Copyright Shenanigans

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I wouldn't be surprised if YouTube ends up going the way of MySpace eventually if Google doesn't sort itself out, it's been a fair few weeks and it still won't let me sort through comments left on my videos that have been 'marked as spam', even though at-least half are innocent of the accusation. Frankly I'm surprised none of them have been removed for spurious copyright infringement either, guess the lack of footage I've used has paid off.

Wait, so both of them have to agree before either of them does anything?

JoJo:
I wouldn't be surprised if YouTube ends up going the way of MySpace eventually if Google doesn't sort itself out, it's been a fair few weeks and it still won't let me sort through comments left on my videos that have been 'marked as spam', even if at-least half are innocent of the accusation. Poor show all round.

So what/which alternative should be our alternative to YouTube?

Hopefully Gav doesn't get screwed over himself, so far it just seems to be people using his music who he was perfectly fine letting them use.

Alcom1:

JoJo:
I wouldn't be surprised if YouTube ends up going the way of MySpace eventually if Google doesn't sort itself out, it's been a fair few weeks and it still won't let me sort through comments left on my videos that have been 'marked as spam', even if at-least half are innocent of the accusation. Poor show all round.

So what/which alternative should be our alternative to YouTube?

This is a personal list I've compiled from other people's suggestions, though I haven't had time to check them out yet so I can't vouch for if they're any good or not.

Dailymotion
Vimeo
Twitch.tv
Game Anyone
Blip.tv

The biggest flaw in copyright law was the addition of copyright renewal.

The original intent of copyright law was to prevent hucksters from copying and profiting off of another's work. Not to perpetually lock-down creative concepts so that they can never be expanded upon.

This strip gets a 10/10. I look forward to reworking it in 20 years. ;)

It wouldn't surprise me if the various communities that rely on Youtube just throw their hands up in the air and go somewhere that isn't trying to regulate what is basically impossible with or without the use of technology. Why did YT, as big as they are, think that a "content scanner" is the best solution for regulating uploads and copyright management in the first place? Going to court is something they keep trying to avoid, and at this point it's going to be inevitable just for the sake of precedent. And they know they have to fight for the content holders over the copyright holders over the claim of fair use if they want to continue existing...

As for the breaking up of communities? My guess is that the majority of the gaming community would easily migrate to Twitch, and the bigger and more popular of commentators and LPers would just make their own website, which several have or started working on ever since the Google+ implementation.

Isn't it The Brothers Grimm? as in, two Mm's?

I see what you did there Grey. Alcohol AND potatoes for Gavin, because he's Irish and that's all we survive on.
How fucking dare you.

You left out the wife beating.

EDIT:

Hopefully nobody will misunderstand the joke and sic mods on me, but for the record, I'm Irish and therefore qualified to comment on our intake of carbon based compounds.

Me55enger:
Isn't it The Brothers Grimm? as in, two Mm's?

Grimm, yes. Probably misspelled for copyright reasons too.

Dr.Awkward:
Why did YT, as big as they are, think that a "content scanner" is the best solution for regulating uploads and copyright management in the first place? Going to court is something they keep trying to avoid, and at this point it's going to be inevitable just for the sake of precedent.

It's quite simple really. Youtube bends over backwards for copyright trolls because there's no upside for doing anything else. If Youtube keeps a video up despite some troll asking for it to be taken down, the troll is going to sue them. Which will cost youtube a lot of money, even if they should win. A lot more money than that single video was ever going to make them.
The video creators on the other hand aren't going to sue Youtube. For one, because they don't have a case anyway, Youtube is under no obligation to host their video in the first place. But also, because by the same consideration, starting a lawsuit going to get the video up again is going to cost a lot more money than that video is ever going to make back, not to mention that it can take years.
It's the very definition of legal bullying. Being right or wrong, or what's fair or even legal don't enter into it. The copyright trolls can simply get Youtube to do whatever they want with the mere threat of a lawsuit, because the lawsuit itself is damaging enough to serve as a powerful threat, no matter whether it'd have any chance to succeed or not. It's what happens when legal systems become so corrupted that money rules, not law.

Sheesh, is this argument ever going to end? Or is Youtube so focused on making money that it shills out to the copyright police? I'd boycott the site... but I have a bit of a Youtube addiction... damnit...

MinionJoe:
The biggest flaw in copyright law was the addition of copyright renewal.

The original intent of copyright law was to prevent hucksters from copying and profiting off of another's work. Not to perpetually lock-down creative concepts so that they can never be expanded upon.

This strip gets a 10/10. I look forward to reworking it in 20 years. ;)

That was the second biggest flaw. The biggest flaw was assuming derivative works to be criminal by default, and setting up Fair Use as a special exception to that.

If copyright really cares about protecting the creation of art, then it should be the other way around, all derivative works should be legal unless the first one's publisher can make a claim that it is harming them directly (for example because it is a practically identical copy with nominal changes, interchargible with the first, or because it claims authorship of the first one with plagiarism.

With that, copyright might as well last 200 years, protecting THE ACUAL WORK as a thing, instead of it's "franchise" or "universe" or plot, or sound bites, or screenshots, or costumes, or mechanics, or dialogues.

If you could make a reworking of this comic that adds your own content, you should wait exactly zero days for it, artists should have no business at all stopping other artists from creating other art.

Sad part is the Brothers Grimms works are Public Domain but given how heavily this new setup is being abused it doesn't matter.

It's rather depressing that all this is going on. It won't be long now before Youtube is for nothing but cat videos, fail videos, and cat-fail videos.

And Ray William Johnson. >.>

Yeah, angry joe did a rant earlier this week I think about the youtube copyright claims going out of hand on his own videos. He even had an interview with the Tomb raider developers get a copyright claim by Tomb Raider. Blip.TV works as a good alternative, though it doesn't quite have the same level of organization as youTube does.

Casadechrisso:

Me55enger:
Isn't it The Brothers Grimm? as in, two Mm's?

Grimm, yes. Probably misspelled for copyright reasons too.

i dunno how you think copyright works but the Brothers Grimm have been dead for 150 odd years...

in the UK there's only two written works in the English language that legally have "perpetual copyright"...The Authorized Version of The King James Bible...and Peter Pan...

in the US "perpetual copyright" is specifically prohibited by The Constitution.

Well now is a perfect time for someone else to come around and create a better content streaming site. Just needs to have similar ease of use as youtube.

Copyright law as it stands is a fucking joke esp. considering that these claims have nothing to do with protecting the Intellectual Property and have everything to do with these dickhead companies wanting to ensure that only they can make money from anything remotely related to said Intellectual Property.

Colt47:
Yeah, angry joe did a rant earlier this week I think about the youtube copyright claims going out of hand on his own videos. He even had an interview with the Tomb raider developers get a copyright claim by Tomb Raider.

It has to be stressed at this point that all this is all on Googles head, they have content matching bots running rampant without oversight yet with the power to basically take legal action against everybody, they find a content match and immediately attribute revenue to whichever company is listed under original content.
That is done without consulting the companies, creators or any form of law, yet content creators are then notified that the claim has been made by the company the bots picked out, which is a great deflection from the fact this is done by Google and Google alone.

Not to mention near all these claims are for content that is freely available and protected under fair use law, the only reason it's not illegal is because Youtube is their private domain where they can be pricks all they want.

Mr.K.:

Colt47:
Yeah, angry joe did a rant earlier this week I think about the youtube copyright claims going out of hand on his own videos. He even had an interview with the Tomb raider developers get a copyright claim by Tomb Raider.

It has to be stressed at this point that all this is all on Googles head, they have content matching bots running rampant without oversight yet with the power to basically take legal action against everybody, they find a content match and immediately attribute revenue to whichever company is listed under original content.
That is done without consulting the companies, creators or any form of law, yet content creators are then notified that the claim has been made by the company the bots picked out, which is a great deflection from the fact this is done by Google and Google alone.

Not to mention near all these claims are for content that is freely available and protected under fair use law, the only reason it's not illegal is because Youtube is their private domain where they can be pricks all they want.

Considering who they are annoying, I think this might be even worse than the healthcare government website insanity that happened earlier.

Me55enger:
Isn't it The Brothers Grimm? as in, two Mm's?

Casadechrisso:

Grimm, yes. Probably misspelled for copyright reasons too.

Or as a second meta-joke about how Youtube's current copyright-claims system hardly requires the claimant to provide evidence that they even own the copyright they're knocking a video down over.

OT: Yeah, Google has been incredibly stupid this past year. It almost seems like they're trying to force Youtube into not being the largest video-hosting website on the internet anymore.

in some way, the internet will feel a bit german inside.

as in the gema who blocks about 60% of all videos on youtube because they are greedy little fucks that wont allow us to enjoy music for free.

Alcom1:

So what/which alternative should be our alternative to YouTube?

I know Maker studio(polaris) bought blip so they probably have something planned for the site. Maybe they will try to get their youtube partners to move to blip

JoJo:

This is a personal list I've compiled from other people's suggestions, though I haven't had time to check them out yet so I can't vouch for if they're any good or not.

Dailymotion
Their search function has never been any good and their video quality is ass compared to YouTube. It'll do in a pinch, and in terms of pure purpose it's definitely closer to YouTube than any other, but a better site would definitely be nice.

Vimeo
"No screen-captures of video games or gameplay videos, even if edited. (Exception! Game developers can upload examples of their own work. Machinima videos with a story also are allowed, but must be labeled as such in the video description to avoid deletion.)" In other words, great for non-gaming content, worthless for gaming content. They also have annoying limitations for free users.

Twitch.tv
They don't have any means to upload video files; all content is (or was at time of recording) 100% live. This is no pace for edited content, such as reviews, glitch compilations, etc. It's also gaming-specific; you can't really use it for vlogs, rants, movie reviews... if you have more than just gaming content, it's not really a good fit.

Game Anyone
This site seems decent and has a strong community, but it's pretty much only Let's Play type content. No reviews, no non-gaming content. That said, I could see it easily becoming a haven for the LP community.

Blip.tv
They traffic primarily in episodic content. While some gaming videos qualify, it's a lot harder to stay on there. It might be an okay place for some YouTube peeps, but not most of 'em.



When it comes right down to it, I can't see any one video site taking YouTube's place, even with the direction YT is going right now. Dailymotion is the closest, but they need to get their act together for video quality and better search features.

My prediction: Twitch moves from a streaming focus to a general gaming focus, allowing for live streams AND uploaded content. Combined with the massive publicity they're getting lately anyway, as well as integration with popular games and new consoles, they're in a great position to just steal the gaming market from YouTube. As for non-gaming content, I think it'll end up divided between Blip for the episodic stuff, Vimeo for the more professional but non-episodic content, and Dailymotion for all the stupid random crap.

Of course, if Twitch doesn't do this, the gaming content will no doubt end up divided between Dailymotion and Game Anyone. Sadly, the only one-size-fits-all video host is a bit on the mediocre side, so I don't see anyone TRULY taking YT's place. Oh well.

P.S. Thanks

I really don't get what either YouTube or publishers get out of this, in the best case scenario instead of watching a let's play one guy will buy the game, in the worst case scenario many people stop buying your products because their favourite lets player has to get a job and can't make as many videos.

Against my better judgment I have considered making a let's play, but now I'm starting to wonder or there is a point if all of my effort can be deleted if I accidentally offend the copyright gods.

Colt47:
Yeah, angry joe did a rant earlier this week I think about the youtube copyright claims going out of hand on his own videos. He even had an interview with the Tomb raider developers get a copyright claim by Tomb Raider. Blip.TV works as a good alternative, though it doesn't quite have the same level of organization as youTube does.

Yeah I saw that video as well. How can you file a claim against an interview? While I can almost understand these companies trying to oppose the LP vids, ALMOST mind you, I can't see what they hope to accomplish knocking every kind of review or critic site. Maybe it's similar to that demo thread not long ago. They don't want anyone to get influenced about their game outside of the hype they produce with commercials and trailers. Or are these guy mad that someone is making a profit off said review and criticism. It's not like they're raking in millions off their work. I think it's like Rich from Review Tech said; our copyright system is kinda wonky. This in itself more than enough proof. The question is how do we get the ball rolling?

Arawn:
Yeah I saw that video as well. How can you file a claim against an interview? While I can almost understand these companies trying to oppose the LP vids, ALMOST mind you, I can't see what they hope to accomplish knocking every kind of review or critic site. Maybe it's similar to that demo thread not long ago. They don't want anyone to get influenced about their game outside of the hype they produce with commercials and trailers. Or are these guy mad that someone is making a profit off said review and criticism. It's not like they're raking in millions off their work. I think it's like Rich from Review Tech said; our copyright system is kinda wonky. This in itself more than enough proof. The question is how do we get the ball rolling?

The videos aren't getting taken off YouTube, they're losing their monetization. And most of the claims aren't actually being filed by companies that own any relevant rights, but by random jerks trying to steal other people's ad revenue.

P.S. Thanks

He says it best. I especially like the bit where it turns out the companies who make these games have nothing to do with it. Youtube its just being assholes.

RJ 17:

It's rather depressing that all this is going on. It won't be long now before Youtube is for nothing but cat videos, fail videos, and cat-fail videos.

And Ray William Johnson. >.>

This is one of the funniest things I ever watched! Thanks for finding it! I'm amazed YT even allowed that. I now want to subscribe to help that guy achieve his dream to BECOME FAMOUS!

OT: I'd like to hear from Gavin about this issue, if Grey is gonna name drop him.

LordLundar:
Sad part is the Brothers Grimms works are Public Domain but given how heavily this new setup is being abused it doesn't matter.

The joke is very strange as the Brothers Grimm just collected folk tales, they didn't create any new content...and of course The Goose that Laid the Golden Eggs is one of Aesop's fables.

For fuck's sake: What Google is doing has nothing to do with copyright. The courts confirmed that the original Youtube copyright enforcement model was perfectly legal. This is entirely them fucking over content creators because they decided it was more profitable.

JoJo:
I wouldn't be surprised if YouTube ends up going the way of MySpace eventually if Google doesn't sort itself out, it's been a fair few weeks and it still won't let me sort through comments left on my videos that have been 'marked as spam', even though at-least half are innocent of the accusation. Frankly I'm surprised none of them have been removed for spurious copyright infringement either, guess the lack of footage I've used has paid off.

I wonder, is there any drawback of going into full troll mode and start reporting every youtube video and comment?
I'm really tempted to do so.

Just saw Angry Joe's video.... dude, it hit home with his points.

How unfair is it that you cannot contact anyone at Youtube? No one you can really address this issue to? How no one at Youtube's office will answer your phone calls and never reply to your e-mails? Is this what we're okay with in the year 2013, about to become 2014?

Even a 10 second clip of a trailer can get your video with over three million views flagged and removed. Just, why? Why Youtube??!
Angry Joe does everything legal. He always has bought his products and made sure to never disrespect companies. Heck, the Tomb Raider company was perfectly okay with everything Joe did. But Youtube screwed him over anyways because.... copyright over retarded 10 second clips or background music... on reviews.

If Youtube doesn't get it's act together, they'll end up like MySpace. Another website will take over I am calling it now even if it's not until a few years. People don't sit idly by and tolerate this god awful bullcrap.

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