Escapist News Now: Bravely Default Censored in Western Market

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To all of you talking about censorship and self-censorship, I recommend you watch this video by Moviebob about this subject. If anything it may give you a better understanding of the situation.

http://www.screwattack.com/shows/partners/game-overthinker/game-overthinker-overbytes-dont-censor-me

I've played a small bit of the demo for this game, thinking I may pick it up when it launches, and I can't see why people are complaining. They've altered some of the content to make the game more palatable to the new market they aim to sell it to. I understand the feeling of knowing others who play it have an experience you do not have access to, but really, what are you really missing out on?

I wish people would stop using the word censorship inappropriately.

If Square Enix alters costume design to better appeal to or offend less a western market, that is a design and marketing decision entirely within their freedom as a game producer, and not censorship.

Personally I like the little shorts better, I mean back in the day dolphin shorts were seriously more hot than bikini bottoms. The other costume I'm neutral about either way.

I'd understand the censorship and problem with it, if they were real. They're drawings, turned CGI. The fact that we can just make them 18 without even trying just proves that's it's the number, not the character.

And yeah, I get different cultures and all that, but it's pretty much just outfits, and even more so, if they're now 18 years old, why do the outfits need censoring?

I myself just don't really like censorship, as someone who draws, seeing any form of artwork censored to adjust to the sensitive types, or culture, just bothers me.

Also, this game's T - for Teen, so if the characters are now legal age, why does the outfits need censoring again?

Asuka Soryu:
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It's not that the original version bothers me in any way; I just don't think it's a form of censorship if it's a voluntary marketing decision.

kekkres:

gamegod25:
My question is whats with JRPG's having the dumbest, most nonsensical titles ever? And no, I'm not talking about Final Fantasy, there was a logical reason for that it just became ironic when it turned out to be successful.

No I mean games like this: Bravely Default...Infinite Undiscovery...Ys....Ar Tonelico Qoga: Knell of Ar Ciel...ok seriously wtf? Hard to imagine they sound any less ridiculous in Japanese either.

Ys is an actual name of an "actual" mythical island that sunk into the sea ala atlantis, its french i think.

Maybe so but that doesn't make it any less weird looking or hard to say. And I have no clue if that has anything to do with anything in the game.

Fuck, square nor Nintendo had any dealings with localization of Bravely Default, it was third party group that did it. In fact the company that did the change was binarisonori. http://www.siliconera.com/2013/12/16/heres-worked-bravely-defaults-english-localization/

I'm still looking to in 4chan to see if any manage to screencap nintendo and square response, when the Americans started asking if it was the same as the PAL version.

Pr0:
Now you can't equate playing a shooter game to fantasizing about murder the same way you can't equate playing a JRPG to fantasizing about molesting underage girls. But the issue as it stands is we don't have an obvious issue of people directly fantasizing about murder due to shooter games(this isn't to say its not happening its just got a lot less direct visual evidence that you can find on Google)..whereas there is extreme and direct evidence all over the internet of people fantasizing about molesting underage girls and a good amount of this vicarious fantasy is based on JRPG and anime style characters...

Uhhh... what?

We most certainly do not have an issue about people fantasizing about pedophilia because of games in the same way that we don't have an issue about people fantasizing about violence because of games.

Both are problems already inherent in society, games are neither a catalyst nor a cause of these things. Our violent tendency is one of the biggest problems with the human race and has been since the dawn of humanity.

The vast majority of people believe in and fully support violent, aggressive action taken against people they don't like. They are perfectly willing to steal from people for their own personal benefit or to satisfy ends they desire to reach. They will endlessly produce ex post facto justifications which paint them as heroic in advocating for and using violence to satisfy their desires and adamantly refuse to acknowledge the immorality of their actions.

How do I know this? They vote in elections.

[REDACTED]:
It's not that the original version bothers me in any way; I just don't think it's a form of censorship if it's a voluntary marketing decision.

Voluntarily self-censoring because your target audience is full of a bunch of prudes is still a form of censorship.

So what are we supposed to do then? Hack a Japanese version and insert the sounds and texts of the English version?
How much do we have to pay to get an uncensored localized version?

[REDACTED]:

What would be a drastic case in your opinion? I actually can't imagine how this could be a problem, as long as the decision rests with the people making the game.

Companies or artists being severely limited in their creative work when they need to release a game in a certain territory.

Take for example TERA online, its armor styles show a lot of nude for females, but while they don't all appeal to me, they're all still fairly creative and well-made.

If before the game even gets released these artistic choices are scrapped because they might lead to confrontation, that's a serious issue imo.

You can take it even further, out of just the "clothing" deal. All sorts of themes could be self-censored out because of fear that they might rub some people the wrong way, while the most interesting and innovative ideas are often exactly the ones that dare to engage in those kinds of themas.

In the end I think it walks the path toward more uniformity, instead of diversity.

Magenera:
Fuck, square nor Nintendo had any dealings with localization of Bravely Default, it was third party group that did it. In fact the company that did the change was binarisonori. http://www.siliconera.com/2013/12/16/heres-worked-bravely-defaults-english-localization/

I'm still looking to in 4chan to see if any manage to screencap nintendo and square response, when the Americans started asking if it was the same as the PAL version.

You sure about that, seems like they're a company that mostly deals with voicework and audio.

DjinnFor:
Voluntarily self-censoring because your target audience is full of a bunch of prudes is still a form of censorship.

And tomatoes are a form of fruit. It may be censorship by some definitions, but it only matters if the creator was forced or coerced into making the change. As far as I can tell, this wasn't the case with Bravely Default. If this is censorship, every time someone has been tactful in a conversation was a also a form of censorship.

this could also be a ploy to just create some dlc for it as well I don't trust game companies anymore and since they raised her age to legal age for America it would make sense for them to say you can buy it if your not offended.

gamegod25:
My question is whats with JRPG's having the dumbest, most nonsensical titles ever? And no, I'm not talking about Final Fantasy, there was a logical reason for that it just became ironic when it turned out to be successful.

No I mean games like this: Bravely Default...Infinite Undiscovery...Ys....Ar Tonelico Qoga: Knell of Ar Ciel...ok seriously wtf? Hard to imagine they sound any less ridiculous in Japanese either.

Actually, Bravely Default's name makes sense once you start playing the game - the name comes from the main game mechanic, where you can "default" (guard and store up your turns) and/or do a "brave" attack (attack more than once, and with stronger attacks). Even the "Flying Fairy" subtitle (which is "Where the Fairy Flies" in the western release) makes sense once you get to a chapter near the end. So the name actually did come from somewhere logical. Unlike most Tales of Alphabet Soup games.

I don't mind the changes, honestly. I played it in Japanese when it first came out, and those two costumes in particular annoyed me, especially the vampire costume. You can't tell since it's only showing you the female costumes, but the male vampire costume looks like a 19th century gentleman, whereas the female character's is...buckled straps and bunny ears. That was the only case where the gender differences in the costumes was a little too over the top and the only one in the game that made me go, "OH, COME ON!" at it - with all the others, the costumes were mostly the same, but that one was a bit much, so I can see why they decided to change it for the western release.

I also don't mind the aging up, since it seemed a little ridiculous to have a character like Edea be that accomplished at 15. Making her older actually makes more sense to me.

[REDACTED]:

You quoted my post about Nier to say that it wasn't localization, but censorship, because your definition of censorship is functionally identical to the world's definition of localization. Forgive me for being a bit confused about that.

It's still censorship, though.

I'm also going to point out that I didn't respond to a post on Nier, I responded a post where you likened this act (censorship which everyone and their brother is assuming to be due to child porn laws, though I don't think that's automatically the case) to Nier. Kind of a different thing.

Also, much as I hate to be the asshole with the dictionary,

Wikipedia:
It can be done by governments and private organizations or by individuals who engage in self-censorship.

As for corporate censorship, I was (somewhat stupidly) thinking of it in terms of the fundamental right sense, which isn't always going to match up exactly with the ways that the countries that believe in it choose to implement it in law. I'd argue that any repression of free speech is bad in the long run, regardless of it's legal legitimacy.

But if a company is censoring themselves only to conform to acceptable standards in a country (self-censorship), it's okay and it's not really censorship? You seem to be dicing a very fine line here. Altering one's self to fit the market is still censorship, and it's still due to repression of free expression. And worse, it's still due to the same forces you're supposed to be against.

Fdzzaigl:

Yeah, I mixed the two up there, used to searching for anything starting with "E" for europe...
However, the PEGI 12 rating which the game received allows for sexual innuendo. So I don't see why that would be the problem.

Again, as mentioned in various articles, it at least seems like Square did this because of prior problems with Dead or Alive.

I've referenced Dimensions (if not by name, because I can't remember if I did). I'm aware of the controversy and aware of the hivemind mentality of games journalism. I'm also aware that making costumes more modest and other forms of alteration is nothing new and games being banned in one part of Europe hasn't led to wider censorship before. I'm not sure the journalists who are copying each other on the DOA thing are aware or have the attention span. It doesn't necessarily change anything here. I also don't see any specific rating that explicitly covers 12 year olds in lingerie as a topic.

Although I have to ask: if it was pre-emptively altered to comply with child porn laws (which was the issue with DOAD), is this a particularly damning thing?

[REDACTED]:

It's not that the original version bothers me in any way; I just don't think it's a form of censorship if it's a voluntary marketing decision.

The decision in this case is (according to gamign sites) evidently "censor it or get banned."

Technically, by that argument all censorship that doesn't involve actively confiscating or after-market redaction is voluntary. But then, you've utterly made the definition of "voluntary" meaningless.

T-Shirt Turtle:
To all of you talking about censorship and self-censorship, I recommend you watch this video by Moviebob about this subject. If anything it may give you a better understanding of the situation.

http://www.screwattack.com/shows/partners/game-overthinker/game-overthinker-overbytes-dont-censor-me

That was largely not related to the issue at hand.

Joseph Wallace:
this could also be a ploy to just create some dlc for it as well I don't trust game companies anymore and since they raised her age to legal age for America it would make sense for them to say you can buy it if your not offended.

They'd run into the same issues as before. But again, unless something's changed, we don't know this is going to be the case for the US release anyway.

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