Jimquisition: Joy Begets Anger

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Joy Begets Anger

Anger, allegedly, begets anger. However, that's just a fraction of what can make gamers angry. Nowadays, you can't even be happy without it pissing someone off, and it's a damn sad time for all.

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Quick question Jim, how do you and your wife know that Mr. Dafoe actually signed that?

Miniature fantasy will always been better than the real person, or that real person's writing. The use of Misery for Misery was clever, too.

Envy seems like a bit of a stretch to describe a reason to hate a game. I very much doubt that it's a wish to love something when you didn't. Of course it's not like that in all cases.

You say you want to love all games, but do you really?

Do you really want to even imagine a world in which Ride to Hell: Retribution was a title which brought you unadulterated joy and cheer?

It seems to me like the problem here is that gamers are just angry when "game media" does anything, at all. I think we've started to look at game media the way we do mainstream, general news outlets - biased shills sporting a position, rather than reporting the news. Also, vocal minority, blah blah blah.

So maybe this is a bigger societal problem than just a gamer thing.

Edit: Thought about this a little more and now new things are spewing from my brain:

The problem in the games industry, if there's one coherent theme through all of Jim's work, is entitlement.

Gamers are entitled to good games with good reviews that follow exactly what they believe a good game and good review should look like.

Studios are entitled to sheeple buying their games with no complaints, then the DLC, then the micro-transactions, etc.

And reviewers are entitled to nobody ever doing anything but praising them for their critiquing abilities, and agreeing with them.

We're all entitled. Even me, bothering to post this on a gaming forum on the Internet. Maybe we all need to get over ourselves and play more damn games.

I cannot believe that this is actually a thing. I think "idiot" is being far too kind to people like that.

I can definitely see why The Escapist made you their new reviews editor.

I can to some degree see why people may be upset that people enjoy a game like Call of Duty. So many games for a long while were trying to be Call of Duty that we are getting no variety. Every game was very similar so it isn't as if there was a massive variety in those games either and it sort of did cause everyone to suffer to some degree. But I personally blame the developers for being lazy and not even changing the game engine in, what has it been, 6 years?

I personally really disliked Splinter Cell Conviction. Not because it was a bad game, but because it didn't feel like a Splinter Cell game and I was somewhat upset with people who liked it because I feared that we may not get another Splinter Cell game like Chaos theory due to the developers moving away from what made the games great in the first place in favor of a larger audience.

Congrats on the William Dafoe signature!

What the hell you like video games? I've lost all respect for you. Video games should only be approached with a detached sense of irony and contempt. Also, what is this thing "joy" you talk about? Stop making up words to show how elitist and hipster you are. Happiness is an illusion people.

Seriously, though great episode. You know what I do when someone hates on me for liking a game they hate? I play it again and have a blast. Double down my joy on their misery. Hopefully it results in a net positive for the world.

Falterfire:
You say you want to love all games, but do you really?

Do you really want to even imagine a world in which Ride to Hell: Retribution was a title which brought you unadulterated joy and cheer?

I don't know, some people enjoy laughing at how broken a game is. I suppose that's not enjoyment of the game itself though.

I always wonder if its a feeling of inadequacy. Every has to like or hate what they like......being any different is to belittle their own likes and dislikes. Kinda like people who like sci fi were insulted by people who hated it (the whole jocks vs nerds type thing), and thus the people who liked it were just as shit. (Sorry, not sure how to word what im saying.) Just sounds like they feel threatened if some one likes something different.

Also Jim, how do you know that the little plastic william dafoe isnt the real one and the person that signed that photo is a hack fake da foe?

Look, it's pretty clear that Jim loves video games.

And we just can't have that.

On a certain level I get feeling some irritation at seeing a game you dislike being praised (key word being "some"), but certain people take it way too far.

Off Topic: Nostalgic Squee at the Ancestral Trail images in this episode ^_^

Jim mutters "one step closer to the real thing" but is the real thing meeting real Willem DaFoe, or becoming Green Goblin himself?

I just think it's sad that gamers just cannot enjoy the game of their choosing without being attacked. It's the reason I rarely posted in the past, it's just another form of bullying, posting in response to them just makes them happy.

Loved DmC. Really solid game.

I get that some people didn't get what they wanted, but for me it was awesome. One of the best games that came out last year.

Great video. :)

I think the problem is that it's more a backlash against developers and publishers more than any anger at the reviewer. Rushed games like Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3. Bad industry practices like yearly sequels for Assassin's Creed games and Call of Duty. Shitty DRM in other games.

If you don't want those practices or games to be made, just don't buy them, tell people why they shouldn't buy those games. There will be no more DmC (reboot) games because it bombed at the market horribly, so that's the problem for the haters gone, sure Capcom could've done the actual Devil May Cry 5 in the meantime, but you can't win all the time.

Still the last target for your anger should be people who enjoyed the game, rage all you want, but rage at the one who actually pissed you off. It's not a war where everyone who isn't in your side is the enemy.

This is not new, Jim

Just because you just got around to noticing something does not mean that it previously did not exist

That would be like seeing Willem DaFoe reprising his roles as Jesus or an FBI agent opposite Gene Hackman and declaring him to be a 'new rising star' in the film industry just because you've never seen any of his previous films.

It is a silly thing.

I can understand it if you don't like to read or watch a review that bashes something that you like, I guess I can also understand it if you don't like to read or watch a review that likes something you don't, but I am confused why people get angry at the reviewers for their opinion.

My only guess is that gamers are Stalin levels of paranoid about reviewers getting paid off.

Evonisia:
Envy seems like a bit of a stretch to describe a reason to hate a game. I very much doubt that it's a wish to love something when you didn't. Of course it's not like that in all cases.

It could be, these people are upset that someone can find enjoyment in something easily, I can see someone being envious at that.

ex275w:
Rushed games like Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3.

What exactly was rushed about ME3? There was nothing rubbished about ME3 at all, people were just upset that they didn't like the ending, which was pathetic really.

See, the source of the problem here is that people get really mad when you like something they dislike. And yes, paradoxically it's worse than someone hating something you like.

When someone hates something you like, you KNOW they're wrong. After all, you played it, you liked it, and no one can take that away from you.

When someone likes something you hate, there's that small terrifying possibility that....maybe you're wrong. That provokes the biggest rage every time, because you now have to PROVE you're not wrong to yourself, by protesting in the loudest most obnoxious way possible.

One addendum though: Hating a review/review score is not quite the same as hating someone else because they like something. That perfect Dragon Age 2 score IS a travesty, not because the reviewer liked the game, but because professional reviews are supposed to be more than just whether the reviewer liked it or not, they're supposed to be a rational objective analysis of the components at play, and any objective analysis of the quality of Dragon Age 2 will find it wanting.

"I don't get it" is one of the things I see myself saying a lot when talking about gamers and moviegoers. So much hate. Why can't we go back to that time when we loved the things we loved, and just leave things we don't like be?

Falterfire:
You say you want to love all games, but do you really?

Do you really want to even imagine a world in which Ride to Hell: Retribution was a title which brought you unadulterated joy and cheer?

If it was a world in which Ride to Hell: Retribution was somehow actually a good game, sure, why not?

canadamus_prime:
I cannot believe that this is actually a thing. I think "idiot" is being far too kind to people like that.

I've seen far too many sneering comments about Dragon Age II's 5/5 review to not believe it's a thing.

OT: I like to think I keep my composure fairly well in circumstances where I'm discussing games I dislike with people who like them, though I wouldn't be surprised if I've been guilty of becoming angry at some point during the discussion myself.

Speaking as someone who has been rather outspoken about his loathing of Final Fantasy XIII in the past, it does always make me stop for a moment whenever I see somebody say they enjoyed it. I don't begrudge them that, but there does tend to be that nagging voice in the back of my mind which tries convincing me that their opinion is incomprehensible. At least, if they had played any previous Final Fantasy games aside from X.

But I try to just eventually settle on the position that it's good for them that they could find enjoyment out of something I couldn't. At the end of the day, is it really worth getting angry about such trivial things as people loving video games?

When I read some of the stuff people posted to Jim on his DMC review I was ashamed to call myself a gamer for the rest of the week. I really, really hated it but I was glad that Jim and others did as to me a game that nobody likes is just a waste.

But this is stating to effect simple game discussions. Recently it seems like I cannot even say why I like or dislike something when talking to someone before they close up in case I start insulting them simply because they like something and I don't.

xNicolex:

ex275w:
Rushed games like Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3.

What exactly was rushed about ME3? There was nothing rubbished about ME3 at all, people were just upset that they didn't like the ending, which was pathetic really.

Oh it was more that there were less dialogue options than other, wonky mechanics (the space bar did the same), and I remember loads of animation and gameplay glitches. Nothing Game Breaking but the game should have spent another year in development, 2 years wasn't enough, especially for a big RPG like the ones Bioware do.

Vault Citizen:
Quick question Jim, how do you and your wife know that Mr. Dafoe actually signed that?

Does a video about crapping on people's happiness and this is the first comment. .... I am actually speechless. Is this some sort of metajoke that just flew over my head? I really really want that to be the case. Just ... Dah Blah Gah EEEEAAAAHHHHHH

That's actually /v/ on a nutshell.

People shitting on other people for not liking the same shit has been around since gaming started. You're now just realizing this after all these years.

As someone who spends more time talking about video games rather than playing them and my opinion on games that I have played and finished recently is an astounding "meh". People who like video games are usually busy playing games while people who spend more time talking about video games used to like them. It is either due to their older, cynical mindset or video games suck compared to what they were 10 years ago.

I don't get the tickle magic feeling when I play games now, I finished Link Between Worlds a few days ago and like I said my reaction was "meh". Then again games like Dragons Dogma: Dark Arisen, Binary Domain, Valkyria Chronicles and MegaMan Zero can still get me going from time to time. Games might not be as good back when I was younger but I reckon I have changed more than video games. (Dragon Age 2 was an abortion of a video game though, I don't understand how anyone can give it a 10/10.)

carnege4:
That's actually /v/ on a nutshell.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that. I like /v/, the community speaks to me.

Thanatos2k:
See, the source of the problem here is that people get really mad when you like something they dislike. And yes, paradoxically it's not as bad as someone hating something you like.

When someone hates something you like, you KNOW they're wrong. After all, you played it, you liked it, and no one can take that away from you.

When someone likes something you hate, there's that small terrifying possibility that....maybe you're wrong. That provokes the biggest rage every time, because you now have to PROVE you're not wrong to yourself, by protesting in the loudest most obnoxious way possible.

One addendum though: Hating a review/review score is not quite the same as hating someone else because they like something. That perfect Dragon Age 2 score IS a travesty, not because the reviewer liked the game, but because professional reviews are supposed to be more than just whether the reviewer liked it or not, they're supposed to be a rational objective analysis of the components at play, and any objective analysis of the quality of Dragon Age 2 will find it wanting.

Reviews can't be 100% objective, they have to mix subjective opinion and objective facts (this game has 10 missions, it costs 60$, etc.) and form those objective facts write why the game is worth buying, renting, stealing from Gamestop, breaking or waiting until the price goes down. (For example the game has 10 missions, that's not a whole lot of variety 1/10)

*Claps at the end of the video* You sir have made a difference!

I realized that I have done this myself once when a friend of mine thought uncharted was the best game ever made. I can personally say that Jim's videos actually make me better as a gamer in a community. Thank God for Jim!

While this Ep was correct, I'd argue this issue is widespread across all forms of media. Don't agree? Take a trip to a music forum some time and see how much rage and bile gets thrown around toward certain positive reviews.

The gaming media do probably cop some of the worst abuse though and I think there's two reasons for this:

1. Demographic: No the stereotypical nerd gamer isn't a realistic representation of most people playing games, but there are still plenty of angry comic book guys out there who take pleasure in writing walls of dismissive text and tend to be pretty anti-social to begin with.

Add to that mix competitive players and 12 year olds etc. and you have a smorgasbord of insecure, angry douchery.

2. Format: This is where I do think that gaming media (and the industry) has brought this kind of vitriol upon themselves to some degree.

More so than any other entertainment medium, gaming is OBSESSED with scores and lists. When publications repeatedly emphasise 'top tens' and X/10 scores and sites like Metacritic are getting far too much attention, its inevitable that rage is induced. Instead of reading what people are saying or understanding view points, idiots just see a review score like a bull sees red and instantly jump on it.

And so the war between Jim Sterling and Fantasy Miniature Willem Dafoe begins.

It's good logic though, getting pissed about someone liking something is utterly ridiculous. If you enjoy it, fine. If you do and someone else does, also fine. If you're sick of every game copying the most popular one of the moment, don't blame the players, blame the lazy and scared publishers. I loved City of Heroes, spending over six years played while World of Warcraft bored me to death by level 16, but I'm not bothered people enjoy it because everyone's different. If we did all have the same tastes, I doubt we'd have even advanced as far as the wheel, let alone the computer as everyone would be happy with using a couple tree trunks for sled tracks.

To be honest, at least a third of the "GREG TITO DRAGON AGE 2 WTF WHY" is done as a joke. Sadly, the other 2/3rds actually hold it against him.

Even when I don't like games others like, I'm not about to attempt to convince them its wrong or that their joy is a lie. Why would I bother? I'm too busy looking for my own joy to care!

Nice picture and Happy New Year Jim!

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