Zero Punctuation: Tomb Raider: Underworld

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Vlane:
Pretty good review to be honest but I still don't understand the "Lara == Bong" comparison.

I think it was meant to assume that the bulge at the bottom of the bong was her ass, but it would've looked like a really weird bong if it was just flat one side:P

Good video, though not as funny as the older ones, I still agreed with yahtzee. All the gameplay is copied from earlier games (thankfully i never bought any of them but still borrowed them from a friend). All the stuff you're told to do makes no sense. I can't believe people are giving out about the fact that Yahtzee's videos aren't as funny as they used to be. Despite the fact that he says he's a reviewer, he's also a comedian and all great comedians run low on material from time to time. (Not that this video is the case, because I found it pretty funny)

I've been thinking most of what you've just said for a long time, I just haven't been able to put it into words. Thank you for consolidating my opinion, and for perhaps enlightening one or more Zero Punctuation fanatics who would otherwise be stuck in a never-ending loop of blind submission to Mr. Croshaw.

I have to agree with newclassic. Yahzee is slowing down. Atleast the newest review felt more like an angry rant instead of "hilariously cutting". It hardly had anything to do with the game except for the 8 second line about someone being sort of dead or something. After watching I did not know what's wrong with it, except that obsessively competitive bordeline psychopath character is not likable and her adversary is or atleast is not as much unlikable. If game needs to be verbally assassinated(they mostly do) it should be like yahzee used to do it, piss-your-pants funny!

First miss, that's my opinion!

Sabbad:
Lol, what do we think - did NewClassic really write that in six minutes, or did he prepare it in advance, deciding he was going to dislike the video review before he saw it anyway?

Knowing NC like I do, I'd say it is entirely possible for him to have wrote that in 6 minutes, he has a monitor for a head.

101998:
Yahtzee is the Jezza of Video Games.

Jezza is the Jezza of Video Games. http://www.australiangamer.com/news/1510_jeremy_clarkson_declares_videogames_the_answer_to_world_peace.html

Although not as 'laugh out loud' as ZP used to be, I still enjoy it more so than most things I watch.

Though I agree with some of the points NewClassic makes (the music clips before/after the video did add a lot), I have to disagree on the point about imbalance between review and jokes. I have played most of the games reviewed in Zero Punctuation and I'd say that, more often than not, Yahtzee presents a quite complete picture of the game. What's more, he usually manages to emphasize on points that others would miss - I found myself saying "Good thing someone else noticed!" more than once.

In conclusion, I'd say that if there is an overly-big reliance on jokes lately, it is more of the games' fault for not being good enough, which could be the start of a (long) discussion on whether Yahtzee deliberately reviews bad games, or are bad games the norm nowadays and it's not his fault.

I still enjoy the series, not out of any kind of devotion or anything, but because Yahtzee usually says what I'm thinking.

Hm. Somebody has been toiling away for a while now on their rant. Sad that it can be entirely refuted so easily: "ZP is entertainment, and it seems be succeeding in its objective, considering that the number of views keeps going up each week."

I really tire of the solopsistic nature of many of the whiners who post in the comments. I'm sorry that you feel that ZP has changed, or that it isn't 'as good as it used to be', or it became something different. However, that's a "you problem". I come here to laugh at the pithy and outrageous comments, and the videos still achieve that objective for me-- and the numbers would seem to argue that I'm not alone in that opinion.

This week, I particularly liked the bit about the 'extremely flat stripper pole', and thought that the observation that the supposed villians are basically doing what Lara is doing, just getting there first was insightful.

Oh, and bonus points for the sixer of Strongbow for the Kraken's housewarming party.

NewClassic:
tl;dr
I don't like watching ZP any more *sob* *sob*
so I'm going to get all philosophical on you guys about something that is just mindless fun

stop watching/watch something else?

"...shorter than a documentary on French war heroes..." That bit made me laugh pretty hard.

Good review, pretty much explains why I haven't played a Tomb Raider game since TR2. As Yahtzee says, it's the same game, over and over and over and over and over and...

The "Oooh look, a penny *SCHLORP*" just made my day.

I'm still giggling like a school girl. Thank you.

"Being a spider rocks"

That was hilarious! Best one in a good while. Must pick up Trunderworld and add it to my cave.

ive lost faith in humanity too, but that was years ago, now i just stay in my room like a sad little hermit watching your vids XDD
i still like tomb raider, but i think thats because i still have memorys of my mum kicking ass on the old versions, and i wish she could start playing them again, but she doesnt like the new moves :(

GIdub:

NewClassic:
tl;dr
I don't like watching ZP any more *sob* *sob*
so I'm going to get all philosophical on you guys about something that is just mindless fun

stop watching/watch something else?

The constant stream of ZP watchers who assault the otherwise peaceful forums every wednesday make it hard to ignore the effects of ZP. That and those of us who have been following for awhile, like all longtime fans of anything, are sad when things appear to be getting staid and samey when they were once fresh and exciting.

Very amusing. I was happy it was a game review this time.

PedroSteckecilo:

GIdub:

NewClassic:
tl;dr
I don't like watching ZP any more *sob* *sob*
so I'm going to get all philosophical on you guys about something that is just mindless fun

stop watching/watch something else?

The constant stream of ZP watchers who assault the otherwise peaceful forums every wednesday make it hard to ignore the effects of ZP. That and those of us who have been following for awhile, like all longtime fans of anything, are sad when things appear to be getting staid and samey when they were once fresh and exciting.

THANK you Pedro. I wanted to jump all over this comment, but I knew I couldn't do it positively (ESPECIALLY with that ridiculous 'tl;dr' comment). Some new people just don't get it. But you, sir Pedro (Yeah, I totally knighted you), are the calming voice of...calm.

Eh, I see what NC's saying, and I would certainly love Yahtzee to use some of the old-fashioned esoteric vocabulary and surprising intelligence present in the classics, but Hell, it's still funny.
I still look forward to every Wednesday.

God knows if he is right or not, I havent played a Tomb Raider game sence the original playstation. But with even the games with that system were very similer to what he is saying.

i remember the days when these games use to be good...=[

Why do I have the feeling that NewClassic just copypasted his post, because it's hard to believe he watched a 5 minute review AND managed to write a post this long?

Admittedly, this video seems to like it's using a lot of "too obvious" jokes, and he manages to completely dodge the game review. Entirely. (Okay, maybe he touches on it a little, but for the length of the video, it's largely sketch comedy.)

This is one of the last paragraphs of the rant. How can you know if this video is using a lot of "too obvious jokes" if you, with any luck and super-human reflexes, would have finished watching the review the second you started writing a post? And that's, again, assuming you did watch it before you posted.

Want better reviews? Find him better games that come out in Australia. Or buy and send him one.

Also, I find it strange that someone is saying that "a review is getting staid and samey" when Yahtzee is reviewing a Tomb Raider game when the last one was merely a year and a half ago. If anything, the game is "staid and samey".

Kudos to Yahtzee on giving us all of the bosom humor we were dined in his review of Tomb Raider Anniversary as well as some new bits - "Being a spider rocks!" made me giggle.

And Kudos to NewClassic for an interesting and well-delivered counterpoint to the mindless fanboyism that these threads usually devolve into. I don't necessarily see anything wrong with Yahtzee leaning more towards humor than reviews, but then again I'm the kind of person who can watch the sketches of Monty Python's "Owl-Stretching Time" episode and laugh myself breathless every single time I see them.

good review

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Baby Tea:
THANK you Pedro. I wanted to jump all over this comment, but I knew I couldn't do it positively (ESPECIALLY with that ridiculous 'tl;dr' comment). Some new people just don't get it. But you, sir Pedro (Yeah, I totally knighted you), are the calming voice of...calm.

If I "don't get it", why don't you expand on it for me, then.
As said, that convoluted-rant is just much too full of itself - it's like writing a Michelin guide on a hamburger.

PedroSteckecilo:

The constant stream of ZP watchers who assault the otherwise peaceful forums every wednesday make it hard to ignore the effects of ZP. That and those of us who have been following for awhile, like all longtime fans of anything, are sad when things appear to be getting staid and samey when they were once fresh and exciting.

For starters just because people don't frequent the forum doesn't mean they aren't long time viewers too.
Anyways, you can't at all expect people not to comment like I just did. Posting your opinions in that fashion smack bang into a ZP episode thread is asking for trouble. Much smarter would have been to make another thread.
Posting his "views" like this, borders on trolling in my opinion. Sure post your views in your blog, as a story or in another thread, or what ever - but choosing this thread is just bad form.

Alone the fact that you are a long-time viewer of ZP would indicate that maybe this "samey" feeling you're getting is precisely gained from watching ZP for too long?
I've watched every ZP since Yahtzee threw them up on YT too, and I don't at all share you're feelings about the show. Sure some episodes are better than others... but that' bound to be the case. And if I did, I sure wouldn't choose a ZP episode to approach that matter.

People always know better - just that it's never the ones doing it.
If you really are getting tired of ZP, stop watching it. Dropping numbers in viewers are surely more of an incentive for anyone to change the show rather than an ill-placed rant like NewClassic's.

I didn't think they made these anymore. Hasn't every single game bombed horribly? How do these people keep getting money?

Not bad, I was really hoping for Gears though.

101998:
Yahtzee is the Jezza of Video Games.

Jezza is the Jezza of Video Games. http://www.australiangamer.com/news/1510_jeremy_clarkson_declares_videogames_the_answer_to_world_peace.html
[/quote]

Great article, thanks for the link. <3 Jezza

solidstatemind:
Hm. Somebody has been toiling away for a while now on their rant. Sad that it can be entirely refuted so easily: "ZP is entertainment, and it seems be succeeding in its objective, considering that the number of views keeps going up each week."

Basically yes.

ZP is entertainment, and it is entertaining. People are still watching it and people still like it. So I really don't get Newclassics complaint. Can someone break it down for me?

Nice review!

I've been watching ZP for ages, but 2 day's ago I saw Charlie Brookers Screenwipe and any fan of ZP should watch this. It's like ZP but for TV, and like ZP it's seriously underrated, go youtube it!

So right now we're at the point where people are going "I liked ZP before it got (more) popular", yes?

I mean seriously the game itself is badly repetitive and he's also pointed out a good point about Lara not exactly being a great protagonist (which is something a person with writing experience would gravitate towards discovering)

I'm not saying all disagreements with the more recent ZP eps are wrong, and I'm not saying Yahtzee is the critical version of Jesus Christ, but I am saying we may need to just remind ourselves it's just a show and we should really just relax.

Wouldukindly:
"I'm MR BRAIN HAT" made my day.

Yes, that was brilliant.

Also, NewClassic's review just seemed shoehorned (I know it was. It'd be nigh on impossible to write all that and slip in the images in six minutes, and contains only one explicit mention of Tomb Raider). He probably wrote it after the Escapist Show came out so he knew it would be about Tomb Raider. Frankly, I think he was attempting to respond to prior reviews as compared to the Tomb Raider: Underworld, but needed a fresh review in order to make his point heard (which he accomplished, kudos to him). I'd say this ZP was a step back towards that original funny. That said, I have noticed that stagnating over the course of the run. But hey, that's a problem with writing the same thing over and over, inspiration starts to drain out of you. It's a common problem, and there's lots of ways to handle it. Most shows hire new talent or just work through it. Ricky Gervais purposely limited The Office and [/i]Extras[/i] to two seasons specifically because he knew he couldn't go for an extended run. Ronald D. Moore for Battlestar Galactica set down four seasons (I've heard he shot for five) as the complete arc. ZP doesn't have a storyline, so there's no readily handy point for Yahtzee to get off. He either has to keep going (I imagine it's steady money) or just end it (one Wednesday we wake up to find out it's over). It all depends on which one you'd rather see, I guess. Some lukewarm ZPs for every one great hilarious review, or no ZP at all.

I haven't played any Titties Mcgiggles games since I think about the third one, I think because three boobies though 50% more boobies it just too much.

Maybe the developers need to have a 'break' from her for a few years and actually come up with something entertaining, that way we have a chance to miss her boobies and they have enough time to think of something good for her to do.

Yahtzee, you ought to tree Tomb Raider Legend. It was actually surprisingly good, and I don't remember the camera being nearly as irritating as it was in Underworld demo. It also might make Underworld make more sense.

HobbesMkii:

Wouldukindly:
"I'm MR BRAIN HAT" made my day.

Yes, that was brilliant.

That, and the "HAR HAR HAR".

Anything more than a handfull is a waste? To hell with Yahtzee he has clearly gone insane.

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