What We Don't Know About Wonder Woman in Batman vs. Superman

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What We Don't Know About Wonder Woman in Batman vs. Superman

Actress and Miss Israel 2004 Gal Gadot has been officially cast as Wonder Woman: Here's the questions that remain.

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Wonder Woman is Bella, Superman is Edward, Batman is Jacob

...Bob. You scare me sometimes with your crazy yet within the realm possibility of ideas.

The more I hear about this film the more it seems like Warner Bros and DC are just chucking ideas at a big wall to see what sticks. The problem with that is that they're going to have so many things stick that everything's going to collapse into a big puddingy mess.
Seriously guys, just plan ahead. Don't just chuck in Wonder Woman because strong female characters are In Right Now. Imagine if Marvel, who's cinematic universe you are so desperately trying to mimic, just chucked Squirrel Girl into the next Captain America movie because they need small and furry things to piggyback off the likes of Grumpy Cat.
...actually I kind of want to see Captain America: The Winter Soldier. And Squirrel Girl now...

'I'd like to think I can count on Snyder to at least keep the bare legs/shoulders and strapless low-neck chestplate look... but I wouldn't put money on it.'

See I want anything other than that. Given that DC seems to be going for psudo-realistic style with these I think it would just look out of place. I hoping for a red and silver Greek cuirass and greaves, that wayit shows of skin while still actually looking like military attire.

buy the animated wonderwoman and superman/batman apokolopse movies on dvd instead.
They are fun, true to the characters and made by people who are not deluded sacks of gray and boring emptieness.

People seem to be forgetting that actors do actually train for roles. I mean, Tom Hardy as Bane? Edward Norton in American History X? Whilst I'd be surprised if she does as much as the nerdrage demands, I definitely wouldn't take how she looks in F&F as much to go by.

Wonder Woman is Bella, Superman is Edward, Batman is Jacob

Also, don't scare me like that. That's such a fucking horrendous idea.

It would be such a shame if they streamlined Wonder Woman's origin after the New 52 reboot spent so much time giving her not only a different birth, but also a story so much more steeped in Greek mythology than before.

Whether she's too thin isn't my problem. My problem is she has all the body language of an awkward teenager unsure of her own body. I can take someone too skinny, to short, too not-Greek, whatever, as long as they carry themselves the way they should. Wonder Woman stands tall and doesn't afraid of anything. Gal Gadot has the timid posture of someone who's been lured to an illicit photoshoot and told to take off her shirt.

Also, on an unrelated note. Escapist? Can you do something about about the captcha images? Mine was a picture of a Mastercard with a question in what I think was Norwegian. I had to keep giving it wrong answers until it finally just asked me to enter the following: "charm offensive." What the actual fuck?

I don't really care about the casting. I think there are better options? Yes. But I don't think any of the objections are insurmountable. I believe there are a lot of competent people working in the movie that can make Miss Gadot look like Wonder Woman if they are given the liberty to work on it. Remember how many people complained about Ledger being the Joker? or how people reacted to Bale being Batman (whose previous movie, The Machinist, left him in a, lets say, sub optimal physical condition for the role)?

What does worry me is the lack of focus we are seeing on the production of this film. I am not an iota surprised if this was supposed to be a blink-and-you-miss-it wink/cameo/easter egg that set up the sequel (the same way the Wayne logo was on the previous one), but someone couldn't keep his mouth shut and the casting was leaked on the Internet. I would not be amazed of similar cameos ending up being revealed later for casting options for Barry Allen or Hal Jordan.

I would not be surprised if, because of all the press attention, the script is now back to the drawing board because what started as "Superman 2" evolved into "Superman vs Batman" and now has to be "Superman vs Batman and Wonder Woman" and will finally grow up into a fully fleshed Justice League movie, with all this development being unknown to anyone but people like us, that followed the news about the movie since it was in pre-production. In other words, what worries me is the same it worries me since the it became apparent the only reason WB greenlighted this is because they realized Disney made a bazillion dollars with a lot of B-team, while they are sitting on a, presumably, bigger property; but they, simply, have no plan to explode it. They are acting like a headless chicken, and that gives me no confidence on the project.

TheRightToArmBears:
People seem to be forgetting that actors do actually train for roles. I mean, Tom Hardy as Bane? Edward Norton in American History X? Whilst I'd be surprised if she does as much as the nerdrage demands, I definitely wouldn't take how she looks in F&F as much to go by.

Charlize Theron in Monster... The problem here is that they are all talented actors, and Gal Gadot is well... The Fast and Furious girl.... Hell, even Heath Ledger had good roles before The Dark Knight, back in the time i didnt felt his cast for the Joker was a mistake (although i had no idea he was going to be that awesome), and i like the idea of Ben Affleck for Batman.... But i dont know what to think about Gal Gadot for Wonder Woman, i guess time will tell.
Also i like the idea of Wonder Woman made of clay and given life by the gods of (insert fancy name here) in the land of (insert undecipherable name here)... But ill agree with whatever Zack Snyder comes up with. After all, im tired of the never ending intransigent rebooting of Marvel and DC comics time lines.

TheRightToArmBears:

Wonder Woman is Bella, Superman is Edward, Batman is Jacob

Also, don't scare me like that. That's such a fucking horrendous idea.

... I kinda of wouldn't mind :P The Batman/Wonderwoman romance was pretty good in the Justice League Animated and I still think the DCAU canonical first meeting of Batman and Superman where Batman immediately starts hitting on Louis Lane was pretty funny and kind of cool.

If they got DCAU talented writers it'd be fun (and help the superhero-action-fatigue) if they got twilight level writers... less so

That MMA Chick From Haywire

Gina Carano. I dig why Bob went with the mental shorthand but she's got a name. More to the point, she's got the look for Wonder Woman, and the training. I can't figure why they went with Twiggy, for all the reasons already mentioned but eh. More power to her if she pulls it off, I suppose.

Well, as long as her origin isn't taken from "The New 52!", I'll be fine.

Elijah Newton:

That MMA Chick From Haywire

Gina Carano. I dig why Bob went with the mental shorthand but she's got a name. More to the point, she's got the look for Wonder Woman, and the training. I can't figure why they went with Twiggy, for all the reasons already mentioned but eh. More power to her if she pulls it off, I suppose.

Yeah, I'd thought Carrano was a really solid bet for Wonder Woman as well. After Haywire especially, she's shown she's got at least some acting chops, as well as her already-established action skills. Moreover, while I don't think Gadot's build is necessarily absolutely terrible for Wonder Woman, Carrano looks like an athlete.

Wonder Woman is Bella, Superman is Edward, Batman is Jacob

Jesus, Bob! Don't give these people anymore bad ideas! They got enough as it is! -_-

The casting of Wonder Woman, to me at least, holds a lot of the same questions Bob brought up and not just the "she's too skinny" complaint.

Is she a capable actress? I'm guessing "not really" since being a former beauty pageant winner and co-star in the Fast and Furious movies doesn't build confidence in that department.

What will her role be? It seems likely she'll be a minor role like Sam Jackson's Nick Fury unless Warner Brothers decides it wants to make this into the superhero threesome (mind out of the gutters, boys) that is World's Finest or Trinity. If that happens to be the case than its just another example of them pulling something out of their asses at the last minute just to beat Marvel/Disney at their own game. Plus it also pisses off the fanbase since Wonder Woman is becoming a side character rather than getting her own movie, so its a no win situation for these fuckwits.

Finally, there is that one question that should be in bold capital letters "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS MOVIE SUPPOSE TO BE ABOUT?!?" It just feels like they're trying to pump this up to such a grand level that maybe, at least in their minds, it will overshadow the flaws of Man of Steel and the possible flaws this sequel/spinoff may be brewing. I hate to burst your bubble, DC/WB, but just because you put tons of whipped cream and rainbow sprinkles on a bowl of shit, it doesn't mean the final product will make it taste like chocolate ice cream.

I should also point out that Fox and Sony, who are still clinging to their respective Marvel franchises like it was the only life preserver on a sinking ship, is planning to make their own cinematic universe.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/180639-fox-hires-simon-kinberg-to-create-marvel-style-universe-for-x-men-fantastic-four

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/180463-sony-pictures-planning-spider-man-spin-offs

WOW! Fucking jealous much, guys?!

Again, not to piss on their self-congratulating parade, but the big difference between the house of mouse ideas and the three studios in question is that Marvel Studios had a plan since day one. While it may had to be tweaked at certain points, they made sure that this was a well calculated risk that paid off in the end. Disney was just in the right place to purchase the company since they were looking to cash in on the male demo market. And thank God for that, otherwise they'd have to fall back on Pixar and their "comedy" shows like Dog With a Blog.

Fox, Warner Brothers, and Sony, on the other hand, seem to be writing ideas on Post-It Notes, sticking them on a wall, tossing a dart or two, and wherever it lands becomes their next move. Once again, Hollywood is still using the time-honored tradition of "follow the leader" without understanding what made the success of said leader work. Perhaps its time for Marvel to either offer some consolation for Fox and Sony to make their movies better or just use some of Disney's capital and legal muscle to take the properties back before both studios fuck things up beyond repair.

As for DC/WB, unless Disney has some extra cash lying around to buy the DC Universe, it might be time to take this old company out to the woodshed and put two deer slugs in the back of its head. Because every bit of news coming from the comic book company and their movie studio is not winning hearts and minds. More like pissing everyone off to the point where I would not be surprised if Dan Didio got crucified at next year's Comic Con.

Skip her origin all together. Have her brush it off as, "It's complicated," or something like that. If you don't know who Wonder Woman is, oh well. The reason I say this is because origin stories are always so boring. Most of the movie is spent with the hero trying to figure himself--or herself in this case--out, and by the time they do decide to be a hero, the movie is almost over and we get really only one scene of them being a hero. The fact that she is going to have to share screen time with Batman and Superman is not going to leave any time to discuss where she came from. Not if they don't want this movie to become a convoluted mess.

Here's what I'm expecting based on all the teasing done in Man of Steel and something I think people have forgotten about or missed entirely... Kara Zor El.

Her presences was teased in Man of Steel and the prequel comic to Man of Steel focused entirely on her and how she ended up on Earth. During the scene when Kal El is on the Kryptonian ship there's an open pod that is empty and the military's date for how long the ship had buried in the ice lined up pretty well with the comic. It's fairly obvious Kara Zor El was on that ship and got free at some point, perhaps suffering from memory loss due to the crash or being in suspended animation for so long.

I'm thinking the world is going to be on edge knowing there is a god like being called Superman running free and worrying about that possibility of another attack from alien forces. Lex Luthor will obviously be doing what Bob detailed in his article making issues far worse than they already were. This is when Kara's presence will be made through some sort of accident or act of heroism which will send many into a panic and catch not only Superman's attack but Batman as well.

Kal El is obviously going to be interested in keeping his distant cousin alive and helping her adapt to life on Earth but Bruce is going to see nothing but danger. I'm sure some of you are realizing I'm referencing a story line from the Justice League animated series by this point and already know where I'm going with this but for those who don't I'll carry on.

Kara will be the issue that Superman and Batman find themselves on opposite sides of. Superman will think she can lead a normal life and isn't a threat while Batman will obviously think the total opposite. Kara will obviously have issues adjusting as powers sometimes get out of control prompting a minor battle between Batman and Superman as Batman believes he has to do what must be done.

Enter Wonder Woman, the Amazonian Princess making contact with man for the first time and acting as an emissary from Themyscira. Obviously the appearance of Superman and now Kara will be what prompted this contact and Wonder Woman will offer to take Kara under her wing bringing her back to Themyscira to train her and teach her how to hone her skills. Batman will find this to be acceptable as she'll be away from normal people and Superman will reluctantly agree.

From there it could go anywhere with Lex being outed as the big bad or, what I personally hope for, is there will be someone else being the major bad guy and Lex is behind the scenes pulling the strings. Batman can't prove anything but he knows Lex is behind it all kind of deal.

Sniper Team 4:
Skip her origin all together. Have her brush it off as, "It's complicated," or something like that. If you don't know who Wonder Woman is, oh well. The reason I say this is because origin stories are always so boring. Most of the movie is spent with the hero trying to figure himself--or herself in this case--out, and by the time they do decide to be a hero, the movie is almost over and we get really only one scene of them being a hero. The fact that she is going to have to share screen time with Batman and Superman is not going to leave any time to discuss where she came from. Not if they don't want this movie to become a convoluted mess.

Actually, that would be the interesting thing about Wonder Woman's origin. I don't know her current origin since the reboot in the comics, but her original story was basically the queen of the amazons says "The world is almost ready for us to come out of hiding, so let's send our strongest warrior out to be a hero and help them get used to us." You could cover that quite quickly without all that needing to discover herself stuff. She already knows who she is and what she's trying to do from the moment she goes out. Hell, you could do it as a ten minute flash back. The simplicity of it would be refreshing.

RJ Dalton:

Sniper Team 4:
Skip her origin all together. Have her brush it off as, "It's complicated," or something like that. If you don't know who Wonder Woman is, oh well. The reason I say this is because origin stories are always so boring. Most of the movie is spent with the hero trying to figure himself--or herself in this case--out, and by the time they do decide to be a hero, the movie is almost over and we get really only one scene of them being a hero. The fact that she is going to have to share screen time with Batman and Superman is not going to leave any time to discuss where she came from. Not if they don't want this movie to become a convoluted mess.

Actually, that would be the interesting thing about Wonder Woman's origin. I don't know her current origin since the reboot in the comics, but her original story was basically the queen of the amazons says "The world is almost ready for us to come out of hiding, so let's send our strongest warrior out to be a hero and help them get used to us." You could cover that quite quickly without all that needing to discover herself stuff. She already knows who she is and what she's trying to do from the moment she goes out. Hell, you could do it as a ten minute flash back. The simplicity of it would be refreshing.

Or, best case scenario, go the Thor route and make it as visually ridiculous and fantastical as possible. I'd love to see a romanticized fantasy adventure type film involving Wonder Woman.

Andrew Siribohdi:

Wonder Woman is Bella, Superman is Edward, Batman is Jacob

...Bob. You scare me sometimes with your crazy yet within the realm possibility of ideas.

It's not crazy at all. Just terrifying. Very terrifying.

And now they're finding a way to cram Wonder Woman into what is already a blatant attempt to follow the The Avenger's coattails? Am I the only one who thinks that DC is in such a rush to get JLA out the door that it's like they're blowing their load before they even put it in? Seriously, DC, at least warm us up with some foreplay like Marvel did.

While an attractive woman and being able to do much of her own stunt work is a plus I still kind of hoped for something a bit more like Justice League the New Frontier where Amazons were big gals. But I guess you do hit a problem of where do you find a woman that tall and with the charisma to pull off the part?

Although it's possible she could pull it all off. The different take on the Joker worked because they had young actor with the skills to pull it off. I even like where they are going with the Flash on Arrow. But then on the other side of the coin is blah dull and boring like the current Lois Lane so DC has been rather hit and miss when it comes to live action characters.

It's funny how many times Bob manages to squeeze in a gripe about the armoured Batman costumes of the last decade.
I don't think I've read a single article related to Batman where he hasn't groused about it in one way or another.

I personally loved those suits design.

Would I like to see Ben Affleck in something a bit different?

Sure, I would. If they decided to make his costume more like something of the cloth depicted in the comics or in the Animated Series, I'd hope they do it justice and make it look like it could actually protect him to some degree, not just look like a crappy t-shirt.

But, back on topic...

Not entirely sure about the casting, but then again, I'm not very familiar with the actress. As for her figure/image/ etc, I'm sure she'll be able to find a personal trainer in LA.

That said, I'm still on the 'meh' side of the fence about the whole project.

The discussion of whether or not she is too thin isn't really "body snarking" per se, and it is a perfectly legitimate discussion to have. Gal Gadot is gorgeous as she is. What she is not is a 6 foot amazon that could go toe to toe with Superman in strength that has the physical presence of someone who has spent ages constantly training as a sword wielding warrior maiden.

Just as Tyler Perry would not look the part in a George Washington documentary, but that doesn't have anything to do with acting skills or who he is as a whole. He just doesn't look the part.

IMO Warner Brothers is prepping for a colossal blunder casting Wonder Woman as cute eye candy in her first time in films rather than a capable and respectably strong (physically and in presence) female role model.

Bit of a cock up. They are putting all their eggs in one basket. If the BvS fails, then so does their idea of a Justice League movie. The good thing Marvel did was let you get to know their characters in their own movies, thus making Avengers awesome. If they had rushed it the viewers wouldnt give a crap about Thor or Captain America because we wouldnt know who they are.

There will always be a market for Batman, he is popular. They did ok with Man Of Steel, but that wasnt a massive success and i would have liked another Man of Steel movie to see more of that character. Wonder Woman, well she hasnt been in much, there was a tv show. She needs her own movie to get her background and what makes her tick. Or is she just going to be eye candy? Then the Flash had a shitty movie and Martian Manhunter not been in any live action movie.

Just feels like they are using the popularity of Batman to force this thing along instead of allowing the characters to live in their own rights. Imagine the movie will be called Batman and the Justice League.

Oh my gosh, they've casted a new Wonder Woman. And she looks like I could run a towel under the water faucet, put it on her chest, and pin her to the ground while she struggles uselessly to throw it off of her and stand up.

But hey, actors change themselves all the time. I don't know, man. All I know is, I'm so happy they're cancelling the Lobo film, since they obviously wouldn't understand why Th' Main Man rules the goddamn universe. God, they were seriously talking about The Rock as Lobo.

Can you imagine?

As to her body, don't get too attached to it as is. First, watch the behind the scenes of Man of Steel, and watch Cavill's jump from buff to can-man-get-that-buff?. But Cavill wasn't the only one to undergo this transformation. Faora-Ui, played by Antje Trau, also did the get buff thing. And she was under armor the whole movie. I love this little detail in films (not that Man of Steel was a great film) but this one detail was right. There's almost nothing that pisses me off in a movie more than action stars who've never thrown a punch in their life. Buffy went on for seven seasons and nobody showed Mrs. Prince Jr. how to slug someone. This, interestingly, is also circumvented in Wonder Woman choices... In addition to being Ms. Israel, she was also in the Israeli army for two years, which is mandatory, but I'll bet she knows how to fight, at least a little bit. That, to me, makes her a better choice than 90% of suggestions. Including my own suggestion... Which would be Missi Pyle. If she got the Man of Steel workout and was shown how to punch... She'd be awesome.

As to the costume, I've learned to trust modern costumers (unless they're also graphic designers [green lantern]). The X-men costumes, the Bat suits, the Thor upgrade, even Captain America's suit. All magically faithful and yet tasteful. I have a feeling it'll reflect thematic style choices of her character, because they've gotten better about that. If they go greek/roman, she'll probably have a greek/roman look. If they go alien, they'll go alien. But function will probably be a large contributing factor, as they've been doing lately. armor when they need it, and no armor when they don't. I'm gonna trust them for the next few years until they break that trust (or reignite green lantern).

SonOfVoorhees:
Imagine the movie will be called Batman and the Justice League.

you're right, they could always just make a live action Justice League: Doom

MovieBob:
... while covertly building nasty stuff (like power-armor) out of salvaged Kryptonian tech and sewing mistrust against Superman...

Sewing mistrust? Does this involve some evil seamstress who strategically puts weak stitching in Superman's costume so that it falls apart at the most embarrassing moments?

movie aside, I can't wait to see all the pre-release interviews with the cast. Where Henry Cavill and Ben Affleck get deep introspective questions about their characters psyches, while Gal Gadot get's asked "now what kind of diet did you go on to fit into the wonder woman outfit"

Personally I agree with Moviebob, I think Wonder WOman might have a bigger role in this movie than I previously thought. Otherwise they might've just had a stand in wear the costume for a post-credits stinger, or else not reveal it at all. About the origin story, I remember hearing that some DC executive said that the whole Greek mythology thing would be too complicated for audiences (which is silly, I mean the 2010 Clash of the Titans made like half a billion dollars, its entire plot was about Greek mythology and nobody would call that movie complicated). So I wouldn't be shocked if it gets changed to some generic alien backstory.

I suppose if they can make Edward Norton look like the Incredible Hulk, they'll find a way to make this little girl look like Wonder Woman.

mjharper:
It would be such a shame if they streamlined Wonder Woman's origin after the New 52 reboot spent so much time giving her not only a different birth, but also a story so much more steeped in Greek mythology than before.

Yes, this is actually the one time I didn't mind the changes made by the reboot. Making WW a demigoddess seems much more in-line with Greek mythology and I think it would be easier to translate to film as well.

TheRightToArmBears:
People seem to be forgetting that actors do actually train for roles. I mean, Tom Hardy as Bane? Edward Norton in American History X? Whilst I'd be surprised if she does as much as the nerdrage demands, I definitely wouldn't take how she looks in F&F as much to go by.

And lets not forget Christian Bale was in the Machinist before Batman Begins.

I think the whole idea about Luthor building business and hatred for "the alien" would do well for the movie. If they want to put Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman into the same movie, they might have to add a bigger enemy. For example, it would be really cool if it was like Villains United in that Lex was behind a group of villains. I think it would even be better if they know that Luthor is behind all the problems but they can't prove it. The chances of this story actually happening is low because I said it on the internet, but one can dream...

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