Escape to the Movies: Riddick

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In Riddick's defense he might have thought that he was a lesbian too. It would go a long way to explaining just how he manages to not only keep himself completely devoid of body hair, but also why he is covered at all times by a thin sheen of body oil. I would also point out in such a case that it is more than likely that his entire understanding of LGBT people has in all likelihood been gleaned exclusively from pornography.

DVS BSTrD:
"Fucked Straight" Still better then how they handled Batwoman's Marriage.

Nobody wants to read comics about married superheroes. Or at least that's the impression I took away from the industry-wide back-flips when it comes to continuity on the subject. Maybe they're misapplying lessons that they learned from selling comic books to a straight male audience to an altogether different audience.

But are you honestly complaining that a company wants to sell more comics about a lesbian super-heroine over the long term instead of writing the intellectual property of Batwoman into an increasingly dead-end corner with a series of highly lucrative, but ultimately short-minded cash grabs?

leviadragon99:
Huh... well the "fucking her straight" thing is pretty repulsive, if it weren't for that I might've considered watching this as popcorn fare...

Like I mentioned earlier, nowhere is the phrase "fucking her straight" ever used in the actual movie. Riddick merely makes a few lewd comments and then grabs her ass at the end. BTW, I don;t recall her sexual orientation even being mentioned in front of Riddick. There's also the small matter of the merc who attempts to rape her, but nooooooo, a couple of lewd comments is just sooooo much worse.

Most of the time(80-90%) I am like "wow Bob is right on target with what I think about movies games etc"..... Then he throws this at me.... Sorry I from a personal perspective LIKE ALL of the Riddick movies and I think that Vin Diesel is a good actor, who has more range than half the overpaid idiots we see to shill in mainstream media... *sigh* See you next week Bob hopefully we agree again.

lol, here in australia the movie is rated MA15.
it sure looks like pitch black but im still gonna watch it. i enjoyed both movies that you cna watch them several times and this new one looks pretty much the same.

So, I am beginning to disagree with Bob more and more.

Riddick: Entertaining/good. Just saw it with four other people. Two guys, two girls, a variety of different tastes. All of whom thought it was good, not perfect, but worth our time. It was certainly not "B movie" classified.

Robocop remake: YES, at least something is being done with the idea and it is not just being left to age and be forgotten.

Transformers 4: Really Bob? "...maybe" coming from the biggest Michal Bay hater I've ever heard? NO. I would underline that if I knew how. NO! Transformers is and should be done. No one wants more.

People should know by now that if Bob goes off on a wannabe feminist rant like the "fucked straight" thing they should take anything he says with a big heaping pile of salt.

It isnt like he says in the movie at all.

Hm, well... i am one of the few people who didn't like "Pitch Black" that much (It's Ok) but LOVED Chronicles or Riddick. It is a crazy inventice story. It's more like the 80ies fantasy b-movies whre you get the sense that someone wanted to tell you a cool and entertaining story and not just someone who got a script approved for an attempt audience money-drainage with "optimized appeal".

The difference was: It was well funded and directed and had a great cast. It is just absolutely entertaining. (I gave it an 8/10 and still can't believe the IMdB weighted average is only 6.6)

Now, when i saw the trailers for "Riddick" and saw it was basicely a Pitch Black-Sequel and not a Chronicles-Sequel... i was disappointed. Perhaps i will watch it... but likely i won't (At least not in cinema) Man, i wanted some crazy half-mystical crap happening. (Also Toombs trying to get revenge *g*)

trty00:

QtheMuse:

trty00:

If by 'harmless fantasy' you mean: 'something that not only bellitles the life choices of a group of people who still face extreme persecution in parts of the world, but makes their sexuality seem like something that can be fucked out,' it is indeed a 'harmless fantasy.'

Everyone faces different types of persecution in different parts of the world. I have had sex with women who claimed they were lesbian and then they said they were bisexual. I guess I am a horrible man.

If group of people still faces hatred, persecution, and violence based on some childish notion of morality or tradition, which gay and lesbian people do, it's just crass and insensitive to have a 2013 movie with the 'screw you straight' trope. It's homophobic and basically implies that a woman can't not be totally uninterested in sex with a man. 'Lesbians? Pah, those don't exist! All women want "The D" at the end of the day.

I'm not here to debate your life experiences, I'm talking about how a particular narrative element looks in a 2013 film. In this case, dated and inappropriate.

To be fair to the movie, though I've not seen it yet, from what Bob was saying, I don't think that Riddick actually does this, more that he threatens to do so as part of his "morally ambiguous barbarian badass asshole" shtick. I feel like Bob would be up in arms if he actually did change her sexuality through sheer machismo. Instead he was just disappointed by the film's use of the idea. If I'm wrong then let me know, but it alters whether or not the movie just makes a somewhat clumsy use of a trope, or actually is a little repugnant.

Saw it tonight. It's not at all a bad flick; the over-the-top superheroics of "Chronicles" have been toned way down, the creature effects are all pretty well done, and if you come in in the mood to enjoy this kind of movie you will probably indeed do so.

And the "fucked straight" thing is a big misnomer. Riddick does say some sexually forward things, largely in the same manner that he goes about trying to rattle everyone's cage, but there's no particular suggestion that Dahl (Sackhoff's character) actually responds with anything much more than amusement. And, frankly, Dahl is one of the few characters who receives that much time for development, and the movie seems to have far more respect for her than anyone should feel was undermined by what amounts to a small amount of banter.

I really liked Pitch Black and Chronicles. Pitch Black > Chronicles though.

I haven't had any exposure to the games or anime though.

I always thought it would be cool if Riddick had a crossover with Aliens, Predators, The Fifth Element, or Metroid.

Imagine Samus being the bounty hunter after Riddick. That sadly, is probably at the top of the list on things that will NEVER in any pandimensional alternate Earth ever happen.

I mostly just feel indifferent towards this film. Pitch Black worked . . . once. Even then, I wouldn't oversell it - it's a good Space Horror movie with some exceptionally good cinematography (particularly the lighting), and some surprising character development hidden in there.

Why is Vin Diesel pushing the character now? I remember an interview with him a while back where he expressed surprise that someone was pushing for a sequel to Pitch Black, since the movie itself wasn't a major box office success.

TheMadDoctorsCat:

The problem with that logic is that Riddick, who wasn't the protagonist in the movie, was a deeply ambiguous character. You didn't know until the very end what he would be willing to do - or even what he'd WANT to do - in that situation. That was the main source of tension within the movie.

Two movies later, do you think they'd be able to recreate that? I haven't seen "Riddick" and probably won't, but I don't hold out much hope. And it's not as though MovieBob has given it a stunning recommendation to convince me otherwise.

This person gets it.
The charm of Pitch Black was that it toyed with the idea of having the protagonist to be a morally questionable character BEFORE stuff like Dexter popped out.

The Chronicles did try to uphold this, but had to revert to idea "I will save my daughter-figure AND accidentally save the whole universe as a by product"

But there is demand for unapologeticcally bad protagonists in action films.
Not "he only brutally murders rapists and nazis, he only steals from the mafia" - the true "he is an immoral f..., he is incapable of empathy and here is his tale"
Like Anton in "No country for old men"

Why? Because world is complex and bad people exist.
And sometimes they win and live happily ever after.
Learning to live with that is important and part of life.

i will probably get the DVD of this just because i like Vin Diesel.

i like Vin Diesel because (on UK media circuit at least) he's completely unashamed to come out as a quite geeky gamer and he blows away a lot of stereotypes in the process to boot.

...that and as far as the Fast series goes i actually enjoy them as i'm basically a Shutokō Battle (Tokyo Xtreme Racer/Tokyo Highway Challenge/Import Tuner Challenge) series addict.

as for this movie...when it's all said and done meh wth i could watch a Pitch Black rehash of an afternoon even if it is just a low budget "B-Movie" "vanity project"...in fact on the whole i really don't mind "B-Movies"ness at all tbh.

Strange, I thought you'd tear this one to shreds for being an adrenalin remake of an apparently mediocre/silly action film based entirely around a single one-dimensional badass character at the actor's own insistence (which in fact he was talked out of a while back, but tried again).

I remember well Yahtzee's explanation of what made Riddick interesting in Pitch Black but after that merely a cardboard cutout fully interchangeable with Wolverine or Arnold with the exception of that voice... Man, that voice, how does he hit that pitch (the black pitch, you might call it)? That, not seeing in the dark or being a badass, is Riddick's truly unique power.

Eh. Doesn't look that interesting.

But that ending. That was good.

Damn, a retread of Pitch Black, while probably awesome, is not what I was hoping for. I wish Riddick 3 would have been able to find a middle ground between PB and Chronicles, much like the animated Dark Fury managed.

Still, I'm going to see this. It may not be the best movie out there but it does sound like a lot of fun.

Yuuki:
...so when Bob tells me that the new movie has no explanation of what happened after Chronicles, I'm a little pissed. Sorry but...WHAT? An entire evil galactic empire with gigantic fleets of ships and magic-powered technology wasn't a big enough deal to continue with? What the fuck did Riddick do after the last movie, just grab a ship and fly away with the entire empire's attention on him?

You know what, screw spoilers, I'm going to dig up the plot of Riddick and see if it's even worth my time.

No, there's a bridge at the start of the movie explaining why Riddick went from being in that position to being stranded on the planet. It's a bit terse and could've been handled better, but it's still there. I'm guessing it was as short as it was for budgetary reasons.

I think Bob missed the point here.

Riddick is an emotionless serial killer. So the lack of acting skills for Diesel works. It's what makes Riddick the character he is. As for saying he can fuck a lesbian straight? "Gross" seems like an overreaction. But besides that, he's a serial killer. He spent his life murdering, living on deserted planets, getting into fights all over the galaxy. Pretty sure it's nothing special when he says something like that. So, to be honest, I don't think Bob understands the character. Which is odd, since he's a really simple character with no real complexity.

Aww, are there really so few people that liked the second movie ? Sure it's different from Pitch Black but it was great too and I always hoped for a sequel of that one, it opened a interesting backstory & universe :(

Okay, The Critic reference at the end genuinely made me laugh.

There are some buttons that can easily be pushed to make Bob hate or love an entire movie. It's just... I get the feeling recently that he is to much giving into that instead of trying to neutrally criticise the movie. I don't have the same Buttons as you Bob, I don't think your reviews work for me anymore...

BTT: It's a shame that they don't follow, or completely drop, the Necromonger-Storyline. It could have been something like Space-Conan-the-Babarian ;-) Maybe I will enjoy this nontheless, I just like the character and the universe they created in Cronicles of Riddick

Jetsetneo:
Soooo I'll just watch pitch black again till this one comes to home video? Aight.

The games apparently do a better job of expanding the Riddick-verse anyway, and are pretty good, so at least I have those.

Eh, it's not exactly Pitch Black. It's more like the first half of A Boy and His Dog duct-taped to the second half of Pitch Black.

Which... actually makes it moderately awesome, even if it's kinda lame at the same time. My feelings basically match up to Bob's on this one: it's pretty good given that it's a pure vanity project. If nothing else, it does the unsympathetic protagonist angle pretty well, you're never actually rooting for Riddick, and the script is pretty up front about him being the Villain here, not the hero, but at the same time it's not outright offensive that the movie's centered on him. That's something that's hard to manage, so gotta respect it a bit.

It also kind of has an unapologetic Conan the Barbarian feel, to the point I'm pretty sure the bisexual bow, uh, sniper rifle-wielding warrior princess thing falling for his manly combat abilities was an intentional silly reference, not really intended seriously. Honestly, I don't think anything in the entire IP is really intended to be taken seriously... I mean, the core pitch is "Riddick 3: Riddick adopts an orphaned puppy". You know Diesel was grinning like mad through that entire meeting where he brought it up.

WiseBass:
Why is Vin Diesel pushing the character now?

Like Bob said, it's a vanity project. Vin's got truckloads of money and he's a professional movie guy, so he spends one in ten or so dump trucks full of money that come his way making films that he personally finds entertaining, without really worrying whether enough other people like 'em that they're profitable.

It's not uncommon at all for successful actors in hollywood. Will Smith just did one, Nick Cage does 'em all the time, and Ben Affleck and Matt Damon both used to basically alternate movies that were likely to be successful with movies they found personally entertaining and financed on their own.

I get the feeling from this video that the only reason you dislike Riddick is because of Vin Diesel and the only reason you seem to hate him is because he is a "tough guy". I usually like your stuff but really, get over the High School Wedgies already. Diesel doesn't have a lot of range but he fits perfect for this Character and the Riddick movies are fun.

chronicles of riddick is one of my favorite movies, and the reason for that is that vin diesel is able to pull off not just another bad ass character but a character that that just look that way but in reality more is going on beneath the surface. It also feels like vin diesel is like the perfect person to play riddick when you watch he you feel like he is riddick and not just some actor paid to play his role.

Is it bad I want to see it even more for the idea of fuck her strait. It's so backward sexist it's funny. Like lollypop chainsaw. Then again I've been looking forward to this since Vin said he was going to do it.

The only real problem I found was the line which was something along the lines of "I'm gonna kill these guys then go balls deep in you" to which a majority of the audience laughed. My initial reaction was, did people just laugh at someone threatening to rape someone? Since when was that an ok subject?

josemlopes:

Farther than stars:

josemlopes:

I still havent seen it but I highly doubt its like that, he probably hits on her, she says she is a lesbian and he being Riddick probably keeps hitting on her because he is just that good. Not going after the "fuck you straight" but after the "I am so good that for me its worth it, the other guys just dont know how to pleasure you", the idea isnt that after he fucks her she is no longer lesbian, the idea is that he is the exception because he is that good.

That's what's misogynistic about it though. Essentially that's him saying: "Don't you worry your pretty little head about your sexual orientation. Let 'the man' figure out what you really want." On top of being incredibly chauvinistic, it's also just plainly arrogant. Never trust a man who touts his abilities more than his actions prove them.

Plain arrogant, yeah! Thats Riddick alright, but about this whole situation thats probably all he is and its not about man being superior to woman, its about him being superior to everyone. The guy isnt just talk though, he really is superior to everyone else (he isnt exactly human)

I mean, the guy basicly fights and wins against the most powerfull enemies out there and becomes like, king of the universe or some shit.

Being a good fighter doesn't mean you're superior to everyone else. Intelligence matters far more, for one thing. Besides, I'd never consider an arrogant man to be superior to anyone. Arrogance makes people learn poorly, so they don't develop their skills very well, which means that they're quickly and easily overtaken by better people.

Farther than stars:

Being a good fighter doesn't mean you're superior to everyone else. Intelligence matters far more, for one thing. Besides, I'd never consider an arrogant man to be superior to anyone. Arrogance makes people learn poorly, so they don't develop their skills very well, which means that they're quickly and easily overtaken by better people.

You havent seen the other movies/games, havent you? You would understand that he isnt all that two dimensional.

That statement was really left field from what we are talking about.

I loved Pitch Black if they wanted to revisit that idea then great. Grweat idea but bad production. I liked the videogames too.

josemlopes:

Farther than stars:

Being a good fighter doesn't mean you're superior to everyone else. Intelligence matters far more, for one thing. Besides, I'd never consider an arrogant man to be superior to anyone. Arrogance makes people learn poorly, so they don't develop their skills very well, which means that they're quickly and easily overtaken by better people.

You havent seen the other movies/games, havent you? You would understand that he isnt all that two dimensional.

That statement was really left field from what we are talking about.

Yeah, I've seen them, but that's not the point. I just think that talk about "turning lesbians" is offensive. And I don't care who or what the hell you are; that kind of stuff shouldn't be allowed to fly in a civilized society, much less in a mainstream movie.

leviadragon99:

QtheMuse:

Also if your a straight male who hasn't thought about turning a lesbian straight then obviously you should just leave your man card at the door. All it is, is a harmless fantasy and people should just get over taking sexuality so damn serious.

It becomes a little more serious when you consider that the real world does have a history of trying to force gay people to be straight, from camps where they're indoctrinated and encouraged to "pray the gay away" to straight-up raping them, there's also a difference between having a ridiculous fantasy and shouting it to the world through mass-media, potentially influencing people into thinking that sort of thing is okay.

Also, for using the term "man card" you're automatically kind of a douche.

Amen.

IndieGinge:
To be fair to the movie, though I've not seen it yet, from what Bob was saying, I don't think that Riddick actually does this, more that he threatens to do so as part of his "morally ambiguous barbarian badass asshole" shtick. I feel like Bob would be up in arms if he actually did change her sexuality through sheer machismo. Instead he was just disappointed by the film's use of the idea. If I'm wrong then let me know, but it alters whether or not the movie just makes a somewhat clumsy use of a trope, or actually is a little repugnant.

Correction: 'little repugnant' should be 'totally repugnant'.

LifeCharacter:
Unless the film actually has the lesbian start falling for him, there's no real implications that Riddick can fuck the gay out of women or that he's some "exception" to everyone's sexuality.

The question isn't whether he can do it, the problem is that it would even be implied.

IceStar100:
Is it bad I want to see it even more for the idea of fuck her strait-

Yes, never question that. Next!

Zac Smith:
The only real problem I found was the line which was something along the lines of "I'm gonna kill these guys then go balls deep in you" to which a majority of the audience laughed. My initial reaction was, did people just laugh at someone threatening to rape someone? Since when was that an ok subject?

Never was. And yes, I did just answer your rhetorical question, because sometimes things just need to be said, regardless of rhetoric.

Farther than stars:

LifeCharacter:
Unless the film actually has the lesbian start falling for him, there's no real implications that Riddick can fuck the gay out of women or that he's some "exception" to everyone's sexuality.

The question isn't whether he can do it, the problem is that it would even be implied.

But was it implied, is the question. From what other people have said, Riddick said a few lines (how many were actually said after he found out she was gay, if he found out at all?) about fucking her and grabbed her ass once, all while she, apparently, found most of it amusing.

If the film went out of its way to imply that he, or anyone else could fuck the gay out of her, then it'd be a problem, but Riddick thinking he can, or just trying to annoy her, has no implications other than those about Riddick himself. The problem is that I haven't seen it and have only Bob's contemptuous review and those of a few other forum-goers to judge, so I can only go on the word of random people who I don't know.

At least they got rid of the shitty baggage from Chronicles. Why didn't they just make a Butcher Bay movie instead?

Ditocoaf:
Heh, I always knew gay women would turn straight if only they had sex with a real man. Thanks, Vin Diesel! This movie sounds great! *rolls eyes*

I don't actually think she was a lesbian, the only time she said it was when she was surrounded by dudes. They also never actually fuck, so there's that too.

Edit: In fact, he never say's that he'll fuck her straight and she never mentions that she's a lesbian in front of him. Seems like some people are grasping at straws.

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