The Big Picture: Summer's End

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Summer's End

This week MovieBob takes us into the ten best movies of this summer.

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Dear Bob- Keep being Awesome :)

Whoo! I got the reference!

Yeah I think I'll be skipping next week, since I've already seen it stretched out over every other video you've made this summer, sans your ACTUAL review.

Mr Bob Chipman,

If you're reading this, just wanna ask:

What's your opinion on Megaman creator Keiji Inafune's recent Kickstarter campaign on making the new Mighty No. 9?

Are you supporting that creators like Inafune is bringing back old-school platform games that's being long denied by bigger game companies, Nintendo aside?

Would you make a Big Picture episode dedicated to Mighty No. 9?

Please respond.

Are we going to hear about flawed Man of Steel was yet again?

I was wondering how long it was going to take Bob to do the Critic-gag, and now I know the answer to that question!

I'm surprised that Elysium was so low.

Bob, I already bought your cook, rook, and nook, I don't know what else you want from me!

I think this whole Man of Steel fixation is becoming perverse. We get it. You didn't like it. Please stop molesting that poor dead horse.

But, but... I already bought your book :(

Dirty Apple:
I think this whole Man of Steel fixation is becoming perverse. We get it. You didn't like it. Please stop molesting that poor dead horse.

The whole point of comic book fandom is NOT letting stuff like that go x)

I wonder which he liked more, Man of Steel or Green Lantern?

Andrew Siribohdi:
Are we going to hear about flawed Man of Steel was yet again?

From Bob, this would be the first (or 1.5th time, if that is possible, given the nature of his original review). He originally regarded it as "notably imperfect," but several movies down he mentioned that his opinion had soured upon further reflection and implied that he was going to do a revisit sometime down the road.

That was actually the bigger problem with Man of Steel: when it was good, it was really good (Zimmerman's Score, the characters of Zod and Pa Kent, and the art direction being my three biggest takeaways). Those areas were so good, that some of the really serious flaws (the writing, the Lois and Clark dynamic, Jor El essentially telling his son how to act, etc.) were easily overshadowed by its strengths. But pretty much any in depth look and reflection with an attempt to screen out the strengths shows the real problems with the movie.

PS: I'm not a fan of Bob's hunger for levity in comic characters, and, when it comes down to it, putting it into a movie without the film feeling emotionally schizophrenic would be very difficult outside the genre of dark comedy.

Andrew Siribohdi:
Are we going to hear about flawed Man of Steel was yet again?

I think they miss the point that its not a single movie. Its part of a series. If Superman in the sequel does the same overly destructive thing in MoS2, then fine, its rubbish take on him. But if in MoS2 Superman reflects on past events, learns and makes himself better person, then thats good character building. Showing how Superman changed. Batman wasnt Batman in Batman Begins until the last 3rd of the movie - Bruce learnt a better way to achieve his goal than fighting random prisoners.

So, hopefully. Imagine MoS as the the 2/3rds of Batman Begins, and MoS2 as the last 3rd. Fingers crossed.

I'm sorry Bob, but I don't believe in reading book because they have... words & stuff. I promise I'll watch the movie made based on your book though.

SonOfVoorhees:
I think they miss the point that its not a single movie. Its part of a series. If Superman in the sequel does the same overly destructive thing in MoS2, then fine, its rubbish take on him. But if in MoS2 Superman reflects on past events, learns and makes himself better person, then thats good character building.

Actually, that's a seriously brilliant insight. If the director had given any indication that we'd see the evolution of the character, something we aren't really used to with the comic book version of Superman, then I'd have real hope this was going to happen. It may still happen, but since the director is acting like everything carrying on past this film will be a lucky coincidence, I don't have a lot of faith it will happen. If it does happen I'll be over the moon.

tldr:

You want the reasons, watch the video.

Enjoyed the list, Bob. I skipped a few of these, and while I'm not a horror fan and probably won't see You're Next or The Conjuring even after your recommendation, I may have to give Pain and Gain a try. Pleased to see that my four favorite films of this summer, Iron Man, Pacific Rim, Elysium, and The World's End, all made the cut.

orangeapples:
I wonder which he liked more, Man of Steel or Green Lantern?

He'll almost certainly explicitly answer this next week, but my guess is Man of Steel by a long shot. Like Bob, I had really high hopes for Man of Steel, and the film, while not terrible, didn't deliver on them. Green Lantern didn't look or sound particularly good going in, and it wasn't much of a surprise that it was absolute crap. The sting of optimism unrewarded endures much longer than a negative opinion of a film everybody expected to tank, which I suspect is why Bob is hung up over Man of Steel after wanting it to be so much better than it was. It was almost certainly a vastly superior film to Green Lantern in Bob's eyes.

SonOfVoorhees:

Andrew Siribohdi:
Are we going to hear about flawed Man of Steel was yet again?

I think they miss the point that its not a single movie. Its part of a series. If Superman in the sequel does the same overly destructive thing in MoS2, then fine, its rubbish take on him. But if in MoS2 Superman reflects on past events, learns and makes himself better person, then thats good character building. Showing how Superman changed. Batman wasnt Batman in Batman Begins until the last 3rd of the movie - Bruce learnt a better way to achieve his goal than fighting random prisoners.

So, hopefully. Imagine MoS as the the 2/3rds of Batman Begins, and MoS2 as the last 3rd. Fingers crossed.

That's the issue though, is that every comic book movie hero is always "learning to be a better person"

Look at the spiderman trilogy, in the first movie he lacked a lot of wit and the usual Spiderman wisecracking, with people bringing out the same explanation that he was just learning to be Spiderman

Okay sure.

Spiderman 2 rolls around, he's still the same in the first movie. But now he's learning how to balance his life. So here we go again with a half-formed "practice" spiderman. Repeat with the third movie, except now he has the black suit, so he needs to learn about that, and then relearn his normal spidermanness when he loses that.

Hell, Batman wasn't Batman until the 2nd movie, and then he had to relearn to be batman in the 3rd one. Comic book movies are obsessed with seeing the hero rise and fall, we almost never just get to see a movie where they're....themselves.

I don't need to see angsty teen superman internally debate on whether or not to help people, because the answer is always yes

theres a reason he's called the Big Blue Boyscout

Yojoo:
Enjoyed the list, Bob. I skipped a few of these, and while I'm not a horror fan and probably won't see You're Next or The Conjuring even after your recommendation, I may have to give Pain and Gain a try. Pleased to see that my four favorite films of this summer, Iron Man, Pacific Rim, Elysium, and The World's End, all made the cut.

orangeapples:
I wonder which he liked more, Man of Steel or Green Lantern?

He'll almost certainly explicitly answer this next week, but my guess is Man of Steel by a long shot. Like Bob, I had really high hopes for Man of Steel, and the film, while not terrible, didn't deliver on them. Green Lantern didn't look or sound particularly good going in, and it wasn't much of a surprise that it was absolute crap. The sting of optimism unrewarded endures much longer than a negative opinion of a film everybody expected to tank, which I suspect is why Bob is hung up over Man of Steel after wanting it to be so much better than it was. It was almost certainly a vastly superior film to Green Lantern in Bob's eyes.

I think he was being sarcastic. Bob absolutely hated Green Lantern, but considering how much he's harped on Man of Steel post-review, one could be fooled into thinking he hated it too.

Personally I'm getting kinda sick of MovieBob's fixation with MoS. It feels like TDKR all over again, where he brings it up again and again and again to try to convince us that he was right about it. Bullshit. I liked MoS a LOT, and no amount of Bob's, or anyone's for that matter, geeky railing about "how it betrayed the character" and "Superman does NOT kill" etc. is going to change my view on that.

OT: Didn't see most of these movies, but I think these were mostly on the money.

God, I can't believe we're in September already. This year is buzzing by way too fast. I definitely want to see Maniac and The Conjuring either on DVD or in theaters. Plus a postmortem on Man of Steel is long overdue imo.

BTW, 28 days remain until Schlocktober 2013 is upon us! =D

Although, one has to ask the burning question... How the hell do you top Attack of the Super Monsters?!?

That Critic reference at the end was totally unexpected and made me smile. All it really needed was somebody blowing your head of with a handgun.

Good run down but why is it the second I saw the title before watching this video I thought "another Man of Steel back peddle"?

Well, seems we'll get a whole video. I guarantee it will go down "well"...

Dirty Apple:
I think this whole Man of Steel fixation is becoming perverse. We get it. You didn't like it. Please stop molesting that poor dead horse.

Hopefully he'll do his video next week and then it will be off his chest. I do admit I'm finding this MoS backlash pretty much as boring as the dark and gritty age of comic book films which never actually happened was itself.

I was really happy when he wasn't going to do a negative list precisely because I didn't want to go over the same territory again, but the issue was clearly weighing on him and hopefully we can all let it die after next week

Star Trek:Into Darkness
An actual attempt to please fans and give the movie a Star Trek feeling; something immensely lacking from the first film. Things actually felt intense, and the movie wasn't afraid of anything. The story even stuck to it's canonical roots by making specific 'things' happen around the time they were supposed to, which makes sense given that this is an alternate universe/timeline.
Verdict: pandering.

Iron Man 3
Gave fans the finger and made fun of them for liking the "strange" things that encompass the franchise. Played it ultra-safe to adhere to very MUTED universe 'movie Iron Man' lives in. Boring, long and villain wasn't much of a threat (again). "Oh no, this guy turns hot...! So much worse then that alien army and god I fought just recently!" Yet another showcase for Robert Downey jr. to look smug for two hours with complete, paralyzing fear that staying true to the "silly" source material in the least would distract from his awe and wonder.
Verdict: brilliant.

That said, I did like the twist in Iron Man 3, loved it in fact... I just wish it had a payoff. You don't pull a bait & switch with a villain just to introduce a weaker one. I will simply never understand how this was supposed to be compelling in any way what so ever.

Sorry but Elysium not Man of Steel is the most disappointing film of the summer period.

It spent too much time on flashbacks and then all the action was a blurry shaky-cam mess the worst i've ever seen and I have never been more disappointed.

This year overall has been terrible with 4 films I was really looking forward to Man of Steel, Iron Man 3, Elysium and Pacific Rim all suffering the same problem!

The 3rd act battle was BORING!

I'm not sure if I wanna read all the butt hurt comments about Superman, it was a decent film but some people have been getting reeeeeeeeal defensive about it.

As for the list, I didn't see that many films this summer but i'd proberly agree that Pacific Rim is on top, it had flaws but it was good to see Hollywood embrace that sort of thing properly.

I saw Elysium yesterday and I gotta say I was disappointed. The story was so message driven it became cheesy, I mean surely they could have had one of those med-bays in the factory, just one to fix any workers that got hurt. I understand that the film was trying to make a point but theres a line between obvious and agressive and the film crossed it. What the hell was that little girl about!? They didn't need her in the story she was just there out of some cliched counter argument to the defence ladies 'think of the children' line, pointless character. The mercs were fun but just made the morality of the thing laughable, Spider was the only character I could really take seriously.

Kumagawa Misogi:
Sorry but Elysium not Man of Steel is the most disappointing film of the summer period.

It spent too much time on flashbacks and then all the action was a blurry shaky-cam mess the worst i've ever seen and I have never been more disappointed.

This year overall has been terrible with 4 films I was really looking forward to Man of Steel, Iron Man 3, Elysium and Pacific Rim all suffering the same problem!

The 3rd act battle was BORING!

Also this, I have never liked shaky cam and although it can suit a films aesthetic (gritty realism, etc) Kung Fu films can acheive this look and still produce kick ass fight scenes. Hollywood, pan the f*ck out! I wanna see the giant robot kill the alien Godzilla!!!

And once again I find myself in the awkward position of thinking that Pacific Rim was a massive disappointment and was actually pretty boring while everyone else loves it.

Ah well. Differences of taste, I guess.

Can't help but disagree with a big portion of the list. Horror movies are horrible. You can fall for them, get scared, but they still remain horrible. Whether its first person perspective of the Maniac or another haunted house re-imagining, they are still boring at its core because of their similarity to one another. You've seen a few horror movies, you've seen them all.
And Iron Man 3? Really? With its absurd plot and most stupid superpowers imaginable? With its silly twists for the sake of being twists and unnecessary humor that constantly breaks the flow of the movie? Do I have to mention the disappointment of so many people seeing Mandarin as some parody? There's so little sense in that movie that Avengers is starting to look like a documentary. Sorry. Iron Man is probably my most favourite superhero. Seeing him turned into a parody is aggravating.

PunkRex:
I'm not sure if I wanna read all the butt hurt comments about Superman, it was a decent film but some people have been getting reeeeeeeeal defensive about it.

As for the list, I didn't see that many films this summer but i'd proberly agree that Pacific Rim is on top, it had flaws but it was good to see Hollywood embrace that sort of thing properly.

I saw Elysium yesterday and I gotta say I was disappointed. The story was so message driven it became cheesy, I mean surely they could have had one of those med-bays in the factory, just one to fix any workers that got hurt. I understand that the film was trying to make a point but theres a line between obvious and agressive and the film crossed it. What the hell was that little girl about!? They didn't need her in the story she was just there out of some cliched counter argument to the defence ladies 'think of the children' line, pointless character. The mercs were fun but just made the morality of the thing laughable, Spider was the only character I could really take seriously.

Kumagawa Misogi:
Sorry but Elysium not Man of Steel is the most disappointing film of the summer period.

It spent too much time on flashbacks and then all the action was a blurry shaky-cam mess the worst i've ever seen and I have never been more disappointed.

This year overall has been terrible with 4 films I was really looking forward to Man of Steel, Iron Man 3, Elysium and Pacific Rim all suffering the same problem!

The 3rd act battle was BORING!

Also this, I have never liked shaky cam and although it can suit a films aesthetic (gritty realism, etc) Kung Fu films can acheive this look and still produce kick ass fight scenes. Hollywood, pan the f*ck out! I wanna see the giant robot kill the alien Godzilla!!!

Elysium was basically Straw Man: The Movie.

I mean, these hospital beds apparently require no significant energy to function, so why aren't they in use everywhere? It's a one time fix for everything. But nope, the rich people keep it away just to be dicks.

The Gentleman:

PS: I'm not a fan of Bob's hunger for levity in comic characters, and, when it comes down to it, putting it into a movie without the film feeling emotionally schizophrenic would be very difficult outside the genre of dark comedy.

I realize you are speaking for Man of Steel here, but does this opinion extend to other movies too? Like the Marvel movies?

I like the Dark Knight Trilogy. I didn't go to them for their fighting or action, I went to see the clever and well written dialogue between the characters. Some of Joker's lines were near perfect.

It's been said before that comic book movies and these types of things aren't being made for a broad audience anymore. They are in fact being made for 26-32 year old misanthropes. I'm not too keen on that, but I see it. I don't think it takes any particular talent to make those types of movies either. Well, it might be better to say that it takes more talent to cast as a wide a net as possible and have it still appeal to all audiences. I think Marvel is doing that, and that is why they are miles ahead of WB.

TakerFoxx:
And once again I find myself in the awkward position of thinking that Pacific Rim was a massive disappointment and was actually pretty boring while everyone else loves it.

Ah well. Differences of taste, I guess.

Well at least your not alone. Seriously Moviebob, catering to your inner love robots doesn't excuse you job of actually reviewing the movie and talking about its facepalm-inducing and cliche plot-points.

DVS BSTrD:
Yeah I think I'll be skipping next week, since I've already seen it stretched out over every other video you've made this summer, sans your ACTUAL review.

I thought exactly the same.

I regularly watch moviebob and his obsessive hatred for what I considered an 'okay' movie (not particularly good, just quite forgettable with a cool fight scene or two) is moving into the absurd.

The list itself though was quite interesting especially the mention of 'Pain and Gain' just because I remember all of Bobs criticism of Michael Bay and his Transformers franchise so I find myself respecting him more by showing an objective view and not doing what so many do and dismissing a movie out of hand because of its director/actor etc. Props for that Bob.

I had never heard of Maniac before this moment, and am now wondering if I have the guts for it. Elijah Wood is one of those people who can scare the crap out of me with little to no effort, and if he's actually trying...I dunno.

bartholen:
Personally, I'm getting kinda sick of MovieBob's fixation with Man of Steel. It feels like the Dark Knight Rises all over again, where he brings it up again and again and again to try to convince us that he was right about it. Bullshit. I liked Man of Steel a lot, and no amount of Bob's, or anyone's for that matter, geeky railing about "how it betrayed the character" and "Superman does not kill" etc. is going to change my view on that.

Why do you act like the point of Mr. Chipman's opinion about a movie is not to express himself but rather to change you? Does he know you, or somehow profit from your pleasure away from you? Seriously, I'm asking. A lot of people do that, and while I understand you are only one person and almost definitely cannot speak for the group, I'd really like to understand where this assumption that his disagreeing with you is an attack on your beliefs comes from.

Hehehehe, next week is gonna be fun...

I'm glad to see you lighten up on The Great Gatsby. It's by FAR Lurhman's most effective (and most reigned in) film and everyone, not just Leo, brought their A-Game to make it arguably the superior of the two major motion picture adaptations of the book. I enjoyed it way more than I thought I would.

If you missed out on Pacific Rim on the big screen, boy do I pity you, poor soul...I was only mildly disappointed that they didn't play around with the Neural Bridge idea more, but other than that, it's practically the textbook definition of a Fun As Hell Summer Blockbuster. A pure, uncomplicated, uncompromised blast at the theaters for 131 minutes. I once compared this to the feeling we all got when we saw Jurassic Park for the first time, and I stand by the idea that this will have the same impact for this generation of kids. Lucky little bastards.

....and then there's Elysium...*sigh*
I mean it was ALRIGHT. It was SERVICEABLE. I'm glad I saw it and everything, butttt yeah, my fear about that movie from the trailers came true. It was indeed TOO one-sided and black and white to really make it effective as a social commentary. I mean, it woulda really helped if we knew more about Elysium itself and its citizens rather than the few glimpses of Rich White People High Life (and Jodie Foster doing an INCREDIBLY distracting, non-discernible "southern rich person" accent. At least I think it was supposed to be southern, I have no idea...) When you really break down how this world is supposed to work, it really doesn't hold up to scrutiny, so the pretty obvious political message that's trying to be sent falls on its face. And what made District 9 so refreshing was two-fold: A) it WASN'T as black and white/heroes vs. villains as this was. This was much more traditional in that sense. B) The apartheid parallel wasn't what the movie was ABOUT. It was there to push certain buttons and move parts of the plot around, but that wasn't the main focus/theme of the movie. It was just one part of the bigger picture.

I for one am honestly just glad Summer's finally over. This year felt like it draaaaagged on more than usual and I personally just kept getting smacked with letdown after disappointment to straight up anger inducing BS that I just said "Fuck it, Imma get my pretentious French bureat and track down the smaller indie titles like What Maisie Knew and Fruitvale Station and 20 Feet From Stardom. I can't take this shit anymore!" It was going to be hard to live up to last year's summer block, but DAMN was this year pretty crummy...

But as it is, it's on to September October for the return of Alfonso The Great Cuaron's epic big screen return with [u]GRAVITY.[/u] ^____^

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