Zero Punctuation: Batman: Arkham Origins

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Batman: Arkham Origins

This week, Zero Punctuation reviews Batman: Arkham Origins.

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I actually paused the video the check those characters.
Damn did that remark scare me.

Well Batman Origins is a lazy game which fails to realise that the generic title "Origins" usually refers to going back in time. I'm still interested in it, though. I'm glad Bane doesn't look as ridiculous as he does in the latest Batman film. I also love Poison Ivy's Zero Punctuation model :-)

I was top of my class in goon school.

Poison Ivy reflects Batman's desire to be pretty.

Love the shout out for Crazy Quilt lol

Batman actually would burn his potatoes, it's been established in the comics he is a terrible cook.

I think I've wasted a good chunk of my life.

Not sure which is more sad. Those who had to stop the video to check on the villains, or myself. Who didn't. No, not even for Crazy Quilt.

So Gotham City is a city of nothing but goons everywhere? Jeez, that sounds like something awful...

They should of called the game "Batman: Arkham Cashin"

Chessrook44:
So Gotham City is a city of nothing but goons everywhere? Jeez, that sounds like something awful...

Well to be fair, it is contextualized despite what Yahtzee said. It's just a bullshit excuse to not have to make non-villain AI routines, but still.

Also, not that it's any different in practice, but half the thugs are in fact cops. Which are basically just one of the gangs since this is early Batman life.

I enjoyed it for what it was, wished it has stuck with the Joker/Batman relationship more.

If you get that Riddler bug, which im guessing is the one where you get trapped in the room and cant open the vent with the bat claw. Fast travel out and go back there again, but dont go in the room, just open the vent from outside with the bat claw. Works perfectly.

Might as well try to beat arkham city in new game plus instead of buying this game, from the reviews I read it a shame that they decided to not be arsed since I really liked the first two games.

I'm so glad I waited on this one. Absolutely loved the other 2 Arkham games so it's a shame they managed to do so badly with Origins. Looks like we were right to be sceptical when they changed devs.

I'll pick it up eventually no doubt. Hopefully they fix all the bugs and package it into a complete edition.

Uhhhh... is bad that im getting tired of Batman? He's not bad, its just that i have seen him so many times now. out of the thousands of hero's from comic's, why is it that i always see batman?

Zachary Amaranth:
I was top of my class in goon school.

Poison Ivy reflects Batman's desire to be pretty.

Or because Batman likes to weed out all the bad guys? :-)

I actually didn't mind them using the more obscure villains this time around.

The problem completely came from the story, or, pretty much the lack there of. I guess a story sort of comes around and things finally fall together when Joker shows up, but it just highlights how much of a mess the game really is.

People can't seem to figure out how to do a Batman story without The Joker.

They do explain why Batman would have more gadgets in a prequel during Arkham City. Alfred asks why he keeps asking for deliveries instead of just carrying everything to start with and Batman says he use too but it was to heavy and slowed him down. Game still sounds like a lazy sequel though.

ZZoMBiE13:
Well to be fair, it is contextualized despite what Yahtzee said. It's just a bullshit excuse to not have to make non-villain AI routines, but still.

Are you referring to the throwaway line about a curfew being in effect or was there a better justification for how every single non-evil citizen in Gotham got the memo and decided to obey it?

But yeah, Arkham City found a good excuse to insert non-evil characters in the form of both the Police SWAT Team you rescue from Penguin and the political prisoners you can rescue. This game couldn't even be arsed to do that much.

I think that was one of my issues with the game (Besides the most important - crashing every hour) - It's hard to care about saving the city when the population seems to be 100% douchebag. The only three characters in the entire game that are 'good' are the two Gordons and Alfred.

Batman doesn't really count - he spends way too much time breaking bones for me to consider him a truly 'good' character.

Fisting all day long

Hmmm, this must be some double-entendre which my knowledge of English prevents me from understanding... TO THE RESCUE, GOOGLE!
*5 seconds later*
No. No, no, no, no. NO! That DOES NOT go there! BLARGHSDFHDSHF

Poison Ivy represents Batmans use of psychological manipulation against his opponents. That sounds feasible, let's go with that.

Firefly represents Batmans desire for a jetpack.

For a game that can't be arsed, there were quite a lot of arses in the video.

At least with movies 3rd movie was meh because Heath Ledger died.
What was excuse of the games?

Hawkeye21:

Fisting all day long

Hmmm, this must be some double-entendre which my knowledge of English prevents me from understanding... TO THE RESCUE, GOOGLE!
*5 seconds later*
No. No, no, no, no. NO! That DOES NOT go there! BLARGHSDFHDSHF

You have my most sincere sympathies... somethings should not be Googled

I always thought Ivy was meant to reflect his will and mental fortitude. Or at the very least she's meant to tempt it. It might also be the fact that every woman is crazy for Batman yet none of them can have him, and every man is crazy for Ivy yet obviously cannot have her.

Anyways, I only paused to look up Firefly, and even then I knew who it was, but I just wanted to see if they changed him at all for the game. Anyways, that might reflect badly on my social skills, since the level of understanding obscure DC comics villains tends to be inversely proportional to your social life.

lord.jeff:
They do explain why Batman would have more gadgets in a prequel during Arkham City. Alfred asks why he keeps asking for deliveries instead of just carrying everything to start with and Batman says he use too but it was to heavy and slowed him down. Game still sounds like a lazy sequel though.

Aaaahhh... BUT! He has grapple boost. That was SUPOSED to be in prototype stages in the SECOND game. :D

Also the combat doesn't feel as fluid as it was in the first two games. There is something "off" about it.

blackrave:
At least with movies 3rd movie was meh because Heath Ledger died.
What was excuse of the games?

Mark Hamill retired as the joker? To be fair though, Troy Baker does a fantastic Mark Hamill's Joker impression.

Falterfire:

ZZoMBiE13:
Well to be fair, it is contextualized despite what Yahtzee said. It's just a bullshit excuse to not have to make non-villain AI routines, but still.

Are you referring to the throwaway line about a curfew being in effect or was there a better justification for how every single non-evil citizen in Gotham got the memo and decided to obey it?

But yeah, Arkham City found a good excuse to insert non-evil characters in the form of both the Police SWAT Team you rescue from Penguin and the political prisoners you can rescue. This game couldn't even be arsed to do that much.

I think that was one of my issues with the game (Besides the most important - crashing every hour) - It's hard to care about saving the city when the population seems to be 100% douchebag. The only three characters in the entire game that are 'good' are the two Gordons and Alfred.

Batman doesn't really count - he spends way too much time breaking bones for me to consider him a truly 'good' character.

The police can be heard saying that the curfew is in place, They make mention of the blizzard making the streets (even more) unsafe, and the fear that the assassins would put "innocents" in danger as justification. It's paper thin, sure. But it is there.

And there are, technically, the same kinds of "innocents" in Origins as there were in City. If you follow the police chatter and go to the random crime events you can often times save a non criminal from a gang of toughs just like in City. Again, paper thin but technically in place.

Make no mistake though, I'm not defending this game. I wouldn't recommend it to friends either. The only reason I'm enjoying it is because I'm the kind of person Yahtzee made mention of who actually does love the combat gameplay challenges and the predator missions. So while I would have preferred another game on the level of City, this one still provides from fun. But it's not the same kind of "YOU HAVE TO TRY THIS" fun of the last two.

Bloody bathell, not even the game itself seems to have a clue why it should exist.

The mention of throwing toys out of the pram brings back terrible, faint echoes of memories for me. I think that is how I lost my favorite rattle. Now that is a life lesson if I ever saw one. I never did it again. Had it been in the D.C. universe, I'd become a rattle themed vigilante hero, no doubt.

(Although I seem to recall getting it back. I am not sure wether that happened or if it's a memory I fabricated to tack on a happy ending)

Hawkeye21:

Fisting all day long

Hmmm, this must be some double-entendre which my knowledge of English prevents me from understanding... TO THE RESCUE, GOOGLE!
*5 seconds later*
No. No, no, no, no. NO! That DOES NOT go there! BLARGHSDFHDSHF

I like to call that The Jim Sterling Experience.

and yet Yahtzee didn't answer the hard hitting question that every fan of batman wants to know...

...is the ten-eyed man in this game? :P

I agree that batman's b and c list villains are pretty weak, even by the standards of DC's traditionally weak villain lineup.

that, the bugs, and the generally more limited experience are why I'm giving this one a pass for now, at least until it's patched. I'm not being paid enough to beta test their game for them.

All I got from this video was "goon" and "arse."

How can B:Origins be half the size of B:Arkham City, when the top half of the new game is the entire map of the older one?

All the plot-holes Yahtzee mentions (with perhaps the exception of the smart-phones) are explained through game lore -- albeit weakly.

Batman starts off with all his crap in this game because he hasn't yet learned to streamline. City points this out because it was actually a common criticism in both Asylum and City -- "Why do you have to unlock his crap? Shouldn't he have it already?" In Asylum and City he takes as little as he expects to need, and then gets more when he needs it. In Origins, he's toting most of his kit from the get-go. (Which, to me, also helps to explain why combat is so much harder.)

No 'normals' are running around because, not only is the city filled with criminals, so the night-life is pretty limited already (listen to the guys talking on the bridge about trying to find something to do), but the cops know about the hit and so have put out a curfew, and on top of that, it's apparently "the storm of the century". So the only ones out are the ones who either fear what their boss will do to them if they aren't, or are getting paid exorbitantly to do so.

That said, I've seen this criticism come up a few times and I have to wonder "why?" What do random people doing things completely unconnected to Batman in any way really add to the game? I mean, if we're talking about, as Yahtzee often has, how game companies are getting so predictable because there's so much money put at risk developing a game -- and that money is put at risk because it costs so much to make all the art for these worlds that you only see once.. how is it a bad thing to not spend a lot of money creating characters and AI that are really nothing more than animated window dressing?

And I didn't find the city size to be smaller at all, but if all you're doing is the main plot missions to bash through a review, then I suppose you might, because the addition of the fast-travel spaces means its pretty easy to miss a lot of what's there.

I did, however, notice the ceiling was much lower. Batman simply can't get on a lot of rooftops throughout the city, where in Arkham City there were only a few places where he couldn't do that. Maybe that's what Yahtzee means, because it does create a much more.. constrained.. feeling to the game -- but get yourself down on street level and run around. Compare the games that way and Origins actually feels much *larger* than City or Asylum.

Of course, what I really got this game for was the combat. If you liked the combat in City or Asylum, be prepared.. it's more difficult now. In the previous games, I liked to be able to really increase my multiplier and variety, so I'd avoid buying damage boosters and instead buy body armor to keep the bad guys up and fighting longer. This game I find I'm buying body armor to keep myself up and fighting longer. Origins Batman's a bit slower and his moves seem locked in for longer, making it harder to break into a counter. Enemies also seem to come in a lot more quickly after you've been tagged, so you can find yourself getting juggled by three or four bad guys if you just try to punch your way out of being hit.

ZZoMBiE13:

Chessrook44:
So Gotham City is a city of nothing but goons everywhere? Jeez, that sounds like something awful...

Well to be fair, it is contextualized despite what Yahtzee said. It's just a bullshit excuse to not have to make non-villain AI routines, but still.

Also, not that it's any different in practice, but half the thugs are in fact cops. Which are basically just one of the gangs since this is early Batman life.

Well at least I wasn't hung for my horrible horrible pun.

SonOfVoorhees:

Zachary Amaranth:
I was top of my class in goon school.

Poison Ivy reflects Batman's desire to be pretty.

Or because Batman likes to weed out all the bad guys? :-)

It could reflect Batman's sexual frustrations. I mean, doesn't the guy have a really fucking awful track record with woman?

I've played the game and tbh it just feels like the new devs were either lazy as Yahtzee says, or they were too scared to actually try and develop a new game for fear of it becoming the Batman & Robin of the game's industry. Without the rubber nipples.

All in all, it does really just feel like a massive DLC for Arkham City instead of being a new game in it's own right.

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