Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Review - Episode 12: Seeds

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Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Review - Episode 12: Seeds

Last week's much-hyped episode could charitably be called a letdown, so the logical follow-up is that this week's episode is probably one of the best thus far.

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So I watched the first episode and thought it was kind of self-assured, looking more pretentious than potential.

Can anyone tell me if the rest of the series is worth watching, without spoiling?

Grenge Di Origin:
Can anyone tell me if the rest of the series is worth watching, without spoiling?

I haven't caught the most recent two episodes, but to this point I've found that despite my best attempts to like it, I just really feel like it hasn't gone anywhere yet. Admittedly, I don't do a lot of TV watching in the first place, but I haven't found myself caring too much about any of the characters and there does seem to be anything to recommend it if you don't just want to see everything Marvel.

The Runaways? That's a stretch, even by adaptation standards. They can re-write anything they want, but being teenagers with trust issues is so ingrained in the premise that an optimistic 20 something would seem very out of place.

I mean, I get we're still reeling from "john" Blake, but god forbid she be an original character.

Falterfire:

Grenge Di Origin:
Can anyone tell me if the rest of the series is worth watching, without spoiling?

I haven't caught the most recent two episodes, but to this point I've found that despite my best attempts to like it, I just really feel like it hasn't gone anywhere yet. Admittedly, I don't do a lot of TV watching in the first place, but I haven't found myself caring too much about any of the characters and there does seem to be anything to recommend it if you don't just want to see everything Marvel.

The phrase "just want to see everything Marvel" alarms me. People shouldn't want to watch this show just because it's Marvel, they want to watch the show because it'd be something to be worth watching.

Has the show not done anything interesting? Has it introduced any heroes or plot points that look to be crucial in the main Marvel movies? Content is reputation, not the name, a fact that I fear the show has completely misunderstood. Are my fears founded?

Grenge Di Origin:
Has the show not done anything interesting? Has it introduced any heroes or plot points that look to be crucial in the main Marvel movies? Content is reputation, not the name, a fact that I fear the show has completely misunderstood. Are my fears founded?

Honestly you're probably better off just watching an episode or two (You can do so for free over on ABC's website) and judging for yourself. Personally I wasn't terribly impressed, and would not recommend the show as it stands, but your opinion may differ.

Okay, huge speculation here, but... It's been a running gag that Skye would always suggest that, when they found something unknown and super-powers related, she should suggest that it is telekinesis, and when shot down by Fitz/Simmons she would always argue that since it's just never been recorded, it could still be an undiscovered possibility.

She's been fighting for it pretty hard, yeah?
Wouldn't it be funny if THAT turned out to be her super power?

Just my guess.

Falterfire that was the case for ABC through the first half of the series, now they have changed their online policy now instead requiring you to provide a cable provider's proof of ownership. What a real chaff, I enjoyed what was there before, but luckily I've been catching them over at my parent's house as they actually come out. It is inconvenient but works out.

One more guess for Skye: Jessica Drew, Spider-Woman. She has one of the most absurdly convoluted, over-retconned backstories in all of Marvel (at one point, she believed that she was actually a common spider evolved-up into a humanoid-looking form by The High Evolutionary) but it usually involves receiving powers at a young age somewhere remote. She's been both a S.H.I.E.L.D and HYDRA agent, and also has connections to The Skrulls ("Chitauri" in the movieverse.)

Wait, can Marvel Studios do Spider-Woman? I kinda figured that, with her namesake, it would tie into the Spider-Man franchise bundle now being held by Sony (for now). Or is she one of those characters, like Namor, is in a gray area on who owns the rights? Either way, good theory.

And now I'm curious to see you cover Spider-Woman in a future Big Picture episode. If only to see you try to make sense of a character with an origin way more confusing that Supergirl's.

I really enjoyed this episode, although I'm nervous about Skye being the superhero on the team. Also a little disappointed that they went with the "lightning bolt causes superpowers" trope, but I've accepted worse.

Grenge Di Origin:
So I watched the first episode and thought it was kind of self-assured, looking more pretentious than potential.

Can anyone tell me if the rest of the series is worth watching, without spoiling?

As somebody who loves most of the Marvel movies (of the interconnected Marvel cinematic universe), I don't recommend AoS to people. I haven't seen or read anything that is likely to be a huge part of upcoming movies and nothing else justifies tuning in every week to watch it.

I started following it to keep up on all the happenings in the MCU, but was quickly dissatisfied with it after 3 episodes. I like to pop in here and read Bob's summary and speculation of each episode. This way I stay current on events and don't have to sit through or support the show.

Actually Spider-Woman has very little to do with Spider-Man, aside from similar names and costumes. She's been much more closely associated with the Avengers, SHIELD and SWORD in the comics.

Grenge Di Origin:

Falterfire:

Grenge Di Origin:
Can anyone tell me if the rest of the series is worth watching, without spoiling?

I haven't caught the most recent two episodes, but to this point I've found that despite my best attempts to like it, I just really feel like it hasn't gone anywhere yet. Admittedly, I don't do a lot of TV watching in the first place, but I haven't found myself caring too much about any of the characters and there does seem to be anything to recommend it if you don't just want to see everything Marvel.

The phrase "just want to see everything Marvel" alarms me. People shouldn't want to watch this show just because it's Marvel, they want to watch the show because it'd be something to be worth watching.

Has the show not done anything interesting? Has it introduced any heroes or plot points that look to be crucial in the main Marvel movies? Content is reputation, not the name, a fact that I fear the show has completely misunderstood. Are my fears founded?

To be fair, I believe they have introduced and expanded on a lot of elements that could tie in with the movies. Being light on the spoilers:
- Coulson is alive
- There are people with superpowers and advanced technology in the world (and the population keeps increasing)
- There is a secret organization that took over the turf of HYDRA and AIM (or maybe its one of those with a new name) and is growing to be a pretty formidable foe.

Any of these things could be interesting threads on their own, but given the smaller size and ambition of the series when compared with the movies, I don't know if we will ever see any of them being retroactively feed into the Marvel Cinema Universe.

For some reason, I'm not wild about the idea of Skye being Spider-Woman - not sure why, just don't like it. The Runaways, on the other hand, I believe is being greenlit as it's own movie. That to me would be a tricky franchise that would benefit from an inter-universe tie-in, and if Scarlett Witch's retconned origins and a possible Dr. Strange appearance means the introduction to full-on magic, I think Nico might be possible. My other thought that I'm not fond of but might be plausible is that she's just plain Asgardian. If one has already been living on Earth for centuries, who's to say another one hadn't come by?

I will say that I'm a little skeevy about Skye taking this so well, going so far as to pretty much make the full switch to SHIELD's side because "she was loved all along." I'm sorry, that's just too corny. Then again, Coulson going about a mission normally the split second after he found out two of his agents were having sex with each other tells me everyone in this universe is really hard to surprise in general.

Off that, I'm not familiar with Blizzard so it was a nice surprise and I'm kind've excited to think Centipede is building a roster of villains to hopefully unleash in the season finale.

Spider Woman would only be a great character reveal if she ended up having the same pheromone powers as in the comics. If only to see her order the Hulk to make her a sammich. Hulk like spider lady.

For some reason Sky made me think of Li Mei the one off "daughter" of the Manderin who was raised and protect by a Chinese clan. She's only in the one animated Iron Man movie, and a cameo elsewhere but I dunno might be interesting. I know the Manderin turned out to be a fraud but if he was based off of Chinese legend and mythos the true Manderin (at least the mystic reanimated version) could actually return. That would be really cool.

This show is dump. More dump than a cow dump.

I watched the first episode, with its big wow and was excited at the start. By the end I was like, 'hmmmm!, really?' I watched eps two, three and four, then stopped. It became torturous.

There's a few problems with it. The first of which is that this is a ABC show. In a world where all of the best tv is made for cable etc, doing this show with ABC was the worst move, ensuring that they can do a lot less with it, playing it safe. Don't be at all surprised that this is exactly why Marvel, rushed over to Netflix to strike up a deal, to make something a bit more adult via their Marvel Knights shows. This was rushed this through production and you can almost see the speed lines.

Secondly, having Josh Whedon do the honours was also a bad. He is the kiss of death to any show. Don't get me wrong, he's not without talent and is a nerd darling and all, but I don't think he's got a patch on Vince Gilligan. The only way Whedon can improve is to get away from doing anything nerd related. Go and see Netflix and do something totally new, Whedon. Who knows, you might get to a third season.

Last of all, I feel that Marvel are trying too hard to use this AoS series, as a kind of glue to link up their hero movies, which already sell enough on their own. Were it allowed to be its own thing, it would thrive more and not have to be so fan pandering.

Good luck to those that love to watch this mess, anyway.

So the answer to Coulson's mysterious resurrection is... he got resurrected? That's it? How underwhelming.
And no I don't think there's any reason for it other than "audiences like the guy".

Johnny Novgorod:
So the answer to Coulson's mysterious resurrection is... he got resurrected? That's it? How underwhelming.
And no I don't think there's any reason for it other than "audiences like the guy".

Yeah, it's actually a lot more complicated than that.

I still like the show, honestly. It doesn't take itself too seriously and it actually has gotten pretty dark, which is interesting. Still watching and still enjoying!

Kittyhawk:
This show is dump. More dump than a cow dump.

I watched the first episode, with its big wow and was excited at the start. By the end I was like, 'hmmmm!, really?' I watched eps two, three and four, then stopped. It became torturous.

There's a few problems with it. The first of which is that this is a ABC show. In a world where all of the best tv is made for cable etc, doing this show with ABC was the worst move, ensuring that they can do a lot less with it, playing it safe. Don't be at all surprised that this is exactly why Marvel, rushed over to Netflix to strike up a deal, to make something a bit more adult via their Marvel Knights shows. This was rushed this through production and you can almost see the speed lines.

Secondly, having Josh Whedon do the honours was also a bad. He is the kiss of death to any show. Don't get me wrong, he's not without talent and is a nerd darling and all, but I don't think he's got a patch on Vince Gilligan. The only way Whedon can improve is to get away from doing anything nerd related. Go and see Netflix and do something totally new, Whedon. Who knows, you might get to a third season.

Last of all, I feel that Marvel are trying too hard to use this AoS series, as a kind of glue to link up their hero movies, which already sell enough on their own. Were it allowed to be its own thing, it would thrive more and not have to be so fan pandering.

Good luck to those that love to watch this mess, anyway.

Marvel is owned by Disney, ABC is owned by Disney, Disney placed their first MCU based TV series on their most viewed and easiest accessed channel and it bombed. So the next series are going to Netflix which don't require as large an audience to be worth it while also hopefully for Marvel TV shows will appeal more to a comic audience.

Final ratings out and AoS sees another drop to the new second lowest viewership of 6.37 million. If after a 2 week break it sees another drop I wonder if it could drop below 5 million by series end?

episode/viewers in millions
01 - 12.12 ( pilot )
02 - 8.66
03 - 7.87
04 - 7.85
05 - 7.39
06 - 7.15
07 - 6.67
08 - 6.89
09 - 9.69 ( advertised as set after Thor: The Dark World )
10 - 6.11 ( fall season cliff hanger )
11 - 6.63 ( new year start )
12 - 6.37

12 episodes in and it hasn't stabilised yet.

Makabriel:

Johnny Novgorod:
So the answer to Coulson's mysterious resurrection is... he got resurrected? That's it? How underwhelming.
And no I don't think there's any reason for it other than "audiences like the guy".

Yeah, it's actually a lot more complicated than that.

Surgeons revived him and planted false memories. How's that a complicated explanation?

Skye SO needs to be Spiderwoman! :D
And I hope no one will leave, castwise... :(

why the 2 week break?
This is the second episode after the last break.

Ian Quinn first seemed genuinely surprised to get Coulson on the phone, and doesn't seems to know him.
But he does have a message from the Clairvoyant.

This makes me think that the Clairvoyant doesn't see/predict the future but is hyper aware of the present.
By eye-implant maybe, it wouldn't surprise me if Ian Quinn and/or other ring-leaders have one.

So I'm thinking Skye is in some way related to the Clairvoyant. Like maybe his daughter or something. Just seems like what the show would do with her.

In more interesting news Arrow the good superhero show that actually has villains and an interesting story (minus some CW drama)is back tonight.

AoS has just taken way too long to get rolling.

I'd bet that Skye an Inhuman and is Luna the Daughter of Quicksilver. Since they used Blizzard who is also an Inhuman. No sense in utilizing one Inhuman if you're not going to use more in the near future.

It seemed to me that Skye is being built as Summer Glau's character from Firefly. The whole show has seemed like a take on Firefly. The Bus == Serenity, Skye == River Tam, Coulson == Mal, May == Zoe. This one is just not nearly as good.

Again an entire episode where Simmons did nothing of note and where the dialogue would have been more significant to the characterisation of many of the characters involved if she was dead.

Lots of close attention to detail in this one. I like. Surprised you didn't comment on the shout-out to A.I.M. I didn't recognize his name but I figured Donny Gill might have been listening closely to that part of the lecture and hearing 'hai guiz if you don't like SHIELD there's other super-science acronyms in town you can be a part of'.

Also enjoying the slow reversal here as Coulson has drastically changed his standpoint from 'trust the system' after previous events while Skye goes the opposite way. We're not given any sort of itinerary but surely there must be a way to work in Skye going to classes at the SHIELD Communications Academy while also staying in contact with the team as an outside information source whenever some hacking needs doing.

Can't be sure if it was intentional, but the blue glow in Ian's eyes at the end might have been pointing to another eye implant. While I like continuity I hope this doesn't get to the point where every bad guy turns out to have one of those and is killed by the Clairivoyant if they are caught.

10 more episodes? How's that work? Not a TV buff but I thought the formula was 13 per season.

Yes, I know Marvel, Disney and ABC are all different parts of the same sandwich corp.

WhiteFangofWar:
10 more episodes? How's that work? Not a TV buff but I thought the formula was 13 per season.

22 per season is the norm, 13 is often the original order. AoS's first order was 8, extended straight to 22.

I like to check in every now and then to see how this show is doing. I stopped watching after the first 5 episodes because I hated the characters. I really wanted to like this show so I keep checking to see if it's any better. My most hated character getting super powers is not a good sign...

sneakypenguin:
In more interesting news Arrow the good superhero show that actually has villains and an interesting story (minus some CW drama)is back tonight.

AoS has just taken way too long to get rolling.

Oh really? Didn't realize it was back tonight. I am extremely excited after the big reveals of the first half of this season. Arrow took a long time to start getting good too (not this long though and even before that it at least at glimpses of awesomeness) so I was still hoping that this show could pull off the same thing. After last night's reveal though, I think my hopes of that are pretty much gone.

Grenge Di Origin:
So I watched the first episode and thought it was kind of self-assured, looking more pretentious than potential.

Can anyone tell me if the rest of the series is worth watching, without spoiling?

I think Movie Bob hit it on the head when he said it felt like an awkward Whedon show. Just like all his others, the first half of the season has been swing and a miss, but it has done so much world building that the second half of the season could get crazy.

I like Whedon's shows, but like Dollhouse and Firefly he never has an "OMG did you watch this one particular episode!?" (no I'm not saying Firefly is as bad as Agents) Once you put them all together though, it paints a really cool picture. The problem is that there is no established point to any of it yet. Bob was talking about how Gravitron existed, but I had completely forgot because the show doesn't care to remind us that by this point there are like 5 superheroes. Currently the show's reason for being is simply "because Marvel," so I'm really looking forward to a solid declared story arc. At least that's my opinion.

Granted this is just my opinion... :)

I enjoy this show for what it is, and also enjoy the way they continue to build the over-arching comic book world. There has never been anything in television or movies like this before. It's like seeing the comic world come to life. Just like that comic book world, where the stories occasionally gave a nod to another superhero (Spiderman often gave nods to other superheros also in New York City for example), you can literally just pick up at any place in the series and you will get a bit of the big picture. But just like the comic world, if you want to truly understand you have to go back and watch (or read!) from the beginning. It's awesome

Personally, as a lifelong comic book fan I love the little fan service these movies and Agent of Shield throw in there. It's harmless, it doesn't take away from the story nor is it distracting to those that remain unaware of the inside information. I honestly don't even think the majority of people watching knew who Donnie Gill is or that he was Blizzard (a nice, not too obscure villian in the mythos).

I like Arrow as well, but there really aren't that many shows that are worth my time to watch. This is a great time in movies and television to get to see the comic heroes we grew up reading about in the way they were meant to be seen. Yeah it might not please everyone with every decision, but all in all I think the Marvel material has been handled pretty well. I'm even getting excited about the Ant-Man movie...and I've never liked that character (always thought he was a pompous douche-canoe version of Tony Stark).

This one gets my time at the moment, and there are still a few hours in the week left for the return of Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead ;)

So if we were to guess at likely comic counterparts to Skye, knowing what we know now?

Mantis - pre GoG, pre cosmic, pre green, original flavor Mantis from the Avengers. Half Vietnamese orphan with cosmic destiny. Ties to Zodiac.
Carmella Black Scorpion - secret daughter of AIM Scientist Supreme Monica Rapaccinni, this one matches up to sky in a lot of ways, and could have some interesting possibilities. She is a sub D list Marvel character who has only appeared a handful of times. She is of Asian extraction (Madripoor in the comic universe), she was a secret AIM experiment given over to adoption, only late discovering that her mother was the leader of AIM. She is a low level super powered SHIELD special operative, and her father is George Tarleton, later evolved into MODOK.
Nico Minoru, Runaways - unlikely. Magic using Japanese goth chick, daughter of super villains. Doesn't fit in well to AoS and Marvel has been talking up a Runaways project for ages. She would be crucial to that.
Jessica Drew, Spider Woman - unlikely. Too associated with Avengers these days. Too associated with tight spandex. Too convoluted of a backstory. If we see her it will be as an Avenger.
Zuzha Yu, Puck 2, Alpha Flight - half Chinese super powered daughter of the Marvel character Peter Dinklage should have been tapped to play, Alpha Flights Puck. Honestly a virtually unknown fairly un memorable character. Even the most die hard Marvel Zombies would be scratching their heads over this one. Unlikely that the writers of AiS have even heard of this character.

My 2c for leading contender. Carmilla Black, Scorpion. SHIELD Civilian special agent. AIM, MODOK, right age. If Skye is any existing ?Marvel character I would bet this one.

As far as a new character? Maybe Asgardian or more likely Vanaheim (Hogun's people from Thor movies)?

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