Zero Punctuation: Killzone: Shadow Fall

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Killzone: Shadow Fall

This week, Zero Punctuation reviews Killzone: Shadow Fall.

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Hate to be "that guy", but the recurrent phrase is spelled wrong...

I propose for the asterisk to be put on the description on every next gen, I mean, current gen title so we can't forget about it.

Awww, man. That bit at the end, with the zip-lining from the moon into the imp was funny and all, but I really feel like this was a missed opportunity for a Spec Ops: The Line joke. Like, zip-lining down into hell and meeting Captain Walker down in the flames.

Hilarious episode. I literally laughed out loud a couple times.

Also, preventative war against pancakes is necessary lest they get first strike capabilities from the toaster.

Just a quick question about the whole not liking the current console generation due to lack of backwards compatibility thing. Were people really prepared to pay the likely $600 - $800 for one that did have native backwards compatibility?

Griffolion:
Just a quick question about the whole not liking the current console generation due to lack of backwards compatibility thing. Were people really prepared to pay the likely $600 - $800 for one that did have native backwards compatibility?

but but backwards compatibility!!!! It is the most importen part of the console! Yes, I'm getting sick of all of this. I would not be prepare to pay 7000 kr (700€ or more) or more for the same console with backwards compatibility.

But Yahtzee! In the sequel the clitoris pad could be used to write passive aggressive post-it notes to your Helgan roommates for a variety of reasons! This is next gen after all. We could have epic post-it battles over who didn't clean the litter box or who ate the leftover roast beef sandwich from the takeout box. Extra points would be awarded for creativity; you'd earn score multipliers for sticking post-its to TV screens or light switches or the jizzum stains on the ceiling above your roommate's bed.

Griffolion:
Just a quick question about the whole not liking the current console generation due to lack of backwards compatibility thing. Were people really prepared to pay the likely $600 - $800 for one that did have native backwards compatibility?

Given the fact that the current Xbone would probably still be more expensive then a PS4 with backwards compatibility (it wouldn't be that expensive to do), people would probably be more willing to pay up given that there are actual games to play.

Just remember that the PS3 had backwards compatibility for PS1 games right from the start, and there was a limited run model which had ps2 compatibility which was about the same price as the regular PS3 was.

though to be honest 600$ for a PS4 that plays PS1, 2 and 3 games perfectly fine would be something I would probably buy.

Wow... Actually a pretty positive review (by Yahtzee's standard anyway). I have Killzone: Shadow Fall, because it comes with pretty much every unit of PS4, but I haven't play it yet, thanks to timesinks like AC IV or NBA 2k14, as well as couple of interesting titles on PC/older consoles, but now I might just give it a try...

Kinda makes me curious on how the "*But it doesn't justify forcing us to buy a clunky new console with no backwards compatibility." quote can be worked into a Zero Punctuation T-shirt. Maybe two different T-Shirt designs; one that has "I heart X-Box One*" on the front and another that reads "I heart PS4*" with the full quote on the back of both shirts.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't PS3 emulation for the PS4, like, impossible (or at least really really hard) because of architectural reasons?

Not relieving Sony from blame or anything - creating a console with insides that are relatively bonkers probably wasn't the best choice - But it's not really something they can help now, and PSNow seems like a reasonable enough alternative.

On the other hand, I don't think the bone has that much of an excuse.
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Capcha: Brand Lift. Oh, fuck you, solve media. I'm not being biased, I'm being observational.

What happened to Spunk-gargle-wee-wee? It's a very good phrase to sum up things.

That was surprisingly positive from Yahtzee. I've heard far harsher things about this game from other people.

Hutzpah Chicken:
What happened to Spunk-gargle-wee-wee? It's a very good phrase to sum up things.

It's a terrible phrase. Most likely explains why he doesn't use it much anymore.

Griffolion:
Just a quick question about the whole not liking the current console generation due to lack of backwards compatibility thing. Were people really prepared to pay the likely $600 - $800 for one that did have native backwards compatibility?

Of the three consoles, the PS4 is the one I'm most interested in, but only because of the exclusives that I wouldn't be able to get on my PC.

But after hearing it will not be backward compatible with the PS3 (which I never had, but always wanted to own), I might as well just get a used PS3 and the games I wanted to play.

Griffolion:
Just a quick question about the whole not liking the current console generation due to lack of backwards compatibility thing. Were people really prepared to pay the likely $600 - $800 for one that did have native backwards compatibility?

I'd say yes, but then I'm a PC gamer... Backwards compatibility is a given.

...Along with all the other advantages.

But seriously, they could have made a limited edition option, kind of like the "Fat" PS3s ended up being.

BX3:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't PS3 emulation for the PS4, like, impossible (or at least really really hard) because of architectural reasons?

Not relieving Sony from blame or anything - creating a console with insides that are relatively bonkers probably wasn't the best choice - But it's not really something they can help now, and PSNow seems like a reasonable enough alternative.

On the other hand, I don't think the bone has that much of an excuse.
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Capcha: Brand Lift. Oh, fuck you, solve media. I'm not being biased, I'm being observational.

It's pretty much impossible, but they could pretty easily have backwards compatibility by simply having the Cell as a secondary processor, but that would've made the console more expensive.

Then again how much more expensive would it be really? They could've even made 2 different versions of the console, one cheaper without BC and one more expensive with.

Well the 'but' joke is certainly much better than a sarcastic remark every few paragraphs.

I thoroughly enjoyed the episode, and I didn't expect Killzone to really impress much.

So we have:
Ryse, the bland, repetitive MMS style but in Rome game.
Knack, the bland, repetitive, Crash Bandicoot style without the excitement and fun game.

Dead Rising 3, the slightly fun but dumbed down Zombie killfest.
Killzone: Shadow Fall, the slightly fun but restrictive shooter.

Hutzpah Chicken:
What happened to Spunk-gargle-wee-wee? It's a very good phrase to sum up things.

Would Killzone come under Spunk-gargle-wee-wee? I mean from what gameplay I've seen and this review it doesn't seem like a schizophrenic overly linear modern military shooter. Killzone has always been more like Gears of War with a dash of Halo (with it's own story obviously), so it would be weird for it to delve into SGWW nature.

Evonisia:
Well the 'but' joke is certainly much better than a sarcastic remark every few paragraphs.

I thoroughly enjoyed the episode, and I didn't expect Killzone to really impress much.

So we have:
Ryse, the bland, repetitive MMS style but in Rome game.
Knack, the bland, repetitive, Crash Bandicoot style without the excitement and fun.

Dead Rising 3, the slightly fun but dumbed down Zombie killfest.
Killzone: Shadow Fall, the slightly fun but restrictive shooter.

Hutzpah Chicken:
What happened to Spunk-gargle-wee-wee? It's a very good phrase to sum up things.

Would Killzone come under Spunk-gargle-wee-wee? I mean from what gameplay I've seen and this review it doesn't seem like a schizophrenic overly linear modern military shooter. Killzone has always been more like Gears of War with a dash of Halo (with it's own story obviously), so it would be weird for it to delve into SGWW nature.

Ehh, perhaps. I'm too cheap to buy a game for more than $10, and it doesn't seem to be a game that I'd want (because it doesn't justify blah blah blah). This is a PS4 exclusive, isn't it?

Griffolion:
Just a quick question about the whole not liking the current console generation due to lack of backwards compatibility thing. Were people really prepared to pay the likely $600 - $800 for one that did have native backwards compatibility?

I would've been more likely to. I have to sacrifice a lot of surface area to keep both my PS3 and my PS4 (Which was a gift), and when I want to play one or the other, I have to dig the HDMI cable out of one and plug it into the other because my monitor has only one HDMI port. Call it first world problems if you want, but it would've been damn convenient to just have one device.

EDIT: And I highly doubt that including backwards compatibility would have been so costly as to up the price by 200 or more. More likely it was so Sony could artificially inflate the value of it's Playstation Now service. I don't know what Microsoft's reason was, but it's probably a dumb one.

As for Killzone, I really enjoy the games, but I wish that they would let Obsidian or Telltale have a go at making one in a different genre. They have such interesting lore and back story, none of which is really seen in game because it might get in the way of shooting the fuck out of the Helghast.

Rayansaki:

BX3:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't PS3 emulation for the PS4, like, impossible (or at least really really hard) because of architectural reasons?

Not relieving Sony from blame or anything - creating a console with insides that are relatively bonkers probably wasn't the best choice - But it's not really something they can help now, and PSNow seems like a reasonable enough alternative.

On the other hand, I don't think the bone has that much of an excuse.
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Capcha: Brand Lift. Oh, fuck you, solve media. I'm not being biased, I'm being observational.

It's pretty much impossible, but they could pretty easily have backwards compatibility by simply having the Cell as a secondary processor, but that would've made the console more expensive.

Then again how much more expensive would it be really? They could've even made 2 different versions of the console, one cheaper without BC and one more expensive with.

But the PS3 didn't have "a Cell", but 8 parallel cell processors. In order for games to work natively, they would have to include the entire board.

It was different with the PS2/PS3 compatibility, where the required component was a 40$ worth chip.

Mcoffey:

Griffolion:
Just a quick question about the whole not liking the current console generation due to lack of backwards compatibility thing. Were people really prepared to pay the likely $600 - $800 for one that did have native backwards compatibility?

I would've been more likely to. I have to sacrifice a lot of surface area to keep both my PS3 and my PS4 (Which was a gift), and when I want to play one or the other, I have to dig the HDMI cable out of one and plug it into the other because my monitor has only one HDMI port. Call it first world problems if you want, but it would've been damn convenient to just have one device.

Maybe you should consider one of these:image

Yossarian1507:
Wow... Actually a pretty positive review (by Yahtzee's standard anyway). I have Killzone: Shadow Fall, because it comes with pretty much every unit of PS4, but I haven't play it yet, thanks to timesinks like AC IV or NBA 2k14, as well as couple of interesting titles on PC/older consoles, but now I might just give it a try...

BUT THAT DOESN'T JUSTIFY FORCING US TO BUY A CLUNKY NEW CONSOLE WITH NO BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY.

Oh god I'm going to use this phrase to annoy everyone from now on.

hermes200:

Mcoffey:

Griffolion:
Just a quick question about the whole not liking the current console generation due to lack of backwards compatibility thing. Were people really prepared to pay the likely $600 - $800 for one that did have native backwards compatibility?

I would've been more likely to. I have to sacrifice a lot of surface area to keep both my PS3 and my PS4 (Which was a gift), and when I want to play one or the other, I have to dig the HDMI cable out of one and plug it into the other because my monitor has only one HDMI port. Call it first world problems if you want, but it would've been damn convenient to just have one device.

Maybe you should consider one of these:image

Did not know they made those. Awesome! What would you call that? An HDMI Splitter?

Hutzpah Chicken:
What happened to Spunk-gargle-wee-wee? It's a very good phrase to sum up things.

Now that you mention it, I'm surprised that didn't come up here too.

Also that "regulation amount of fun" joke is starting to disturb me. It seems every AAA game can only have a maximum amount of fun before it has to start sucking. It's becoming more and more true with every release.

Griffolion:
Just a quick question about the whole not liking the current console generation due to lack of backwards compatibility thing. Were people really prepared to pay the likely $600 - $800 for one that did have native backwards compatibility?

I did for the PS3 but I realize I'm far from a representation of the majority of console consumers.

Depite all those disclaimers I can't help but think Yahtzee liked the game.

Why would they add BC when they can make money by charging you for those old games instead. :-) Its good business sense really.

Still no game worth buying a new console for, though i am excited for E3 to see what MS and Sony have planned game wise.

Mcoffey:

hermes200:

Mcoffey:
I would've been more likely to. I have to sacrifice a lot of surface area to keep both my PS3 and my PS4 (Which was a gift), and when I want to play one or the other, I have to dig the HDMI cable out of one and plug it into the other because my monitor has only one HDMI port. Call it first world problems if you want, but it would've been damn convenient to just have one device.

Maybe you should consider one of these:image

Did not know they made those. Awesome! What would you call that? An HDMI Splitter?

HDMI Splitter or HDMI Switcher...

In an alternate universe, Killzone Wii U will utilize the Miiverse for actual gameplay implementation of the passive-aggressive notes; receive messages by going to Miiverse points and get a random boost to your weapons, whether it's increased DPS from your bullets, or an enhanced ability to run, or jump, or take damage.

Why Mr. Croshaw! Intentional or not, I'm flattered that you would use Atlanta's skyline to illustrate this game's skyboxes!

Well, I remember that Supreme Commander 2 basically started out in peace times, but had trouble brewing and the game was largely about preventing full-out war (except when you play as the Aeon dipshits). So, sure, there could have been a peaceful ending to this title. Not that I want to imply Supreme Commander 2 is a good role model for games... really not. I only mean this one point.

Johnny Novgorod:
Depite all those disclaimers I can't help but think Yahtzee liked the game.

That's how it sounded to me. It must be how not like CoD it is, and how easy it is to make jokes out of the nonsensical decisions of both the Vektans and Helghast.

capthca: my beating heart
well, if mine wasn't beating, then I'd have a problem.

I'm just wondering, but am I the only person who think that the Helghast are actually bad guys? Okay, yes, they got the short end of the stick. No, that wasn't fair that the ISA pulled such a dick move. Germany also got the short end of the stick at the end of World War I, yet I don't see anyone going around saying that the Nazis had good reasons to do what they did.
The Helghast invaded a colony world and started killing without remorse. Military and civilians. So of course Vekta and Earth are going to respond. Then, it's revealed that the Helghast are building a literal planet-killing weapon which they fully intend to use on Earth. A weapon that will kill EVERYONE on the planet, or at least the overwhelming majority of people. And if I remember right, the 'good guys' at the end of three didn't deliberately set off the weapon. They were trying to prevent it from going off (you know, trying to save all the people back on Earth) and then, in the ensuing gun fight, stuff blew up. They didn't go and push the button and laugh, and I seem to recall they were horrified at what had just happened. Or am I remembering the end of Killzone 3 wrong?
I'm not saying that the good guys are not at fault, but I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only person that thinks the Helghast are getting too much of a free pass because of what happened to them over a hundred years ago. I mean, one of the first scenes from Shadowfall shows a Helghan soldier walking up and shooting a wounded woman in the head in cold blood, then executing the man who was trying to help her. These aren't exactly Nobel Peace Prize winners here.

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