No Right Answer: Required Viewing Before You Die

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nayrbarr:
LOST should never have won this, it just isn't a very good show. Moreover no one really talks about it anymore, so most of these points didn't make sense to me. Also, do you guys deliberately drink slowly to give each other time to speak? I can sort of respect that, but it rather defeats the purpose.

Few behind the scenes secrets on the drinking rounds:

We usually shoot 8-10 episodes back to back, so after a few, a full glass of water pounded at full tilt sounds horrible. Chris actually threw up once. It was nice.

We also drink slower than full speed to give the other time to talk, whether it be to try to get a spit take (of which we have a few coming up!) or to get their point out.

I can see how if there is no spit-take, the slow drinking can feel like a lack of payoff, but I assure you; Unless you want to see Chris throw up, 3/4th speed is necessary.

I kinda feel the response to this is that people want to see Chris throw up. What is this, Tosh.O?

lol I'll always pick Firefly

obviously I wish there was more of it, but it holds a lot more than it seems in its brevity

Wait wait...I got it! NOW I know why Lost is a show you must watch before you die...

Because whomever you told to watch it would kill you, thereby absolving you of the guilt of suicide.

As much as I love Firefly, I can see how the lack of an understated overarching plot may have led to a tragically quick cancellation.

However, with LOST, not a single proponent of the series had a leg to stand on after the show was done. Honestly, if I watched LOST before I died, I'd want the time back plus interest.

The time I'd have wasted on LOST would have been more tragic than the cancellation of Firefly...

On the other hand, if I was GOING to die after watching the show, I suppose a case could be made for LOST, in that you'd live longer before it finished...but can such a tortured end to your days REALLY be called living?

EDIT: aww...poor Chris! Don't kill yourselves over these videos guys! We want you to stay healthy, esp so you can keep making more!

Your Expo advertisements are still the best, guys.

Personally I don't get the hype of LOST. Once you know that it just goes around in circles forever, it loses its appeal. Firefly, on the other hand, can be quite entertaining even though we know it didn't even get one full season, and have a general idea of the show.

Required viewing before you die? you guys went with lost after the first two seasons it just becomes a filler production.I had completely forgot about lost since then until today so i can not see how that has effected human culture.

Firefilm:
Required Viewing Before You Die

You know the shows you tell yourself you'll watch when you get the time? What if you die tomorrow? What should be on the top of your to-do list?

Watch Video

Wow, I can't believe how much bs this conclusion was. Lost had one promising season, but the eternal dangling carrot quickly turned uninteresting and the show was ran into the ground and was ended because everyone got sick of it. Typical American "keep squeezing 'til it's dry". And I'm not talking chalk dry here folks, I'm talking Saharan desert, mid day in high summer dry. Everything about lost can be likened to a steaming turd.

Firefly on the other hand, ended before its time. However, that is actually a good thing, since it ended on a high when it was still good and people hadn't got tired of it yet since it wasn't flogged to death. Each and every one of the episodes is at least good, some are brilliant but the show in its entirety leaves a lasting impression. And that's why a cancelled TV-show managed to garner enough support to get a full length movie to conclude it's unfulfilled promise.

So in conclusion, firefly (and serenity) is gold and should be embraced while Lost is a smelly turd and can only be measured by the amount of time it wastes of your life. The end.

i can't believe no one mentioned Joss Whedon's name. the writer/director of The Avengers, Cabin in the Woods, Buffy the Vampire Slayer (beats the shit out of anything else vampire related, with the exception of maybe Underworld), and I haven't seen much of Doll House but it's worth a look.

Bottom line, Firefly was one of his earliest and, short of Avengers, one of his best works, and honestly I still think it's better than Avengers in terms of hours of available content.

EDIT: ok someone did mention Joss Whedon explicitly, but seriously he's a far superior creator of film and television. He's a better writer, better director, works with more talented actors, AND HE JUST RE MADE MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING, AND IT WAS EPIC. Firefly was his origin, without it, we get no Avengers, or any of his future work that we'll still be talking about for years to come. who cares about JJ Abrahms? Did I spell his name right? never mind I don't care.

So after reading the comments, I have one question beyond all else that I need to ask everyone:

How do I convince my wife to sit down and actively watch Avatar: The Last Airbender with me?

I love that show (and Legend of Korra as well), but I've unsuccessfully convinced my wife to sit with me and enjoy it. How do I convince her to take the plunge? Because you've all convinced me that now that we've both seen Lost, she needs something better in her life.

Um...Both of those wouldn't be anything close to TV shows that I would requirement for someone to see before their death. Star Trek:TNG would open your world view and help you understand other cultures and points of view. I love Lucy is a classic that most people should see, Leave it to Beaver, Gilligan's island, A-Team, etc. This was a really misnamed episode.

When Firefly got cancelled people raged and we got a movie that tied up most of the loose ends, we have comics that tie up the other major ones. There's nothing left to find out and yet people still want another movie, just more of it's characters. Basically Firefly didn't get to tell it's story and everyone went "Please can we hear the rest?" And then we heard the rest and everyone went "please can you just make up some more stuff. Is there any way to distill Firefly into a form that can be administered intravenously?" Lost told it's story from beginning to end. About halfway through people started saying "Please, just hurry up and tell us what happens." And then they did and the world said "Go fuck yourself."

Battlestar Galatica beat them both, though only by a very narrow amount. I could never get into Lost because it just seemed so gimmicky. Tune in next week and find out worthless clue number five that may or may not be relevant!!

Seriously the entire show felt like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdhhQhqi_AE

The Wire is infinitely better than both those shows.Sure they're different but the profound impact of The Wire makes it required viewing in my book.I watched Lost and Firefly out of cultural duty and walked away wondering what I'm missing.They're entertaining shows and some of the best the genre has to offer but by no means would I consider them to be "required viewing".

Best show to see before you die? The right answer is always Batman: The Animated Series.

How the hell can LOST win this No Right Answer??!?!? LOST was a show about a Mystery Box... which ended with the writers saying that people who were watching for the Mystery Box weren't watching LOST properly because LOST was about the character relationships. It was a very good show for 2 seasons, was a good show for 3 seasons, was a passable show for most of one season and then ended on one of the worst piles of crap in TV history.

There's no real contest in a question of "LOST" vs "(Insert Show Here)" for "Required Viewing Before You Die". Because of the way LOST ends, there is no reason to watch LOST. Watch Two and a Half Men instead, or Everybody Loves Raymond, or Golden Girls. Or ER. Or Bonanza. Watch something that doesn't try to lead you around with one thing (Mysteries!) and then turn around in literally the last episode and say that what you've actually been following was something different (Relationships!).

Or yes, watch Firefly.

I don't give a shit about either of those shows.
Also I'm not going to Escapist Expo. I can't afford to take time off work.

Lost was good for the first 4 seasons... then it got really stupid

Im gonna have to go with Firefly since its consistently great

tohellwithyourcrap:
Firefly was his origin, without it, we get no Avengers, or any of his future work that we'll still be talking about for years to come.

Actually, Buffy the Vampire Slayer was his origin. Firefly aired somewhere near the end of its run. And while he had done several things before Buffy (including co-writing on Toy Story!), that's really what put him on the map. In fact, without Buffy, Fox would've never agreed to Firefly in the first place. THE MORE YOU KNOW

OT:
In all honesty, I think that a fulfilled life could be lived without seeing either of those. As much as I love Firefly, it's not for everyone, and in the end it just leaves you wanting more (if you did like it).

My nomination would go to The Simpsons, until about season 7 to 10. Not that I'm one of those who thinks that's where it stopped being funny, oh no, I still love the Simpsons. Rather, the early Simpsons stuff is what shaped modern pop culture to what it is today. I say the "necessity" stops between seasons 7 and 10 because at that point, Simpsons started being influenced by itself more than pop culture (probably due, in part, to how much it had affected pop culture), and as a result the cultural impact it had in the first place weakened significantly.

Lost had probably the worst ending of anything I've ever seen, played, or read. Firefly was an above average Sci-fi series with an above average movie. I don't think either should be on someone's must watch before you die list. I would probably say Breaking Bad but there's still three episodes left so I won't pass judgment yet.

Chris Pranger:
So after reading the comments, I have one question beyond all else that I need to ask everyone:

How do I convince my wife to sit down and actively watch Avatar: The Last Airbender with me?

I love that show (and Legend of Korra as well), but I've unsuccessfully convinced my wife to sit with me and enjoy it. How do I convince her to take the plunge? Because you've all convinced me that now that we've both seen Lost, she needs something better in her life.

I can help you there!

With my mom, who generally avoids anything too cartoony looking, my father just left it on in the bedroom or the kitchen or anywhere he thought she would be. Evenetually, we all used this tactic and my mom ended up watching it with someone in the room. After a while, she would just watch it by herself because she had become somewhat invested.

And now she's the (second) biggest fangirl in the house! :D

OT: I've never watched either show...but I'd actually give Firefly more of a chance after seeing this. 6 seasons?! It sounds like it goes beyond Inuyasha levels of length and that's the highest I'll ever go.

I watched Lost. Got halfway through the last season and quit because I found myself not caring at all. My parents were die-hard Lost fans but by the end they just wished they could have had those hours of their lives back.

My parents watched every single episode of Lost, and quit talking about it well before the show ended, almost as if they were ashamed to admit they still watched it. My parents have NEVER seen an episode of Firefly yet still talk about that show to this day because of the relevance it had on everyone they know's life. And one day, they too plan to watch it. Before they die.

Firefly wins. People who watched Lost, lost.

KYLE, I MISSED YOU!!!!!!

The arguments about lost could equally apply to Neon Genesis Evangelion.

... Alright Lost, I'll accept that. I'll still never watch it though.

I caught a few episodes of lost and it didn't really grab me. it seemed like the big "mystery" was accomplished simply by intentionally depriving the audience of information for no real reason except mystery.

firefly is one of the 10 greatest shows ever made. i'd go for that. castle also deserves to mentioned. plus without firefly we might not have the avengers. or we might have had it directed by jj abrams which is the same as not having it.

breaking bad I know everyone is in love with but i'm getting more and more aware of the dead time in that show. like I feel like you could turn it into half hour episodes and have the EXACT same show.

the show i'd recommend to watch before you die, Dead like me. truly a phenomenal show with a lot to say about the human condition and it has a lot to say about death. it's cathartic

The reason I never got into Firefly, was not the shows fault, more my friends. They were just going on about how huge and awesome scifi the show was, then I watched some of it and I wasn't grabbed. It seemed more like just a western where they use space ships instead of wagons. That said, I was sold on the show being a scifi epic, if I wasn't lead to believe that, I would have probably enjoyed it.

I do intend to get around to properly watching it, since it's so short anyway. But even then, I would still pick Firefly over Lost any day of the friggin week.

also, I feel it needs to be said that if you're comparing two shows, 1 is 13 episodes, and the other is 5 seasons worth. and they are anywhere similar in quality, social impact, world building, and just general information conveyed. the 13 episodes win. I dunno how long the seasons of lost were but lets say 13 episodes to make it even, if you can do in one season what took someone else 5 seasons. you just win.

I saw LOST and Firefly. LOST is NOT required viewing. Firefly is.

I liked Lost but it has nowhere near the impact or pop culture of Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones.
For nerdier options the aforementioned Avatar: the Last Airbender, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic or my personal vote Neon Genesis Evangelion (first 24 episodes, substitute the original 2 movies for episodes 25 and 26).

And who can honestly say they enjoy Lost more than Firefly? Firefly's episodes are beautiful in that they are complete packages, but also build on each other throughout the series. You can watch an episode of Firefly and understand what's going on and enjoy it. You CAN NOT watch an ep of Lost without having seen all of that season's previous eps and/or researched wtf is going on. And when the episode is over you just have to watch the next one not specifically because you enjoyed it, but because you need to know what happens next. The mystery box is a lazy hook that compels viewing not by having a good, enjoyable narrative/characters/humour/etc but by dangling a carrot on a stick.

MrPhyntch:

tohellwithyourcrap:
Firefly was his origin, without it, we get no Avengers, or any of his future work that we'll still be talking about for years to come.

Actually, Buffy the Vampire Slayer was his origin. Firefly aired somewhere near the end of its run. And while he had done several things before Buffy (including co-writing on Toy Story!), that's really what put him on the map. In fact, without Buffy, Fox would've never agreed to Firefly in the first place. THE MORE YOU KNOW

Yeah, but Firefly was the first thing of quality he did on his own.

"People still talk about Lost" No they don't... I haven't heard a single thing about that series except for this video to be honest. I saw a re-run of Fyrefly on TV, from which I might've watched 2-3 episodes and it was really cool, but when I saw Lost's cloud monster I thought "What?" and never cared about it anymore, and whenever someone said "Lost is SO good" all I had to say was "Cloud monster" and they would just quietly sit down and stop talking altogether.

Yeah.... no. Just... no. Nope.

I watched Lost and was, at first, quite enthralled by its evident charms, its impressive cast of then-nobodies and a stream of odd, cool, unique and impressive dialogues and scenes that just made me come back for more.

After a while, though, it just went over board with its randomness, beating even David Lynch or gorram Monthy Python when it comes to unrestrained, pure Chaos with a capital C. Then the cast got expanded, the black smoke started to appear and take first place as what just had to be some of the cheapest digital fx available and things took 720 degree turns for the worse until hope, common sense and reason left the building to go hunt Elvis Hitler that obviously got kidnapped by aliens.

The plot was acting like a fluffy pink bunny rabbit in heat, afflicted with rabies and on acid. It was just all over the place, just not where you'd expect or want it.

Firefly and Serenity, on the other hand, has everything that makes TV and movies magic, excluding obviously long life and success. Just compare it to Defiance and you'll quickly realize that everything that worked quite perfectly in Firefly isn't easily replicated or aped, as it was just pretty perfect and awesome as-is, with everything just falling into place nicely. That just didn't happen in Defiance.

Required Viewing Before You Die? Is that a good title for this episode? The most influential show would be more accurate.
If I have to follow the title, then my pick would be The Wire. I've never seen another shows that's so thought provoking, realistic and unforgiving. Breaking bad does similar things, but it's way too pulpy for me.
As for an influential show, then it's Twin peaks. I'm not in love with that one, but there are many stories that were influenced by it.
I dislike Lost. It's effective, but it achieves everything through confusion. As they said, the only selling point is the mystery.
At least Firefly died before it could take off. I'm more sad about Deadwood, since it already picked up speed before the cancellation.

DRTJR:

MrPhyntch:

tohellwithyourcrap:
Firefly was his origin, without it, we get no Avengers, or any of his future work that we'll still be talking about for years to come.

Actually, Buffy the Vampire Slayer was his origin. Firefly aired somewhere near the end of its run. And while he had done several things before Buffy (including co-writing on Toy Story!), that's really what put him on the map. In fact, without Buffy, Fox would've never agreed to Firefly in the first place. THE MORE YOU KNOW

Yeah, but Firefly was the first thing of quality he did on his own.

WHAT

NO

GO IN THE CORNER AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU DID

Seriously though, Buffy is fantastic. The first season can be kind of bleh, but after that the show gets exponentially better. The first season is just there to make you think it's a by the numbers campy action horror show so that Whedon can rip your heart out more easily later.

OT: I haven't a clue what he's talking about with people talking about LOST. I've heard very little of lost, and when he was listing off the references the only thing that sounded vaguely familiar was the hatchet, but I think that might just be me remembering seeing the book Hatchet around a lot when I was a kid. The only thing I know about LOST is the ending, that a bunch of people crashed on an island in a plane, and there's a smoke monster apparently (and those last two bits have been heavily reinforced by the easter egg in Just Cause 2).
If anything I'd argue that the amount of Firefly references has continuously grown. Hell in just the last year, Saints Row 4 included Mal's Pistol, Cold Days (a book in an ongoing fantasy series) referenced Shepard's "special hell", I see "shiny" and "gorram" on almost every show that targets geeks and every site that sells geek-related paraphernalia.

I'd make an argument for how it has influenced the media, but I honestly don't watch enough to make a valid one. Point is, Firefly has a rabid and expanding fanbase. Lost had a fanbase.

KaZuYa:
Babylon 5 by a country mile, After being drowned on the drool that was Star Trek and TNG it was refreshing to watch a well written series where they actually dared to show the humans as the bad guys and conspirators.

Exactly. Anyone on their death bed who chooses to watch a hipster space-western above the epic, majestic Babylon 5 probably deserves to die anyway. I'm serious.

And Lost is just stupid. The only other contender I'd put would be Carnivale.

God, you couldn't pay me to sit through all of Lost. I managed to finish the first season before I said, "Nah, this is stupid", and turned it off. It's one thing to have a mystery, it's another to bullshit around for seven years so you dont have to explain anything.

cyvaris:
Battlestar Galatica beat them both, though only by a very narrow amount. I could never get into Lost because it just seemed so gimmicky. Tune in next week and find out worthless clue number five that may or may not be relevant!!

Seriously the entire show felt like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdhhQhqi_AE

Well, the first two and a half seasons of Battlestar are definitely required viewing. Everything after the Battle of New Caprica, well...

I don't know why he said Lost put JJ Abrams on the map, um, Alias, hello. Also, JJ Abrams had very little to do with Lost passed the first 2 seasons, it was all Cuse and Lindelof.

Lost generated 2 copycats, The Event and FlashForward, both of which bombed. After that serialized drama made sure to indicate that they were going to be the anti-Lost, or that they would give answers within a reasonable amount of time, especially after the Lost finally which either gave no answers or conveluted answers, depending on your point of view. No one really knows how FireFly would have performed if Fox handled the show better.

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