Escape to the Movies: Oldboy

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Oldboy

MovieBob gives us a great look at the remake of the classic Oldboy.

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Between this and the new Carrie, I'm really dismissive of remakes. There are exceptions, but for the most part, I usually stick with the original.

The look on Sam L's face?

Priceless.

I might see this anyway.

Never saw the original. I was intrigued by the story, but the truth is I'm a very squeamish person, so there's a lot of stuff I can't watch and still hold down my lunch or at the very least start cringing as if spiders are suddenly crawling on me, and I was told Old Boy was probably a movie I should avoid in that regard.

But I do agree with you. I'm always very intrigued by cross-culture remakes (I personally liked A Woman, A Gun, and a Noodle Shop) and an American version of this plot does seem like it could have had a lot more potential than it did just based on the points you made. I mean hell they're in Louisiana, change dumplings to like BBQ or something.

In regards to the Spiderman thing...why does it look like the Rhino went out and got himself a Zoid? I mean I assume the far left one is supposed to be the Rhino.

You would think Amazing Spider-Man would learn from it's predecessor: Too many villains on screen means that none of them have any particular weight.

I'm honestly Ready for Bob to stop talking about Spider-man. His clear ditko era bias is getting old. Spent 5 minutes complaining about an adaptation doing nothing new. Makes sure to complain about at the end about Sony doing something new with Spider-man. Bob we get it please just stop.

Soon hollywood will be nothing but remakes of remakes of remakes.
*sigh*

Really? Gal Gadot is a start for Wonder Woman? The woman who's body posture and timid voice in literally everything she's ever been in--including glamor shots--says "I was lured here and I don't feel comfortable with you filming me?" That Gal Gadot? Do a quick Google Image search, Bob. Watch a few more of her clips from the Fast and Furious films. Tell me if you see one scene or photo where she looks remotely like someone who commands authority and respect not simply by virtue of being a princess and expecting obedience, but from someone who recognizes she has power, is secure in it, and thus is a voice that deserves to be heard? On that arguably has more to say than the soft-spoken, dry-humor of Superman or the brooding intensity of the Batman. It's bad enough we got Halle Berry making bad toad jokes in X-Men. Wonder Woman, like Storm, shouldn't be about muttering one-liners under her breath. She should be standing tall, with her head held high, making bold and slightly cheesy proclamations about how she's going to kick your ass with lightning, or at least a magic lasso. Gal Gadot's neutral stance is to fold her body in on itself like she's one of those girls who wore a too-tight shirt in public and she's conscious about random men staring at her chest, usually with her head tipped at an angle like her neck can't support it. Seriously, her portfolio looks like the Dutch Angles in Battlefield Earth. Emma Watson would make a better Wonder Woman simply by virtue that the woman can stand up straight. Gal was in the Israeli army, and she still holds a gun like she's afraid it will explode if she pulls the trigger.

So I really can't get behind Gal as WW, even though in all likelihood it's only going to be a cameo and it'll likely get cropped from the movie because of DC's continued hatred for its own source material and willingness to bend to angry mobs of furious fans. Like me.

Thunderous Cacophony:
You would think Amazing Spider-Man would learn from it's predecessor: Too many villains on screen means that none of them have any particular weight.

Did you know they originally wanted to have multiple villians in Spiderman 2? They also wanted to introduce Black Cat, but Sam Raimi, Avi Arad, and co. realized that they just couldn't feasibly do it and still make Alfred Molina's Doctor Octopus a well rounded and feasible character the audience could empathize with. As such, they scrapped that concept entirely, choosing to focus exclusively on Doctor Octopus, and allowing Alfred Molina a chance to deliver one of the greatest comic book villian performances of all time. I think the guys making this movie could learn a lot from that.

OT: Yeah, I haven't heard phenominal things about this movie, so I think I'll just seek out the original instead. It's a shame because I love Josh Brolin and Sharlto Copley. Their performances in No Country for Old Men and District 9 are incredible.

As for the Amamzing Spiderman 2, I'm convinced that they don't actually have a plan or anything remotely interesting... so they're just going to shove in as many villians as they can, regardless of whether or not they're actually good. As long as it makes the mindless fanboys come in their pants, all is well!

Goddamn I love Oldboy. The original that is. It's strangely good. I think I'll hold off listening to Bob's review and just go check out the westernized version for myself, even if it doesn't impress me. Remakes are rarely good in my opinion, and can't name many I like. Yojimbo as A Fistful of Dollars comes to mind.

SnakeoilSage:
Really? Gal Gadot is a start for Wonder Woman? The woman who's body posture and timid voice in literally everything she's ever been in--including glamor shots--says "I was lured here and I don't feel comfortable with you filming me?" That Gal Gadot? Do a quick Google Image search, Bob. Watch a few more of her clips from the Fast and Furious films. Tell me if you see one scene or photo where she looks remotely like someone who commands authority and respect not simply by virtue of being a princess and expecting obedience, but from someone who recognizes she has power, is secure in it, and thus is a voice that deserves to be heard? On that arguably has more to say than the soft-spoken, dry-humor of Superman or the brooding intensity of the Batman. It's bad enough we got Halle Berry making bad toad jokes in X-Men. Wonder Woman, like Storm, shouldn't be about muttering one-liners under her breath. She should be standing tall, with her head held high, making bold and slightly cheesy proclamations about how she's going to kick your ass with lightning, or at least a magic lasso. Gal Gadot's neutral stance is to fold her body in on itself like she's one of those girls who wore a too-tight shirt in public and she's conscious about random men staring at her chest, usually with her head tipped at an angle like her neck can't support it. Seriously, her portfolio looks like the Dutch Angles in Battlefield Earth. Emma Watson would make a better Wonder Woman simply by virtue that the woman can stand up straight. Gal was in the Israeli army, and she still holds a gun like she's afraid it will explode if she pulls the trigger.

So I really can't get behind Gal as WW, even though in all likelihood it's only going to be a cameo and it'll likely get cropped from the movie because of DC's continued hatred for its own source material and willingness to bend to angry mobs of furious fans. Like me.

I don't really have an opinion on Gal Gadot being Wonder Woman. But, in fairness, you should remember that one of the best performances as the Batman/Bruce Wayne combo was by a comedic actor who had virtually no experience as a movie tough guy, and one of the most memorable villian portrayals of ALL TIME was by the same guy who had mostly starred in fucking romantic comedy's

People get so upset over unconventional choices for comic book heroes... and yet Heath Ledger's Joker and Michael Keaton's Batman exist.

I'm not a big fan of foriegn movies (I don't like missing plot when I get up to grab a drink or something) but when I saw Oldboy on Netflix, it is pretty much fucking perfection! It would make it into my top 10 movies for sure.

When I saw the commercial for this on TV I couldn't help but to roll my eyes when I saw scenes remade verbatim. Seriously... fight scene is the EXACT same thing? Where's the originality? Just make an english dub (oh wait, the one on Netflix was a dub, remake not needed).

I seriously hope the other 2 semi-related movies aren't remade either, but they aren't as good anyways in my opinion. However they are worth watching.

tl;dr Just watch the old one, remake is dumb

To be honest, I mostely dislike the american remakes of asien movies, because most of the time they just simplify the plot and try to explain everything, that stayed unexplained in the original. You really get the feeling that the american people need everything to be chewed for them and canīt stand a movie, that leaves them with remaining mysteries to think about themselves.
The remake of Ju On was a good example for that.

Why did Amazing Spiderman movie "RUIN" the Lizard? ...and surely not as much as Spideman 3 ruined Venom...or Sandman...or Green goblin...or Peter Parker...or Mary Jane...or aunt May...

Wasn't Old Boy the movie based on the Manga Old Boy?

trty00:
I don't really have an opinion on Gal Gadot being Wonder Woman. But, in fairness, you should remember that one of the best performances as the Batman/Bruce Wayne combo was by a comedic actor who had virtually no experience as a movie tough guy, and one of the most memorable villian portrayals of ALL TIME was by the same guy who had mostly starred in fucking romantic comedy's

People get so upset over unconventional choices for comic book heroes... and yet Heath Ledger's Joker and Michael Keaton's Batman exist.

I don't think Affleck will be a bad Batman. I've seen Daredevil and for all that movie's faults Affleck's ability to sneer in a cowl is was one of the better aspects.

Sooo, with Superman, Batman and WW in the same movie, do you think the rumors of going all Kingdom Come are true?

Yoshi4102:
I'm not a big fan of foriegn movies (I don't like missing plot when I get up to grab a drink or something) but when I saw Oldboy on Netflix, it is pretty much fucking perfection! It would make it into my top 10 movies for sure.

When I saw the commercial for this on TV I couldn't help but to roll my eyes when I saw scenes remade verbatim. Seriously... fight scene is the EXACT same thing? Where's the originality? Just make an english dub (oh wait, the one on Netflix was a dub, remake not needed).

I seriously hope the other 2 semi-related movies aren't remade either, but they aren't as good anyways in my opinion. However they are worth watching.

tl;dr Just watch the old one, remake is dumb

If they remake the others from the revenge trilogy, I think my head will implode from anger.

I can love remakes, even remakes of foreign films, but when you have movies that are as steeped in the culture they are created in as the revenge trilogy are, remaking them is almost certain to be worse. Even if you do manage to make a passable version, or even a decent version, what's the point? I consider Old Boy to be damned near perfect, especially it's cinematography (it stands up there with Silence of the Lambs in my opinion) so any remake of it would seem naturally lesser and pointless.

Also, to anyone who has not seen Old Boy, Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance and Sympathy for Lady Vengeance, I highly recommend them. They are gruesome, but the brutality in them comes from a place that feels so genuine that it isn't done for gory kicks.

Dear god, the accent is back...

He dropped it for Frozen, but now it's back for some reason.

Magenera:
Wasn't Old Boy the movie based on the Manga Old Boy?

Yes it was. Manga written by Garon Tsuchiya and illustrated by Nobuaki Minegishi, printed in years 1996 - 1998. But for some stupid reason Park Chan-wook's adaptation is far better known, and that's sad, because the manga was better than the movie, even when it got really silly at the end. But everyone likes the 2003 movie, so there's that...

MovieBob:
Oldboy

MovieBob gives us a great look at the remake of the classic Oldboy.

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According to the internets, Spike Lee's original version is 35 minutes longer than the released cut. Perhaps a lot of that 'Spike Lee originalism' is in the cut material.

So yeah, I'll just skip over this movie and go watch Frozen again... This time in 3D, because I feel like I missed something the first time around!

While I do agreed now all remakes are bad (like The Departed is the remake of the Chinese smash hit Internal Affair) but yeah I was so unimpressed from the remke trailer.
So wait they kept the octopus scene and aswell that big twist in the end?

Oldboy didn't need a remake, so we can add this new film to the pointless remake bin and also the bad remake bin.
Why don't they remake movies which had potential but failed for some reason? There are a ton of movies out there with good ideas behind them that didn't succeed in the end and left audiences disappointed ... how about fixing the broken products and leaving great movies (like Oldboy and Let the Right One In ) alone - you know the old saying don't fix what isn't broke ...

On to the Spider-Man issue - I feel like they are going to start off with Rhino as just a smaller villain in the beginning, it's been said Peter will save Jamie Foxx from Rhino's attack and only later will he become Electro.
Electro will be the main villain fought through most of the film and will probably be defeated in the end. Meanwhile it seems Harry Osborn will emerge as the new (Green?)Goblin , and probably carry out one of his most famous acts of
Spoiler upcoming, but nothing special if you know Spider-Man history !!!! SPOILER !!!! kills Gwen Stacy (maybe at the end) !!! SPOILER OVER !! ... leaving it an open ending so it can be continued directly by the third film.

The third movie will probably have the main showdown with "Harry Goblin and some other famous enemy" and they probably left out Mary Jane's character from the second film so they could introduce her in the third film after the above mentioned spoilerish event ...

If they did it like this I think it could work out, and the enemies wouldn't be/or feel too crammed together ...

However I wasn't pleased very much with the first movie and the way they handled the Lizard ... so I have my doubts.

Wait why would no American be able to tell the difference between dumplings between multiple restaurants? Is there something about the dumpling that makes its subtleties appreciable only to people from Korea? What is it about crawdads that makes Louisianans able to tell between them?

Also yea, this movie looks bad. I didn't actually like the Korean one either, but I had hoped that they might put more action in to the American version. Also, I hear that they put a cut in the fight scene that was so famous because it was uncut?

Just sounds bad all around.

I think that I might go get some dumplings though. That sounds good right about now.

My problem with oldboy is I figured out the twist like 5 minutes after they introduced the female lead, making the movie not as good for me.

trty00:

Thunderous Cacophony:
You would think Amazing Spider-Man would learn from it's predecessor: Too many villains on screen means that none of them have any particular weight.

Did you know they originally wanted to have multiple villians in Spiderman 2? They also wanted to introduce Black Cat, but Sam Raimi, Avi Arad, and co. realized that they just couldn't feasibly do it and still make Alfred Molina's Doctor Octopus a well rounded and feasible character the audience could empathize with. As such, they scrapped that concept entirely, choosing to focus exclusively on Doctor Octopus, and allowing Alfred Molina a chance to deliver one of the greatest comic book villian performances of all time. I think the guys making this movie could learn a lot from that.

No, I've never heard that before. I really liked the personal plot of that movie, and putting in Black Cat would be tricky (because you know they would have set her up as an opposing love interest, a la Gwen Stacy); still, two villains can work, because then you have them playing off each other and the hero. With three competing evildoers, you start to wonder why they aren't all just locked in a cage and left to fight out their differences.

Old boy was an interesting experience. That makes a film worthy enough for me. Especially wallowing in Korean culture, is always fascinating. However, this remake is giving me vibes of all those american remakes of The grudge and other horrors. Why bother? Are there so many people out there that cant deal with subtitles and foreign culture? Actually i know the answer to that question. Ah well. I'll keep the memory of the original held within my heart.

piscian:
I'm honestly Ready for Bob to stop talking about Spider-man. His clear ditko era bias is getting old. Spent 5 minutes complaining about an adaptation doing nothing new. Makes sure to complain about at the end about Sony doing something new with Spider-man. Bob we get it please just stop.

If you recall Spiderman 3, using 3 villains at once in a film is not new. And it's a terrible idea when you're not some kind of team-up film.

Eetinam:

piscian:
I'm honestly Ready for Bob to stop talking about Spider-man. His clear ditko era bias is getting old. Spent 5 minutes complaining about an adaptation doing nothing new. Makes sure to complain about at the end about Sony doing something new with Spider-man. Bob we get it please just stop.

If you recall Spiderman 3, using 3 villains at once in a film is not new. And it's a terrible idea when you're not some kind of team-up film.

No were talking about the fact that Bob made the snide comment that Sony is ruining three villains in one movie and he has no idea but of course no matter what happens he'll still claim its the worst movie ever made. Regardless I wouldn't agree Spider-man that 3 villains. It's a perspective thing. Franco was a good guy by the end.

Frankly we all know Electro is the main villain Rhino is the opener and Green goblin is a lead in to the 3rd movie. It's not scrambled up like SM3 was. I went back and watched all the stuff the cut out and the ideas that were unfinished in AZM and Bobs complaints about it being disjointed were really just nitpicking.

I'm just really getting tired of his whining. "The richard parker plot no one wants to see" I'm sorry Bob but seriously how about you just speak for yourself. considering it holds a 73% on rottentomatoes the SP fanbase does not agree with. I for one like mystery and subplots in my movies about comics because THATS WHATS IN THE FUCKING COMICS.

Sorry I just think bob needs to take a deep breath and just try to enjoy the movies on their own merit. He sounds worse than people that wouldn't give Ultimate Spider-man a chance then whined when USM started being Black.

So - Oldboy is a movie I'd heard the title of but knew nothing more about, but from your summary it sounds remarkably like a loose adaptation of The Count Of Monte Cristo.

I won't go to see this movie because Lee's ad agency stole the artwork and harassed the original artist when it was leaked online.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/spike-lee-slams-designer-who-660765

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In regards to that last stinger image trashing Amazing Spiderman 2, remember Bob, it could be worse. As goofy as they made Green Goblin I in the first Spiderman, Raimi KILLED Venom in the third movie, the single most iconic villian in Spiderman history.

Eetinam:

piscian:
I'm honestly Ready for Bob to stop talking about Spider-man. His clear ditko era bias is getting old. Spent 5 minutes complaining about an adaptation doing nothing new. Makes sure to complain about at the end about Sony doing something new with Spider-man. Bob we get it please just stop.

If you recall Spiderman 3, using 3 villains at once in a film is not new. And it's a terrible idea when you're not some kind of team-up film.

You know what I think? I think most of Spiderman's rogues gallery are dumb. That's why this might work... because most of Spiderman's villains are weak, one-dimensional set-pieces that don't deserve a movie of their own. Hell, Lizard didn't deserve his own, so he was mashed in with the origin story. They seem to be going with the fact that Spiderman SHOULD be laughably more powerful than most of these guys at face value, and having multiple villains in the movie (if done well) means you don't need a HALF DOZEN Spiderman movies before you can make one involving the Sinister Six.

Bottom line is they're currently doing Spiderman a service by making it feel more like a superhero film. Spiderman was nerfed in Raimi's trilogy to make things interesting, then shit the bed at the end for making half the characters cry and ruining Venom (who he admits despising). What they did to Mary Jane's character alone should be enough for all comic book nerds to call BS on those. But the new movies get more rage because... he's not nerdy enough, or using the Ultimate backstory, or making his background not 1950's cheese anymore?

Spiderman's story is being changed for the same reason Star Trek was changed, because their original concepts make for absolutely dreadful cinema. Get over it.

Poop. This looked remotely interesting from the trailer. Oh well, I guess I'll just see the original now that this one's out.

I'm starting to think we can make out Bob's opinion of a film entirely on the basis of his accent: if it slips into his Boston affectations, then the movie's bad. End of Story.

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