Zero Punctuation: Pikmin 3

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Love the use of Um Bungo :P

ToastiestZombie:

Xeorm:
Curious. For anyone that's played the earlier games, was this version all that much harder to control?

It sounded like they changed the control mechanics drastically from the first two, and while it was never exactly pinpoint accuracy, it was fairly straightforward.

Well if you use the Wii Remote Plus and nunchuck it has the best and most precise controls of the series.

Can't you just use the pro controller and dispense with the shitty motion controls altogether? Because if you can I may just buy a WiiU for this.

There's so much factually wrong with this video:

1) You can use the touchscreen as a part of gameplay. Not only can you use it to scroll through the level a la a PC RTS, you can use it to set destinations for specific captains and their units, and to swap between any of the three captains on the fly.

2) You can marhsall Pikmin to move out of the way of enemy boss attacks. Pressing left or right on the D-pad does a group dodge, which rolls your entire group out of the way. I'm pretty sure the game explains this to you clearly. I'm amazed Yahtzee didn't even discover it once.

Aside from that, I love how Yahtzee complains about how modern games are so drab and brown and gritty, yet when a game comes along with some actual colour and some fantastic art design, he mocks it for being 'twee' and 'for babies'. I mean, people stopped using that argument years ago, when the common consensus became that it's actually a damn good game franchise.

I just think Yahtzee doesn't know what the hell he wants anymore. Make a game full of dudebro violence and grey-brown graphics, he'll shit on it for being unoriginal. Make a game where the vibrant, inventive Bugs Life-esque aesthetic masks a subtext about the violence inherent in nature, and he'll shit on that for being a kids toy. It's not as if games can be designed to appeal for all the family or anything. It's not as if a film studio like Pixar can make beloved films without being labelled as 'for babies'...

...ah, fuck it. Like I said, Yahtzee just doesn't know what he wants, or just loves complaining for the sake of it.

Yahtzee, this is one of your funniest videos yet! Had me laughing from start (getting tongue-tied about Pikmin's title) to finish (banishing video game nerds to the darkness)! As for that Battle of the Somme crack, I can see how people would be offended, but it's not a joke on the battle itself; it was meant to be a comparison to point out how unexpectedly violent Yahtzee found it. Although if the flowers on the Pikmins' heads WERE body-controlling parasites, that would explain how dumb they are.

PsychedelicDiamond:
Yahtzee, being german i'm offended by your reference to german scatporn.

Not only does ignore all the other varieties of hardcore fetish porn my great country produces, it also completely disregards the high quality scatporn made by other countries which i'm sure is going to offend shit fetishists from all over the world. I demand that you change it to something less inflammatory until next week otherwise i'm afraid i'm going to have to complain on the internet and pretend that anyone cares for my hurt feelings!

Here I thought German cornered the market on scat porn. I thought you'd be flattered. Then again, I heard Holland and Scandinavia have WAY more sick and twisted stuff! I'm talking shit that would turn your hair white!

Calibanbutcher:

And as a survivor of the great guinea-pig massacre of 2009, I demand you change your depiction of guinea pigs as "innocent" creatures in that one throwaway joke, for they massacred many of us and left me heavily traumatized and having to see a guinea pig not only triggered these memories again, but having to endure being told that they are "innocent" creatures is just adding insult to injury.

Laughing Man:
That joke at the end about throwing vegetables I am just gonna wait for the uproar from the coma patient community.

Well you're damn right about that.
As someone who is currently in a deep coma, I expect an official apology from Mr Croshaw. Him making fun of my lifestyle choices is unacceptable and I shall piss through his mailslot if he does not issue a formal apopology and make a considerable donation to our cause.

The Great Guinea Pig Massacre? So those two South Park episodes were based on real events?

major_chaos:

ToastiestZombie:

Xeorm:
Curious. For anyone that's played the earlier games, was this version all that much harder to control?

It sounded like they changed the control mechanics drastically from the first two, and while it was never exactly pinpoint accuracy, it was fairly straightforward.

Well if you use the Wii Remote Plus and nunchuck it has the best and most precise controls of the series.

Can't you just use the pro controller and dispense with the shitty motion controls altogether? Because if you can I may just buy a WiiU for this.

Why would you want to? The Wiimote and Nunchuck give you objectively more accuracy than analogue sticks. You can even target specific body parts of enemies with the Wiimote, which you can't do with analogues. You can indeed play with the Pro controller, but why would you deliberately pass over a control method that gives you greater control?

AuronFtw:

Genocidicles:
I'm sorry but the references to the Battle of Somme were highly distressing to me. The Battle of Somme is one of the bloodiest battles in human history, where over a million men were wounded or killed. It makes me sick that such a thing was made light of, and I request that it be changed.

I can't in good conscience continue watching Zero Punctuation after that. It made me feel uneasy, and I'm ashamed Mr Croshaw brought it up.

Ahahaha, I love this. We should crusade to get some little detail changed in every video from now on.

Yeah I agree but I've got a better example let's say that sex dungeon joke is a rape joke and bitch like crazy about it

Captcha: burning oil. Hell yeah lets start a flame war.

I always loved the PC port of Pikmin. Though for some reason it featured a guy dress as Sauron and the little Pikmin were replaced by Goblins...

Looks like the Escapist community is being extra juvenile today.

Did you really have to go and fuck up this week's comment section just because you're pissy over the resolution of last week's video?

Jesus people are immature.

If you're pissy about last week's thread, go be pissy IN LAST WEEK'S THREAD. Amazing how logical that sounds, isn't it?

Was that Eleuthera being thrown in a river at 3:36? Otherwise nice episode, best for a while I think. Shame a few people are still making a fuss over last week's edit.

Best ZP comment section in forever.

OT: Would I be a bad person if I said that I wanted this to come to other consoles? I know it's a Ninty IP. I just don't have the money to buy a new console, even after the price cut.

PsychedelicDiamond:
Yahtzee, being german i'm offended by your reference to german scatporn.

Not only does ignore all the other varieties of hardcore fetish porn my great country produces, it also completely disregards the high quality scatporn made by other countries which i'm sure is going to offend shit fetishists from all over the world. I demand that you change it to something less inflammatory until next week otherwise i'm afraid i'm going to have to complain on the internet and pretend that anyone cares for my hurt feelings!

Being of German descent I have to agree with this sentiment, it is a great injustice that the Germans have been labeled as scat fetishists and Yahtzee should feel ashamed for perpetuating this stereotype. I will now proceed to hold my breath until Yahtzee edits this video and personally comes over to my house to apologize to every single German relative I have.

I was originally going to make a joke about being offended but I see everyone already beat me to it. Going to be interesting to see how this all works out, maybe we'll end up with two versions of ZP, a politically correct one and an entertaining one.

That said I don't own a gamecube or a Wii U so I've never actually played a pikmin game. The concept always interested me, being a lover of RTS games but I think I grew out of Nintendo.

Dante dynamite:

AuronFtw:

Genocidicles:
I'm sorry but the references to the Battle of Somme were highly distressing to me. The Battle of Somme is one of the bloodiest battles in human history, where over a million men were wounded or killed. It makes me sick that such a thing was made light of, and I request that it be changed.

I can't in good conscience continue watching Zero Punctuation after that. It made me feel uneasy, and I'm ashamed Mr Croshaw brought it up.

Ahahaha, I love this. We should crusade to get some little detail changed in every video from now on.

Yeah I agree but I've got a better example let's say that sex dungeon joke is a rape joke and bitch like crazy about it

Captcha: burning oil. Hell yeah lets start a flame war.

Sounds like dickwolves all over again.

Either way, not surprised he had an issue with the controller. Motion controllers have never been his strong suit - not that I can blame him, they all handle like arse.

Raiyan 1.0:
Looks like the Escapist community is being extra juvenile today.

I know right. You'd think that you were dealing with a bunch of 12 year olds. Jokes are funniest if they are posted ad infinitum, especially when it is such a nuanced and clever one.

Balkan:
Is he serious? You can't use the touch screen ? Isn't that like making a PS3 shooter where you aim with the d-pad?

You do use the touch screen, but not for gathering the pikmin or throwing them.
You have 3 characters so basically you can control one char manually while the two others can do stuff like move to new locations and explore etc, and that's what the screen is used for, exploring.
Personally I think they could've used the touch screen more and in varying ways depending on what suits oneself best, but overall I enjoyed the game, even thou it was a bit short with only 10 hours of story gameplay + minigames (maybe 3-6 extra hours).

PsychedelicDiamond:
Yahtzee, being german i'm offended by your reference to german scatporn.

Not only does ignore all the other varieties of hardcore fetish porn my great country produces, it also completely disregards the high quality scatporn made by other countries which i'm sure is going to offend shit fetishists from all over the world. I demand that you change it to something less inflammatory until next week otherwise i'm afraid i'm going to have to complain on the internet and pretend that anyone cares for my hurt feelings!

Mmmmh... Sie haben Mais gegessen!

Abomination:

Either way, not surprised he had an issue with the controller. Motion controllers have never been his strong suit - not that I can blame him, they all handle like arse.

Motion controll??
There is zero/nill/0 motion controlling in Pikmin 3 on the WiiU when using the gamepad as the controller...

People need to stop thinking that the WiiU is an exact copy of the Wii, The only motion stuff I've ever done with the pad when gaming on the console is when flying Samus Arans ship in NintendoLand and when using the sniper/turret in ZombiU, in any other of the games I've played there's no moving around like with the WiiMote, what-so-ever, only buttons and the touch screen.

Are people serious with these comments? Complaining that yahtzee didn't try the wii mote/ nunchuck controls or that he is anti nintendo or saying that he is bias. First, of course he is bias, everyone is bias. I have never read a review that is not bias. Next, does the game recommend for you to use the nunchuck/wiimote, cause that would be weird since this is the Wii U and they are trying to show the worth of the gamepad.

Yahtzee consistently bring up important problems and inconsistencies in games that no one else mentions. What makes these videos great is that Yahtzee is not a nintendo fanboy (or a fanboy of anything) so he actually points out dumb things in nintendo games (and all games) and does not let nostalgia get in the way.

Another great video Yahtzee!

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

Why would you want to? The Wiimote and Nunchuck give you objectively more accuracy than analogue sticks. You can even target specific body parts of enemies with the Wiimote, which you can't do with analogues. You can indeed play with the Pro controller, but why would you deliberately pass over a control method that gives you greater control?

o hai jefffers, I'm slightly amazed you don't have me on ignore.
But anyway, to answer the question of why I would rather use the Pro controller:
1. The Wiimote is finicky and inaccurate,to the point where even simple motions like trying to do a search on netflix is a pain in the ass.
2. I played the Wii version of Pikmin 2 once, and despite having beaten the GC version twice I could barely survive the early game and found myself wishing for the GC controller.
3. My Wii is in front of my couch, so I like to lounge when I play, which makes aiming with the Wiimote even harder.

Dunhart:

I must admit I can't tell if you're serious about this or not. Pretty good job there.

In the off-chance that you are, using something bad as a point of comparison isn't as offensive as you make it out to be. Hiroshima is frequently used like that and nobody bats an eyelash.

Zombie_Moogle:

Wait, we're being serious now? It's fo-realz time?

We've noticed that the "offended party" goes by the handle "Genocidicles", right?

Ha! You both fell into my incredibly elaborate and well-planned ruse, and by that I mean I'm not being serious at all. It's a crack at people who thought Yahtzee should remove a transexual joke in the same review as a holocaust joke, because clearly hurting a few people's feelings with a joke is a much bigger reason to self-censor than making light of the holocaust.

major_chaos:

Can't you just use the pro controller and dispense with the shitty motion controls altogether? Because if you can I may just buy a WiiU for this.

Yeah, the pro-controller works but it's pretty much the exact same as the controller. Still... why not just use the motion controls? Using a pro-controller for this game is like using a controller for a PC RTS and not using the mouse because of some irrational hatred for mouses.

Wow so Germans are all a bunch of shit eaters and scat lovers? I'm posting this video in german communities on social networks let's see if they find it funny.

saxman234:
Are people serious with these comments? Complaining that yahtzee didn't try the wii mote/ nunchuck controls or that he is anti nintendo or saying that he is bias. First, of course he is bias, everyone is bias. I have never read a review that is not bias. Next, does the game recommend for you to use the nunchuck/wiimote, cause that would be weird since this is the Wii U and they are trying to show the worth of the gamepad.

Yahtzee consistently bring up important problems and inconsistencies in games that no one else mentions. What makes these videos great is that Yahtzee is not a nintendo fanboy (or a fanboy of anything) so he actually points out dumb things in nintendo games (and all games) and does not let nostalgia get in the way.

Another great video Yahtzee!

Is it a problem if an Xbox One game isn't made for Kinect? Or if a DS game isn't made for dual-screen/touch-screen controls? Or if a Wii game isn't made for motion controls? No. Then it shouldn't be a problem that Nintendo made a game with a control method that isn't the Wii U gamepad in mind. Not every Wii U game has to be The Wonderful 101.

major_chaos:

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

Why would you want to? The Wiimote and Nunchuck give you objectively more accuracy than analogue sticks. You can even target specific body parts of enemies with the Wiimote, which you can't do with analogues. You can indeed play with the Pro controller, but why would you deliberately pass over a control method that gives you greater control?

o hai jefffers, I'm slightly amazed you don't have me on ignore.
But anyway, to answer the question of why I would rather use the Pro controller:
1. The Wiimote is finicky and inaccurate,to the point where even simple motions like trying to do a search on netflix is a pain in the ass.
2. I played the Wii version of Pikmin 2 once, and despite having beaten the GC version twice I could barely survive the early game and found myself wishing for the GC controller.
3. My Wii is in front of my couch, so I like to lounge when I play, which makes aiming with the Wiimote even harder.

I can see what you're saying there, but still... I think you're underselling the Wiimote in this game. Both control methods have been widely praised for having their own strengths. The Wiimote is not inherently inferior simply because it is motion control. It works accurately enough in this game, such that calibration is rarely if ever an issue. The Gamepad itself has its own stengths in letting you direct different captains on the fly with the touchscreen. I just don't understand why you're so dead set on using the weakest control method of all. If you want to play with analogue sticks, just use the Gamepad, and use that touchscreen to get a good look around the map and direct your troops better.

saxman234:
Are people serious with these comments? Complaining that yahtzee didn't try the wii mote/ nunchuck controls or that he is anti nintendo or saying that he is bias. First, of course he is bias, everyone is bias. I have never read a review that is not bias. Next, does the game recommend for you to use the nunchuck/wiimote, cause that would be weird since this is the Wii U and they are trying to show the worth of the gamepad.

Yahtzee consistently bring up important problems and inconsistencies in games that no one else mentions. What makes these videos great is that Yahtzee is not a nintendo fanboy (or a fanboy of anything) so he actually points out dumb things in nintendo games (and all games) and does not let nostalgia get in the way.

Another great video Yahtzee!

Yahtzee complains for the sake of complaining, and tends to complain about things that don't exist either. He didn't point out dumb things in the game. As I already explained in my prior posts, half the things he complained were lacking in the video were actually in the game, and he'd have known that if he'd actually made an effort to play it. Dodge move for the Pikmin? Press the D-pad. Lack of touchscreen input? Being able to direct captains and their units says otherwise.

Whether everyone has a slight inherent bias or not, that doesn't excuse Yahtzee complaining about shit which literally isn't true. Good satire generally works by poking fun at that which does exist, not raging about stuff that is a complete nonsense.

Funny enough. it's implied that the Pikmin are indeed Parasites.

Pikmin (along with Timesplitters) are my fave games, can't wait to play this one!

I want a Pikmin Imp T-shirt NOW!

I really think that the posters here making fatuous complaints about spurious offenses in this video are missing the big picture.

Not once but twice Yahtzee references the idea of drowning innocent animals. Where is your compassion there? Where is the ASPCA, where is PETA? Who will look after our innocent four-footed furry friends? WHO!? Is there no balm in Gilead?

Also Yahtzee, my Gran was offended by some of the language used in this episode. I'm talking about the word German. She's English and is still terribly bitter over the war. Perhaps you could edit out the word German and replace it with something more my Gran friendly, the word Hun springs to mind.

Well, unless Triads counts, this is the first August since well... ever, that there hasn't been a Retro Review.

Loved the Genocide magazine joke and found the episode hilarious, I would get the game but that would involve getting a Wii U as well as playing the game. Can't wait for the Saints Row IV review.

PunkRex:
Funny enough. it's implied that the Pikmin are indeed Parasites.

Well, actually, Pikmin aren't parasitic as a whole, but one subspecies of Pikmin are parasitic and you can control the fan-favorite Bulbmin: Bulborbs infested with the parasitic species of Pikmin. [/Played too much Pikmin back in the day]

As for myself; my issues with Pikmin 3 are two-fold, unfortunately. The first thing are the controls. I'm sorry, but they're just not good. The Wii U gamepad is decent in that it gives you a map on the touch screen, you have a full set of buttons to work with, etc. Unfortunately, the controls for the cross-hair to throw your Pikmin with is "about as tight as a female pornstar in German Scat Porn"[sic] and flies all over the damn place with little rhyme or reason making aiming a nightmare. The Wii-mote has the decency to have better aiming controls (assuming your Wii-mote isn't being a finicky pain in the ass that given day), but you lose your map (yes, I know you can still use the touch pad while controlling with the Wii-mote, but I don't have 4 arms, and setting down one controller every time I need to pick up the other is just stupid) and good camera controls. Instead of being able to pan your view naturally, you are limited to only being able to lock the camera on the enemy or auto-correcting the camera to be behind your captain, causing your camera angle to jerk and careen about in a ridiculous, jarring fashion.

As for the game itself, it just doesn't feel like its own thing. It tries too hard to be like "hey, remember all this cool stuff from the first two games?" without adding anything interesting of its own. Even the final boss, the Plasma Wraith, is nothing more than a nod to the super creepy Water Wraith from Pikmin 2 - a boss enemy that appears a single time in one of the optional side dungeons hidden in the game. Pikmin 3 is just so short, having completed it 100% in less than 8 hours, and doesn't leave any real lasting impressions aside from the fact it looks very nice. There's barely any content outside of the main game (where there is a SINGLE save file, and they expect you to "replay" days to get your money's worth out the game) and the few bonus missions, which are simply boss rematches and playing in a small section of the levels already present in the main game with some collection goal. Compare to Pikmin 2, where the bonus missions were self contained areas with a completely unique design and enemy set up. There's no "Piklopedia," the fantastic option from the second game that gives information about all the enemies, plants, and even collectables in the game.

...Ehh, let's just say Pikmin 3 is another example of those amaaazzzziiinnggg Nintendo titles that have nothing really wrong with them, but they're so by the numbers and play it safe to the point that they come out simply mediocre if you're looking for something new and interesting or with any real depth to it.

TL;DR

Uuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggg

I laughed at the German text for a few minutes. For reference, on the box it says "The nicer shit" while the TV text is "MMM You've eaten corn" XD

Llarys:

PunkRex:
Funny enough. it's implied that the Pikmin are indeed Parasites.

Well, actually, Pikmin aren't parasitic as a whole, but one subspecies of Pikmin are parasitic and you can control the fan-favorite Bulbmin: Bulborbs infested with the parasitic species of Pikmin. [/Played too much Pikmin back in the day]

I too clocked silly numbers on the previous games, I used to just sit in the Forest Navel and listen to the music, thats my fave game level... alongside Black Velvetopia from Psychonauts. I'd love for Nintendo to realease an artbook with some Pikmin biology stuff in it.

Llarys:
There's no "Piklopedia," the fantastic option from the second game that gives information about all the enemies, plants, and even collectables in the game.

Woah, woah, woah, wait a minute... they removed the Piklopedia!?

Ayay:
Never could get into the first game .this looks the same so screw it . And btw her i was thinking Yahtzee was a manīs man but sitting down taking a pee hmm thats so girly ;)

to be fair, you try pissing standing up while playing a game on your handheld or smartphone.

just a tip, be sure to use lysol or bleach to clean up when you're done.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
Aside from that, I love how Yahtzee complains about how modern games are so drab and brown and gritty, yet when a game comes along with some actual colour and some fantastic art design, he mocks it for being 'twee' and 'for babies'. I mean, people stopped using that argument years ago, when the common consensus became that it's actually a damn good game franchise.

I think that it has less to do with the game actually being for kids and more with the fact that Yathzee is pretty much the most bitter person on this site. I mean, I don't have a problem with colourful, for example, but I don't watch MLP* because it looks so saccharine that I can't handle it.

*And I won't watch it, shut up bronies.

I wonder which jokes Yahtzee removed this week so that the (real) whiny PC brigade wouldn't whine to his bosses to get something changed...

OT: This kind of makes me want to pick up the previous pikmin games for the GC and Wii to play through them..

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

just use the Gamepad

Nope sorry. Apparently I have really small hands or something, but I find the pad controller extremely uncomfortable. To me the best possible scheme would be to do most things with the pro controller while the gamepad sits next to you for easy access to the minimap and quick commands to the other two commanders.

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