The Big Picture: Batfleck

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Batfleck

MovieBob gives us the ins and outs of the new Batman and his alter ego Ben Affleck.

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I forgot this happened, that is how much I don't care. Btw, Batman is too much of a Gary Stew to really be interesting, and I'm getting tired of that bloody character. Why is one actor playing a overrated character international news?

I too wonder if Affleck is going to direct the Justice League movie and I do wonder if that was part of the reason why Warner Bros hired him to be Batman.

I don't know... I'll always miss Kevin Conroy as Batman. Hopefully the DCAU isn't dead.

Also: Mitt Romney with a Doomsday Bunker and a Leather fettish? WHAT!?
well at least now I have a new Skype quote...

Well if nothing else, it's nice and refreshing to see someone actually EXCITED to see Aflek (Afflek? AFLAC?) be the guy picked for Batman. Mind you, I have no opinion on the whole thing because an actor is an actor and in general the final product is what is important there, but still... nice to see a different opinion.

You can tell Bob's making a rant video when he's talking in his Boston accent.

Yeah, I didn't really care about Ben Affleck here. Why? Because I've long since lost interest in Superman. He's just too powerful for me to care. If they went back to his original power set where he couldn't fly, that'd be a good start. I might regain my interest if they also made it so that while his skin is bulletproof, the bullets still hurt quite a bit and he can suffer from burn wounds.

Oh, and if they stopped having him designed with poster-child gelled hair. That shit just instantly says, "Too good to be true" and ruins any suspension of disbelief.

Off-topic: dish can kiss my ass.

Oh man. I don't agree with all your assessments Bob, but that bit about Mitt Romney with a leather fettish literally... LITERALLY... made me laugh out loud. It was a guffaw even. So Kudos on the L-LOL.

I'm a Ben Affleck fan. Have been since Mallrats. But I'm having trouble seeing him in the role. Here's hoping that I'm way off base and he'll be good.

Judging by Bob's Boston accent being more prevalent than usual in this one, he must be pretty fired up. :)

and agreed... nice to finally hear a different, positive opinion of the casting.

Didn't Bob say on twitter when TASM come out, that when you use rotten tomatoes as an argument for a film is good/bad you are an idiot? Or Something like that. Also, that fucking Boston accent.

I know Bob suddenly decided to completely hate on Batman rises after his quite moderately critically review of the movie but Rises a debacle on par with Green lantern? come on! It wasn't even a bad movie.

Actually the same goes for man of steel. His review called it good but disappointing and soon after that it became the worst thing ever according to him. Unlike with Rises bob actually admitted it with man of steel but no matter what you think of the new Superman it wasn't as bad as Green lantern, not nearly.

MovieBob:
Batfleck

MovieBob gives us the ins and outs of the new Batman and his alter ego Ben Affleck.

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You have good points and Ben Affleck is a great talent but let me comment on this whole batman as vengeance against hope things.

The times are changing; the world has become more dark and painful as even with all the advances in science, our humanity has become more chaotic in war, politics, and isolation. If I was to make a superhero movie, it would be a deconstruction with brutality in both visuals and tone of Eva. Many things that people like have so much tied to many things that we hate and there are no true paragons; a movie that rips into the beloved heroes such as superman could work but only if you are willing to destroy all of the tropes and rebuild him.

Yes, Batman as vengeance and ideological enemy has ruined comics but at the same time, I would rather have a story that rips and tears into what we love than a story of hope, optimism and triumph

This is one of those rare times I was able to accurately predict the nature of this week's episode. I'm surprised he didn't have an ending card about it on Friday for MovieBob.

I don't particularly care who plays Batman, I'm disappointed I won't be getting a new film directed by Ben Affleck because of this. The man's 3/3 and I was really looking forward to his next one.

I don't get what the big deal is either. If Affleck can pull it off, then great! If not... eh, I got nothin'. Either way, this should be interesting... though hopefully they're not going with the over-used "Batman VS Superman" angle.

Hades:
I know Bob suddenly decided to completely hate on Batman rises after his quite moderately critically review of the movie but Rises a debacle on par with Green lantern? come on! It wasn't even a bad movie.

Actually the same goes for man of steel. His review called in good but disappointing and soon after that it became the worst thing ever according to him. Unlike with Rises bob actually admitted it with man of steel but no matter what you think of the new Superman it wasn't as bad as Green lantern, not nearly.

I think that he's merely putting them together because of influence and similarities in tone and inability to create the characters that they needed. Regardless, it would be nice to see a big picture in which he explains why his opinions have changed for Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel and what he believes is the main thing wrong with them.

What? MovieBob is doing his Big Picture this week about Ben Affleck as Batman? I certainly hope someone picks up that phone because I called it!

Man Bob, you could really say a lot of people have Ben Affleckted by this news, huh?

In all seriousness, I was pretty psyched about the news, for a lot of the same reasons you mentioned. He's a talented director and actor who actually likes comic books.

And to the people who bring up Daredevil, yes it was 10 years ago, but let's also remember that Daredevil was not bad BECAUSE of Affleck.

I finally saw Man of Steel last week, and truth is, I didn't really think it was good or bad. Y'know what I did think it was though? Boring. Really really boring. I'd forgotten my phone so I couldn't glance down to check the time at all during it, so about halfway through, I honestly just started counting in increments of 60.

So yeah Bob, I'm with you on this one. I like the idea of Affleck as Batman, but I dunno how this is gonna work out.

With any luck, even if Superman vs. Batman ends up being not that good, it'll at least launch an Affleck starring Batman solo run that...MAYBE will actually give us Robin this time? A real Robin I mean, not Chris O'Donnel or Joseph Gordon Levitt.

Oh, and off topic but I'm almost finished with your book. I'm on the Ice World chapter right now and I'm really liking it.

Hades:
I know Bob suddenly decided to completely hate on Batman rises after his quite moderately critically review of the movie but Rises a debacle on par with Green lantern? come on! It wasn't even a bad movie.

Actually the same goes for man of steel. His review called in good but disappointing and soon after that it became the worst thing ever according to him. Unlike with Rises bob actually admitted it with man of steel but no matter what you think of the new Superman it wasn't as bad as Green lantern, not nearly.

To be fair, he does explain why he doesn't like those movies, the writing. Even calling it Man of Steel's big problem. And yeah, I would agree, the biggest problem with all three movies (well, GL had more but...) was that the writing wasn't that good. The action in Man of Steel was pretty solid, if out of character, but that would go more towards the writing.

Also, it probably goes without saying but opinion change and my biggest problem with both Man of Steel and The Dark Knight Rises is that I enjoyed the first screening but the more I thought about the film, the more I realized that I didn't like it. It also probably didn't help that I was forced to see both movies five times.

Which episode of Good Easts did he take the frame he used to punctuate the phrase "red flag". anyways...

My feelings about this news has yet to change. I still feel unsure that Affleck is fit for the role. Batman is a character that is based around his dominating persona built by anger over the loss of his parents and dedication to rid his city of the evil that robbed him of that innocence. Even with his Daredevil role, he couldn't pull off the character because he always comes off as either too friendly or tries to pass as menacing but looks like he's playing pretend. Yes, he's a much different actor/director than he was over a decade ago but he has yet to prove himself worthy of this role and there are many other actors better suited for this.

However, Bob brought up a few good points in his argument. Perhaps Ben Affleck will take Batman in a more playful approach like in BM:TAS or in The Brave and the Bold (both shows are awesome and worth a look). I wouldn't mind that because it would be better than seeing two actors in tights trying to out-brood one another. I want to see way more levity in the DC Comics movies but this comes back to the bigger issue regarding the upcoming Superman/Batman film and previous DC Comics movies. Warner Brothers and DC Comics don't understand these characters and they do not have a solid plan to carry out. This is why Green Lantern, Man of Steel, and the 2011 Wonder Woman TV pilot failed miserably. Each was a major departure from the source material and they brought in actors and filmmakers that were not suited for this kind of project.

I might be wrong about this and this crossover movie may rise above the failures of the past. But, given that the same creative team behind this did Man of Steel (OK, Nolan has left the project. But still... ) and that neither company has learned from their mistakes, I'm not feeling that optimistic about it.

Also, Bob went full on Bostonian in this episode. I wonder why... ;P

You know what I really don't get about Warner Bros. and their fixation on making DC Comics movies? Why are they content to keep Bruce Timm and Paul Dini writing and creating the animated movies of the DC universe, when they're a few of the only people lately that made Batman or Justice League itself work outside of comic book form? It's silly that the creators of some of the best content DC has had in the last 20 years, the duo that made Harley Quinn, Red Claw and the Justice Lords, can't be coaxed to make the jump to writing for the big time.

As it stands, I'm at least glad Nolan seems to have dropped out of producing the DC films anymore. I quite enjoyed his Batman films, but they only worked in his own universe because Batman was one of the more realistic superheroes ever created. Putting him in an ultra-realistic setting is Nolan's thing and it worked, but putting Superman in the same scenario clearly ended in compromises and a lot of tension between Nolan and Snyder. Those two were never gonna work well long term, as they tend to create media on the very opposite ends of the spectrum. You can almost tell that Nolan held back Snyder during the hour-and-a-half exposition of Man of Steel, then finally let him go and went 'alright I'm done, have your 45 minute fight scene'.

Affleck should be fine at Batman, as long as they let him be comic Batman. Having Nolan out of the picture I think will help, but I'm still not sure if David Goyer is capable of writing a comic book movie that's out of Nolan's comfort zone. With Nolan gone, Goyer might slip away as well... which might not be a bad thing. And that brings me back to the first paragraph and the Timm/Dini team getting involved. A guy can dream.

The first time I heard agbout Afleck as Batman, I immediately thought, "I don't know. You really need someone with gravitas, who can pull off that grim-dark noir feeling. Not some goofball comedy actor. You know, you need someone like Michael Keaton."

I mean, is anyone else here old enough to remember how weird it was when it was announced that Keaton was playing Batman and Jack Nicholson was playing Joker?

I'm with Bob on this one. Heath Ledger was cursed once they announced he would be the joker. After seeing him nail the part so damn perfectly, I have hope for any actor wishing to play a superhero. Affleck survived Gigli, Daredevil, Kevin Smith, and Bennifer. Give him a shot.

Some very solid points. I like Ben Affleck (Argo was amazingly good). I think e dry one is hung up on Daredevil.

Totally not in to a movie with Batman and Superman. I liked that the last three films had a more realistic slant on things.
And to be fair even after this video I'm still not really optimistic on Affleck playing Batman. Yeah he's a decent actor and all the things Bob talked up about him might be right, but I just can't imagine him as Batman and for me he totally didn't work in Dare Devil (totally besides the film itself being terrible).
Just because a character has pedigree and cred. doesn't mean he's a shoe-horn fit for a roll.
And another thing. People keep defending the Affleck choice with the chin... really? Who gives a toss?
Oh, he's white and has a prominent chin? Oh now I'm down with the choice!
Bale was an excellent Batman and he didn't really match the physical appearance of the comic version Batman.

So this video didn't convince me otherwise either.
Affleck just might, but again strongly doubt it as I'm already put off by a Superman vs Batman movie in general. So he'll have to be stellar to sway me.

Clovus:

I mean, is anyone else here old enough to remember how weird it was when it was announced that Keaton was playing Batman and Jack Nicholson was playing Joker?

I unfortunately am and I can say that I was excited back then to see Nicholson as the Joker and couldn't see Keaton as a Batman.
I still don't think Keaton worked well at all as Batman and think Nicholson was not too bad.

impocalyptic:
I'm with Bob on this one. Heath Ledger was cursed once they announced he would be the joker. After seeing him nail the part so damn perfectly, I have hope for any actor wishing to play a superhero. Affleck survived Gigli, Daredevil, Kevin Smith, and Bennifer. Give him a shot.

Count me in that too. Remember also how some fans disliked Daniel Craig as the new James Bond? Also Bob is spot on. A movie premisse should not be about two heroes fighting. It is still too early, but who knows Ben Affleck can become the next big thing for his acting and writing and directing DC Universe.

Also Bob you should mention that WB lost Legendary studios. Things are not going to be great for DC characters movies.

It would be nice if Batfleck would take on Lex Luthers like stance in the next movie. He sees an all powerful alien and the destruction it created and now is out to stop or contain it.

Regardless of Affleck's resume, my problem is with DC's weak-wristed handling of their own universe. They're so terrified that people are going to hate their characters that they push out these apologetic versions. Batman is more whiny than intense, barely puts on the costume and the Nolan movies are more about NOT being Batman than being Batman. Green Lantern washed out any hint of the mythology's epic feel to make a milquetoast Iron Man. Wonder Woman isn't even going to be made because apparently she only stands for feminism these days and that's a dirty word on the internet. Superman sells out his own moral code just so he doesn't become the larger-than-life good guy he's supposed to be. And DC keeps scratching their heads when--surprise, surprise--people hate them.

Have you seen the reboot for Lobo? Sweet friggin' Christmas that's lame.

Fuck yes, finally, someone criticizes Batman!

He's not a hero, he knows the villains will get out of Arkham, therefore he is also indirectly responsible for the deaths of thousands. And the only reason he has been able to survive this long is Plot armor the mass of jupiter and Deus Ex Machina transcending god. Because yeah, taking a punch by Superman right in the face kills you, it kills you so bad because the energy released is comparative to many many nuclear bombs. But hey, because Batman.

Is it just me or is Moviebob fed up with Batman in general? He really seemed to dislike the character in the video, or at least the modern "grim and gritty" interpretation of him. Regardless, I agree with his point that Zack Synder is the far more problematic element then Ben Affleck.

Can Matt Damon be Robin?

I can't help but feel that youngblood is going to get a movie at some point.

Clearly Adam West was the best batman, that's what we need to go back to with the shark repellent bat-spray.

Loved this one--I'm always a little bugged by how short and small these Big Pictures are; how he's forced to rush them out and make them so brief, and doesn't have the volume of juicy commentary that I wish I could get. But here he did a really good job; it was like three Big Pictures in one.

I think Afleck will make a great Bruce Wayne, but Batman I'm having a little trouble seeing.

"Modern comics' fixation of this particular version of this particular character embodying entitlement and vengeance by proxy, finding a way to purchase victory over a character that's supposed to embody hope and optimism is emblematic of just about everything that went wrong with modern comics."

Thank you, Bob!

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