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SteamOS Announced

Valve announces SteamOS.

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I'd need to know details on a steambox before saying whether I'd buy one. I wouldn't buy the Piston dealie which was announced some months back, but if anyone offers something which is basically a console in terms of price and couchability but has a pc library I'd be all over it.

My prediction:
Wednesday they announce the steambox. [0 ]
Friday they announce the new source engine and possibly hl3. 0+0

Agreed on wednesday, but I don't expect them to announce HL3. If 1 circle is a SteamOS, then 2 added circles may be some sort of cloud feature. That's what i'm thinking.

SteamOS seems intresting and if they do infact anounced the fabeled Steambox and it's everything I had hoped for (open sourced, PC library, couch friendly) then I would totally buy this over a PS4 or XBox One... nobody should be buying that)

as far as Team Fortress 3 and Portal 3... I could really care less about those, never been a fan of first person perspective

I have a desktop that needs an OS on it, so this might work

I called this! Hah. Linux is way too unfriendly to new users so I figured they'd either alter the interface or modify linux heavily to make it easier to use.

I'm interested in this game streaming whatsit. Could I Raspberry Pi my way into a game console in my living room that streams everything over my home network from my desktop? If so, I'm rather tempted to build a Steambox out of a Raspberry Pi like some kind of neckbeard god.

Snotnarok:
I called this! Hah. Linux is way too unfriendly to new users so I figured they'd either alter the interface or modify linux heavily to make it easier to use.

Reading this made me wonder, so I'll ask. Have you used Linux since 2011? New Ubuntu releases have the learning curve of Peggle.

On topic, I highly doubt I'd ever use Steam OS, unless that ability to stream Windows-only games ended up being more useful than WINE.

Ymbirtt:
I'm interested in this game streaming whatsit. Could I Raspberry Pi my way into a game console in my living room that streams everything over my home network from my desktop? If so, I'm rather tempted to build a Steambox out of a Raspberry Pi like some kind of neckbeard god.

If Valve can make it run for a ARM processor then I can see it working, but well idk about most but mine has issues running the UI alone with python gui and I'm using raspbian without messing with the ini file to overclock it.

It won't be Half-Life 3, simply because they enjoy taunting everyone.

CWestfall:

Snotnarok:
I called this! Hah. Linux is way too unfriendly to new users so I figured they'd either alter the interface or modify linux heavily to make it easier to use.

Reading this made me wonder, so I'll ask. Have you used Linux since 2011? New Ubuntu releases have the learning curve of Peggle.

On topic, I highly doubt I'd ever use Steam OS, unless that ability to stream Windows-only games ended up being more useful than WINE.

I can't recall the year I used linux, it wasn't hard for me but given I know most people can't figure out how to navigate windows 8, I'm not sure many are willing to attempt to learn that.
I'm not saying Linux is bad, just that it's fairly well known for requiring workarounds most won't want to put effort into.

Snotnarok:
I can't recall the year I used linux, it wasn't hard for me but given I know most people can't figure out how to navigate windows 8, I'm not sure many are willing to attempt to learn that.
I'm not saying Linux is bad, just that it's fairly well known for requiring workarounds most won't want to put effort into.

If I may say so, your first mistake is assuming that Windows is easier to navigate. :P

In my limited experience of technical support, I've seen a lot of people breeze through Ubuntu 12.04 (and above) who struggled with Windows. Software is a snap to install with the "App Store"-style Software Centre, the system can install updates while you do other things, and above all, it eliminates the problem endemic to Windows of manufacturer-pre-installed crapware (Admittedly a fresh Windows install doesn't have that either, but I've also seen unused crapware sitting on desktops 9 years after the system was purchased).

I won't dispute that the command line workarounds are going to be generally above beginners, but with things like Ubuntu and Mint they are very rarely "required" nowadays.

...All Ubuntu proselyting aside (It's a bad habit of mine), I don't expect being Linux-based will be detrimental to the SteamOS project. Almost everything in the modern North American living room is running the Linux kernel somewhere under the hood.

Price and features would be the biggest factors in a Steam Box. I like the idea, but want to know what it will offer that my current system can't do, other then output to my TV... which my computer can already do.

Good thing I just ordered an Asus G75 series gaming laptop for a thousand dollars last Thursday... but i'll probably get a 'Piston' (or whatever the steam box ends up getting called) at about the same time I get an xbox one... probably sometime in 2014 once the damn thing has some games and proper support.

I abandoned Linux several years ago, simply because nothing was compatible.
It's a good step but i'll wait to see how this will be received and the updates it'll have.

But it's a good news.

Snotnarok:
I called this! Hah. Linux is way too unfriendly to new users so I figured they'd either alter the interface or modify linux heavily to make it easier to use.

Linux doesn't have a user interface, it's a kernel. :P So in that regard any Linux distribution is heavily modified.

In practice Linux based OS's are very suitable for customizing and for specialized tasks like media centers. Which would make it perfect for gaming machines. I have always imagined that a Linux based steam box would look something like the current steam in big screen mode. Turn it on, wait 10 seconds, show a menu of available games.

Without exclusive games the steambox is by far the worst console alternative.
So far there's nothing that would draw me to it above what the WiiU/PS4/Xbone offers.

Right now this console is even less meaningful than the Ouya (at least to me).

Well great looks like instead of freeing computer gaming from the tyranny of Microsoft we are just getting a new set of shackles called the Steam Box. I knew this was where we were headed a couple of years ago when Steam started getting companies make you register their single player games though the Steam program before you could play it.

CWestfall:

Snotnarok:
I can't recall the year I used linux, it wasn't hard for me but given I know most people can't figure out how to navigate windows 8, I'm not sure many are willing to attempt to learn that.
I'm not saying Linux is bad, just that it's fairly well known for requiring workarounds most won't want to put effort into.

If I may say so, your first mistake is assuming that Windows is easier to navigate. :P

In my limited experience of technical support, I've seen a lot of people breeze through Ubuntu 12.04 (and above) who struggled with Windows. Software is a snap to install with the "App Store"-style Software Centre, the system can install updates while you do other things, and above all, it eliminates the problem endemic to Windows of manufacturer-pre-installed crapware (Admittedly a fresh Windows install doesn't have that either, but I've also seen unused crapware sitting on desktops 9 years after the system was purchased).

I won't dispute that the command line workarounds are going to be generally above beginners, but with things like Ubuntu and Mint they are very rarely "required" nowadays.

...All Ubuntu proselyting aside (It's a bad habit of mine), I don't expect being Linux-based will be detrimental to the SteamOS project. Almost everything in the modern North American living room is running the Linux kernel somewhere under the hood.

It is easier to navigate when it's the thing a majority of people have been using for a long time. And if they're not willing to learn win8 when it's super similar it's going to be rough to change to a different OS in general.
Why is this an discussion on linux and not steam OS? :P
I'm aware Linux is great for certain things, like servers and game servers and what not but my point is when people whine and moan about the next windows version looking slightly different I think if it was anything LIKE linux most wouldn't even try.

Bostur:

Snotnarok:
I called this! Hah. Linux is way too unfriendly to new users so I figured they'd either alter the interface or modify linux heavily to make it easier to use.

Linux doesn't have a user interface, it's a kernel. :P So in that regard any Linux distribution is heavily modified.

In practice Linux based OS's are very suitable for customizing and for specialized tasks like media centers. Which would make it perfect for gaming machines. I have always imagined that a Linux based steam box would look something like the current steam in big screen mode. Turn it on, wait 10 seconds, show a menu of available games.

You know what I meant, let's not be cheeky here.
Yes it's a very good OS for certain things I was not at all putting it down for that, if not for linux gaming servers would be awful, okay most servers would be awful.
But if most aren't willing to switch to a new windows because the interface looks funny, then they'd be far less likely to switch to version of Linux, which is probably a good thing they went with a new SteamOS gui of linux.

Seriously guys I'm not bashing linux, I'm saying most people are barely willing to try something outside of their comfort zone has nothing to do with linux being tricky or not. It could be the easiest OS in the world but if you have the start bar lets say on the right by default and you CAN change it, people will still probably avoid it for a years till things are pushed.

Bostur:

Snotnarok:
I called this! Hah. Linux is way too unfriendly to new users so I figured they'd either alter the interface or modify linux heavily to make it easier to use.

Linux doesn't have a user interface, it's a kernel. :P So in that regard any Linux distribution is heavily modified.

Thank you for that correction. It irritates me that most Windows users don't understand that an operating system is not defined by its user interface. It's like saying that you don't like roast beef sandwiches because the whole wheat bread puts you off. You may never taste the meaty deliciousness of roast beef because you don't understand that there are dozens of different breads available with which to make a roast beef sandwich.

Likewise, there are dozens of user interfaces available on Linux, and critisizing the entire operating system because of a bad experience with just one of them blinds you to all the possibilities.

OT:
Has Valve released any of the OS specs yet. I'm assuming it'll just be a customized version of Ubuntu, but maybe they have something interesting up their sleeve. Also, calling it now: we'll get to Friday, and they'll announce that they're postponing the third announcement indefinately. Because everyone knows Valve can't count to three.

I know there are many people here that understand this OS stuff better than me.....alot better. But, I still dont get whom this OS is aimed for? Ok, PC users could use it i guess. But the actual SteamBox, if it is a thing, not sure who this is aimed at? PC gamers would rather upgrade their PC and they already have Steam. Console gamers? Not sure. I was thinking the Steam box could be a cheaper gamer thing where you play games over the cloud? I dont know if you would need a high tech box thats expensive if your playing games over the cloud....wouldnt that be doing on the processing etc? For me, if a Steam box allowed you to play games, then i would expect it to be high tech so i can play all the games at the highest settings all the time and would it be future proof? If it is wouldnt that mean the original box would be expensive?

Im not a knowledgeable PC person - so not sure if this comment is relevant in anyway. lol.

Snotnarok:

Bostur:

Snotnarok:
I called this! Hah. Linux is way too unfriendly to new users so I figured they'd either alter the interface or modify linux heavily to make it easier to use.

Linux doesn't have a user interface, it's a kernel. :P So in that regard any Linux distribution is heavily modified.

In practice Linux based OS's are very suitable for customizing and for specialized tasks like media centers. Which would make it perfect for gaming machines. I have always imagined that a Linux based steam box would look something like the current steam in big screen mode. Turn it on, wait 10 seconds, show a menu of available games.

You know what I meant, let's not be cheeky here.
Yes it's a very good OS for certain things I was not at all putting it down for that, if not for linux gaming servers would be awful, okay most servers would be awful.
But if most aren't willing to switch to a new windows because the interface looks funny, then they'd be far less likely to switch to version of Linux, which is probably a good thing they went with a new SteamOS gui of linux.

Seriously guys I'm not bashing linux, I'm saying most people are barely willing to try something outside of their comfort zone has nothing to do with linux being tricky or not. It could be the easiest OS in the world but if you have the start bar lets say on the right by default and you CAN change it, people will still probably avoid it for a years till things are pushed.

I suppose I was a bit cheeky, but for a good reason. When people say something like "Linux is hard" or "Linux is ugly" they are refering to a very specific flavour of Linux, the one they tried. Linux does not look or feel like anything in particular, but specific distributions of Linux do. It is a bit like dismissing all games just because someone tried out GTA and didn't like it. If someone tries out Valve's particular flavour of Linux and don't like it, that would be a more fair assesment.

Seriously I know you are not bashing Linux, but a lot of people have a hard time grasping the concept that sometimes software has no look or feel, but can be a lot of different things. People may be using Linux without even realizing it, through embedded systems, servers and gadgets and as you mention yourself gaming servers. I have a feeling that the flavour of Linux inside Valve's console will look very much like Steam in big screen mode. I imagine it will just look like a thing with buttons to press to play games ;-)

SonOfVoorhees:
I know there are many people here that understand this OS stuff better than me.....alot better. But, I still dont get whom this OS is aimed for? Ok, PC users could use it i guess. But the actual SteamBox, if it is a thing, not sure who this is aimed at? PC gamers would rather upgrade their PC and they already have Steam. Console gamers? Not sure. I was thinking the Steam box could be a cheaper gamer thing where you play games over the cloud? I dont know if you would need a high tech box thats expensive if your playing games over the cloud....wouldnt that be doing on the processing etc? For me, if a Steam box allowed you to play games, then i would expect it to be high tech so i can play all the games at the highest settings all the time and would it be future proof? If it is wouldnt that mean the original box would be expensive?

Im not a knowledgeable PC person - so not sure if this comment is relevant in anyway. lol.

It's a good question I think. It might be a competitor for other gaming consoles, a second computer to put in the living room just for gaming and multimedia purposes. For people who like the openness and freedom of a PC, but who don't want to build a multimedia machine from the ground up themselves.
The OS itself would at first probably be most interesting for people who use Linux as a desktop system, having a distribution that can run a lot of games sounds like a good thing to me, and it may cause some Linux users to uninstall Windows completely. Also the tech could flow into other linux distributions making them all more gaming friendly. That is common practice for Open Source Software.

In the long term Windows may not be suitable for gaming at all, this was the concern that caused Valve to start the project in the first place. If future releases of Windows becomes gamer unfriendly the audience may be anyone currently owning PCs for gaming purposes.

This is just a first step. I don't think a lot of people will convert to SteamOS right away, but if it turns out to be good more and more users may slowly start using it.

Well, that's one helluva tease for a "not-console".
Lets hope the actual reveal won't be the unveiling of another Trojan Horse like the Xbone reveal.

As for the other announcements; pitching updates to the Steam service seems most logical. HL3...eh, I'd like to claim it's not as important as the introduction of SteamOS in the grander scheme of things, but SteamOS isn't what the gaming public has been obsessing over for years now.

I know better.

Bostur:

Snotnarok:

Bostur:
[quote="Snotnarok" post="6.829128.20192415"]I called this! Hah. Linux is way too unfriendly to new users so I figured they'd either alter the interface or modify linux heavily to make it easier to use.

Linux doesn't have a user interface, it's a kernel. :P So in that regard any Linux distribution is heavily modified.

In practice Linux based OS's are very suitable for customizing and for specialized tasks like media centers. Which would make it perfect for gaming machines. I have always imagined that a Linux based steam box would look something like the current steam in big screen mode. Turn it on, wait 10 seconds, show a menu of available games.

You know what I meant, let's not be cheeky here.
Yes it's a very good OS for certain things I was not at all putting it down for that, if not for linux gaming servers would be awful, okay most servers would be awful.
But if most aren't willing to switch to a new windows because the interface looks funny, then they'd be far less likely to switch to version of Linux, which is probably a good thing they went with a new SteamOS gui of linux.

Seriously guys I'm not bashing linux, I'm saying most people are barely willing to try something outside of their comfort zone has nothing to do with linux being tricky or not. It could be the easiest OS in the world but if you have the start bar lets say on the right by default and you CAN change it, people will still probably avoid it for a years till things are pushed.

I suppose I was a bit cheeky, but for a good reason. When people say something like "Linux is hard" or "Linux is ugly" they are refering to a very specific flavour of Linux, the one they tried. Linux does not look or feel like anything in particular, but specific distributions of Linux do. It is a bit like dismissing all games just because someone tried out GTA and didn't like it. If someone tries out Valve's particular flavour of Linux and don't like it, that would be a more fair assesment.

Seriously I know you are not bashing Linux, but a lot of people have a hard time grasping the concept that sometimes software has no look or feel, but can be a lot of different things. People may be using Linux without even realizing it, through embedded systems, servers and gadgets and as you mention yourself gaming servers. I have a feeling that the flavour of Linux inside Valve's console will look very much like Steam in big screen mode. I imagine it will just look like a thing with buttons to press to play games ;-)

I'm aware, I forgot the one I tried it's been so long, it was fairly easy but I had to look up a few work arounds for silly things. I was only playing with it since I've been satisfied with windows for ages.
Well, of course, isn't that what I said before? That Linux would be too cumbersome for the average joe so I figured they'd make their own OS?
I just wish I said it here so I could have been like (LINK TO ME BEING SUPER FUTURE PREDICTING). You know to make my internet ego huge! D: ...You don't even like my avatar do you *cries*

Snotnarok:

I'm aware, I forgot the one I tried it's been so long, it was fairly easy but I had to look up a few work arounds for silly things. I was only playing with it since I've been satisfied with windows for ages.
Well, of course, isn't that what I said before? That Linux would be too cumbersome for the average joe so I figured they'd make their own OS?
I just wish I said it here so I could have been like (LINK TO ME BEING SUPER FUTURE PREDICTING). You know to make my internet ego huge! D: ...You don't even like my avatar do you *cries*

Your avatar is nice, but it needs a haircut. ;-)

You did say so. I think you got unlucky and became representative of everyone saying "Linux is [insert opinion here]", and there has been a lot of that lately with the steambox announcements. I didn't specifically criticize you, but was attempting to explain the concepts generally. But I suppose it was a bit unfair towards you.

I don't agree that typical Linux based OSs are too cumbersome for avergae Joes though. Although installing a fresh OS often is, no matter the brand. Windows can be an absolute pain to install to multiboot - ouch. But average Joes usually don't need to bother with that since they get the OS pre-installed.

Bostur:

Snotnarok:

I'm aware, I forgot the one I tried it's been so long, it was fairly easy but I had to look up a few work arounds for silly things. I was only playing with it since I've been satisfied with windows for ages.
Well, of course, isn't that what I said before? That Linux would be too cumbersome for the average joe so I figured they'd make their own OS?
I just wish I said it here so I could have been like (LINK TO ME BEING SUPER FUTURE PREDICTING). You know to make my internet ego huge! D: ...You don't even like my avatar do you *cries*

Your avatar is nice, but it needs a haircut. ;-)

You did say so. I think you got unlucky and became representative of everyone saying "Linux is [insert opinion here]", and there has been a lot of that lately with the steambox announcements. I didn't specifically criticize you, but was attempting to explain the concepts generally. But I suppose it was a bit unfair towards you.

I don't agree that typical Linux based OSs are too cumbersome for avergae Joes though. Although installing a fresh OS often is, no matter the brand. Windows can be an absolute pain to install to multiboot - ouch. But average Joes usually don't need to bother with that since they get the OS pre-installed.

You mean I need the butt off my head in my silly self portrait :V

I have that problem, I've said it probably too much that I'm not a fan of the Zelda series, played ever one of them and only like 1 and it's not OoT, so I get "WHAAAT you're stupid! How can you hate it!?" Not hate, just don't like playing.

It's ...not that it's too cumbersome for them to learn, it's that it's too cumbersome for them to BOTHER. Many people don't even want to learn how to use WIN8, even if it's exactly the same.
There's no start bar? Well if you move your mouse to the same corner and click...you get the metro bar, that has been pointed out in vids on youtube to be "a stupid change".
I caved and got WIN8 when it was 15 bucks for the upgrade and honestly? It's been nice and ..the same exact experience so whenever someone says WIN8 is bad, I think I get the same confusion some get; as you said "Linux is confusing"; as the linux users get confused, I get confused in that way with WIN8 dislike. Not that it bothers me, like what you like but when someone claims it's hard, and it's super similar, it's head scratching.

 

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