The Big Picture: MovieBob's Best of 2013

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Strain42:
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Its a bit different tho, jim's game of the year awards didn't put them in any order.. he said so himself. Just 5 best games of the year.
Pacific rim hardly belongs on the list.

shrekfan246:

Strain42:

I mean heck, Jim Sterling gave his number 1 game of the year to The Stanley Parable. I think it's perfectly fair to give your number 1 slot to something you personally enjoyed the most, regardless of whether or not it was actually the best.

I think you misinterpreted what Jim was doing. He wasn't counting down to his Game of the Year, he was giving out five separate Games of the Year.

I'm aware of it, but even if he didn't do what he did last year which was give out 4 "Game of the year" awards and one "TOP Game of the year" award on Friday, I'd be willing to bet there's a reason why he saved the Stanley Parable for last that falls beyond mere coincidence (the only reason I could think of that falls beyond his personal preference and randomization is he could have done them alphabetically, since they do seem to fall that way if you ignore him committing the sin of counting "the" when organizing alphabetically)

(sorry for the double post)

Delcast:

Strain42:
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Its a bit different tho, jim's game of the year awards didn't put them in any order.. he said so himself. Just 5 best games of the year.

That doesn't matter. Since you've already stated Pacific Rim "hardly belongs on the list" you're already saying whether Pacific Rim was 1, 5, or even 10 it shouldn't be there at all. Jim's awards may have been in no particular order, but it's still basically a top 5 list.

For example, I personally thought The Stanley Parable was boring as ass and doesn't deserve a game of the year award, much less the top one (which I know he said they weren't in any order but unless he was just going alphabetically or randomly I assume there was some reason why he gave it the Friday show) But it doesn't matter what my opinion is because I'm not Jim Sterling, and my opinion means nothing when it comes to the Jim Sterling Awards for best games of 2013.

This video was called "MovieBob's Best of 2013." as in a subjective list of the ones he liked the best. And he liked Pacific Rim best.

Delcast:
Pacific rim hardly belongs on the list.

And since as previously stated this is a completely subjective list based on the person who made it, you don't really get to make that call. You can disagree with it, go right ahead, but it's not up to you to decide if it should be there or not.

If you wanna make a Delcast's Best of 2013 and not include Pacific Rim, feel free. I will respect your opinion (and no sarcasm, I am curious what your #1 choice would be)

And if you were curious, the Strain42's Best of 2013 would be quite different from Bob's but just because he included films I didn't like or left our films I did, it's not really up to me to say what should and shouldn't be on MovieBob's list.

Scarim Coral:
Also I be suprise if Man of Steel does not show up in next week episode given how much Bob loathe that film

Calling it now - Man of Steel will be his top rated worst movie. That or Smurfs 2.

Sir Shockwave:

Scarim Coral:
Also I be suprise if Man of Steel does not show up in next week episode given how much Bob loathe that film

Calling it now - Man of Steel will be his top rated worst movie. That or Smurfs 2.

seeing how much he has been hating on Into Darkness, I think that one will be at the top.

So next week we're going to hear Bob bitch about Man of Steel again? Yippee.

I haven't seen Pain & Gain, I actually consciously avoided it, so that was my shock entry for this list. But Pacific Rim!? Hell fucking yeah! I literally went all emoticon :O when that one popped-out! Most people don't get it, some think they're over it, but as a piece of action geek filmmaking, it's pure joy. I'm gonna watch it again!

Strain42:

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Ok true, it is simply personal preference, however he did organize them in such way. Instead Jim in the first episode detailed that it was not ordained in any particular order ( and repeated it in the next episodes ). It is kind of pointless anyway, since he himself recognizes it's probably not the best yet still put it there, it's already a bit of a troll from him.

However just for the sake of discussion, I find it a bit pointless to advocate that, because its not mine you cant complain. after all I am not a mass communicator. If I had that position I'd be more inclined to search for more "objective" reasoning behind my preferences. And a more coherent, less wanton predilection. Of course he is "free" and we are all equally "free" to do whatever we want.
So why are we even discussing...I forgot.

My list of 2013.. I don't know. Maybe "before midnight". Rather simple, but very effective.

Well... that was unconventional and likely not resembling my own at all (still putting the pieces together personally), but you make a compelling argument for each film. So, I don't have anything to complain about. Valid list is valid.

WHAT?! PACIFIC RIM?! MOVIE OF THE YEAR?!

I've lost ALL faith in you Bob. I can understand fanboyism placing it in at least a good position...but movie of the year? I cant take anything you say seriously anymore. How can a movie with such cringe be movie of the year? Badass robots is NOT ENOUGH! It was pretty awesome when Superman fought for the first time in Man of Steel as well and that was still a fucking awful movie.

Honestly. I dont know what to say. I am disappointed.

Moviebob, we need to talk.

I like you; I trust you as a critic; I'm not one of those people who watches you primarily to hate on everything you say or do. But you are wrong about Pacific Rim.

I urge you, I beg you to go back and watch it with less clouded eyes. As you say in your baggage episode any number of things can cloud a critics vision with regard to this film, in this case you imply in other episodes that a lot of large blockbusters (Man of Steel; star trek into darkness) were duds this year, and I worry pacific Rim looks better by comparison. You also freely admit that you wanted to like it because it was doing something new.

But seriously rewatch it. Rewatch the tired comic-relief-scientist cliches. Rewatch the deus-ex-machina filled fight sequences(oh we have a sword). Rewatch the tired romances. The convoluted hard to follow fight scenes.

I couldn't believe my eyes when the showing of this I went to was in X-wide; Maybe Scope or iMax versions are available, but for fight scenes designed to have this epic sense of scale I found myself bored and unable to tell what was going on.

Not to mention the strange problems with the logistics of this future world; which makes it inherently harder to care about it. "Oh the Kaigu attack but we still had the time money and resources to put together super-hologram computer systems whilst also building giant mecha's and the ridiculous brain technology they work on." Or the entire world forgetting that a seawall is a REALLY REALLY dumb idea.

The monsters are all indistinguishable, we're told they are different 'levels' but are never given any context for this. At one point one of them pulls an EMP out of it's butt which is then immediately forgotten about.

But what I hate most about this film is how humanity win; I don't want to route for the guys who magically manage to drop a nuke behind their opponents and scamper away; that is not an epic victory. That is a sly backstabbing victory that just feels awkward and wrong. Now don't get me wrong some underhand tactics are all very interesting but that doesn't feel like the ending to a massive blockbuster. I would rather have had an awkward sequel hook in which the main plot was just setting up a return of the Jaigas over the seawall, than this drab idea for an ending.

Okay rant over. I'm not asking you to change your list as it's only your opinion at one time, but please go back and rewatch this film on another day to see if it hold up. I personally don't think it will.

Thanks for taking the time to read this,
k

Gxas:

chiggerwood:
I cannot disagree with MovieBob any more than when it comes to Only God Forgives. How anyone can put that disjointed poorly directed, overwrought mess on even a runners up list is a mystery to me. The rest of the list was fine, but seriously, Only God Forgives?

I haven't seen it, but I've heard wonderful things about it from critics all over.

That being said, anyone who saw it who wasn't a critic absolutely HATED it.

Probably some disconnect in what is being looked at as "good".

OT: Can't disagree with the list from what I saw this year, still trying to play catch-up though.

I'm not a critic and I loved it. It has a dreamy atmosphere, dark tones with critiques on culture, and some great acting. It LOOKS like a movie about criminals, but it's something else entirely. It's truly great.

That said, I can see how people would dislike it, as it is very vague, dreamy, and symbolic all the way through. I feel that subtlety is something lost on the audience of today, and this movie is subtle as hell. It's ending is open to interpretation, which bugs so many people.(I have no clue why, when does life give you definites.) I recommend watching it regardless to see if you like it.

....I'm waiting on the punchline for him marking Pacific Rim as number one.

Seriously? Gravity was let down by its characterisation but Pacific Rim gets through unscathed? Did we see the same film?

I actually agreed with Bob's number one last year, but that film was The Avengers and that film is more than mindless comic book violence, it has good characters and interactions and context to the cathartic comic book violence. I don't see how Pacific Rim is the same.

Edit:

kumquatlich:

*shortened for brevity*

Thanks for taking the time to read this,
k

Ninja'd me, but only because I took too long.

Lol! Pacific Rim is the best movie? Sure, giant robot and kaiju is impressive but the plot holes of that movie and the pacing feels like I'm watching Tranformers 2 and 3.

Seriously, *SPOILERS* Why the hell the giant robot didn't use the sword earlier and use that useless ship instead? Oh, and the whole thing can be much easier if they use projectile weapon instead of using their complicated fist, but nope, use fist is much more "badass" I guess. Even the final climax feels like The Independence Day when I expecting a monstrous kaiju badass fight.

Here I was confusing with the hate of people with The Hobbit, Desolation of Smaug.

I thought Pacific Rim was terrible. Sure the 2nd big monster fight in the city is great stuff. But one good scene doesn't make up for horrible acting, and an even more horrible script. The writing is so bad in that movie, its often cringe worthy. That and the finally wasn't really good at all for an action set piece.

TheMemoman:
I haven't seen Pain & Gain, I actually consciously avoided it, so that was my shock entry for this list. But Pacific Rim!? Hell fucking yeah! I literally went all emoticon :O when that one popped-out! Most people don't get it, some think they're over it, but as a piece of action geek filmmaking, it's pure joy. I'm gonna watch it again!

Pain and Gain is cool if you like GTA (for the satire at least) or something, you are shown a terrible story (as in bad morals) about terrible people but its from their perspective so it will try to convince you that they are right (the movie knows it and unless you are weak of mind you will never be rooting for them even if it seems like the movie wants you to, it doesnt).

For that alone it does create a somewhat original take on a somewhat familiar story (even if the story is based on real events that even manage to be more twisted then the ones on the movie). A lot of people felt that the movie was offensive as it portrayed the criminals as "good" but of the entire movie there really is only one good guy and the movie knows it by shitting all over the criminals ideals and making fun of how retarded excuses of space they were.

Its actually a movie that will make you think about how you feel in regards to what you just saw.

Well okay, it's Bob's list and he said to prepare for surprises and that it was merely his opinion now, but he still gives Spring Breakers way way WAY too much credit. Once you know to expect a subversive commentary on the spring break phenomenon, you realize that the movie has nothing else going for it. It's a 90-minute music video with some nice performances, but it blows its load 15 minutes in and Lonely Island did everything it did in 2 and a half minutes, but a lot funnier, more exciting and wittier.

I mean how boring is the film when not even a threesome in a pool can get me excited?

As for other entries,

- Pacific Rim is far from a movie of the year candidate for me, but I'll let Bob's nerd fanboyism run rampant on this one.
- Was surprised to see Only God Forgives on the runners-up considering the kicking it's received from critics and audiences alike.
- I'll maybe have to see Pain & Gain just to figure out what the hell Bob considers to be so good about it. Mark Kermode rated it one of the worst films of the year.

I haven't heard of most of the movies within your list. I plan to see the Hobbit and Anchorman 2 at some point over my break, but were some of these foreign or "indie" films?

I doubt that most of these movies are as terrible as everyone says. They might not be the best movies, but they sure are not the worst movies. No living being will ever be able to make a movie worse than Coleman Francis could.

This reminded me to finally watch Spring Breakers. Turned out to be kinda bullshit. Oh well.

Was also surprised to see Pacific Rim as high as #1.

About 95% of the time I know exactly if I'll like a movie based on Bob's reviews. Recently found that it's not always the case with Elysium but hey, 95% is pretty good. Guessed 6 movies on this list right and even though I had little hope it would be in there, I'm thrilled Blue is the Warmest Color made it! Beautiful story and some of the best acting I've ever seen. Together with Gravity and Spring Breakers that's my top 3 I think.

Earthfield:
Wow, seeing Iron Man 3 as a runner up was really surprising, but I felt a bit left behind considering a couple of those movies weren't reviewed in Escape to the Movies. Oh, I know some of them are mentioned in depht in Intermission, but still, feels kinda weird to see movies in the list that didn't get the usual review.

I'm still waiting for You're Next since in my country wasn't released on Cinemas, I'm hoping for a domectic version by February.

EDIT: WAIT! Elysium didn't even appear or was it my imagination?

Did Bob review Elysium? I forgot.
Yup http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/7899-Elysium
And he liked it.
Funny about that. As he said this is his list it stands now. Maybe it didn't age well for him.

Zhukov:
Pacific Rim... yeah... no.

I thoroughly enjoyed the monster punching bits, but they were a tiny fraction of the movie. The rest was cliche, one-note characters spouting painfully trite dialogue at one another.

You know I really enjoyed the movie, even bought the 3D version after seeing it in the theater, but I've got to agree with you. It's a pretty much a by the numbers script.

Hero screws up and loses someone they care about in the process. Hero then drops out of life and pretty much drifts till he/she gets recruited to save the day. Hero is shakey at first but regains former form through either the faith in him by a dieing mentor or the faith in him from a reluctant love interest, maybe even both. Hero uses hard one information gained by a side character's sacrifice to dig down deep and overcome self doubts due to previous failure. Hero wins the day and the love of the love interest. Fade to black as we see hero and love interest share an intimate moment.

Yup, that's by the numbers in my book. It did do what it did well, but it was pretty cliched in the process. It should of been more of a middle of the pack movie. Maybe Bob is a secret Sons of Anarchy fan.

I knew more of the runner up movies than I did of the actual top ten, as well as saw more of those movies. Most of Bob's top ten were movies that I have no desire to see. They are not my type.

The exceptions were Frozen (go see this now, people. Why have you not seen it yet? MOVE IT!) and Pacific Rim.

Epic_Bubble:
I would of liked to see Frozen be a bit more higher especially as the only animation but also because its so revolutionary for Disney but at the same time being so restrained in Disney fashion.

Its a stunning animation and does highlight that Disney can still create great fairytails.

I don't get where people get this is some big revolution for Disney or some big one-eighty. Haven't they seen Tangled or Wreck-it-Ralph?

I cannot wait to see wolf of wall street!
It looks hilarious.

The World's End was the best comedy AND action movie this year. It doesn't hurt that a Jackie Chan movie choreographer was on board, and there's a specific Drunken Master 2 reference.
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Smart, emotional, poignant, and still has that trademark Edgar Wright snappy dialogue/transitions. All the pub names are allusions to what's happening in the story. Plus, it has tons of commentaries on the blu ray, so you'll want to keep this. One cool insight that might have been missed is things like Gary King's tape being stuck in the car for so many years is pretty much like his life being stuck in the past.

Just fucking get to it, if you somehow still haven't seen it.
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Gezzer:
Did Bob review Elysium? I forgot.
Yup http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/7899-Elysium
And he liked it.
Funny about that. As he said this is his list it stands now. Maybe it didn't age well for him.

Apparently so, but it's weird, I thought this would be one of the few to survive the test of time, funny how thing goes.

Jasper van Heycop:

Epic_Bubble:
I would of liked to see Frozen be a bit more higher especially as the only animation but also because its so revolutionary for Disney but at the same time being so restrained in Disney fashion.

Its a stunning animation and does highlight that Disney can still create great fairytails.

I don't get where people get this is some big revolution for Disney or some big one-eighty. Haven't they seen Tangled or Wreck-it-Ralph?

Yes, and those are great as well, but a lot of people feel Frozen solidifies Disney's 'new renaissance,' as opposed to just having a couple flukes.

Europa Report > Gravity
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Especially if you're into space, the wonder of science, and hard sci fi. No compromises unlike what Cuaron clearly admitted to because apparently any researched science is antithetical to moviemaking where shit needs to go dramatic every 5 min and characters need to act really fucking dumb to move the plot forward. Oh boy.

chiggerwood:

Actually there's quite a few critics that hated it (it has a metacritic score of 39), some even went as far as asking if the director's previous effort, Drive, was a fluke. And no drive wasn't a fluke it was just a continuation of a pattern for the director of good movie, bad movie, good movie, bad movie. Nicolas Winding Refn made Bronson which was good, then he made Valhalla Rising, which was an inexcusably tediously boring movie that had no right to be boring. I mean it was a movie about Vikings fighting Indians for fucks sake, but the director managed to make something only slightly more interesting than paint drying. Then came Drive which was good, then he made Only God Forgives, which was an inexcusably tediously boring movie that had no right to be boring. I mean it was a movie about a psychotic druglord mother who was trying to get unjustified revenge for the murder of her psychotic rapist son, who she was fucking, but the director managed to make something only slightly more interesting than watching grass grow. So yeah his next movie should be really good. Sorry for the rabbit trail.

lol Valhalla Rising was not about that...at all.

It was about Odin/One Eye leading the Christians to not the Promised Land but to hell/the new world and to see them completely lose their minds. Kinda like Aguirre, that Herzog movie. How religious fundamentalism can be your destroyer. And the true sacrifice a hero must make. I would liken the mood to a psychedelic horror, which you don't get often. The scene where they trip out is awesome.

It's a great audiovisual experience. One of my favourite movies, and actually got me into Refn.
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Also, some of the most brutal violence I've seen like the fight and the disembowelling scene.
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Bob, this is easily the greatest video you have ever released on the Escapist.

For one, I agree with you for the most part. That alone doesn't happen very often. I'm probably going to disagree with large sections of your Worst Of 2013 list, but for now, good movies, hell yeah.

And the second reason is the sheer amount of mad your #1 is causing in these comments right now.

The only thing better than a fantastic movie that you love is the idea that really really silly people are upset about it.

Icing on the giant robot cake.

Moeez:

chiggerwood:

Actually there's quite a few critics that hated it (it has a metacritic score of 39), some even went as far as asking if the director's previous effort, Drive, was a fluke. And no drive wasn't a fluke it was just a continuation of a pattern for the director of good movie, bad movie, good movie, bad movie. Nicolas Winding Refn made Bronson which was good, then he made Valhalla Rising, which was an inexcusably tediously boring movie that had no right to be boring. I mean it was a movie about Vikings fighting Indians for fucks sake, but the director managed to make something only slightly more interesting than paint drying. Then came Drive which was good, then he made Only God Forgives, which was an inexcusably tediously boring movie that had no right to be boring. I mean it was a movie about a psychotic druglord mother who was trying to get unjustified revenge for the murder of her psychotic rapist son, who she was fucking, but the director managed to make something only slightly more interesting than watching grass grow. So yeah his next movie should be really good. Sorry for the rabbit trail.

lol Valhalla Rising was not about that...at all.

It was about Odin/One Eye leading the Christians to not the Promised Land but to hell/the new world and to see them completely lose their minds. Kinda like Aguirre, that Herzog movie. How religious fundamentalism can be your destroyer. And the true sacrifice a hero must make. I would liken the mood to a psychedelic horror, which you don't get often. The scene where they trip out is awesome.

It's a great audiovisual experience. One of my favourite movies, and actually got me into Refn.
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Also, some of the most brutal violence I've seen like the fight and the disembowelling scene.
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Actually(taken from IMDB) "The genesis of the film comes from the discovery of a mysterious pile of runes near Delaware. There was been much speculation as to how they got there so far inland so the film seeks to provide an answer of some sort to that." And there might be that subtext, but I'm not going to care and I am going to continue holding onto the literal story due to the fact that the movie is such a boring as hell slog that it quite frankly doesn't deserve any deeper reading. Yeah it is a visual treat, and there are a couple of good and interesting scenes, but they can be counted on one hand. visual panache and style is not a substitute for an actual substantial movie. If you can do both that's great, but if you only have the visual panache then you are going to look pretentious. And if you are right about the subtext, which yeah I can see it, then that makes it even worse, because that means Nicolas Refn made a movie about a Norse god leading people to hell and it was, still. Fucking. Boring.

Obviously this is MovieBob's subjective favourites of the year, and I am definitely not saying that he's 'wrong' about any of these films.

However, in my opinion, some of the films chosen were terrible. To start with, I did not care for Pain & Gain. I went in with reasonably high hopes, at the least expecting it to be an enjoyable bit of nonsense. I just found it really difficult to get into though. I can maybe see how people could enjoy it for what it was, but I wasn't one of them.

The other film that would definitely not be making it anywhere near my personal Top Films of the Year list is Spring Breakers. I went in with pretty high expectations actually; I'd heard good things about it and really wanted to see it for myself. I hated it. I get what it was trying to do, but it just did absolutely nothing for me. Maybe it didn't help that I'm not American, so I don't really get the concept of Spring Break, but I just could not get into it. To me, it feels like one of those films where it's whole selling point is the subversive element, but if that doesn't hook you then the film doesn't really have anything going for it.

Other than that, I definitely want to see Frozen and The Wolf of Wall Street at some point.

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