Movie Defense Force: Daredevil

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Daredevil

With Ben Affleck enduring scorn for the crime of accepting a Batman role, Movie Defense Force takes pity and offers some praise for his last superhero outing, the ever-mocked Daredevil. This is a show without fear, after all.

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The only experience I've ever had was a snippet of the movie while channel surfing. The bit that I saw seemed really good, and I was sad that I had to leave before it was over. Flashforward a few years, I find out that the movie supposedly sucks and everyone hates it. Glad to see someone agrees with me that it wasn't all that bad

Now, I don't know. I feel like I've seen enough defenses for this movie, particularly the directors cut that this seems too easy to have done. I guess it was for the topical-ness of it. If you want a challenge, try the latest Die Hard movie, A Good Day to Die Hard.

I remember seeing this like five years ago. People made it out to be complete shit, but it was alright.

Speaking of complete shit, Jim, please do Batman and Robin one of these days. That movie is glorious and amazing and hilarious and could use a good defending.

Too subdued an atmosphere for larger then life characters, rampant abuse of CGI, altogether unsatisfying climax and lead to the spin-off Electra. I call that the Failtastic Four. (BTW you have to review that now).

Still none that was Affleck's fault, I just hate seeing him do dark and brooding again. More Sam Raimi and less Chris Nolan.

Thank you Jim. I didn't mind Daredevil when it came out. Like the character but don't read the comic so the movie worked for me. Besides, any comic that runs for a long enough run eventually turns to crap due to a continuity that is dictated by a string of writers who don't know/care about what the previous/following writers do with the character/story.

Comics are a lot like professional wrestling. Once the audience is aware of all the standard tricks and tropes, repeat consumption is merely based on being a fanboy/girl on the property.

Max Payne next! That movie needs recognition as a fine videogame movie.

The writing's not that great, but I feel the weakest part of this film is Daredevil itself. The character just doesn't translate well to modern times. I really think that a lot of these types of characters should, if they're still being written, be written in a universe that isn't modern times, or evolve them to fit such as how batman only really works in a setting that's postwar 1940's, or a cyberpunk dystopia because of what his character does. Still, acting's fine, action scenes were okay, the lawyer part could've been spiced up if the creative team had a few goes at Phoenix Wright before writing. What we truly needed to fix this film though, is a more modern version of Daredevil that would still be relevant in 20 years, so 1) No tron suit, 2) keep him blind, it's his trademark, 3) Drop the echovision, and instead use the effects budget to make a soundscape that draws the audience into the heightened hearing. This isn't a complete list, but it's a start.

I remember watching this movie when I was a kid and I thought it was awesome, but what kid doesn't think that anything superhero related is awesome? As I grew up I started hearing how bad it supposedly was but I still couldn't see it, maybe I wasn't classy enough to see the flaws or maybe nostalgia. This movie made me a fan of Ben Affleck.

I felt some joy when I heard they were making a new one with the same cast, too bad it didn't materialize. On the bright side, marvel got the character rights back.

Now I can understand it's flaws and I agree that it doesn't have the depth of something like Spiderman 2 or The Dark Knight but hell, back then nothing did. This movie gets more crap than it deserves really, is not a masterpiece for sure, but is it the worst thing to happen to the superhero genre? I don't think so. And if we're getting REALLY picky, Daredevil has better fights than any of Nolan's Batman movies.

Jim gotta defend Elektra now, good luck.

PD: Daredevil came 10 years ago, ugh... I feel old.

Thank you, Jim! I've been defending this movie every chance I get! It does Daredevil the character a great service, and Ben Affleck has said that he's a huge fan of the comics. I think it busted at the box office because it was around the time Spider-Man 2 had come out, and it ended up being edited to look like a less kid-friendly Spider-Man. I think the Director's Cut was the version that should've been released in theaters because THAT was the Daredevil movie. We saw Matt and Foggy working a case alongside the main plot, and the two weren't completely disconnected. And even if they were, that wouldn't have been a bad thing.

Well done, Jim.

Elektra: I am now fighting you for no reason other than to prove that I am capable of kicking ass, because I am a woman and that needs to be established immediately, in whatever crude way possible, because you won't believe it if we don't beat you over the head with it.

Ben Afleck: The fuck?

would love to see his chin act as batman. :D

Personaly I am indifferent about Afleck as Batman. As time has gone by my opinion of the Nolan films has droped alot (tho Ledger still crushed being the Joker) and I always considered Bale as Batman to be the weakest part of the movies even when I still found them entertaining.

I was more annoyed at hearing that it would be Batman Vs Superman and not Batman AND Superman. Batman has only ever won these fights in the past due to kryptonite or because he is the Batman so he gets plot armor. That and I did not like Man of Steel that much.

RJ Dalton:
Elektra: I am now fighting you for no reason other than to prove that I am capable of kicking ass, because I am a woman and that needs to be established immediately, in whatever crude way possible, because you won't believe it if we don't beat you over the head with it.

Ben Afleck: The fuck?

Yeah, that was a really REALLY weird part in the movie... worst, at that moment, she thinks he's a blind man... who the heck goes around beating blind person to show they're "capable of kicking asses" ? :|

When Tristram is ashes, you have my permission to Stay Awhile, and Listen.

I always thought this movie was pretty cool (Unlike the Elektra spin-off) Except for the weird way the Bulls eye character was done. But seeing Kingpin, especially portrayed by the huge guy that MC Duncan was.

I would like a better approach to that "awful movie" part though, since I felt Silent Hill "2" would've been the right choice, of pretty much the one "new" good videogame movie imo that was the first one. Or Mortal Kombat/Street Fighter, of which I never heard of any hate, rather than a "the movie's silly but entertaining".

Arslan Aladeen:
Now, I don't know. I feel like I've seen enough defenses for this movie, particularly the directors cut that this seems too easy to have done. I guess it was for the topical-ness of it. If you want a challenge, try the latest Die Hard movie, A Good Day to Die Hard.

What? You mean you didn't like the ultra innovative nemesis russian bad-person

Well... yeah, I thought it was completely shit too.

Eh... I still don't care for Affleck as an actor. Perhaps its just me never getting the idea that its Ben Affleck out of my head when I'm suppose to see him as the character he's playing. Not super against him as Batman, but I haven't really liked any of the actors who've played batman. Meh. I don't see why people are that against him specifically being batman in the next superman movie, but I never found him to be that good an actor.

OH WELL

Good defense Jim. I don't agree but your arguments are well reasoned at the very least.

So, Jimmy,, did you see the director's cut? The reason the theater version don't really work is supposedly because it was chopped up and glued together agian with all the good parts missing.

Drake666:
Yeah, that was a really REALLY weird part in the movie... worst, at that moment, she thinks he's a blind man... who the heck goes around beating blind person to show they're "capable of kicking asses" ? :|

In Hollywood terminology, "strong woman" is synonymous with "borderline psychopath."

My problem with Daredevil was the writing. Daredevil seems to get more and more psychotic throughout the movie without any real explanation why. Matt Murdoch and Elektra's romance is almost puppy-love levels of cutesy without any real substance or chemistry and because no real explanation is given for Elektra having ninja skills, she just has them and we're supposed to accept it because this is Daredevil's movie, not hers. It would have been better to extend the fight between Daredevil and Bull's Eye into a more satisfying climax and tone down Wilson Fisk's roll to be more of an ominous presence over the criminal underworld instead of a chuckling Chesire Cat who's secret identity is more of an open secret so obvious that we get annoyed waiting for DD to catch up. I would have preferred to see Stick instead of Elektra, training DD in his youth and setting him on his path.

There's so much they could have done better with the character but they avoided it for a bland romance plot and an unsatisfying conclusion.

As for Affleck, yeah, I don't have any real problems with his acting. In the DD mask he had the perfect menacing look, he can even do that tooth-baring snarl so many actors can't that looks like it was taken right out of the comics. As Matt he looked believably blind. Watching him do gymnastics in full-daylight in front of a bunch of witnesses is really stupid, but that wasn't his call, was it?

As someone who knew next to nothing about the character coming in to the film, I thought it was, well, OK. I certainly couldn't understand why people thought it was so terrible, but it didn't really make an impression on me either way. Oddly, I remember liking the Elektra spin-off much more.

I think most of the problem is just that people couldn't get rid of the Ben Affleck baggage. At the time, he and Matt Damon were these wunderkinds who had turned up and taken Hollywood by storm, but they still had that young pup image (it's hard to remember a time before Bourne when the idea of Matt Damon as an action hero was crazy). So people had real trouble taking Affleck seriously. But there was really nothing wrong with his performance and I agree with MovieBob's opinion that he could genuinely be a really good Batman.

DareDevil was fine and in specific if you've actually followed bullseye in the last 5 years or so Colin Ferrell is spot on. No not the fuckin costume but the actual character was perfect in attitude and demeanor.

My only real complaint about the film overall was regarding Micheal Clark Duncan and jennifer garner performances were lame and overtop campy making the film pretty miserable to sit through.

DVS BSTrD:
Too subdued an atmosphere for larger then life characters, rampant abuse of CGI, altogether unsatisfying climax and lead to the spin-off Electra. I call that the Failtastic Four. (BTW you have to review that now).

Still none that was Affleck's fault, I just hate seeing him do dark and brooding again. More Sam Raimi and less Chris Nolan.

My thoughts as well. I actually didn't think DareDevil was all that bad, but the flaws it did have were pretty much not at all due to Affleck's acting or his involvement with the movie. It's rather frustrating when so much of the Affleck as Batman hate comes down to "But he was in DareDevil and that movie sucked!" when he didn't have anything to do with the failings of DareDevil the movie. If you don't like Affleck for whatever reason, that's cool, but at least come up with reasons that make sense.

I enjoyed the film, but it's been 8 years since last viewing and my tastes have changed.
Got a hold of the directors cut (supposedly better) so will need to watch it to confirm it's awesomeness.

Another film (most people disliked) I loved was The Punisher - Thomas Jane, John Travolta

These graphic novel/comic book movies have their own identity and unique tone.
Unlike Thor, captain america, green lantern, amazing spiderman, even xmen. which seem to follow a standard formula.

except xmen first class- at least that had feels

I notice Jim doesn't mention Jennifer Garner in her turn as Elektra at all. Which is completely reasonable, because Jennifer Garner was easily the worst casting decision in the film. Not because I think she's a bad actor -- she's not -- but she was just really poorly suited to the role. It doesn't help that Elektra was so bizarrely written. "Hey, a blind dude's hitting on me; guess I should beat him up in front of a playground full of children." What?

Still, 'Daredevil' is a fun movie. Especially the director's cut.

I don't think I've seen this movie, at least not in it's entirety. I'm not overly familiar with the source material either so I can't really comment on it either way.

I only really liked the DC version, plus the movie actually improved and added cool ideas like how DD sleeps in the sound proof water coffin, hell his house and powers was well imagined.

I never got why peeps hated this film so much, it was one of my favourite Super-Hero films when I was younger. As you said, the atmosphere was stylish and the acting was good, especially Duncan.

Also, dat sound track, Evanescence and Drowning Pool feat Rob Zombie!

Electra on the other hand... *groan*

The problem with the Daredevil film was the theatrical release, which cut out so many key plot details (to reduce running time) that they essentially reduced its rating by "a star," so to speak.

For anyone that hasn't seen this film, then they *definitely* want to see the "Director's Cut" version. The commentary for this version is worthwhile as well because it elaborates about how they were seeking to convey the character growth of the Matt Murdock character.

I've never seen it before, but it certainly doesn't look that bad. I hear people talk about it in the same breath that they talk about Steel and Catwoman in, and I reckon that's very probably unfair...

...this is the part where you defend Steel and Catwoman isn't it?

In fairness, what I remember about Daredevil was not "god, that movie sucked" or even "Ben Affleck was miscast/ did a terrible job."

What I remember was "Christ, that's got to be the grimmest and most violent PG-13 movie I've ever seen in my life."

Until I saw Les Mis, the "grimmest" part at least would have stood.

I think my main problems with it were:

A)The soundtrack and overall production design focused too much on angst.

B)Electra's motivation for hating DD is a bit ridiculous.

having never seen this film, you just persuaded me to watch it with this review.
Thanks, Jim.

Sgt. Sykes:
Max Payne next! That movie needs recognition as a fine videogame movie.

That movie is the video game in name only, the characters are their characters in name only, on its own merits I don't think it's too bad, but it certainly has nothing to do with the game.

I only just watched this film the other day and I've gotta say...It's god awful. Seriously one of the worst films I've ever watched, sure a lot of the actors are good in their role, the casting of Bullseye and Kingpin are brill even if Bullseye does look like a gimp. Also it does kinda miss the point with Daredevil on some bits, like how he kills a man and then signs his name with fire...No Daredevil wouldn't do that, he doesn't kill and he's certainly not showy, he's a street hero. He'll cripple people all fine and dandy but he won't be flashy about it. Also how come once blind he can instantly do parkour and kung fu. They miss the training, the years of prep'. Nope, screw that, instant mad sick skills. Also his interactions with Foggy seem a bit off to me.
More problems with the actual film instead of the depictions of characters the soundtrack's all wrong and it just seems poorly paced and honestly I can not remember the plot at all, was there even a plot, the cgi's kinda shoddy but I'll let that slide due to tech limitations.

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