Zero Punctuation: The Legend of Zelda: The Windwaker HD

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Uh...everyone might want to google minge by itself...or not. Because it is a word.

I'm disappointed Yahtzee forgot the third Link mood, "overjoyed at catching a fish far beyond acceptable societal norms".

I always liked the pirate theme of this game. I should probably get this when I get a WiiU.

How can I naturally use "mingegurgle" in normal conversation?

Juggalo Helicopters....HA!

Good review...gotta say I've liked this one more than any other recent entries. Though to be fair, that might just be because of the Juggalo reference. :P

Wolf Hagen:
Windwaker Remake?!
I got stuff on my shelves thats older then that. But it probably deserves the remake.

I don't know if that makes me an old fart, for remembering it when it was fresh and kicking, or if Nintendo doesn't wanna wait 15 years for a redo of things.
Since well.... they never done redos exept for Zelda Games.

Theres seriously something smelling fishy about all this....

Actually the Nintendo Direct revealing it pretty much said they made this to hold people over for actual releases and to give their team a chance to fiddle with HD graphics options without making something from scratch first.

No bullshit grandstanding about preserving series history or anything, just "Hey guys we can make stuff prettier now, ain't that some shit?"

LordTerminal:
I would love to see people take the link to this review and e-mail it to Sean Malstrom and see what kind of whiny pedantic diatribe he counters with in regards to it because all he's done on his blog for the past year now is go on tirades on how much of a sin against Nintendo and video games Wind Waker is and how Anouma should be hung because he made it and it exists and blah blah blah.

In fact, I'm probably going to go do that right now....

EDIT: Speaking of which, here's an example of the guy I'm talking about going on about how much of a sin Wind Waker really is. (Okay he's not talking Wind Waker specifically but he mentions it as his Zelda example of what's wrong w/ Nintendo)

http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2013/10/29/email-nintendo-strengths-and-weaknesses/

Seriously, Yahtzee needs to spend next week's Extra Punctuation talking about what's wrong with these kinds of people. I hate these kinds of elitist garbage polluting the game industry w/ self righteous BS.

...why did you tell me this person exists?

I just spent the last 15 minutes reading his articles and I want to curl up in a fetal position and just not interact with anyone for a while. Why? Why does a person like this exist? His opinions don't make any sense, and he completely believes that what he thinks is "cool" is what everyone considers cool. Dear Lord...

OP: Wind Waker is, and probably always will be, my favorite Zelda. It's also one of my top 10 games of all time, easily. That open sea is filled with adventure and exploration without a single loading bar to interrupt anything (on the Gamecube, no less!). The art style is beautiful and timeless, and it gives the characters so much expression and personality. The story is one of the more interesting Zelda tales, and it contains my favorite version of Ganon by far. I could go on, but you all get the point.

Suffice it to say, I love Wind Waker. It didn't really need an HD release, but I will gladly take it.

PortalThinker113:

LordTerminal:
I would love to see people take the link to this review and e-mail it to Sean Malstrom and see what kind of whiny pedantic diatribe he counters with in regards to it because all he's done on his blog for the past year now is go on tirades on how much of a sin against Nintendo and video games Wind Waker is and how Anouma should be hung because he made it and it exists and blah blah blah.

In fact, I'm probably going to go do that right now....

EDIT: Speaking of which, here's an example of the guy I'm talking about going on about how much of a sin Wind Waker really is. (Okay he's not talking Wind Waker specifically but he mentions it as his Zelda example of what's wrong w/ Nintendo)

http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2013/10/29/email-nintendo-strengths-and-weaknesses/

Seriously, Yahtzee needs to spend next week's Extra Punctuation talking about what's wrong with these kinds of people. I hate these kinds of elitist garbage polluting the game industry w/ self righteous BS.

...why did you tell me this person exists?

I just spent the last 15 minutes reading his articles and I want to curl up in a fetal position and just not interact with anyone for a while. Why? Why does a person like this exist? His opinions don't make any sense, and he completely believes that what he thinks is "cool" is what everyone considers cool. Dear Lord...

OP: Wind Waker is, and probably always will be, my favorite Zelda. It's also one of my top 10 games of all time, easily. That open sea is filled with adventure and exploration without a single loading bar to interrupt anything (on the Gamecube, no less!). The art style is beautiful and timeless, and it gives the characters so much expression and personality. The story is one of the more interesting Zelda tales, and it contains my favorite version of Ganon by far. I could go on, but you all get the point.

Suffice it to say, I love Wind Waker. It didn't really need an HD release, but I will gladly take it.

Because I'm sick of people like him ruining the industry, that's why. These kinds of people are obviously what's going to lead to the next crash.

Also because I want to see if Yahtzee or anyone here can come up with a counterargument to what this guy is preaching. How can you possibly hate Wind Waker's art style or preach anything that was mentioned in that article unless you've clearly never played it.

People stopped hating Wind Waker after 2002 yet this man and others (like the people behind that Anouma style video; look it up) claim that was never true. The fact that Yahtzee, a man I will admit to labeling biased in the past, is willing to admit to liking it is proof that Nintendo didn't make an HD remake of it just because they are "making games for themselves" and that gamers are getting too cynical in this day and age and I fear the next industry crash is going to happen partially because of that.

More on topic: I haven't gotten Wind Waker HD yet due to time and other releases but I plan to pick it up for Christmas. I do have to ask the people actually playing it one thing though: Can I still find those golden Tingle statues despite them taking the Tingle Tuner out of the game? I always enjoyed getting those if only for the cash boost each one gave.

LordTerminal:

Because I'm sick of people like him ruining the industry, that's why. These kinds of people are obviously what's going to lead to the next crash.

Also because I want to see if Yahtzee or anyone here can come up with a counterargument to what this guy is preaching. How can you possibly hate Wind Waker's art style or preach anything that was mentioned in that article unless you've clearly never played it.

People stopped hating Wind Waker after 2002 yet this man and others (like the people behind that Anouma style video; look it up) claim that was never true. The fact that Yahtzee, a man I will admit to labeling biased in the past, is willing to admit to liking it is proof that Nintendo didn't make an HD remake of it just because they are "making games for themselves" and that gamers are getting too cynical in this day and age and I fear the next industry crash is going to happen partially because of that.

More on topic: I haven't gotten Wind Waker HD yet due to time and other releases but I plan to pick it up for Christmas. I do have to ask the people actually playing it one thing though: Can I still find those golden Tingle statues despite them taking the Tingle Tuner out of the game? I always enjoyed getting those if only for the cash boost each one gave.

Oh, I totally agree. People like him are one of the things that are directly harming video games as an industry and an art form. Appealing only to what is "cool," stamping out all creativity and individual vision to force developers to make games that they don't want to make in the name of commercialism, being completely unsatisfied with the sales of a game that sold 4.6 million copies and deeming it a failure... Does all this sound familiar? It should, because that's the thinking driving way too many high-ranking businessmen at many AAA devs right now.

I'm not necessarily worried about a crash, but this method of thinking is doing some serious damage.

Lightknight:
At least he mentioned the ridiculous bloom filter applied so hard it looks like fog.

The bloom is the only thing that I dislike about the remake. I mean I saw a comparison of the Tower of the Gods appears cutscene and in the HD remake you couldn't even tell their was a sky it was so bright.
Although bloom always has been Nintendo's problem in some aspects. It's like J. J. Abrams and lens flare. XD

Worgen:
Its so weird to see Yahtzee really enjoy a Nintendo game, or at least straight up say he enjoys one.

I sort of wonder how many people were queuing up the comments section to rip Yahtzee for always hating Nintendo games and being TEH BIAS and so on only to feel the jarring of a car wreck when he said nice things about it.

Wolf Hagen:

Since well.... they never done redos exept for Zelda Games.

Wait, what? Never? Maybe not recently, but they've done tons of Mario remakes.

I'm kinda sad that Yahtzee didn't do TWAU or TSP this week, but oh well.
OT: I'm also surprised that Yahtzee actually enjoyed a Nintendo game. He seems to have... trouble... with 20+ years franchises.

"Wind Waker pioneered the cel-shaded cartoony look"
...if by "pioneered" you mean "took it from Jet Set Radio that came out two years before".

Daystar Clarion:

DVS BSTrD:

Daystar Clarion:
Ah, nan's soup.

I don't think I ever bought a single potion in that game, just helped to recede the industry.

Endlessly Milking a single source of sustenance by cashing in on pre-existing goodwill while letting fresh original products shrivel away like leeches at a vampire convention? What are you? EA?

Nan's soup is the only beverage/food a boy adventurer ever needs.

You know, cos, you can kind of eat and drink soup at the same time.

Nan's soup!

Riding straight outta your imagination, using my powers to fight against crime?

FiveSpeedf150:

tehweave:
I for one really liked Majora's Mask. I'd like to see what yahtzee thinks of that.

I just didn't get into it like I did OoT.

That's fair. OOT is more of an "epic" while Majora plays more like an "adventure."

Easily my favorite Zelda game. Though even I'm not sure it's worth buying twice. It's nice to see Yahtzee actually acknowledge when a Nintendo game is genuinely good though.

Well it's too late for me to buy a gamecube and I don't feel like throwing money away on the wii u. Time to boot up the emulator...

You can play Gamecube games on the Wii. Which they still sell in various places.

But... but... Midna!

And turning into a wolf...

but mainly Midna!

Who cares about Link? Zelda's not about Link, it's about the supporting characters, all the way.

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There is something BDSM about that whole relationship and I don't understand how you couldn't have been into it.

The only time Link needed to show any emotion was at the end of Ocarina Of Time, where he needed to smack Zelda the fuck down.

Go back in time to fix your mistakes? Bitch please, that is not the way of the Ubermensch

What is wrong with you Ben!?!

My life has been a lie.

*Sobbs silently in the corner*

Not sure, but I don't think I heard Yahtzee badmouth the tablet even once in this review. Ether I'm selectively ignoring the redundant argument, or he didn't bring it up for once.

I like it when games take themselves Way Too Seriously, so I didn't like Wind Waker's cartoony atmosphere. It also happened along around the time I was hoping for the awesome higher-graphics 3d Zelda that would turn out to be Twilight Princess way later, so I was very let down by the ridiculous cel-shading.

Worgen:
Its so weird to see Yahtzee really enjoy a Nintendo game, or at least straight up say he enjoys one. Especially a remake or a rerelease. Perhaps this is the end... Oh well, can't say I'll miss the world.

He was yammering on about how much he liked Metroid Prime a few weeks ago in Extra Punctuation, wishing that it got a rerelease like Wind Waker did, apparently never heard of this. That said, maybe he's still trying to ignore the Wii versions of the Prime games lest he admit that perhaps motion controls are indeed a better way to do something (and I wouldn't be saying that had I not been able to back it up by dropping $100 on a Razer Hydra to replace my mouse in TF2 when I could've gotten a perfectly nice gaming mouse for about half the price, so bite me.)

I found the duck in the bubble bath to be intensely humorous.

Once an anti-cel-shade hipster always an anti-cel-shade hipster though, and I probably won't play it this time round just because I haven't owned a Nintendo console since the Gamecube (which, tangentially, had the last good Smash Brothers on it).

Wind Waker music can be as repetitive as it freaking wants, and I will come back and say: more, please. The Great Sea theme has got to be my favorite Zelda theme since the original NES adventure. The only thing that could make my existence one iota less bleak is if Smooth McGroove did an arrangement of that song OH WAIT HE DID.

Blue ChuChus? Ha.
I never actually bothered to get the blue potion that way. It was simply way too easy to just get blue potion through Boko Baba Seeds at the Forest Haven. I mean the place is covered in Boko Babas, the guy you trade with is right there, and you only need four of the things per potion. Plus it is one of the spots you can instantly teleport to in the latter part of the game.

I never needed the Chu Jelly Juice Shop because, by the time I could make use of it, it was completely obsolete.

I agree with Yahtzee that LoZ:WW was a great game. I say that this re-make is only worth it if you sold/lost your Gamecube version of the game.

Good thing I still have it and being honest I'll speedrun through the game this time thanks to Yahtzee. This game did open world adventure RIGHT!

I hear Mister Yahtzee's description of Twilight Princess Link, and I think: So if Twilight Princess was first-person, and you never saw his face, he'd be just like Gordon Freeman! Same destiny to save the world, same silent compliance to do so, and same iconic getup!
Do you see the common ground here?

Well, at least he didn't mindlessly say all Zelda games were the same and included Majora's Mask among the games, AGAIN. >_>

Too bad they made a once beautiful game so horribly ugly.

It looks like Yahtzee had fun on this review and when he has fun making it I have fun watching it

-M

This is the first ZP that has made me laugh out loud in ages.

Pokemon next week? :D

Waddles:
This is the first ZP that has made me laugh out loud in ages.

Pokemon next week? :D

Pokémon not at all. He said that he's said all he needs to say on Pokémon with his review of White. Which is fine. I personally don't think the goal has been catching 'em all since Yellow, but whatever.

Lazule:
I agree with Yahtzee that LoZ:WW was a great game. I say that this re-make is only worth it if you sold/lost your Gamecube version of the game.

Good thing I still have it and being honest I'll speedrun through the game this time thanks to Yahtzee. This game did open world adventure RIGHT!

Speaking as someone who owns a copy of the Gamecube original, and ha an easy way to play it, I had grerat fun with the HD remake and would recommend it, as I feel it ironed out some of the flaws the original did have. Granted, it didn't add any new dungeons, but...

The sailing, as mentioned in the review, is improved by the addition of a Swift Sail that speeds you up and automatically changes wind for you, which expedites the sailing without cutting it out entirely, as with the teleport song. Also, the sail, salvage crane, Wind Waker, and cannon are all assigned to buttons other than your standard item use buttons, and automatically when you get on the boat. So you no longer have to tie up your item buttons with the sail and baton. They streamlined the Triforce quest which made the game's pacing grind to a screeching halt when you beat all but the final dungeons. And for those who like taking pictographs? They made getting the color box easier, increased the capacity to 12 photos, and made it so the figurine maker will take any number of photos in one day, rather than one at a time.

It also added Hero Mode. Remember the bit where Yahtzee says you can just ignore potions and get by on a ridculous number of heart drops? Hero Mode not only doubles the damage enemies do, but also removes all heart drops. So it makes the game more challenging and gives you a reason to grab some soup and potions.

The additions were enough for me to want to get this version of the game.

Waddles:
This is the first ZP that has made me laugh out loud in ages.

Pokemon next week? :D

Probably not, the intro of the video basically explains why.

Evonisia:

Waddles:
This is the first ZP that has made me laugh out loud in ages.

Pokemon next week? :D

Probably not, the intro of the video basically explains why.

Perhaps I was too subtle for you and Enlong -_-

tehweave:
I for one really liked Majora's Mask. I'd like to see what yahtzee thinks of that.

Me too. I'd wish he didn't group it with other Zelda games and say its all the same. Showing how little he knows. Its different in which:
A. No Princess Zelda. There was a small flashback but that's it. She has no role in the story. A plus point for me as Zelda is as boring as royalty gets and when she appears, the world has to revolve around her, making it all boring.
B. No Ganondorf.. or any alternatives of him i.e. Ghirahim. None of your typical "I want to take over the world" villain. In Majora, the villain is a boy the same age as Link and he just wants to see the world burn. A nutcase!

So, its pretty much the most untraditional Zelda game.

Worgen:
Its so weird to see Yahtzee really enjoy a Nintendo game, or at least straight up say he enjoys one. Especially a remake or a rerelease. Perhaps this is the end... Oh well, can't say I'll miss the world.

It's not the end of the world because Yahtzee says he likes a Nintendo game. It's that Nintendo released a major IP game that's far removed from anyone's expectations or molds, different enough for him to enjoy the ride. Yeah, it's still a roller coaster through the Hookshot, Boomerang, Master Sword, and dungeons relying on the item you find in it, but it's still

Everyone who still has their mind stuck in the early 2000's mentality of "I wanna play Zelda, not CELda!", the same asshats that wanted Skyward Sword to have the same graphical style as Elder Scrolls: Twilight Princess in 2011, is falling under "Ni no Kuni" syndrome. Kyle E. Miller's wisdom more than applies here:

RPGFan review of Ni no Kuni:
I've heard people say they just want to play a grand old traditional JRPG like Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy IX, or Suikoden II. I've echoed this sentiment, but I think it's dishonest. I daresay we're kidding ourselves. No manner of video game magic can hope to match our falsely golden memories, but we can still create new experiences, and that's not only what we need, but it's also what we really want. I thought I wanted Ni no Kuni, but I don't. I want something new; something that hasn't even been thought of yet; something unafraid to rebel against the status quo. This is a humbling realization, but an optimistic one. It can be difficult to know one's self and confront it, but the rewards are priceless.

And make no mistake: Wind Waker not only is different, but it defines difference in the video game industry, every aspect of it from the actual game and its differences in design from the other Zeldas before (and after) it, to the fan outcry against it. We don't really want Ocarina of Time or A Link to the Past all over again, what we want is the refinement of the older games in the imagination of new games.

One word, "Mingegurgle"

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