert Punk:

hazabaza1:
So is The Escapist just going "hey guys we need more traffic, make stuff that's guaranteed to create arguments" to their content creators now?

To be fair, the authors of Crit Miss are always on a hair trigger when it comes to complaining about sexism stuff. Its their go to thing when they got nothin else I think.

You're thinking of trolling Evangelion fans. That seems to be the new go-to.

Lot of people complaining that comics like this are just to incite pageviews, but...isn't that kinda what it's for? A comic which actively encourages people not to read it aren't going to do very well in the long term.

A better way to attract page views without resorting to sensationalism is a good storyline.

I certainly dont check Order of the Stick, Our Intrepic Crew, or Well of Souls every day for updates because they whine about sexism or make fun of Evangelion fans :P

Hell its not even that hard to make a topical comic about things that have gone on recently in your comics sphere of influence instead of resorting to a sensationalist joke.

Farther than stars:
While the comment about transphobia is a coherent criticism against some radical feminists, it by no means applies to all of them. I know some very radical radical feminists who wholeheartedly support the LGBT movement.
As to the labeling issue, it's not so much that masculine words are bad and feminine words are good, it's more about the way in which they're used. Look at the gender names for dogs for instance. 'Sire' is used to denote lordship when used for a human. And then look at the use of the name for female dogs... When little details like that are packed together, they can have a profound effect on the social psyche.

Sire is not gender name for male dog, it a general term to denote paternity in quadruped, the equivalent word to sire for a female quadruped is dam.

Blaster395:
I oppose radical feminism simply because it's extremely transphobic. They believe that MTF trans are imposters and FTM are traitors. It's not just "Smash the Patriarchy", it goes beyond that, and its so bad that radfems have managed to use their influence to ban MTF trans people from joining several feminist organizations.

Not entirely fair. There's nothing inherently transphobic about radical feminism.

However, yes, in practice, very many of them do happen to be exceedingly transphobic. I must admit that I was swayed by their rhetoric about that for awhile before reading a wider range of feminist stuff.

Father Time:

MinionJoe:

Father Time:

Does feminism stand to gain anything by trying to redefine what a radical feminist is? I don't think so.

Do Muslims stand to gain anything by trying to redefine what radical Islam is?

I've known quite a few Muslims over the years. One guy was as devout in his religion as anyone I've ever met. Yet he was the first to condemn any violent act done in the name of Islam.

Would he benefit by having the radical elements of his religion redefined and distanced from his mainstream beliefs?

Violent Muslims are already classified as radicals. What's there to redefine?

The issue is that there are a lot of people who don't classify violent Islam as radical Islam; to them it's all just Islam. Whenever there's an atrocity and someone points out the billion-odd Muslims who aren't blowing people up, there will always be plenty of people quick to point out that "well the rest of them never say anything, so they must approve of it", regardless of how many Muslims actually have spoken out against terrorism.

If there's a general perception of all Muslims as radical extremists, the best way to combat this is to redefine radical Islam in the public consciousness.

Desert Punk:
A better way to attract page views without resorting to sensationalism is a good storyline.

They tried that. I liked it, apparently very few other people did, and we got a forum full of bitching.

Desert Punk:
I certainly dont check Order of the Stick, Our Intrepic Crew, or Well of Souls every day for updates because they whine about sexism or make fun of Evangelion fans :P

How about XKCD, Penny Arcade or SMBC, all well-renonwed comics which tackle the same kind of issues and poke fun at people they think are to blame?

Desert Punk:
Hell its not even that hard to make a topical comic about things that have gone on recently in your comics sphere of influence instead of resorting to a sensationalist joke.

The sphere of influence is gaming. Recently in the gaming community a lot of anti-feminism backlash has reared its ugly head. Ergo this is a topical comic related to what has gone on recently in the comic's sphere of influence.

It's just also a sensationalist joke.

SonicWaffle:

Desert Punk:
A better way to attract page views without resorting to sensationalism is a good storyline.

They tried that. I liked it, apparently very few other people did, and we got a forum full of bitching.

Desert Punk:
I certainly dont check Order of the Stick, Our Intrepic Crew, or Well of Souls every day for updates because they whine about sexism or make fun of Evangelion fans :P

How about XKCD, Penny Arcade or SMBC, all well-renonwed comics which tackle the same kind of issues and poke fun at people they think are to blame?

Desert Punk:
Hell its not even that hard to make a topical comic about things that have gone on recently in your comics sphere of influence instead of resorting to a sensationalist joke.

The sphere of influence is gaming. Recently in the gaming community a lot of anti-feminism backlash has reared its ugly head. Ergo this is a topical comic related to what has gone on recently in the comic's sphere of influence.

It's just also a sensationalist joke.

I didnt notice too much bitching when they did story arcs. The story arcs are better than when they try to poke fun at current events anyway.

And yes, Penny Arcade and what not tackle issues, but they dont seem to get hung up on one thing, and make a comic about it, again, and again, and again...

There is a lot of stuff in gaming to joke around about as well. For example there are dozens of ways of making fun of Bungie thinking that Destiny could be as big of a cultural deal as Star wars. I doubt we will see anything joking about it though from them.

And as you pointed out, they like to make fun of Evangelion fans, clearly gaming isnt their only sphere they can venture into for jokes and commentary either. Heck, 4 or 5 days ago DC decided to dump a justice league in canada, they could have done a damn funny joke about that combined with that recent DC fighting game where superman is evil.

Buuut nope, we get more sexism whining...

I'm not really too good at these terms, but doesn't radical feminism postulate that the patriarchy is a huge male conspiracy and all men are working day and night to knowingly and willingly oppress women because we get off on it?

If that's the one, yep; they're pretty nuts.

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