The Big Picture: Best Defense

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Best Defense

This week MovieBob takes us into the four Marvel series making their way to Netflix.

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I think the only place I've seen Iron Fist is in the Ultimate Spiderman TV Show I was watching in a fit of boredom a few weeks back. Is that still running? I actually enjoyed it, for all that it wasn't exactly very serious.

I can dig this.

Though it would be a bit weird if the series became very serious, as it is in the same universe where norse gods strut around shouting Shakespearean verses.

I think Bob's last statement is a backhanded insult on DC. As in, Marvel does something interesting each week while DC doesn't.

I think the Hand is a pretty safe bet for mook-level villains due to the ease of presentation (no fancy CGI spaceships or ultra-expensive costumes) while still being a step above random gangs.

And Bob, you can't a show on other things; I need someone to explain how Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver can be part of the next Avengers movie when they are tied to the X-Men license.

I get that you wanna do shows about something else, but I just wanted to say that these are some of my favorite episodes. I love the Comics Are Weird episodes (despite it not being said here) because it's always interesting to just get some perspective or information on subjects I find more interesting. But I understand if you wanna get away from this territory for a little bit (now watch Agents of SHIELD kill off someone tonight and you have to do an episode about that :P)

I've been excited for this news since it was announced, and I really want to see the direction they take it in. I also want to say that I still totally cast my Daredevil casting choice vote for Jeffrey Donovan. Burn Notice is over now and he would be PEFERECT for the part. Then again, Marvel has always managed to surprise me with their casting options, so we'll see what happens.

I guess now we just sit and wait for the stuff to come out. I do wonder what their release schedule is going to be. It wouldn't be very smart of them to just put all four series up at the same time (and also that would leave me with no idea which order to watch them in lol though it probably won't matter) I could maybe see them doing one series a month or bi-monthly or whatever.

Still excited...gotta wait...

next week on Big pictures:
'Marvel comics achieves World Peace'

MovieBob:
'Dammit Marvel'

So here for these series. Ladies! Minorities! YAY!

Luke Cage is such a bad ass! And I hope they can do something a bit less old school with Iron Fist's outfit. I mean it's fine and all, for what it was trying to be, but I'd be fine if we let the capri pants go in the new versions. And maybe the popped collar too while we're at it.

This is just all good news though. I hadn't heard much about these prior to this, so thanks for the update Bob!

I'm SO glad I'm not the only one that thinks the Daredevil movie wasn't THAT bad... But anyway, this is such an awesome idea, you have no idea how excited I am for this! From what I've read, "The Defenders" are pretty much the poo-man's Avengers, or rather, a team comprised of people who are usually either loners by nature or heroes who, like Bob said, weren't part of a team so they joined this one. I like the angle here, since it'll focus on street-level crime rather then the more worldly-level evil the Avengers face. Also, thanks Bob for explaining who Jessica Jones is.

I feel like this is going to be a bit confusing running alongside Agents of Shield. I mean, will they be connected, will they refer to each other, or are these more like their own standalone shows, not so much connected to the Marvel Cinematic Universe as just a part of the Marvel List of Cool Things to Watch?

Yeah, this bubble has GOT to burst soon.

ZZoMBiE13:
Luke Cage is such a bad ass! And I hope they can do something a bit less old school with Iron Fist's outfit. I mean it's fine and all, for what it was trying to be, but I'd be fine if we let the capri pants go in the new versions. And maybe the popped collar too while we're at it.

This is just all good news though. I hadn't heard much about these prior to this, so thanks for the update Bob!

If they do do Iron Fist's outfit as chesty as it is in some of the comics, I hope it's done bad-arseily and tastefully, and not like the weird US-Soap Operaesk nature of Arrow's army of man flesh.

Daaaah Whoosh:
I feel like this is going to be a bit confusing running alongside Agents of Shield. I mean, will they be connected, will they refer to each other, or are these more like their own standalone shows, not so much connected to the Marvel Cinematic Universe as just a part of the Marvel List of Cool Things to Watch?

I think a tie-in with AoS is a bit of a no-brainer. They're making The Defender series for Netflix, so they probably will be looking to keep costs comparatively low. You put a rider on the contract of whatever relative newbies you get for the parts saying that they'll show up for a cameo in AoS, maybe put in a option to cameo them in a movie or two (ya gotta figure Avengers 3 is gonna be all hands on deck).

Daaaah Whoosh:
I feel like this is going to be a bit confusing running alongside Agents of Shield. I mean, will they be connected, will they refer to each other, or are these more like their own standalone shows, not so much connected to the Marvel Cinematic Universe as just a part of the Marvel List of Cool Things to Watch?

Might be wishful thinking on my part, but I wouldn't be completely surprised if J. August Richards popped up again for Luke Cage after his role in the AoS pilot. Yes, I know that wasn't his character's name, but eh, names are fluid. He could just decide to change it for a shot at a new life after he recovers from whatever he had to go through with Shield to clean up after the bad end of his Centipede experience. He's a guy who's clearly willing to go through experimentation nonsense to make a better life for himself and his son, I'd say the possibility is there at least. Most likely not the case, but, again, wouldn't shock me.

Andrew Siribohdi:
I think Bob's last statement is a backhanded insult on DC. As in, Marvel does something interesting each week while DC doesn't.

I think you're just imaging that, he's just saying Disney and Marvel have been very active lately and that he just wants to tackle a different subject but feels obligated to cover Marvel news due to his level of knowledge and the fact that some people expect him to answer all comic questions for them. Maybe I'm incorrect but I'd guess you're a DC fan and are feeling pretty defensive.

Andrew Siribohdi:
I think Bob's last statement is a backhanded insult on DC. As in, Marvel does something interesting each week while DC doesn't.

And thats supposed to be Marvel's fault? It cant be helped Marvel is always awesome :P

Im loving this. Luke Cage and Iron Fist where always some of my favorites. I prefer street level guys like them, Punisher, wolvie when he's being a loner, and Ghost Rider. Although Cage and Fist have been Avengers recently, even Daredevil was asked at one point. Maybe if the shows are good....Maybe we might see the Hero's for Hire in Avengers3? LOLOLOL j/k No way that'd happen.

Also if they do decided on the name "Defenders" one person they must have is: Doctor Strange. I know it may seem odd but hear me out. On those comic covers you notice who is on nearly all of them? That's right. I have some Defender's comics, usually the story goes there's some big mystical bad guy that needs to be taken care of and Doc thinks up some people he needs and poof he's got a team. Usually he picks street level or loner characters, but some Defenders where mainstays.

Maybe they could use him like Nick Fury in the Avengers, you know like scouting out these guys for a team he's building. They should make him very shadowy and mystical, because if they go for gritty and realistic he'll look silly. Really Strange can be a badass, he can do almost anything, and the addition of him to the Defender name would make it pretty awesome.

That and Im a Doctor Strange fan and I would love to see his name out there

Thunderous Cacophony:
And Bob, you can't a show on other things; I need someone to explain how Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver can be part of the next Avengers movie when they are tied to the X-Men license.

They're part of the Avengers licensing as well as X-Men, so both groups can use them for movies.
Marvel can't call them mutants, or mention Magneto though.
Since they're showing up in Age of Ultron, I'm a little squicked out.
Wanda (Scarlet Witch) has had three major love interests in comic history: Wonder Man, (Don't know what's up with him)
her brother, (Yes, really.) and Vision. Vision is a robot built by Ultron, so we're going to delve into Wanda's robosexuality in Age of Ultron. (There's a Big Picture episode for when you have a slow week)

I'd like to think Cage would proberly be the groups lynch pin while DD was the 'loner' sort of green ranger who shows up to help them but often does his own thing, but given DD's popularity I get the feeling the others might get a little over shadowed here.

Still, looks interesting.

I'm quite excited as I've've like all the characters shown. I hope Ironfist does keep the mystic powers though, next to Superwoman, Devilman and Leather Skin, being a good fighter doesn't hold up that much :P

Falterfire:
I think the only place I've seen Iron Fist is in the Ultimate Spiderman TV Show I was watching in a fit of boredom a few weeks back. Is that still running? I actually enjoyed it, for all that it wasn't exactly very serious.

I watched a few episodes of that and although I didn't like it, Iron Fist was easily the best thing about that series.

OT: I wonder were Spider-man falls on the Direct to Netflix angle on the copyright gobbledygook, because I can see Spider-Man in that kinda seen.

Andrew Siribohdi:
I think Bob's last statement is a backhanded insult on DC. As in, Marvel does something interesting each week while DC doesn't.

Oh no. DC has been doing a ton of interesting stuff. But interesting doesn't always mean good. I mean the Star Wars Holiday special is one of the most interesting things on the planet. The mere mention of it makes one question their perception of reality

One thing I find interesting is that the heroes they picked are very good for a TV budget. Not sure about the Jessica Jones Alias one though. But Dare Devil, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist aren't't that special effects heavy as say Iron man or Thor

You know what would've been interesting to see although maybe jumping the shark? Squirrel Girl. You couldn't tell me that people wouldn't see a girl dressed in a squirrel outfit who uses squirrel-type powers to fight crime. I mean just look at this backstory from the wikipedia page:

"Doom captures Iron Man, and flies over the ocean where he plans to dump Iron Man's body. Underestimating her, Doom ignores Squirrel Girl. She uses her ability to communicate with squirrels through an air vent as the ship passes over a forest. Hundreds of squirrels respond and flood Doom's ship, chewing through the wires and attacking Doom enmass..."

I don't care who you are that sounds hilarious as hell, but hey, just an opinion.

Thunderous Cacophony:
I think the Hand is a pretty safe bet for mook-level villains due to the ease of presentation (no fancy CGI spaceships or ultra-expensive costumes) while still being a step above random gangs.

And Bob, you can't a show on other things; I need someone to explain how Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver can be part of the next Avengers movie when they are tied to the X-Men license.

Because they both stand in a legal "grey area"

"Now, Marvel Studios president of production Kevin Feige has admitted that Quicksilver isn't the only hero who lives in a "grey area."

"There are only a handful of characters that occupy that middle ground," said Feige. "Iron Man is not going to show up over there [at Fox] and Magneto is not going to show up over here [at Marvel]. But there are a few grey points even after many years of negotiations ... and that only happens with a character like Quicksilver, who has been a part of the X-Men, the son of Magneto in those comics, but also a primary Avenger."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=49176

Jessica Jones, is one of my favorite new characters and the sole reason for Marvel MAX. Other than that, they're taking the Marvel Knights and turning them into the Defenders. The current Defenders lineup, however, are the Heroes for Hire - Luke Cage, Danny Rand, Misty Knight, and the rest.

Edit: Essentially Marvel has designed for Netflix about 4 versions of "Arrow", but with interestingly different power sets while remaining street level crime fighters.

Edit 2: Jessica Jones was also based on Jessica Drew and her work in Madripoor, but unfortunately it ended up that Drew had to be in use elsewhere. So Bendis basically created a whole new character, that was once a famous superhero. Bendis ended up writing Drew in his Avengers run anyway.

Right Hook:

Andrew Siribohdi:
I think Bob's last statement is a backhanded insult on DC. As in, Marvel does something interesting each week while DC doesn't.

I think you're just imaging that, he's just saying Disney and Marvel have been very active lately and that he just wants to tackle a different subject but feels obligated to cover Marvel news due to his level of knowledge and the fact that some people expect him to answer all comic questions for them. Maybe I'm incorrect but I'd guess you're a DC fan and are feeling pretty defensive.

DC wants to launch a lot of new shows, and Bob will talk about them once there's more news to hear about them. So far, I heard they want to make shows starring Commissioner Gordon, John Constantine, and now The Flash.

OT: I'm excited for this Netflix original series venture. It will give some much needed face-time to some of the lesser known heroes and villains of Marvel. I'd like to know how they'll do this without Spider-Man, because I thought he and Daredevil are like best friends, or something.

captcha: Progressive, it's not good advertising if you're showing me State Farm's rates are lower than yours.

Bob, I run teen programs at the library and your show is mandatory viewing these days. Last episode prepared me for the rolling Thor discussions since you dropped it, and this one is also a huge help. I knew all of this but the Alias stuff, and it's going to help me seem like less of an idiot in front of the guys I run programs for.

My random call-outs to the crazy monster movies in October didn't hurt either.

Primus1985:

Andrew Siribohdi:
I think Bob's last statement is a backhanded insult on DC. As in, Marvel does something interesting each week while DC doesn't.

And thats supposed to be Marvel's fault? It cant be helped Marvel is always awesome :P

So... you haven't been watching Agents of SHIELD, have ya? ;)

Am I the only one that's noticed that the best superhero movies aren't about saving the world? Batman's whole world is Gotham and he's the most popular superhero. Superman has to save the universe every movie and people walk away annoyed.

I think there's a ton of room to run in less-is-more conflicts where heroes are dealing we stakes that we can relate to. We can relate to the Joker putting bombs in buildings. It's harder to relate to space-lords from another planet trying to terraform earth or whatever.

Kumagawa Misogi:

Thunderous Cacophony:
I think the Hand is a pretty safe bet for mook-level villains due to the ease of presentation (no fancy CGI spaceships or ultra-expensive costumes) while still being a step above random gangs.

And Bob, you can't a show on other things; I need someone to explain how Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver can be part of the next Avengers movie when they are tied to the X-Men license.

Because they both stand in a legal "grey area"

"Now, Marvel Studios president of production Kevin Feige has admitted that Quicksilver isn't the only hero who lives in a "grey area."

"There are only a handful of characters that occupy that middle ground," said Feige. "Iron Man is not going to show up over there [at Fox] and Magneto is not going to show up over here [at Marvel]. But there are a few grey points even after many years of negotiations ... and that only happens with a character like Quicksilver, who has been a part of the X-Men, the son of Magneto in those comics, but also a primary Avenger."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=49176

Look up The Big Picture episode "Rights and Wrongs" where Bob tackles this very subject

Primus1985:
Also if they do decided on the name "Defenders" one person they must have is: Doctor Strange.

I was thinking that during Bob's whole piece on The Defenders. I don't know much about comic teams and their continuities, but I've come to understand The Defenders is pretty much Doctor Strange playing Zordon to whatever "lesser" heroes who happen to be available/relevant at the time. Sold.

Come to think of it... isn't that also Silver Surfer's only "official" team? (ignoring the frequent associations with the Fantastic Four). Could it be that Disney finally flexed some muscle and quietly acquired the rights to Marvel characters owned by other studios? Does Disney have the balls (and foresight) to tease an F4/Avengers cross (and if so, who would play Human Torch?)? Does one dare to dream of finally letting Spider-man use his most amazing power: his ability to network? (having presence in and direct interaction with pretty much every other Marvel continuity... seriously, you can link pretty much any two Marvel characters almost directly through Spider-man, it's like Marvel Kevin Bacon.)

...no, probably not. But it is a beautiful dream.

No! I was really hoping they would save the name for the Dr. Strange/Namor/Silver Surfer/Valkyrie team. I was also hoping Avengers 2 and 3 would show Hulk and Hawkeye leaving, so that they could head over to the Defenders for a bit. Then everything would be set for a movie version of Avengers vs Defenders. I was starting to think that was more likely, because

We don't get Netflix in New Zealand... Which sucks. I hope I can get em on DVD if they're good.

walsfeo:

Primus1985:

Andrew Siribohdi:
I think Bob's last statement is a backhanded insult on DC. As in, Marvel does something interesting each week while DC doesn't.

And thats supposed to be Marvel's fault? It cant be helped Marvel is always awesome :P

So... you haven't been watching Agents of SHIELD, have ya? ;)

Is that show bad? I haven't had a chance to see it yet.

I'm most likely in the minority here, but I'm sick of comic book heroes. They poorly adapt to modern era, their powers are often ridiculous and acquired in the most cartoon-y ways, they are rarely interesting as characters, they are often inconsistent and incoherent, they are basic in design and are too malleable in the hands of writers, they are often situational with their powers, they almost always carry a tone of useless baggage from their comic book "heritage", they dont end, they just get "re-imagined", they often get written into absurd story lines that dont even belong in 21st century (I mean purple-man, really?!), and the list goes on. Again, I'm most likely in the minority here, tiny minority, and I hope fans wont try to kill me, but that is how I feel about the comic book movie craze.

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