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And to use his metaphor against him, making an anime with mechs fighting giant monsters and having the focus be on an the angst of whiny bitch of a guy THAT is like making a porno and spend the whole time watching every detail of the repair and arguing over the price.

Good christ Cory, are you and Evangelion going to hate fuck eachother already or what? This is your sixth DEEP AND MEANINGFUL comic at this point.

I'll be honest, when I saw that shirt, I was kind of hoping this would be a comic about how DEEP AND MEANINGFUL Kill la Kill is. It's kind of Eva's polar opposite in that it actually has some well done symbolism and satire within it, but you have to dig through a whole bunch of lewd absurdity to find it.

Nouw:

canadamus_prime:

Nouw:
You'd be surprised. I don't really get any milking vibes from his interview, though you can still view the Rebuilds as such.

Isn't this the 2nd time Evangelion's been remade? If that's not milking it I don't know what is.

I suppose Death&Rebirth could count as a remake but according to Wikipedia the first half is just a clipshow, a glorified re-cap episode movie-length, and the second half is footage from End of Evangelion. That sounds like a cash-grab to me but I don't think it counts as a remake considering only the ending is re-done but the End of Evangeion is another can of worms. The Rebuild series is the first 'true' remake, discounting the manga adaptations, and even then it sounds like Anno is doing it because he genuinely wants to return to it. I imagine he's set for life already thanks to Eva merch and while it'd be a lie to say money wasn't a factor in remaking them, I think money isn't the biggest factor. Just pure speculation, I don't know Anno unlike the people in this thread that claims he hates them :P.

Well I will wholeheartedly admit that I'm speaking out of pure ignorance because I don't follow Evangelion and have no interest in it. However reviving and redoing a series that had quite clearly concluded (I can can only assume that something called "End of Evangelion" means a conclusion) seems rather suspect to me.

Jumwa:
Wasn't Evangelion always a middle finger to the typical anime fans? From the main character who suffered from depression and didn't simply get over it as viewers wanted him to. The depressing scene in the hospital with Rei where she calls him on what a creep he was. To how they had Shinji fall for a guy just to tick off homophobes.

It's been over ten years since I watched it last, so I can't remember clearly.

It was originally pitched as THE otaku anime, and when Anno took the time to completely divert from your atypical Mecha formula, it pissed people off. Beyond that it really wasn't so much about pissing people off as it was an honest form of expression. A lot of the sexual overtones in the anime were literally Anno coming to terms with how screwed he is in the head. Koaru, for example.

88chaz88:

Olas:
I'm considering watching the show just so I can understand what all these comics are about.

Watch the first episode, then you'll get everything about NGE. No need to go any further than that.

Mahorfeus:
I've always liked Evangelion.

I do think it's a little "deep," but then again, Anno has openly admitted to using Christian imagery because he thinks it looks cool, not to spell out some religious message. I find that in itself hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfM3WjyCt8s&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL0F37DF458A2AFFF8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEn6-vLYvFQ&list=PL0F37DF458A2AFFF8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sATCoI7Ozk4&list=PL0F37DF458A2AFFF8

Evangellion is the kind of show that you will get as much or as little as you want to get out of it. The folks who say, "oh 2 deep 4 me huheuehuehuehue" are quite literally beyond help because, yes, it was. At the same time though? Yeah, it may be a stretch to say it's the next War and Peace. You can't ignore its impact on the industry though, and to pass it off as an idle joke at the expense of Anno's fans is a bit excessive. So depending on who you ask it's both nothing special, and something severely underestimated.

FINE, Grey and Cory, i'll watch the show! Kripes!

I mean that's why you guys keep making these comics, right?

The Wooster:

If people were to read carefully, they notice that I've only made fun of the actual series twice (the original #1 dad strip and the FMA comparison strip). Two of the remaining strips (including this one) are actually defending the series by arguing that a lot of its critics are simply expecting the wrong things.

The comment at the end is the only thing I find fault with... Why you gotta hate on the cake?
Sure it's a $44 dollar cake with cheap figure thrown in... But that looks like pretty good cake.
I'm sure it tastes horrible but it has the Angel face so perfectly centered not even the most OCD of us would find fault with it (picture enlarged to show details).

Joking aside I don't really find fault with the gross over monopolization of the Eva franchise, outside of taking up shelf space and a few face palms it doesn't hurt anyone and allows for the movies to be made without investors dictating more moe characters (Anno just adds those in himself).

Then again I'm hopelessly biased since I have an officially licensed Eva blanket and Sunshade...

I watched it a while ago, and I didn't like it. My reasons go far beyond "Shinji is annoying" (he IS annoying, don't get me wrong), but the whole thing just comes across as kind of wrong in my eyes.

It uses a lot of religious imagery, but it feels like it's there purely for aesthetic reasons, without saying anything at all. It's just giving various things religious names for no reason at all, other than looking and sounding complicated and nice.

As for Evangelion's philosophy; it really pushes it, especially in EoE, but it never goes beyond surface level, and never feels like it adds to the story; it's just kind of there. "Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else" is basically paraphrased with some rearranged words, but it feels pointless. In 1984, said quote was used to illustrate a clear point regarding book's central themes. In Evangelion, it's just there to sound smart.

As for Shinji; his whining wouldn't be so bad if not for the fact that he never does anything; he's unable to think for himself, he never aspires to anything. He starts off depressed, remains in said state throughout the entire story, and doesn't even try to do anything about it (which kind of defeats the point of the whole "deconstruction" thing.)
He doesn't HAVE to get the girl, he doesn't HAVE to get away happily, but he never seems to go anywhere at all.
For example, the "hell train" conversation with Leliel was kind of neat, but it ultimately feels empty. It's just talking to the audience about philosophical viewpoints and character traits that are blatantly obvious. It feels like the complete opposite of "show, don't tell." It's not good storytelling, at least as I see it (the show as a whole has this problem.)

And for that matter, Shinji's past seems way too obscured for his character to be even remotely interesting:

We know that his mother died when he was 3 and his father left him a year later. Then, he lived with his "teacher" (whom we never learn anything about) for 10 years. There never seems to be anything to go from. We pretty much learn nothing about him, aside from his personality traits.
And his reasoning basically boils down to "noone understands me", which just seems lazy to me.

There are several more things I could mention, but I'll stop there. Maybe I've missed the point, but I just didn't enjoy the show.

gamegod25:
And to use his metaphor against him, making an anime with mechs fighting giant monsters and having the focus be on an the angst of whiny bitch of a guy THAT is like making a porno and spend the whole time watching every detail of the repair and arguing over the price.

I would agree if we were talking about the original series. It's kind of a weird show. However, this far in, we kind of know how NGE operates and shouldn't expect things that NGE just doesn't do, like any victory being long term or satisfying. He tried the typical hero thing and fucked up the entire world for the sake of one girl of which there are actually several(can't fault him for not knowing that though). In any other show, there'd be no fallout, the hero saves the girl and everything goes back to normal.

I'm sensing a shift in the art style.

Ah, guest art, I was wondering why Erin suddenly looked like Korra

I was a pretty big Eva nerd back in 1999. I haven't watched it since, and don't care. I have no idea what this reboot or 3.0 shit is about, and I will never find out.

>3 pages of missing the point.

It just keeps happening. Great comic as always.

Anyway, I kinda figured that the same writer and artist who produced something like the Link arc couldn't possibly be sort who would actually hate Evangelion. And now my theory is confirmed.

Well, EXCUSE ME for expecting some form of realism from my porn.

I get the frustration with Evangelion, both the original and Rebuild series. For me, it's original intent was to be a harsh deconstruction and criticism of not only the mecha genre and anime industry but of the Japanese culture and mindset post-WWII. When the established world has been so thoroughly uprooted and the ideals and expectations you're now supposed to live by are muddled at best, it can be all to easy too run away from the real world and hide in fantasy (i.e. Shinji and company). This cast of existential nihilists was Hideaki Anno's way of making viewers see the parallels to their own world and inspire a sense of outrage and want to change it.

That's not what happened. Instead, the fan base latched onto the series in a way that only promoted this escapist mentality further, becoming one of the industry's biggest cash cows. Anno, probably frustrated with the fan's unintended reactions and already mentally unbalanced himself, decided to vent this resentment back at viewers with the characters and plot becoming even more reprehensible. By the time End of Eva rolled out (with that one infamous scene. You know the one.) you could practically hear Anno screaming in rage at the viewers from outside the sound booth. And it only furthered the series success.

In short, Eva is a man's call to action against a world gone wrong only to have its listeners do the opposite by embracing what he views as the problem. As a result, the plot and characters of his creation suffer the consequences.

To anyone looking for a version of the series that doesn't make you lose hope in humanity, I'd recommend the manga adaptation or Re-Take of Evangelion (that last one is NSFW but still worth it for fans of Shinji with balls.)

And if you want something that will really inspire initiative to change the world, watch Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. Basically, it's Eva with a much better philosophical viewpoint, mech battles that will melt your face with sheer testosterone, and a version of Shinji with a Green Lantern power ring and the will to change the universe.

Also, the catchiest theme song I've ever heard : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-6CrK6deWo

fi6eka:

Soviet Heavy:
I'm sticking with Mobile Suit Gundam: The 8th MS Team for my Robot Kicks at the moment. Goddamn does that show have some neat designs. Ez8!

Don't Watch the final episode!!!Trust me young one.

Oh come on its not that bad, at worst it just comes off as weird and pointless.

Anyway

In my defense, EVA 2.0 did kind of gave us the impression that Shinji was going to be less whiny and more determined in the future and yet by the end of 3.0 I swear he is more depressed than he ever was in the TV series or the movie, EOE.

As far as Hideaki Anno and his relationship with Evangelion goes... just watch (or read the synopsis to) Wacky Delly. No seriously, I can't think of a more apt parallel than this. Eva was never meant to be a success, there was never some original vision or definitive version planned. Any chances we had at a decent and rational ending (in video format) to Evangelion was with the Rebuild series, and those chances got fucked by Anno with 3.0, the "Ha ha, you thought you were going to see a story unfold with rational character development and action? You thought wrong! Here's a bunch of actions that are only rationalized by references that you, the audience, don't understand!" chapter.

Izanagi009, post edited to accommodate the usage of 'Gundam Wing':
This was a trend that happened after the rise of Super Robot which showed their child characters as stable and eternally virtuous. Gundam Wing was considered one of the animes that help deconstruct this trend to show what would actually happen if a child was thrown in a war: one-dimensional bishonen personalities that can be summed up in one sentence each that send hundreds if not thousands of unsuspecting and terrified military personnel to early graves without any of them reflecting any realistic kind of psychological trauma, crises, or remorse.

Okay, but seriously, never post about Gundam Wing being any kind of rational ever again. Forever.

And don't even start about Heero/Quatre with the "I'll let the family members kill me after blowing up that plane!"/"I saw my dad die so now the colonies gotta go boom with my newly constructed Wing Zero!" bullshit. Heero is all kinds of stupidly unstable. No, not heroic, not stoic, but unstable. And no, not in a "aw, look at what war's done to him" unstable, but darwinian unstable. And Quatre? His mentality after seeing his dad die is... what, "space is too militarized so now I'll destroy all the colonies?" That's three kinds of retarded, considering the other members of the rest of his fucking family live in space. And he says that after saying "what the colonies need... is a war!" The fuck?

Grenge Di Origin:
As far as Hideaki Anno and his relationship with Evangelion goes... just watch (or read the synopsis to) Wacky Delly. No seriously, I can't think of a more apt parallel than this. Eva was never meant to be a success, there was never some original vision or definitive version planned. Any chances we had at a decent and rational ending (in video format) to Evangelion was with the Rebuild series, and those chances got fucked by Anno with 3.0, the "Ha ha, you thought you were going to see a story unfold with rational character development and action? You thought wrong! Here's a bunch of actions that are only rationalized by references that you, the audience, don't understand!" chapter.

Izanagi009, post edited to accommodate the usage of 'Gundam Wing':
This was a trend that happened after the rise of Super Robot which showed their child characters as stable and eternally virtuous. Gundam Wing was considered one of the animes that help deconstruct this trend to show what would actually happen if a child was thrown in a war: one-dimensional bishonen personalities that can be summed up in one sentence each that send hundreds if not thousands of unsuspecting and terrified military personnel to early graves without any of them reflecting any realistic kind of psychological trauma, crises, or remorse.

Okay, but seriously, never post about Gundam Wing being any kind of rational ever again. Forever.

And don't even start about Heero/Quatre with the "I'll let the family members kill me after blowing up that plane!"/"I saw my dad die so now the colonies gotta go boom with my newly constructed Wing Zero!" bullshit. Heero is all kinds of stupidly unstable. No, not heroic, not stoic, but unstable. And no, not in a "aw, look at what war's done to him" unstable, but darwinian unstable. And Quatre? His mentality after seeing his dad die is... what, "space is too militarized so now I'll destroy all the colonies?" That's three kinds of retarded, considering the other members of the rest of his fucking family live in space. And he says that after saying "what the colonies need... is a war!" The fuck?

I admit that Anno has his head up his ass sometimes but given the depression and death threats, he is more than in his right to kind of want to screw us over. Plus, Eva started out as a normal mecha just with more blood and ended up being a sort of decontruction. It may not have had an original purpose but it kind of has one now. I honestly don't think we can evaluate the rebuild movies until the final movie comes out but I do think that Eva 3.0 while off does still have it's bright points

As for Wing, Heero and Quatre went insane through the Zero system. While i do admit that you certainly bring up points leading to preexisting psychosis, I do think that over insanity is a bit more plausible than being able to stay perfectly optimistic like with some of the early mechas.

Wow, the puppetmaster defense in The Year Of Our Lord 2014? Just so you know, this is what 4chan has to say on the matter:

When 4chan, of all places, thinks you're a fool, it's time to rethink your position.

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