Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Review - Episode 8: The Well

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Redd the Sock:
At this point, I'm getting sick of the Coulson mystery. It's the same f---ing thing every week to the point where no matter the resolution, I'll find it underwhelming. Either it's the obvious and they suck at misdirection, or they're going for a "gotcha" twist and laying on the mystery as overcompensation. I kind of like the Dollhouse idea.

Kenjitsuka:
Exactly that: Yay for Frakes! And yay for Dollhouse too! :D

SummerOtaku:
I also like the idea of Dollhouse being incorporated. In Avengers they have that Clint/Natasha scene about "being unmade" HOW EASY would it be if Dollhouse was a part of Red Room (the people who brainwashed Natasha).

Agreed.

I have to say, the most exciting moment in the entire Shield series so far has been the moment when Coleson said "Did I fall asleep?" and the masseuse said "For a little while."

I paused Hulu and jumped up and down pointing at the screen.

Dollhouse was awesome - I'd love to see it get wrapped into the Marvel-verse.

ciancon:
I may have misread (miswatched?) this episode a bit cos I ended up with a different opinion on Ward. When we find out what happens at the well, it was the eldest brother that looked exactly like Ward. As such, i thought the hate that Ward felt was towards himself for bullying his two younger brothers (and possibly killing one of them?).

Either way, it's some seriously dark stuff that I was not expecting to see in this series.

Except the younger of the two brothers not in the well is referred to as Grant, which is Ward's first name.

Lizardon:

Therumancer:
I'll also say again, as much as it cheezes people off, doing the "Ultimate" Nick Fury for political correctness reasons was a mistake.

Technically that's not really something they could have changed. See when Ultimate Nick Fury was designed, the artists based his likeness on Samuel L Jackson. The similarity is referenced within the comic itself, in a scene in which the Ultimates discuss who they think should play each of them in a movie about the team. Fury's answer for himself is "Mr. Samuel L. Jackson, of course, no discussion." Jackson did not originally give his consent for Marvel Comics to use his likeness, but after he learned of the use of his likeness he contacted Marvel and secured the role of Nick Fury in any future movies which will feature the character.

That happened way back in 2002, so of course Marvel agreed to give him any hypothetical role to avoid legal action. I doubt anyone who was involved in that decision actually thought there would one day be a spin-off television series based on SHIELD.

I was unaware that Samuel L. Jackson had forced the issue in that way, and I admit I can't find any reference to that part of the story. I *DID* know that they based the "Ultimate" version of Nick Fury on him visually though.

At the end of the day, I have a very specific idea of SHIELD and Nick Fury in my mind after having read about them for decades. I don't mind "spin off universes" but when they start pulling stuff like this out left and right for movies that are going to establish specific images in more people's minds and affect the further direction of ongoing franchises for a long time, it kind of bugs me... and really to be frank while it was no big deal to begin with, it was just plain wrong to see "The Howling Commandos" in "Captain America" without Nick Fury leading them, and SHIELD without Nick Fury at the helm leading the charge is like trying to make a bread without flour, it shouldn't be any surprise when it fails.

To be frank given the lack of references (I mean I acknowledge you could be right) it still smacks of political correctness to me.

It's sort of like how a lot of the "Justice League" cartoons decided to use John Stewart as Green Lantern, apparently so they could get a black character in there. I mean John is okay, but he's mostly a supporting character, as opposed to the actual Green Lantern of the title who was Hal Jordan, and later replaced by Kyle Raynor (and then eventually Hal returned). I suppose it was better than having Guy Gardner fill the role, but it's occasionally irked me when I've run into people who claim to be Green Lantern fans who have never heard of the other characters.

I have nothing against Black Super heroes mind you, I just feel there needs to be respect for the established labels and characters that people have grown up with for decades and what role they play. But then again a lot of it is that I think it encourages the attitude that there aren't any black super heroes, which is why they need to play games like this with changing established characters, or trying to bring more or less supporting cast members (mostly) like John Stewart into a "title" role. To be honest there are super heroes of most ethnicities out there when it comes to the big comics companies and there have been for decades, to my way of thinking it's better to take those characters, use them correctly, and have them become popular on their own, rather than trying to get attention by mucking around with some of people's favorite characters.

As I've been joking recently, I think Netflix should have some last minute re-casting and have Vin Diesel play Luke Cage and Marissa Miller as Misty Knight (if she shows up in "Iron Fist") just to get the goat of the people the other changes had been made for, and show how stupid it is. (Lol)

Seriously though while I'm rambling I think Netflix has the right idea here, except the part about uniting them all as "The Defenders" as opposed to having them form up as "Heroes For Hire" which is pretty much the central sub-mythology most of those shows are drawn from. "The Defenders", despite what Bob said, was originally founded by Doctor Strange to fight enemies beyond the norm striking from parallel dimensions and such. There was even a misunderstanding which lead to an "Avengers Vs. Defenders war" which was a big event in it's day. I kind of wish they had left that name open as a possible link in doing a "Doctor Strange" movie or series, especially then if they ever wanted to blow a billion dollars they could actually have a bunch of high powered heroes lay into each other by doing something similar to the event as a crossover movie that crosses over crossover movie series movies! The biggest question would be "which team gets 'The Hulk'"? :)

Bara_no_Hime:

Agreed.

I have to say, the most exciting moment in the entire Shield series so far has been the moment when Coleson said "Did I fall asleep?" and the masseuse said "For a little while."

I paused Hulu and jumped up and down pointing at the screen.

Dollhouse was awesome - I'd love to see it get wrapped into the Marvel-verse.

If they manage to wrap Dollhouse into the Marvel-verse.... I will jump up and down too, promise!!!!
Let's hope Josh Whedon is a BIIIIG fan of Moviebob and reads this :D

Any tips on how an Asgaurdian got anything, let alone a staff of power, taken from him by force?

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