Escape to the Movies: Riddick

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This lesbian character, does she also at any point in the film make a derogatory comment towards a man just because they're a man? If so why do writers still not write believable homosexuals?

Anyway, Pitch Black was good although supporting roles like Keith David as a non-villainous Muslim being a fresh change of pace were also vital to that picture.

While I don't dislike Vin Diesel, I'm guessing the Iron Giant is still his best performance.

I can't really agree with this particular review.

I'm biased, mind you. I loved Pitch Black, I enjoyed Dark Fury and Chronicles of Riddick the 'not theater' version I watched was a lot of fun too. On top of that I've become very happy with my purchase of Escape from Butcher Bay and Assault on Dark Athena.

So, when they suggested we'd get two new Riddick movies - one in the vein of Pitch Black and the other in the vein of Chronicles? I said yes. In fact, I'm a bit surprised you didn't mention that - since the entire mission statement of this particular movie was to be another Pitch Black, while the second movie they're working on is wholly meant to be another Chronicles. Called it a flawed idea. Call it a rehash. I don't really care.

I actually do want more of this universe, and I kind of have grown attached to the stone faced flesh golem character too.

kickyourass:
Vin, please, just stick to making games, you're really really good at it, so ,we don't need any more Riddick movies, just keep him a video game character, that's where he's best.

You are forgetting Wheelman.

But yeah, Escape from Butcher Bay is still a fucking awesome game and the best Riddick story, and Vin Diesel, while not having his own studio, could work with more capable teams to do more games since the case of Wheelman was more a problem of execution then anything else.

OT: Kind of weird not mentioning the games since they are a big part of Riddick's character and a lot of fans like the franchise because of it.

Imp Emissary:

DVS BSTrD:
"Fucked Straight" Still better then how they handled Batwoman's Marriage.

If I'm not mistaken, they handled her marriage by just not doing it. Which is a shame, but for this thing? I think they should have done the same. ;p

Also; Yes, the new Robocop looks very very bad. Why are they trying so hard to make him look like Batman?

Because, right, people like Batman. Particularly the internet.

OT: Still not clear and what Bob wants me to buy :/ he really needs to make it clearer.

The ad at the end was pretty hilarious, Bob. Initially it made me actually think of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfiQYRn7fBg but I get the reference now. As for Riddick, it delivered on exactly what I expected. It's good to be vindicated every now and then.

No Bob, you will not spoil my eagerness for seeing this movie. Even if it isn't great, I'll still love it. Unfortunately I may be that only other person besides Vin who wanted to see what happened after Chronicles, so I'm a little bummed we won't be getting any Riddick in charge of an entire army moments...maybe we could get a King Riddick video game? Please?

so anyone here too young to know why Robocop is a solid NOPE?

Bad movie or not, I still want to play D&D with Vin Diesel.

Like both the Riddick movies so this new one will be watchable. Sucks they ignored everything from Chronicles as they could have added some more to the mythology (if that can be said for these movies) and instead go back to mercenaries chasing riddick on planet of killer animals. While still will be a fun watch, just seems like a step backwards. Even if they did a Butcher Bay type of movie all set in a prison would have been interesting.

I would have loved to see what Riddick would have done with a huge army under his control. :-)

Imp Emissary:

Also; Yes, the new Robocop looks very very bad. Why are they trying so hard to make him look like Batman?

Is THAT what that was? I thought it was a new powered-armor dude advertising Iron Man 4. From that perspective, it's pretty neat, but Robocop? yeah, no.

As for Transformers 4, well... let's just say I'm not getting my hopes up. The Dinobots were easily my favorite transformers (esp. Slag. yay firebreatheing, laser-faced triceratops! with a flaming sword!), but they weren't really that interesting from a plot perspective: just stand-ins for Optimus Prime as the one who shows up and wins the fight for the good guys simply by being badass. Of course the comics gave them... well, gave Grimlock some more character development than that; I'd be curious to see the angle Bayformers takes on it. The point is, at this point it feels more like pandering than any sort of artistic choice, and I haven't seen any sort of respect paid to the potential of the franchise from the existing series.

At any rate, I look forward to seeing the newly designed Dinobots toys. I haven't had a new robot dinosaur on my desk in awhile.

Sometimes it's rough watching these reviews. I mean, he basically tells you whether he will like or dislike a movie within the first 5 seconds, especially if it's a sequel. I loved Pitch Black. I mean, the complaint that it's basically the first movie over again is a non starter for me. Aliens was an amazing film, but it was the first movie again. Sure, it was on a planet mostly and had a friendly android this time around, but it mostly took place in metal hallways and over-sized ventilation ducts again. I really liked the universe they had created in Chronicles, I liked how they expanded on it and I liked the scope of what was happening. I think the movie outlived it's welcome though. It could have easily been turned into 2 better movies as it was a bit on the long side and dense with information. I'm also ultimately OK with them stepping back from it. I didn't think Bob would like this movie because he has expressed his dislike for Vin Diesel in the past and yes, we all know he is dissatisfied with the whole "bro culture" that has popped up around his characters. Part of me thinks the whole comment about having a "gym" look is just sour grapes. I don't think he is in particularly good shape these days, but I go to the gym 6 days a week and give a shit about how I look and feel. I think that Bob doesn't really care about either of those things as much as he does about watching movies... which is part of the reason I mostly enjoy his reviews I guess. Occasionally he gets a little high on his horse and get reviews that show how he feels about certain things (especially Man of Steel).

But, I'm ranting. It's still a worthwhile thing to watch so at least you know what you are getting into. The fact that it's another version of the first movie I would consider a positive thing as it's simply getting back to it's roots. I think the character of Riddick isn't so much about the emotive acting or the believable or unbelievable character, but it's about the presence of the character. If Riddick is present, he is in control of the situation. And it's that power fantasy the movie offers. I'm looking forward to this.

YAY, Starbuck is in this! :D

I definitely liked Pitch Black, but I haven't seen Crhonicles yet, so... If they make another lovely game out of this, I'd be happy, if not... well, no harm was made, just another generic movie with wasted potential.

Wait, you mean it's not a direct remake of Pitch Black? I swear that's what I thought it was from the previews I saw.

Honestly, Vin Diesel needs to move on. Nobody cares about Riddick but Vin Diesel at this point. Pitch Black was an okay movie if you're into that sort of thing, but Vin really needs to move on and do more with his life than pine for the one moment when he was in something that wasn't utterly fucking stupid. If he could just get over it, maybe he could actually be in another movie that isn't utterly fucking stupid.

In fairness, Pitch Black was and still is a pretty good movie. It fits the Deep Rising model of schlocky, gory and spooky but fun. Riddick was a great character back then and I don't think the cult success of that movie is based on his Fast and Furious successes. The thing is that he was not the protagonist, the pilot (Fry?) was. She was the one on the journey and learned something at the end and grew as a character. (till she died) Riddick should be used like Dredd or the Punisher. A walking force of nature who facilitates the stories of other characters. Riddick is a shallow character which is cool once you realise that. Give him the right story and he is very effective. Again, props must be given to Vin, the guy has a passion for his material and you can't but help respect it.

WAIT???? Bob is giving Transformers 4 a MAYBE????

REALLY?

I would have excepted "Double NO" but a MAYBE?

Really Bob? Really?

SupahGamuh:
YAY, Starbuck is in this! :D

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was happy to see Starbuck :p

Anything with her in is surely going to be at least okay? Maybe...

RJ Dalton:
Honestly, Vin Diesel needs to move on. Nobody cares about Riddick but Vin Diesel at this point.

People really really REALLY need to quit parroting this particular inanity. Lack of massive popularity does not equal nobody caring. I thoroughly enjoyed the previous two movies, especially Chronicles, and if it's true that there's a fourth movie planned in the same vein (with this one intentionally following Pitch Black) then I'm psyched for it.

Heh, I always knew gay women would turn straight if only they had sex with a real man. Thanks, Vin Diesel! This movie sounds great! *rolls eyes*

EDIT: I don't know how this turned into a double post. Sorry!

JarinArenos:

RJ Dalton:
Honestly, Vin Diesel needs to move on. Nobody cares about Riddick but Vin Diesel at this point.

People really really REALLY need to quit parroting this particular inanity. Lack of massive popularity does not equal nobody caring.

You're absolutely correct and I thank you for alerting me to my mistake. Please allow me to rephrase that.

Nobody *who matters* cares about Riddick but Vin Diesel at this point.

The "Riddick Series" has never been more than decent at its best (the first film) and it's decline has been painful to watch, especially since it represents an actor who can be really good when properly cast obsessing over the one moment when his career had promise. And I especially don't care to see a movie that's all about stroking Vin Diesel's injured ego by having characters repeatedly praise the character he loves. If I want that, I'll read fanfiction.
And jab shards of glass under my fingernails, because I've apparently gone mad and must be corrected by pain.

MorganL4:
WAIT???? Bob is giving Transformers 4 a MAYBE????

REALLY?

I would have excepted "Double NO" but a MAYBE?

Really Bob? Really?

It's almost like Bob has forgotten that it's a Transformers movie being directed by Michael Bay.

But anyway, Vin Diesel should stop making Riddick movies and just get the guys that did Butcher Bay to make more Riddick games. It seems to work out much better that way.

Perhaps there is just something wrong with me but for some reason the Riddick films have just worked for me. They aren't the greatest films ever made and they have plenty of flaws you can point to but something is just enjoyable about them to me.

Then again maybe it's just that I admire that someone has the courage to go out into space with a movie. Other than something like the occasional Star Trek movie it seems like movies and TV just aren't willing to go out into the black for a story any more. So even with the flaws at least Riddick is willing to fill in some of that void left when studios chicken out on outer space and alien planets.

RJ Dalton:
You're absolutely correct and I thank you for alerting me to my mistake. Please allow me to rephrase that.

Nobody *who matters* cares about Riddick but Vin Diesel at this point.

Oh now that's just mean. :P

RJ Dalton:
The "Riddick Series" has never been more than decent at its best (the first film) and it's decline has been painful to watch, especially since it represents an actor who can be really good when properly cast obsessing over the one moment when his career had promise. And I especially don't care to see a movie that's all about stroking Vin Diesel's injured ego by having characters repeatedly praise the character he loves. If I want that, I'll read fanfiction.

Yeah, I'll admit, that didn't sound particularly promising, but I contribute at least some of that to reviewer dislike. Bob makes no secrets about his opinions of movies when reviewing. Still, I'm hoping for a return to the galactic plotline in the future, regardless.

A) It is possible for a lady to say that she doesn't "fuck dudes" when she's surrounded by a bunch of horny douchey bounty hunter guys without her actually being a lesbian. She might just *gasp* not like their company all that much. I could also see her going with the pretty religious boy if Riddick didn't make it.

B) Riddick (2013) is awesome. It's got slimy space monsters, sweet energy blasts, lotsa people getting chopped into pieces, boobs (no, really! I was surprised to see them in this day and age in a wide-release movie too!), and Jordi Mollà (Santana) who is Goddamn boss. He's like a slightly less silly El Guapo.

If any of that appeals, I highly recommend you check this movie out. Lots of fun.

The " BUY MY BOOK " thing was funny the first time, but now it just feels sad. Bob, I know publishing and promoting a book is hard, but always stay classy.

Thing is vin seems like a good guy, and from what i have read he is really into the riddick character and the whole world or at lest the idea of it all, so much so that i think he has sunk a good chunk of his own money into the series over the years trying to get something going.

So bob playing this movie off as a vanity project seems overly dismissive, i think vin really wants this character to take off, is remaking pitch black the best way to do it? doubtful, pb was what it was and it worked well for the time, it was well reviewed when it came out by critics also.

From some of the comments above it seems this is meant as a reboot for the series, with riddick as the central character this time full out, pb he was just a supporting character, he had not risen to "star" status until after the movie came out.

i wish him the best of luck with this, really hope it does well, i would much rather see him making more of theses, than any fast and furious crap.

Far as it comparing to star wars, well it holds up very well vs. episodes 1 2 and 3. but that is not saying much. but every riddick movie be it pb or chronicles has been better than any of the sw prequils.

Adam Jensen:
I never cared for the movies. But the games were amazing. As long as they make another one I'll be a happy camper.

I thought it was biased of Bob to critique Riddick the character and totally ignore the games. I can respect Vin Diesel's ambition to creating a new and semi-original series, but it just needs something more to really bring in a bigger audience.

I got back from Riddick and it was for the most part pretty decent, but I could be bias due to actually enjoying the rest of the Riddick efforts including Chronicles and Dark Fury. Just seeing the character get another chance to succeed regardless of how unlikely that might be is nice.

Casual Shinji:

Didn't Vin Diesel once say Pitch Black would be The Hobbit to Chronicles of Riddick?

...

Yeah, nice try, Vin.

During the promotion of Chronicles, when Lord of the Rings was in full swing of success, Universal tried to use the idea of Chronicles becoming an epic level story like Rings. Personally I liked the movie and would have seen it almost regardless of how they promoted it, but going that route was an incredibly bad plan by the promotions department.

MorganL4:
WAIT???? Bob is giving Transformers 4 a MAYBE????

REALLY?

I would have excepted "Double NO" but a MAYBE?

Really Bob? Really?

It's telling that Bob is more interested in another Transformers movie than the Robocop remake.

After Transformers 3... 4 is not a maybe... its not even a could be... its a no

QtheMuse:

Also if your a straight male who hasn't thought about turning a lesbian straight then obviously you should just leave your man card at the door. All it is, is a harmless fantasy and people should just get over taking sexuality so damn serious.

If by 'harmless fantasy' you mean: 'something that not only bellitles the life choices of a group of people who still face extreme persecution in parts of the world, but makes their sexuality seem like something that can be fucked out,' it is indeed a 'harmless fantasy.'

trty00:

If by 'harmless fantasy' you mean: 'something that not only bellitles the life choices of a group of people who still face extreme persecution in parts of the world, but makes their sexuality seem like something that can be fucked out,' it is indeed a 'harmless fantasy.'

Everyone faces different types of persecution in different parts of the world. I have had sex with women who claimed they were lesbian and then they said they were bisexual. I guess I am a horrible man.

Lex Darko:
I'll say that if you liked Pitch Black then you'll like this movie as well more so if you're familiar with Pitch Black.

The problem with that logic is that Riddick, who wasn't the protagonist in the movie, was a deeply ambiguous character. You didn't know until the very end what he would be willing to do - or even what he'd WANT to do - in that situation. That was the main source of tension within the movie.

Two movies later, do you think they'd be able to recreate that? I haven't seen "Riddick" and probably won't, but I don't hold out much hope. And it's not as though MovieBob has given it a stunning recommendation to convince me otherwise.

I'm probably wrong but chronicles of Riddick sounds kind of awesome in a so bad its good way.

You know I'm curious or anybody ever did the fuck you straight trope with inverted genders, and if so did people complain about that.

QtheMuse:

trty00:

If by 'harmless fantasy' you mean: 'something that not only bellitles the life choices of a group of people who still face extreme persecution in parts of the world, but makes their sexuality seem like something that can be fucked out,' it is indeed a 'harmless fantasy.'

Everyone faces different types of persecution in different parts of the world. I have had sex with women who claimed they were lesbian and then they said they were bisexual. I guess I am a horrible man.

If group of people still faces hatred, persecution, and violence based on some childish notion of morality or tradition, which gay and lesbian people do, it's just crass and insensitive to have a 2013 movie with the 'screw you straight' trope. It's homophobic and basically implies that a woman can't not be totally uninterested in sex with a man. 'Lesbians? Pah, those don't exist! All women want "The D" at the end of the day.

I'm not here to debate your life experiences, I'm talking about how a particular narrative element looks in a 2013 film. In this case, dated and inappropriate.

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