Let's Compare Lost Planet 3 to a Good Game

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Let's Compare Lost Planet 3 to a Good Game

In which Yahtzee relates Metroid Prime to Lost Planet 3, and the latter suffers for the comparison.

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You have brought up Metroid Prime as a good game a few times, but i'm still left curious about what you thought of the other Prime games.

They re-released Metroid Prime on the Wii packaged with the other two games.

Yahtzee, no need to beat around the bush with us. We all know that when you say "Other 3D metroid games" you mean other M. What other games does Samus act like a stripper in? Echos? Corruption?

They did re-release Metroid prime, they released it as Metroid Prime Trilogy, in a metal case with the other 2 prime games, all with enhanced controls to work with the wiimote if you wanted to use it. Goodluck finding it for a reasonable price though, it only had a limited run of a couple months before Nintendo stopped making it.

Lost Planet 3 is such a letdown. For all its issues (and they were many and varied) Lost Planet 2 is one of the best co-op games I've ever seen, with environments packed full of so many options that, even with four players, you'll never use everything in any given playthrough of an encounter. It also had way cooler robots.

all this talk of metroid prime makes me want to play metriod prime again after years of not even touching game disk. I never beat metriod prime 2 so I may want give that another chance too. I beat the first and third one but I don't remember why I quit playing metriod prime 2.

I have nothing to say about Lost Planet 3 or any of the lost planet games in general due not playing any of them.

Worgen:
They did re-release Metroid prime, they released it as Metroid Prime Trilogy, in a metal case with the other 2 prime games, all with enhanced controls to work with the wiimote if you wanted to use it. Good luck finding it for a reasonable price though, it only had a limited run of a couple months before Nintendo stopped making it.

so if it was limited then I am pretty happy to have got Metroid Prime Trilogy before it got expensive.

I should go replay Metroid Prime. Actually last time I played that it was a few months ago, but I again got stuck on the flora pronunciation nightmare that is Flaahgra.

Not that I haven't beaten Metroid Prime, it's just... plant thing is mean.

Capcom swings and misses again. I don't think they have many swings left.

But... I like Samus's long hair.

I do agree about all the other points, though. The Metroid franchise desperately needs more installations. Preferably with developers that know what the hell they're doing.

Metroid Prime seriously surprised me when it came out. I wasn't expecting to like it as much as I did, it has such a fantastic atmosphere.

erttheking:
Yahtzee, no need to beat around the bush with us. We all know that when you say "Other 3D metroid games" you mean other M. What other games does Samus act like a stripper in? Echos? Corruption?

Not necessarily. While Other M is the biggest offender, in Prime 2 and 3 you can see that Samus is starting to look more cartoonish and conventionally attractive. In comparison, the portrait of Samus you see at the end of the first game is that of a professional mercenary that gives no fucks about looks because that's not part of her job.

Also Yahtzee likes to use hyperbole. You should know this buy now.

I hope Yahtzee takes some time to do a ZP review of Metroid Prime like he did with Shadow of the Colossus. That game could stand some serious revisiting from the gaming community.

Wait, the MC in Lost Planet 3 has a beard? Wow, what an original premise for an MC design, lets take a look.
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Well... that's okay I guess... I mean the guy's no Guan Yu...

Reincarnatedwolfgod:
all this talk of metroid prime makes me want to play metriod prime again after years of not even touching game disk. I never beat metriod prime 2 so I may want give that another chance instead. I beat the first and third one but I don't remember why I quit playing metriod prime 2.

I have nothing to say about Lost Planet 3 or any of the lost planet games in general due not playing any of them.

Worgen:
They did re-release Metroid prime, they released it as Metroid Prime Trilogy, in a metal case with the other 2 prime games, all with enhanced controls to work with the wiimote if you wanted to use it. Good luck finding it for a reasonable price though, it only had a limited run of a couple months before Nintendo stopped making it.

so if it was limited then I am pretty happy to have got Metroid Prime Trilogy before it got expensive.

Lucky, I wish I had gotten it, when they announced they were cutting off making the game discs they all vanished from stores before I could get one.

I realise one of these games is better than the other, but i'd like to point out your first complaint rests entirely on the fact that one game is linear and the other is not, are all linear games less deserving of praise?
I know you know that's not the case, i'm just being a jerk.

Reincarnatedwolfgod:
all this talk of metroid prime makes me want to play metriod prime again after years of not even touching game disk. I never beat metriod prime 2 so I may want give that another chance instead. I beat the first and third one but I don't remember why I quit playing metriod prime 2.

I have nothing to say about Lost Planet 3 or any of the lost planet games in general due not playing any of them.

Worgen:
They did re-release Metroid prime, they released it as Metroid Prime Trilogy, in a metal case with the other 2 prime games, all with enhanced controls to work with the wiimote if you wanted to use it. Good luck finding it for a reasonable price though, it only had a limited run of a couple months before Nintendo stopped making it.

so if it was limited then I am pretty happy to have got Metroid Prime Trilogy before it got expensive.

Yeah I hunted down a copy of the Trilogy, with the collector's metal case and artbook, and it still goes for the original price of $60. It's listed as a top rare wanted item at gamestop and other retailers that keep lists. MP1 and 2 when ported got not only graphical upgrades, but they now have the control scheme of Corruption (3) which is top notch. Going through these on my 42" was totally worth it.

As far as not finishing Echoes, I agree with Yatzhee's old review that the stacked 3D map is a little convoluted and the backtracking can get a tad excessive, but it is still my favorite of the three. Echoes gives us the most open exploration towards the end (lots of interconnecting side tunnels) and I never reached a point where collecting powerups was a waste; because it has ammo mechanics you never have an excessive amount of missiles or anything, they're invaluable. The biggest problem it has is a slow/long start. The second half of the game is the best IMO, go back and play it!

cikame:
I realise one of these games is better than the other, but i'd like to point out your first complaint rests entirely on the fact that one game is linear and the other is not, are all linear games less deserving of praise?
I know you know that's not the case, i'm just being a jerk.

Watch TB's review and he'll actually show you footage of the slog Yahtzee is describing. Judge for yourself, it's not that it's linear, but the bad kind of linear, all the while pretending that it is not.

www.youtube.com/embed/VoQQPmjF5T4?rel=0

Mahoshonen:

erttheking:
Yahtzee, no need to beat around the bush with us. We all know that when you say "Other 3D metroid games" you mean other M. What other games does Samus act like a stripper in? Echos? Corruption?

Not necessarily. While Other M is the biggest offender, in Prime 2 and 3 you can see that Samus is starting to look more cartoonish and conventionally attractive. In comparison, the portrait of Samus you see at the end of the first game is that of a professional mercenary that gives no fucks about looks because that's not part of her job.

Also Yahtzee likes to use hyperbole. You should know this buy now.

http://www.metroid-database.com/features/prime_endings.jpg

Ehhhh...I'd hardly call the first one ugly. And yes, the one from echos is an abomination of life but I don't see anything wrong with the one in Corruption. She looks rather stoic and professional there too. Let's also remember that we only ever see her helmet off at the beginning of corruption, the end of corruption and echos, and after the first major boss in corruption because she takes it off to throw up before slapping it back on and going back to work. Not to mention I think the one from Prime doesn't look cartoony just because the hardware back then wasn't as good, it just doesn't look that well rendered.

I don't really see how these games can even faintly compare to the shit that other M pulled.

From what I've seen, Jim Peyton seems like a genuinely sympathetic and human character. Right now he's the main reason why I want to play Lost Planet 3.

you know, Metroid Prime was re-released in the Metroid Prime Trilogy on the Wii. Sure that's only one time but it DID happen.

Excellently done, Yahtzee. I like these kinds of side-by-side comparisons and would like to see more.

Silk_Sk:
I hope Yahtzee takes some time to do a ZP review of Metroid Prime like he did with Shadow of the Colossus. That game could stand some serious revisiting from the gaming community.

Give it time; he might do a retro review if it's a slow release period, or even tomorrow to balance out Lost Planet 3's inherent crapiness.

Metroid Prime is one of my all-time favourite games, and while I'm always extremely happy to get a followup the series suffers from an unfortunate side effect which I call 'original formula works best'. In the series this would be: Metroid, Super Metroid, and Metroid Prime. Metroid works best when you're stranded alone on a planet with nothing but a pea shooter, and gradually obtain powerups as you work your way through a variety of levels. Problem is since unlike Link Samus is a re-occurring character it starts getting kind of silly when you have to get beat up by Ridley or whatever at the start of every game to put you back to a blank slate.

Though maybe a little bit of retconning would work. Change the story/setting up so that the powerups left behind by the birdy people only work for that specific planet. Being a badass space bounty hunter you could make the 'space Samus' pretty powerful, but when she lands on a planet it's a new game every time.

erttheking:

Mahoshonen:

erttheking:
Yahtzee, no need to beat around the bush with us. We all know that when you say "Other 3D metroid games" you mean other M. What other games does Samus act like a stripper in? Echos? Corruption?

Not necessarily. While Other M is the biggest offender, in Prime 2 and 3 you can see that Samus is starting to look more cartoonish and conventionally attractive. In comparison, the portrait of Samus you see at the end of the first game is that of a professional mercenary that gives no fucks about looks because that's not part of her job.

Also Yahtzee likes to use hyperbole. You should know this buy now.

http://www.metroid-database.com/features/prime_endings.jpg

Ehhhh...I'd hardly call the first one ugly. And yes, the one from echos is an abomination of life but I don't see anything wrong with the one in Corruption. She looks rather stoic and professional there too. Let's also remember that we only ever see her helmet off at the beginning of corruption, the end of corruption and echos, and after the first major boss in corruption because she takes it off to throw up before slapping it back on and going back to work. Not to mention I think the one from Prime doesn't look cartoony just because the hardware back then wasn't as good, it just doesn't look that well rendered.

I don't really see how these games can even faintly compare to the shit that other M pulled.

I never used the word 'ugly'. She's normal-looking. And there's nothing wrong with that. And Yahtzee likes to exaggerate, so you ought to take what he says with a grain of salt.

Mahoshonen:

erttheking:

Mahoshonen:

Not necessarily. While Other M is the biggest offender, in Prime 2 and 3 you can see that Samus is starting to look more cartoonish and conventionally attractive. In comparison, the portrait of Samus you see at the end of the first game is that of a professional mercenary that gives no fucks about looks because that's not part of her job.

Also Yahtzee likes to use hyperbole. You should know this buy now.

http://www.metroid-database.com/features/prime_endings.jpg

Ehhhh...I'd hardly call the first one ugly. And yes, the one from echos is an abomination of life but I don't see anything wrong with the one in Corruption. She looks rather stoic and professional there too. Let's also remember that we only ever see her helmet off at the beginning of corruption, the end of corruption and echos, and after the first major boss in corruption because she takes it off to throw up before slapping it back on and going back to work. Not to mention I think the one from Prime doesn't look cartoony just because the hardware back then wasn't as good, it just doesn't look that well rendered.

I don't really see how these games can even faintly compare to the shit that other M pulled.

I never used the word 'ugly'. She's normal-looking. And there's nothing wrong with that. And Yahtzee likes to exaggerate, so you ought to take what he says with a grain of salt.

I never said that there was anything wrong with that. I'm just saying that her new designs are perfectly fine is all.

"Metroid Prime, which was a really good game on the Gamecube that Nintendo haven't gotten around to re-releasing yet."

Uhhh.....Yahtzee. They did: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime:_Trilogy

Lovely. just lovely.
Im so scared of getting another minimal content warning, that i have to spout all this shit just to say one word.
Lovely.

oh! p.s. Lost planet 3 is the biggest shit taken on lost planet lovers ever. We want MORE mechs with varying levels of awesomeness and MORE level of level variety...not less, you dumb psuedo-creative team!!!

I see I wasn't the only one who got a whiff of the Metroidvania tropes within Lost Planet 3.

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Ah, Metroid Prime. A game that not only holds a spot in the top five games of the last generation but should be required study material for anyone looking to get into proper game design. Especially in the areas of level design and world building.

Lost Planet 3, on the other hand, deserves a place in the bargain rental bin at best.

Sad to say, many of the bigger game series nowadays deserve the same treatment.

It's surprisingly hard to find any game that is atmospheric and focuses on the gameplay rather than some written down narrative. At least in the AAA genre. Then again, video games seem to be following the pattern of Television shows: All that matters is the ratings and not if the game itself is actually any good or not. =(

Colt47:
It's surprisingly hard to find any game that is atmospheric and focuses on the gameplay rather than some written down narrative. At least in the AAA genre. Then again, video games seem to be following the pattern of Television shows: All that matters is the ratings and not if the game itself is actually any good or not. =(

Pretty much nailed down why I hate Sean Malstrom: Because people like him embody the idea that all that should matter is the ratings and not whether or not the game itself is good. And the more people with this mentality spawn into the industry, the more anal and savage I get towards criticism because constructive criticism is one thing but there's a fine line between that and just simply "I won't bother because it's not a million dollar seller."

Wait wait wait.

"Metroid Prime, which was a really good game"

Really Ben?

Metroid Prime is a good game?

I'm sorry, but I have to object here, Metroid Prime is a first person shooter, and thus by definition completely devoid of creativity, fun, or any other value what so ever.

[This message was brought to you by the Bob Chipman school of video game analysis]

As a creepily devoted Metroid fan who considers Prime to be the apex of gaming, I approve.

bringer of illumination:
Wait wait wait.

"Metroid Prime, which was a really good game"

Really Ben?

Metroid Prime is a good game?

I'm sorry, but I have to object here, Metroid Prime is a first person shooter, and thus by definition completely devoid of creativity, fun, or any other value what so ever.

[This message was brought to you by the Bob Chipman school of video game analysis]

Metroid Prime is classified by Nintendo as a first person adventure not a first person shooter. As are its sequels.

OlasDAlmighty:
As a creepily devoted Metroid fan who considers Prime to be the apex of gaming, I approve.

bringer of illumination:
Wait wait wait.

"Metroid Prime, which was a really good game"

Really Ben?

Metroid Prime is a good game?

I'm sorry, but I have to object here, Metroid Prime is a first person shooter, and thus by definition completely devoid of creativity, fun, or any other value what so ever.

[This message was brought to you by the Bob Chipman school of video game analysis]

Metroid Prime is classified by Nintendo as a first person adventure not a first person shooter. As are its sequels.

You know, I thought that the [This message was brought to you by the Bob Chipman school of video game analysis] thing would be enough of a pointer that I was being facetious.

But I guess not.

My post was poking fun at Moviebob and his insistence that the Metroid Prime games are bad, while never providing any reasoning besides "B-but it's FPS!"

I love the Prime games to bits myself.

bringer of illumination:

OlasDAlmighty:
As a creepily devoted Metroid fan who considers Prime to be the apex of gaming, I approve.

bringer of illumination:
Wait wait wait.

"Metroid Prime, which was a really good game"

Really Ben?

Metroid Prime is a good game?

I'm sorry, but I have to object here, Metroid Prime is a first person shooter, and thus by definition completely devoid of creativity, fun, or any other value what so ever.

[This message was brought to you by the Bob Chipman school of video game analysis]

Metroid Prime is classified by Nintendo as a first person adventure not a first person shooter. As are its sequels.

You know, I thought that the [This message was brought to you by the Bob Chipman school of video game analysis] thing would be enough of a pointer that I was being facetious.

But I guess not.

My post was poking fun at Moviebob and his insistence that the Metroid Prime games are bad, while never providing any reasoning besides "B-but it's FPS!"

I love the Prime games to bits myself.

Chipman only claims the Prime games are bad because he refuses to admit Other M was a shitty game. Part of the reason everyone I know listens to his movie opinions, and laughs at his game opinions.

Damn. I really want to play LP3, 'cause I've been spinning the soundtrack on spotify for the past 3 weeks and it's sooo good. Jack Wall still got the touch. Is it really horrible? I haven't watched the review in fear of getting spoiled.

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