Summer School - Part I

Summer School - Part I

Summer wasn't a particularly enjoyable crop, but at least it was an interesting one where even the failures had something to teach us. For example...

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I must be one of the 4 people in the world that like the Riddick movies. Even the second one, although I was frustrated that they seemed to have built this whole mythos and never explained any of it.

castlewise:
I must be one of the 4 people in the world that like the Riddick movies. Even the second one, although I was frustrated that they seemed to have built this whole mythos and never explained any of it.

(In before people start shouting at you to read the Dune books) I liked the Riddick movies too. Vin Diesel is kinda ludicrous, but they're not bad by most definitions.

You're not alone in thinking that this summer you got tired of the rides. The problem to me, is the movies and the sameness of them all. Too many of the movies just look like they were written by an accountant where you know the entire movie before even walking in the theater.

Another question, would Iron Man 3 have made as much money if it released in mid July as opposed to the first week of May? Sure I liked the movie, but would it have done as well had audiences already gotten their fill of explosions for the summer. Granted it had the best twist of the summer, and had a solid plot, so that does help.

And finally, blockbuster popcorn movies are supposed to be fun. Marvel and Disney seem to have figured this out, but everyone else is just too serious for their own good. Man of Steel, Star Trek, (something else), etc... They were all too self important for themselves. I think that's what Marvel/Disney have figured out, they're just movies, while you can touch on real world issues, don't make them the issue. In Iron Man 3 the issue was terrorism but the movie was about Tony Stark/Iron Man.

I don't know, you're the critic, I'm just trying to add to the conversation on how I felt this summer.

Thunderous Cacophony:

castlewise:
I must be one of the 4 people in the world that like the Riddick movies. Even the second one, although I was frustrated that they seemed to have built this whole mythos and never explained any of it.

(In before people start shouting at you to read the Dune books) I liked the Riddick movies too. Vin Diesel is kinda ludicrous, but they're not bad by most definitions.

Well I guess that makes me number 3 then, because I liked them too & i'm really looking forward to the next one.

MovieBob:
That's not good news for when his blockbuster clout really does dry up and serious projects are wary of casting him for fear of residual Tonto jokes tainting their prospects.

May I be the first to coin the term 'Tonto taint' for this phenomena? There are entredres which I think do justice to the stinker. In the future when it looks like Depp has been cast to wear a funny hat and draw attention from an otherwise phlegmatic endeavor we can caution that his Tonto taint is showing, so look away. Look away!

Captcha was 'silver lining'... ok, perhaps the horse was very good but I can't imagine it made Lone Ranger worth watching.

Thunderous Cacophony:

castlewise:
I must be one of the 4 people in the world that like the Riddick movies. Even the second one, although I was frustrated that they seemed to have built this whole mythos and never explained any of it.

(In before people start shouting at you to read the Dune books) I liked the Riddick movies too. Vin Diesel is kinda ludicrous, but they're not bad by most definitions.

Sure, I'm with you guys. The first did a lot with a small budget. The second was was... well, not weird, just not the movie I expected, though given my low expectations this was totally a value added feature. Also, I'm faintly mystified / impressed that Dame Dench was in it.

But whereas the expensive Down had a disappointingly average debut at the boxoffice, the low-budget Olympus opened earlier in the year and did tidy business for itself. Lesson learned: Get there first.

Although Olympus (according to wikipedia anyway) had the bigger box office, it was only by $30 million. If it had had the same box office Down had it still would have been a financial success because it had less than half the budget. I wouldn't say that the lesson is so much get their first as it is, don't have a budget that you aren't sure you'll be able to make back.

That or don't have shitty trailers. Because I'll be honest, Of the trailers that were aired on TV for the two, I would have pegged White House Down as looking substantially less interesting and even completely stupid. But that may be because I have trouble taking Channing Tatum seriously as an action star.

Minor additional topic - Ryan Reynolds should pretty much never be the lead actor: any time he's prominently featured as the main character in a mainstream movie, said film dies a horrible death (RIPD was one of the big duds this year and Turbo didn't do much better). It seems when he's the sidekick or not the focus of audience interest (Croods, Origins Wolverine, The Proposal, Safe House) or in a lower budget film he does a bit better. Thing is I don't feel he's a bad actor - he just has really bad timing and taste in projects.

Predicted topic - Horror is doing really, really well. Obviously they have for a while, but I'm wondering if there's a more interesting trend being expressed through the successes of Purge and Conjuring.

Bob did you say Iron Man 3 was the best in its trilogy?

Bob wat r u

"The best of its own trilogy by far"
-Bob 'Moviebob' Chipman

Bob

Stahp :'(

It walks a deft tightrope between utilizing archetypal characters while effortlessly breaking Hollywood rules about the function of women and people of color in "big" movies.

Using archetypes I see, breaking rules, I don't see. The major characters under discussion? Tough black police chief who dresses down the protagonists a lot and the asian martial artist sidekick? These are ancient stereotypes.

I can't wait for next week, where he will bitch about Nolan. AGAIN! Because of course he will.

I have actually been feeling the same way you did about this summer for a few years now, everything seems to be the same as everything else and to me that is because every movie is like every other movie. It reminds me of how I felt about Oblivion, I was able to guess almost every single plot twist in the movie based on the trailer alone.

As far as Riddick goes, I wasn't demanding it but now that its coming to theaters I will probably go see it for it reminds me more of Pitch Black then Chronicles. That and I tend to be more interested in a movie that tries to be different then a clone of everything else out there which seems to make up a good chunk of the available movies.

castlewise:
I must be one of the 4 people in the world that like the Riddick movies. Even the second one, although I was frustrated that they seemed to have built this whole mythos and never explained any of it.

Everyone I've talked to about is as completely fucking stocked about the new Riddick movie as I am. Seems only reviewers don't like it!
Also, Chronicles Of Riddick was always meant to be a trilogy. It was sold as a trilogy, and if Diesel had to get all blackmaily to get them to continue it, that just shows that Hollywood, once again, wasn't keeping its word. That's excluding Pitch Black btw, which was just a character introduction type of tale.

It's still probably going to bomb though, it's been too long since the first movie. It will also be rated R, apparently The Underverse is kind of a naughty place.

Anyway, between that stab at the only movie besides The Hobbit that I'm interested in this year, and saying Iron Man 3 was the best in the trilogy, I don't think this guy has any clue what he's talking about. Glad I never read any of his other stuff.

It's a shame Pacific Rim still lost money even as a success in China as I would like a prequel (or what Pacific Rim should have been about in the first place THE START OF THE WAR!)

The problem with China is that in most countries 50% of ticket sales go to the syudio but for chinese ticket sales only 25% go to the studio so unless China starts co-funding the films being a success there doesn't help as much as it could for films that don't do well in the US.

Pyrian:

It walks a deft tightrope between utilizing archetypal characters while effortlessly breaking Hollywood rules about the function of women and people of color in "big" movies.

Using archetypes I see, breaking rules, I don't see. The major characters under discussion? Tough black police chief who dresses down the protagonists a lot and the asian martial artist sidekick? These are ancient stereotypes.

Let's not forget the film spent the first half deciding if Asian Girl and White Guy were gonna hook up or not.

Pacific Rim was an ok film, not great, and certainly not ground breaking

Kumagawa Misogi:
It's a shame Pacific Rim still lost money even as a success in China as I would like a prequel (or what Pacific Rim should have been about in the first place THE START OF THE WAR!)

The problem with China is that in most countries 50% of ticket sales go to the syudio but for chinese ticket sales only 25% go to the studio so unless China starts co-funding the films being a success there doesn't help as much as it could for films that don't do well in the US.

I'm not sure where you get your numbers, but Pacific Rim DID make money. It almost doubled it'd budget iirc.

And that was more so thanks to the great showing over seas

I'm surprised Pacific Rim did so well in China, considering their Jaeger gets so pathetically trounced while fighting two-on-one in their first on-screen battle.

Sovereignty:

Kumagawa Misogi:
It's a shame Pacific Rim still lost money even as a success in China as I would like a prequel (or what Pacific Rim should have been about in the first place THE START OF THE WAR!)

The problem with China is that in most countries 50% of ticket sales go to the syudio but for chinese ticket sales only 25% go to the studio so unless China starts co-funding the films being a success there doesn't help as much as it could for films that don't do well in the US.

I'm not sure where you get your numbers, but Pacific Rim DID make money. It almost doubled it'd budget iirc.

And that was more so thanks to the great showing over seas

Pacific Rim's production budget was $190 million so it needs a box office gross of $380 million to break even as the studio gets 50% while the theater chain gets the other 50% except for China were the stuido only gets 25%.

Current gross excluding China is $288 million so the studio gets $144 million.

China's current gross is $110 million of which the studio gets $27.5 million.

So the Studio has so far made $171.5 million on a production budget of $190 million.

It's weird to say I'm a little at odds with Bob on some of this stuff. Who wants Riddick? Well..me! I recently sat down and rewatched CoR to remind myself why it was good or bad. Honestly I still enjoyed it. It's definitely not deep or thoughtful but it was very pretty and entertaining popcorn scifi flick. In particular the ending was very cool. Its kind of like the Nerd version of F&F. Actually no thats exactly what it is even in VD's mind. Its junk on screen with aliens. Were Leviathan or Deep Star Six timeless classics like Abyss? No but they were fun to watch and films like those should keep being made.

Everyone I know is pretty excited to see the trilogy conclusion.

Iron Man 3? bleeegh boring rehash of the first 2 with nothing learned or any emotional depth. They should have just used the plot from the comics scene for scene Ezekial Stanes story and action were great, why mess with it?

Yeah pain & Gain was awesome. Man Olympus has fallen was really bad It was nonstop action and somehow it just put me to sleep. I think Gerald Butler does not and never will have bruce willis's screen presence.

No, Johnny Depp will be fine mainly because Pirates 4 made like a billion dollars or some unreasonable some of money for a movie I can't remember a single scene from.

Thats about it I agree with the rest of the article.

Na, I'm the Riddick lovers. I've loved the Riddick movies since I was a little kid. Once I found out a third was being made I couldn't stop smiling. Plenty of folks I've talked to have said that they can't wait for it to hit theaters either. So why the major downplay on Riddick, I don't know, guess reviewers just don't like 'em.

Well, this column wasn't as vitriolic and angry as I expected it too. So, good for Bob?

MacNille:
I can't wait for next week, where he will bitch about Nolan. AGAIN! Because of course he will.

Dude, DO NOT give him ideas.

captcha:"find your soul paint" where this weekend?

Dafuq is "soul paint"?

Completely agree with Bob about the completely average Summer Movie season. Only 3 movies were above average this year: The World's End, The Heat, and Now You See Me. I give some credit to Spring Breakers and Pain & Gain for at least attempting to do something interesting. The worst summer movie, having seen The Lone Ranger & The Wrath of Khan remake, is Iron Man 3. It reminded me of the Patton Oswalt bit about talking to George Lucas before he filmed the Star Wars prequels. "Hey! Do you like the first 2 Iron Man movies and The Avengers? Well, we are going to completely throw all that away. Now I'm going to have Tony Starks out of the power suit for about 90% of the movie. It's going to be like a 1970's TV detective show. Where Tony is running around on foot chasing clues about a mystery."

Actually, Hansel and Gretel did $55m in the U.S. on a $50m budget, so it didn't even really bomb stateside. It didn't do blockbuster business there-- but did anyone ever think it would?

Wonder if the hypothesized-to-be PG-13 sequel will be able to pull the same trick. Seriously, the grim (and arguably misogynistic) tone may have been all that set it apart from a dozen similar movies that barely raise their heads in the theaters before vanishing into the video market.

(Fail to learn the lesson of Brothers Grimm and Jack the Giant Slayer at your peril, guys.)

I'm actually kind of looking forward to Riddick, too. Sure, at this point it's kind of the movie version of watching the GM's NPC kick ass while the player characters stand around and look befuddled- but it's rarely dull, unimaginative and by the numbers, and god knows there's still plenty of that to go 'round.

I also like the Riddick movies. It just tickles me that Vin Diesel uses the money and leverage he gets from his "dudebro" franchise to keep making movies in his "nerd" franchise.

Lionsfan:
Pacific Rim was an ok film, not great, and certainly not ground breaking

In an earlier time or a better film year, I might have agreed. But this summer was so full of disappointments, this well-made film with a simple plot was far better than all the messy SERIOUS BUSINESS blockbusters surrounding it. Comedy's not my favourite genre, and I'm definitely not a horror guy, and yet this summer the best films I saw were This Is The End, The Heat, The World's End, and The Conjuring. Meanwhile, other than Iron Man 3 and Pacific Rim, every other action blockbuster left me really disappointed.

Kumagawa Misogi:
Pacific Rim's production budget was $190 million so it needs a box office gross of $380 million to break even as the studio gets 50% while the theater chain gets the other 50% except for China were the stuido only gets 25%.

It used to be that for domestic box office, the Hollywood studios made 90% of the ticket sales while theatre owners made 10% for the first two weeks of release, then the studio and theatre would split the take 50/50 after that. But for the last decade or so, the studios have been able to negotiate far more advantageous deals for themselves.

International box office only pays the studio 25-50% generally, depending on the country in question.

I've seen people cry for another Riddick film for years now (and with good reason). Bob is making the old internet faux pas of assuming that me = everyone.

I have to say, I really don't get the reaction to Iron Man 3. I thought it was bloated, meandering, fairly idiotic and way too full of incoherent set pieces. The thing that baffles me is that I've been lukewarm on all of the Marvel films apart from the first Iron Man and the Avengers and I'm used to my opinion on those films being somewhat out of sync with everyone else, but this time around even people who dislike the Marvel movies more than I do are saying "actually yeah, that one was pretty good!"

I just don't see what other people found so appealing about the movie.

Penguin_Factory:
I have to say, I really don't get the reaction to Iron Man 3. I thought it was bloated, meandering, fairly idiotic and way too full of incoherent set pieces. The thing that baffles me is that I've been lukewarm on all of the Marvel films apart from the first Iron Man and the Avengers and I'm used to my opinion on those films being somewhat out of sync with everyone else, but this time around even people who dislike the Marvel movies more than I do are saying "actually yeah, that one was pretty good!"

I just don't see what other people found so appealing about the movie.

People like it because it's essentially a Shane Black movie with Iron Man skin. Shane Black is an incredibly talented writer and filmmaker.

It also had a good balance of fun and serious, a really interesting twist, and some really solid humor and action. It wasn't overly stupid and it remembered that Iron Man is supposed to a goddamned hero.

Falseprophet:
I also like the Riddick movies. It just tickles me that Vin Diesel uses the money and leverage he gets from his "dudebro" franchise to keep making movies in his "nerd" franchise.

Lionsfan:
Pacific Rim was an ok film, not great, and certainly not ground breaking

In an earlier time or a better film year, I might have agreed. But this summer was so full of disappointments, this well-made film with a simple plot was far better than all the messy SERIOUS BUSINESS blockbusters surrounding it. Comedy's not my favourite genre, and I'm definitely not a horror guy, and yet this summer the best films I saw were This Is The End, The Heat, The World's End, and The Conjuring. Meanwhile, other than Iron Man 3 and Pacific Rim, every other action blockbuster left me really disappointed.

I dunno, just because it was better than other films this year doesn't mean it's this groundbreaking film that's going to revolutionize storytelling, or one that broke all the Hollywood rules

I'm gonna break this article down to each example.

I will agree that Johnny Depp has suffered from overexposure and has made a lot of mistakes with his current film career. Johnny needs to take a much needed break from all of this and reevaluate his options. Perhaps go back to simple independent movies or maybe work behind the camera. It's a thought.

Right now, Marvel Studios is the 800 pound gorilla and is riding a damn good wave. As long as they don't make any fatal mistakes (like milking each movie franchise too much) and play their cards right, they will be a major player in Hollywood for the foreseeable future.

Bay should stick to what he knows best-mindless action films not based on popular franchises. He has no passion for his TF movies and it shows. Even his production company does a piss-poor job with well known horror franchises. Plus, the man can't do deep subject material; mostly because he's about as deep as a shot glass. Just let him play in his own sandbox and make Bad Boys III or whatever floats his boat.

I'm kinda glad that America is no longer the "be all, end all" final voice when it comes to a movie's success. It makes movies like Pacific Rim find a wider audience and give directors like Del Toro a better shot at making movies he wants. But that can have a flip side to it since bad movies can find a life outside the US.

This one is relative to the final entry. I am upset that You're Next didn't do well at the box office but it wasn't due to The Purge coming in theaters first. It was partly due to Lionsgate doing a piss poor job marketing You're Next to moviegoers; mainly their trailers just showing off another home invasion horror movie instead of highlighting the qualities (I.E. its dark humor and having a far more capable protagonist) that make it stand out.

MovieBob:
Summer School - Part I

Summer wasn't a particularly enjoyable crop, but at least it was an interesting one where even the failures had something to teach us. For example...

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hey Bob, why not do a Big Picture on the whole Riddick thing when the next film is released?
could be interesting to hear how it got green lit for a third, othe than keeping Vin sweet for another Fast Furious

Just to pip up in favour of Vin Diesel... He stood his ground on the Riddick movie because he actually, say what you like about him, pays real attention to his fans.

That's why the movie isn't so much a follow up to Chronicles as it is a follow up to Pitch Black, something fans really HAVE been chomping for for years, self very much included.

The guy keeps a personal and very close eye on his Facebook page, and he's got like 46 million+ fans.

Imma go back and read the article now, just wanted to speak up, loads of people wanted Riddick and have done for many years.

Falseprophet:
I also like the Riddick movies. It just tickles me that Vin Diesel uses the money and leverage he gets from his "dudebro" franchise to keep making movies in his "nerd" franchise.

Fun Vin Diesel trivia. He loves D&D and back in the day when he wasn't earning money being a bouncer he was practising his acting with games. By far the most excited I've ever heard him is in this interview, it's awesome. The audio anyway, it was filmed on a toothbrush.

In this thread: people saying how they didn't like movies everyone else seemed to... :p

As for the article:

The problem isn't that people are suck of Depp, but rather that studios seem to think that sticking him in a movie is the "I WIN!" button of boxoffice success. It isn't. Take Pirates - sure, Depp is one of the major reasons those movies were so fun, but he's not the only one; those were fun movies in their own right, with all of the cast putting out solid performances. Except the 4th one, which sucked, despite Depp, whose performance wasn't enough to carry the movie.

Also, glad to see that Hollywood is realizing that overseas markets can bring in a lot of cash. I just feel kinda bad for the Chinese - they loved Pacific Rim, but their country's Jaeger got curbstomped in its first battle... :(

Thunderous Cacophony:

castlewise:
I must be one of the 4 people in the world that like the Riddick movies. Even the second one, although I was frustrated that they seemed to have built this whole mythos and never explained any of it.

(In before people start shouting at you to read the Dune books) I liked the Riddick movies too. Vin Diesel is kinda ludicrous, but they're not bad by most definitions.

Ummm, perhaps I'm missing something here, but what has Riddick got to do with Dune? Granted, I read only the early ones (Children of Dune was the last I did), and I know there's like a few dozen of them beyond that (most of them not by Frank Herbert), so it's likely that I'm missing something obvious...

Jandau:
Ummm, perhaps I'm missing something here, but what has Riddick got to do with Dune? Granted, I read only the early ones (Children of Dune was the last I did), and I know there's like a few dozen of them beyond that (most of them not by Frank Herbert), so it's likely that I'm missing something obvious...

It's actually really obvious; I'm apparently a complete idiot. I thought the two were part of the same franchise/universe, but a quick Googling reveals that Riddick is only "inspired" by Dune. Carry on being well-informed.

 

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