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Saints Row IV DLC

New DLC for Saints Row IV.

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If not for the aliens, I'd swear this was Saints Row 3.

Sorry, this is some of the first gameplay I've actually seen.

Generic DLC rage, rawr rawr...At least the costumes and stuff aren't things removed from a previous version of the game for "clipping" issues this time.

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Zachary Amaranth:
If not for the aliens, I'd swear this was Saints Row 3.

Sorry, this is some of the first gameplay I've actually seen.

Generic DLC rage, rawr rawr...At least the costumes and stuff aren't things removed from a previous version of the game for "clipping" issues this time.

no, instead, the entire GAME is just dlc that was removed from a previous game. Seriously, this was just supposed to be SR3 dlc. I love the series, but I refuse to continue supporting it after seeing how they handled dlc in SR3. I'm sure it was just THQ milking its cash cow, hoping to stay alive, but it still showed a complete disrespect for the gamers.

martyrdrebel27:
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Zachary Amaranth:
If not for the aliens, I'd swear this was Saints Row 3.

Sorry, this is some of the first gameplay I've actually seen.

Generic DLC rage, rawr rawr...At least the costumes and stuff aren't things removed from a previous version of the game for "clipping" issues this time.

no, instead, the entire GAME is just dlc that was removed from a previous game. Seriously, this was just supposed to be SR3 dlc. I love the series, but I refuse to continue supporting it after seeing how they handled dlc in SR3. I'm sure it was just THQ milking its cash cow, hoping to stay alive, but it still showed a complete disrespect for the gamers.

Then you're missing a great game.

mjharper:

martyrdrebel27:
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Zachary Amaranth:
If not for the aliens, I'd swear this was Saints Row 3.

Sorry, this is some of the first gameplay I've actually seen.

Generic DLC rage, rawr rawr...At least the costumes and stuff aren't things removed from a previous version of the game for "clipping" issues this time.

no, instead, the entire GAME is just dlc that was removed from a previous game. Seriously, this was just supposed to be SR3 dlc. I love the series, but I refuse to continue supporting it after seeing how they handled dlc in SR3. I'm sure it was just THQ milking its cash cow, hoping to stay alive, but it still showed a complete disrespect for the gamers.

Then you're missing a great game.

yeah, very likely, I am. Love the series. But that's the problem with our industry right now, people don't like certain business practices but won't stand up and deny themselves a game they might enjoy to make a statement. They would just have moved to he back, just happy to be on the bus in the first place.

I'll be missing out on Battlefront 3 because of EA's involvement, and it kills me. But we need yo show a little self respect and restraint if we want to affect positive change and move away from a world where we are "renting" chopped games to buy piecemeal until the company decides we don't own their game anymore.

or you can just go ahead and play the game and smile and nod while the kingdom collapses around you.

And before anybody calls me an alarmist, saying its not that serious, whatever the arguments... Pay attention. It absolutely is that serious. We're in a very worrying period in our culture right now, the ramifications of which could echo for decades to come. If we roll over now, we're opening the door to further and further abuse and disrespect. The problem is small(ish) right now, and we can still fix it. If we wait another decade where these practices are considered standard, it will be too late.

The mighty Tricky Dick is conspicuous by his absence.

Leftnt Sharpe:
The mighty Tricky Dick is conspicuous by his absence.

How could he be a Saint? I believe he himself said "I am not a crook." BAM--disqualified!

Meanwhile, old Wooden-Teeth is bitch-lappin' hoes into space. If you are a ho, you best pray you aren't named "Delaware". Because Washington WILL cross you!

martyrdrebel27:
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Zachary Amaranth:
If not for the aliens, I'd swear this was Saints Row 3.

Sorry, this is some of the first gameplay I've actually seen.

Generic DLC rage, rawr rawr...At least the costumes and stuff aren't things removed from a previous version of the game for "clipping" issues this time.

no, instead, the entire GAME is just dlc that was removed from a previous game. Seriously, this was just supposed to be SR3 dlc. I love the series, but I refuse to continue supporting it after seeing how they handled dlc in SR3. I'm sure it was just THQ milking its cash cow, hoping to stay alive, but it still showed a complete disrespect for the gamers.

I can tell you from playing the whole game, it is more than DLC removed from 3. Are there some ideas from that DLC from Saints Row the 3rd (name escapes me at the moment) yes put the game still more than stands up on its own. It is a complete game and not just DLC. If you would never have heard of the DLC for the 3rd you would never be able to tell a difference. You could always rent it or borrow it from a friend to see what I mean.

Edited for double posted shenanigans.

The Knightly Gamer:

martyrdrebel27:
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Zachary Amaranth:
If not for the aliens, I'd swear this was Saints Row 3.

Sorry, this is some of the first gameplay I've actually seen.

Generic DLC rage, rawr rawr...At least the costumes and stuff aren't things removed from a previous version of the game for "clipping" issues this time.

no, instead, the entire GAME is just dlc that was removed from a previous game. Seriously, this was just supposed to be SR3 dlc. I love the series, but I refuse to continue supporting it after seeing how they handled dlc in SR3. I'm sure it was just THQ milking its cash cow, hoping to stay alive, but it still showed a complete disrespect for the gamers.

I can tell you from playing the whole game, it is more than DLC removed from 3. Are there some ideas from that DLC from Saints Row the 3rd (name escapes me at the moment) yes put the game still more than stands up on its own. It is a complete game and not just DLC. If you would never have heard of the DLC for the 3rd you would never be able to tell a difference. You could always rent it or borrow it from a friend to see what I mean.

The game is cut dlc, hey then added that "extra" that you're talking about which is just the side missions that were already in SR3. But the whole superpowers alien story was just dlc. They just padded it out. Again, I'm sure id love he game, have a lot of fun (even though SR3 was criminally short), and walk away a happy person with 60 less dollars. However, I don't support the lazy business practice surrounding the issues at hand. Its with noting that I also am at issue with the all the micro dlc bullshit

martyrdrebel27:

The Knightly Gamer:

martyrdrebel27:
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no, instead, the entire GAME is just dlc that was removed from a previous game. Seriously, this was just supposed to be SR3 dlc. I love the series, but I refuse to continue supporting it after seeing how they handled dlc in SR3. I'm sure it was just THQ milking its cash cow, hoping to stay alive, but it still showed a complete disrespect for the gamers.

I can tell you from playing the whole game, it is more than DLC removed from 3. Are there some ideas from that DLC from Saints Row the 3rd (name escapes me at the moment) yes put the game still more than stands up on its own. It is a complete game and not just DLC. If you would never have heard of the DLC for the 3rd you would never be able to tell a difference. You could always rent it or borrow it from a friend to see what I mean.

The game is cut dlc, hey then added that "extra" that you're talking about which is just the side missions that were already in SR3. But the whole superpowers alien story was just dlc. They just padded it out. Again, I'm sure id love he game, have a lot of fun (even though SR3 was criminally short), and walk away a happy person with 60 less dollars. However, I don't support the lazy business practice surrounding the issues at hand. Its with noting that I also am at issue with the all the micro dlc bullshit

No, no, no, no ,no. Why has nobody corrected you on this yet?
Saints Row 4 was being made alongside Saints Row 3, aka before Enter the Dominatrix was coming out.
The creators liked the story and gameplay of Enter the Dominatrix to they revised the DLC and made it into a very solid, very good full game.
Seriously, it's not a cut DLC. It's 24 hours long in the least, that's not the amount of time it takes to complete a DLC.
It's worth the money.

D-Class 198482:

martyrdrebel27:

The Knightly Gamer:

I can tell you from playing the whole game, it is more than DLC removed from 3. Are there some ideas from that DLC from Saints Row the 3rd (name escapes me at the moment) yes put the game still more than stands up on its own. It is a complete game and not just DLC. If you would never have heard of the DLC for the 3rd you would never be able to tell a difference. You could always rent it or borrow it from a friend to see what I mean.

The game is cut dlc, hey then added that "extra" that you're talking about which is just the side missions that were already in SR3. But the whole superpowers alien story was just dlc. They just padded it out. Again, I'm sure id love he game, have a lot of fun (even though SR3 was criminally short), and walk away a happy person with 60 less dollars. However, I don't support the lazy business practice surrounding the issues at hand. Its with noting that I also am at issue with the all the micro dlc bullshit

No, no, no, no ,no. Why has nobody corrected you on this yet?
Saints Row 4 was being made alongside Saints Row 3, aka before Enter the Dominatrix was coming out.
The creators liked the story and gameplay of Enter the Dominatrix to they revised the DLC and made it into a very solid, very good full game.
Seriously, it's not a cut DLC. It's 24 hours long in the least, that's not the amount of time it takes to complete a DLC.
It's worth the money.

all you've done here is put pretty spin on an ugly truth. Enter the Dominatrix was planned dlc for SR3, they were already developing the fourh one wih no story or purpose, aka a cash-in. When THQ was dying to death, they decided hey didn't have the resources or time available to finish developing he fourth in its own right, so took what was already made as a dlc and padded it out wih the same or variations on the same minigames found in Sr3. Tell me, why does he fact that they liked the story mean it should be cannibalized for a separate sequel? Would they somehow have not liked it had it been released as the dlc it was planned as? What purpose, if not for the cashing in, does it serve to not just serve that up as dlc as planned and create a separate story for SR4?

EDIT: you know what, after I saw that 24 hours of content comment I had an epiphany. Essentially, what they've done would be like Rockstar having sold The Lost and Damned or The Ballad of Gay Tony as GTA 5 instead of dlc. And imagine that, GTA 5 not being the epicness we are about to receive.

Looking forward to playing as Obama, open up a can of Hope and Change on Zeniak's ass.

martyrdrebel27:

The Knightly Gamer:

martyrdrebel27:
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no, instead, the entire GAME is just dlc that was removed from a previous game. Seriously, this was just supposed to be SR3 dlc. I love the series, but I refuse to continue supporting it after seeing how they handled dlc in SR3. I'm sure it was just THQ milking its cash cow, hoping to stay alive, but it still showed a complete disrespect for the gamers.

I can tell you from playing the whole game, it is more than DLC removed from 3. Are there some ideas from that DLC from Saints Row the 3rd (name escapes me at the moment) yes put the game still more than stands up on its own. It is a
complete game and not just DLC. If you would never have heard of the DLC for the 3rd you would never be able to tell a difference. You could always rent it or borrow it from a friend to see what I mean.

The game is cut dlc, hey then added that "extra" that you're talking about which is just the side missions that were already in SR3. But the whole superpowers alien story was just dlc. They just padded it out. Again, I'm sure id love he game, have a lot of fun (even though SR3 was criminally short), and walk away a happy person with 60 less dollars. However, I don't support the lazy business practice surrounding the issues at hand. Its with noting that I also am at issue with the all the micro dlc bullshit

I guess we will have to politely disagree. I still think you should give it a shot. At least watch a Lets Play of it (i assume there must be some up).

The Knightly Gamer:

martyrdrebel27:

The Knightly Gamer:

I can tell you from playing the whole game, it is more than DLC removed from 3. Are there some ideas from that DLC from Saints Row the 3rd (name escapes me at the moment) yes put the game still more than stands up on its own. It is a
complete game and not just DLC. If you would never have heard of the DLC for the 3rd you would never be able to tell a difference. You could always rent it or borrow it from a friend to see what I mean.

The game is cut dlc, hey then added that "extra" that you're talking about which is just the side missions that were already in SR3. But the whole superpowers alien story was just dlc. They just padded it out. Again, I'm sure id love he game, have a lot of fun (even though SR3 was criminally short), and walk away a happy person with 60 less dollars. However, I don't support the lazy business practice surrounding the issues at hand. Its with noting that I also am at issue with the all the micro dlc bullshit

I guess we will have to politely disagree. I still think you should give it a shot. At least watch a Lets Play of it (i assume there must be some up).

I'll do what I always do when I put a company on probation. I'll buy it used and return it before the gamestop week is up. Then I'll consider the statement my purchase would make to company in question and decide whether its something I would want to say, then if I I need it in my life. If so, I go buy it new.

martyrdrebel27:

no, instead, the entire GAME is just dlc that was removed from a previous game. Seriously, this was just supposed to be SR3 dlc. I love the series, but I refuse to continue supporting it after seeing how they handled dlc in SR3. I'm sure it was just THQ milking its cash cow, hoping to stay alive, but it still showed a complete disrespect for the gamers.

Now, in fairness, you weren't President in the DLC. >.>

mjharper:

Then you're missing a great game.

Great DLC, you mean. :P

D-Class 198482:

No, no, no, no ,no. Why has nobody corrected you on this yet?

In part because your stance is revisionist.

It's 24 hours long in the least, that's not the amount of time it takes to complete a DLC.
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I have trouble believing this game is more than twice as long as its predecessor. And news around the web says the main story is about as long as the last game. The only way I could get 24 hours out of SRTT was by avoiding everything for 14 hours.

Zachary Amaranth:

martyrdrebel27:

no, instead, the entire GAME is just dlc that was removed from a previous game. Seriously, this was just supposed to be SR3 dlc. I love the series, but I refuse to continue supporting it after seeing how they handled dlc in SR3. I'm sure it was just THQ milking its cash cow, hoping to stay alive, but it still showed a complete disrespect for the gamers.

Now, in fairness, you weren't President in the DLC. >.>

mjharper:

Then you're missing a great game.

Great DLC, you mean. :P

D-Class 198482:

No, no, no, no ,no. Why has nobody corrected you on this yet?

In part because your stance is revisionist.

It's 24 hours long in the least, that's not the amount of time it takes to complete a DLC.

I have trouble believing this game is more than twice as long as its predecessor. And news around the web says the main story is about as long as the last game. The only way I could get 24 hours out of SRTT was by avoiding everything for 14 hours.[/quote]

exactly. SR2 was a long game. I think when I checked my timer at 100% completion in SR3, I had clocked 16 hours. Like I said above, what they've done is akin to Rockstar Selling us TLAD or TBoGT as GTA 5.

martyrdrebel27:

The Knightly Gamer:

martyrdrebel27:

The game is cut dlc, hey then added that "extra" that you're talking about which is just the side missions that were already in SR3. But the whole superpowers alien story was just dlc. They just padded it out. Again, I'm sure id love he game, have a lot of fun (even though SR3 was criminally short), and walk away a happy person with 60 less dollars. However, I don't support the lazy business practice surrounding the issues at hand. Its with noting that I also am at issue with the all the micro dlc bullshit

I guess we will have to politely disagree. I still think you should give it a shot. At least watch a Lets Play of it (i assume there must be some up).

I'll do what I always do when I put a company on probation. I'll buy it used and return it before the gamestop week is up. Then I'll consider the statement my purchase would make to company in question and decide whether its something I would want to say, then if I I need it in my life. If so, I go buy it new.

Well I commend you for sticking with your conviction.

The Knightly Gamer:

martyrdrebel27:

The Knightly Gamer:

I guess we will have to politely disagree. I still think you should give it a shot. At least watch a Lets Play of it (i assume there must be some up).

I'll do what I always do when I put a company on probation. I'll buy it used and return it before the gamestop week is up. Then I'll consider the statement my purchase would make to company in question and decide whether its something I would want to say, then if I I need it in my life. If so, I go buy it new.

Well I commend you for sticking with your conviction.

trust me, it's not easy. But things worth doing never are. Its killing me that I'll be missing out on battlefront 3. Though I may actually move EA from the Zero Purchase List to the Used Only List specifically for that game.

You guys are really missing out on what is possibly my GotY for 2013. Seriously. I had a blast, and I'm at about 40 hours for 91% save file.

The bullshit tactics didn't die with THQ. Figures. I am so not buying this game new. Fucking Volition.

Zachary Amaranth:

martyrdrebel27:

no, instead, the entire GAME is just dlc that was removed from a previous game. Seriously, this was just supposed to be SR3 dlc. I love the series, but I refuse to continue supporting it after seeing how they handled dlc in SR3. I'm sure it was just THQ milking its cash cow, hoping to stay alive, but it still showed a complete disrespect for the gamers.

Now, in fairness, you weren't President in the DLC. >.>

mjharper:

Then you're missing a great game.

Great DLC, you mean. :P

D-Class 198482:

No, no, no, no ,no. Why has nobody corrected you on this yet?

In part because your stance is revisionist.

It's 24 hours long in the least, that's not the amount of time it takes to complete a DLC.

[/quote]

martyrdrebel27:

D-Class 198482:

martyrdrebel27:

The game is cut dlc, hey then added that "extra" that you're talking about which is just the side missions that were already in SR3. But the whole superpowers alien story was just dlc. They just padded it out. Again, I'm sure id love he game, have a lot of fun (even though SR3 was criminally short), and walk away a happy person with 60 less dollars. However, I don't support the lazy business practice surrounding the issues at hand. Its with noting that I also am at issue with the all the micro dlc bullshit

No, no, no, no ,no. Why has nobody corrected you on this yet?
Saints Row 4 was being made alongside Saints Row 3, aka before Enter the Dominatrix was coming out.
The creators liked the story and gameplay of Enter the Dominatrix to they revised the DLC and made it into a very solid, very good full game.
Seriously, it's not a cut DLC. It's 24 hours long in the least, that's not the amount of time it takes to complete a DLC.
It's worth the money.

all you've done here is put pretty spin on an ugly truth. Enter the Dominatrix was planned dlc for SR3, they were already developing the fourh one wih no story or purpose, aka a cash-in. When THQ was dying to death, they decided hey didn't have the resources or time available to finish developing he fourth in its own right, so took what was already made as a dlc and padded it out wih the same or variations on the same minigames found in Sr3. Tell me, why does he fact that they liked the story mean it should be cannibalized for a separate sequel? Would they somehow have not liked it had it been released as the dlc it was planned as? What purpose, if not for the cashing in, does it serve to not just serve that up as dlc as planned and create a separate story for SR4?

EDIT: you know what, after I saw that 24 hours of content comment I had an epiphany. Essentially, what they've done would be like Rockstar having sold The Lost and Damned or The Ballad of Gay Tony as GTA 5 instead of dlc. And imagine that, GTA 5 not being the epicness we are about to receive.

I don't even know why I try to convince people who don't want to play a game because they've only seen tidbits of gameplay and think it 'feels like a DLC'.

Yeah, I saw the DLC hate coming when I saw it on PSN.
And the inevitable complaints that it's running on the previous game's engine.

Still, just playing through the character creation demo, things are more polished.

Angry joe liked the game. Yahtzee will prolly like it. c'mon! >.>

Ah well, I'm typing this as SR4 patches. I'm going to play the game, and can be pretty certain I'll enjoy it, laugh, cry (prolly from laughter), and generally have a goofy grin plastered to my face the whole time.
Haters gunna hate. >.>

Ding patch is done. :P

D-Class 198482:

Zachary Amaranth:

martyrdrebel27:

no, instead, the entire GAME is just dlc that was removed from a previous game. Seriously, this was just supposed to be SR3 dlc. I love the series, but I refuse to continue supporting it after seeing how they handled dlc in SR3. I'm sure it was just THQ milking its cash cow, hoping to stay alive, but it still showed a complete disrespect for the gamers.

Now, in fairness, you weren't President in the DLC. >.>

mjharper:

Then you're missing a great game.

Great DLC, you mean. :P

D-Class 198482:

No, no, no, no ,no. Why has nobody corrected you on this yet?

In part because your stance is revisionist.

It's 24 hours long in the least, that's not the amount of time it takes to complete a DLC.

martyrdrebel27:

D-Class 198482:

martyrdrebel27:

No, no, no, no ,no. Why has nobody corrected you on this yet?
Saints Row 4 was being made alongside Saints Row 3, aka before Enter the Dominatrix was coming out.
The creators liked the story and gameplay of Enter the Dominatrix to they revised the DLC and made it into a very solid, very good full game.
Seriously, it's not a cut DLC. It's 24 hours long in the least, that's not the amount of time it takes to complete a DLC.
It's worth the money.

all you've done here is put pretty spin on an ugly truth. Enter the Dominatrix was planned dlc for SR3, they were already developing the fourh one wih no story or purpose, aka a cash-in. When THQ was dying to death, they decided hey didn't have the resources or time available to finish developing he fourth in its own right, so took what was already made as a dlc and padded it out wih the same or variations on the same minigames found in Sr3. Tell me, why does he fact that they liked the story mean it should be cannibalized for a separate sequel? Would they somehow have not liked it had it been released as the dlc it was planned as? What purpose, if not for the cashing in, does it serve to not just serve that up as dlc as planned and create a separate story for SR4?

EDIT: you know what, after I saw that 24 hours of content comment I had an epiphany. Essentially, what they've done would be like Rockstar having sold The Lost and Damned or The Ballad of Gay Tony as GTA 5 instead of dlc. And imagine that, GTA 5 not being the epicness we are about to receive.

I don't even know why I try to convince people who don't want to play a game because they've only seen tidbits of gameplay and think it 'feels like a DLC'.

dude, its not that it "feels like dlc." it was LITERALLY CREATED as DLC for Saint's Row: The Third. Fact.

D-Class 198482:

I don't even know why I try to convince people who don't want to play a game because they've only seen tidbits of gameplay and think it 'feels like a DLC'.

Please don't quote me if you're not addressing me.

You can insist it's 24 hours long, but everything I've seen on the net says otherwise. Un;ess, as I've already stated, you think SRTT was 24 hours long. And that's bull.

Rebel_Raven:

Still, just playing through the character creation demo, things are more polished.

And that's exactly what I expect the "polish a turd" saying to be used for.

Angry joe liked the game.

Is that a good thing?

I mean, I'm glad you're so convinced that you'll like a game you evidently haven't played, but do we really need external validation?

MrGalactus:
The bullshit tactics didn't die with THQ. Figures. I am so not buying this game new. Fucking Volition.

Volition were the ones who went on the anti-used game and pro-monetisation rants, so are you really surprised? Plus, this all dates back to when THQ was still kicking, so I'm betting they'd already worked on a lot of it.

Now comes the weird part:

I see no real problem with a DLC schedule, day-1 DLC, and lots of DLC. Cosmetic changes and chit? Fine. Has anything changed the power level or impacted balance like in SRTT, though? Because until then, I don't see it as a problem.

...See? I just defended Volition and DLC. That's weeeeeird, since I am (evidently) teh bias.

Of course, if they have, they can fuck right off. I got the complete Saints Row TT on sale a while back, and it really smacks of selling power. I'm not even talking about the cheats. Starting the game with several flying vehicles with weapons, new weapons, and insta-health-regain really makes the game easy mode. And yeah, I could delete the DLC, but it won't change the part about them selling power.

At least it's a single-player thing, not a competitive thing?

Zachary Amaranth:

Rebel_Raven:

Still, just playing through the character creation demo, things are more polished.

And that's exactly what I expect the "polish a turd" saying to be used for.

Angry joe liked the game.

Is that a good thing?

I mean, I'm glad you're so convinced that you'll like a game you evidently haven't played, but do we really need external validation?

I'm so glad you're convinced you hate a game you've never even played. :P

Yeah, considering reviews are something some people get up in arms over, I'd say yes, we need external validation.

Like I said, haters gunna hate. Players gunna play. Very fitting in this case, I guess.

Clankenbeard:

Leftnt Sharpe:
The mighty Tricky Dick is conspicuous by his absence.

How could he be a Saint? I believe he himself said "I am not a crook." BAM--disqualified!

Meanwhile, old Wooden-Teeth is bitch-lappin' hoes into space. If you are a ho, you best pray you aren't named "Delaware". Because Washington WILL cross you!

Nixon considers himself to be more of a Puckish Rogue.

The Knightly Gamer:

martyrdrebel27:
D

Zachary Amaranth:
If not for the aliens, I'd swear this was Saints Row 3.

Sorry, this is some of the first gameplay I've actually seen.

Generic DLC rage, rawr rawr...At least the costumes and stuff aren't things removed from a previous version of the game for "clipping" issues this time.

no, instead, the entire GAME is just dlc that was removed from a previous game. Seriously, this was just supposed to be SR3 dlc. I love the series, but I refuse to continue supporting it after seeing how they handled dlc in SR3. I'm sure it was just THQ milking its cash cow, hoping to stay alive, but it still showed a complete disrespect for the gamers.

I can tell you from playing the whole game, it is more than DLC removed from 3. Are there some ideas from that DLC from Saints Row the 3rd (name escapes me at the moment) yes put the game still more than stands up on its own. It is a complete game and not just DLC. If you would never have heard of the DLC for the 3rd you would never be able to tell a difference. You could always rent it or borrow it from a friend to see what I mean.

except that people that followed Saints Row would know about the DLC's for the games.

Sure, there will be a number of people who never played Saints Row before who pick up 4 just because it's the latest addition to the series, thus by logic should be the best at the time.

I can tell you that from playing through 4, beating it in 13 hours, and stopped playing just two activities shy of 100% at 16 hours, that after playing The Third it does feel like DLC. At most, an Expansion pack like older games would put out.

A great example would be Morrowind. It's two expansions could of been considered "complete games" if we are to accept Saints Row 4 as a "complete game". Bloodmoon for example added the ability to change into a werewolf which by itself added new gameplay mechanics, and after a while it got to the point that you could just turn and clear out two or three dungeons/caves.

The same is for Saints Row 4, it's just Saints Row 3 but with the added ability of using new powers.

No, before someone defends it. Saints Row 3 had you fighting a single enemy faction [since the Syndicate was actually three gangs, but you had to fight them in order because "PACING REASONS"] just as SR4 has you fighting a single faction as well. "But they're ALIENS!". That makes it acceptable? what if they were cows? What if they decided to go full Matrix and they were nothing but sentient AI? Hell, lets be a little crazy here, what if they were another set of three gangs that you could only fight one after another?

The game becomes bunny-ears pants-on-head-retarded within two hours due to the god awful "Super Powers" that make a huge portion of the game completely redundant. Even more so, you get punished for not using the powers as the only way to turn off super movement [speed and jump], is a god damned cheat.

Volition had a huge opportunity to make a good game, but instead of exploring an America where the Commander in Chief is a criminal, not like any before him/her/Nolan North were, we get shafted with "LOL, EARTHS BLOWN UP, ALL THOSE CHARACTERS YOU LIKED IN 3 ARE DEAD, ENJOY THE ALIENS MOTHER FUCKERS!"

Honestly, the idea of the POTUS having to fight, say a gang of International Terrorists lead by three of America's "enemy countries", would of been pretty cool.

But no, Aliens. That's what the entire series was leading up to. god damned mother fucking aliens.

No amount of DLC for a Expansion Pack will ever change that.

I really hope Volition just kills off the series, even though they said this was the end of the Third Street Saints in this iteration, barring a complete reboot they have effectively wrote themselves into a wall, turned around and built a castle around it and locked themselves in their room.

A love letter to fans my ass.

Wasn't the Grass Roots pack a pre order bonus from some store (Best Buy I think)?

Zachary Amaranth:

It's 24 hours long in the least, that's not the amount of time it takes to complete a DLC.

I have trouble believing this game is more than twice as long as its predecessor. And news around the web says the main story is about as long as the last game. The only way I could get 24 hours out of SRTT was by avoiding everything for 14 hours.

exactly. SR2 was a long game. I think when I checked my timer at 100% completion in SR3, I had clocked 16 hours. Like I said above, what they've done is akin to Rockstar Selling us TLAD or TBoGT as GTA 5.

It took me around 39-41 hours to 100% complete Saints Row IV. And I wasn't spending time just messing about for the fun of it. That whole time I was doing the story, the activities, side quests, loyalty missions and challenges.

I think I'm getting old.

As I watched this I had this terrible urge to do Mr Song's tie and collar up properly.

As for the topic at hand... ..hum, not sure. I quite fancy the vehicle from the Hillbilly pack, but I always fancy extra vehicles. The masks from the presidential pack don't appeal at all, though the outfits kinda do.

What's stopping me from just making Obama in the character creator? At least that way his face wouldn't be a canny-valley mask.

Kalezian:
except that people that followed Saints Row would know about the DLC's for the games.

If they were paying really close attention, they might even notice that SR4 was in development before EtD was even announced, and merging the two does not make SR4 "just a DLC".

I can tell you that from playing through 4, beating it in 13 hours, and stopped playing just two activities shy of 100% at 16 hours, that after playing The Third it does feel like DLC. At most, an Expansion pack like older games would put out.

That's awfully subjective, since I'm at 100 hours and counting.

A great example would be Morrowind. It's two expansions could of been considered "complete games" if we are to accept Saints Row 4 as a "complete game". Bloodmoon for example added the ability to change into a werewolf which by itself added new gameplay mechanics, and after a while it got to the point that you could just turn and clear out two or three dungeons/caves.

The same is for Saints Row 4, it's just Saints Row 3 but with the added ability of using new powers.

Lycanthropy essentially gives you a damage and resistance buff. Superpowers in SR4 give you a completely different movement system, and several new kinds of attack, including the ability to freeze or control enemies, telekinesis, and an elemental aura spell.

No, before someone defends it. Saints Row 3 had you fighting a single enemy faction [since the Syndicate was actually three gangs, but you had to fight them in order because "PACING REASONS"] just as SR4 has you fighting a single faction as well. "But they're ALIENS!". That makes it acceptable? what if they were cows? What if they decided to go full Matrix and they were nothing but sentient AI? Hell, lets be a little crazy here, what if they were another set of three gangs that you could only fight one after another?

Enemy types in Saints Row 3 (including STAG, which was no longer available after beating the story mode):
*Basic grunts
*Snipers
*Rollerbladers (become unavailable except at survival events after you've completed all city takeover)
*Grenadiers (become unavailable except at survival events after you've completed all city takeover)
*brutes (become unavailable except at survival events after you've completed all city takeover)
*riot shield guys
*STAG elites (become unavailable after completing the main campaign)
*tanks
*Vtols (become unavailable after completing the main campaign)
*attack helicopters
*humvees

Enemy types in SR4 (ONLY the ones that appear in post-game freeroam):

The game becomes bunny-ears pants-on-head-retarded within two hours due to the god awful "Super Powers" that make a huge portion of the game completely redundant. Even more so, you get punished for not using the powers as the only way to turn off super movement [speed and jump], is a god damned cheat.

1. You could also just tap the jump button for a regular hop and not get any of the sprint speed upgrades. That would give you running speed and jump height on par with, say, Duke Nukem 3D, hardly unwieldy.
2. Make up your mind, does having superpowers change how the game is played or not?

Volition had a huge opportunity to make a good game, but instead of exploring an America where the Commander in Chief is a criminal, not like any before him/her/Nolan North were, we get shafted with "LOL, EARTHS BLOWN UP, ALL THOSE CHARACTERS YOU LIKED IN 3 ARE DEAD, ENJOY THE ALIENS MOTHER FUCKERS!"

Several of them are already slated to be back in the DLC, and there good ending (all sidequests done before the final story mission) shows one way they could easily bring back the rest.

Honestly, the idea of the POTUS having to fight, say a gang of International Terrorists lead by three of America's "enemy countries", would of been pretty cool.

But no, Aliens. That's what the entire series was leading up to. god damned mother fucking aliens.

Yeah, there's a real shortage of games where you play as an American fighting foreign terrorists.

I really hope Volition just kills off the series, even though they said this was the end of the Third Street Saints in this iteration, barring a complete reboot they have effectively wrote themselves into a wall, turned around and built a castle around it and locked themselves in their room.

Actually,

A love letter to fans my ass.

Here's a list of things they did that I, as a fan, fucking loved:

And on top of that they fixed pretty much every gripe I had with SR3. I'm certainly satisfied.

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