Escape to the Movies: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit

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Primus1985:
Thats all Bob has to say about Johnny Depp as Doctor Strange? I thought Bob would be on my side in seeing that would be horrible, the worst thing to ever happen to that character.

Guess I was wrong.

While I am very skeptical of the decision myself, I must admit that Johnny Depp has a great range and can really act when he wants to. He could be a great Doctor Strange if he decides to be. He could play almost any character great if he decided to. It's just that sometimes what he thinks is great is very different from what everyone else thinks is great.

My worry is, in essence, that the character is Doctor Strange. I think the name alone could send Depp wildly off into very bad territory.

lady kong is hot :V

Pains me to see actors I like in bad films.

(Liking Keira Knightly and the guy who was in the Chamber of Secrets and Opening Olympic Ceremony (it is him, right?)

Do we need another version of Jason Bourne, let alone one adapted from Tom "Salute The American Flag, Say The Pledge Of Allegiance Six Times Per Day" Clancy? Nothing wrong with the guy, but I'm just saying maybe we could get our spy fiction from somewhere more subtle. Something that focuses on the cloak-and-dagger fictional wetwork spy junk.

Alarien:

faefrost:

Alarien:
Clancy. ::sigh::

Clancy was great when he still felt relevant, back in the mid 1980s through the early 1990s. Back when there was still an actual Cold War and the potential (however remote) for a true superpowers war. Red Storm Rising was some great Clancy war-imagination at work. The Hunt for Red October was interesting and contextually relevant. It wasn't until Clancy went off of the Cold War into things like Clear and Present Danger that he started to feel less ... interesting, despite that being a pretty good book overall. I gave up around Executive Decision.

I just don't think that Clancy really transitioned out of the Cold War era particularly well. When we start invoking his name for things like H.A.W.X. (which was, admittedly, an amusing game), it just starts to feel like generic name-branding, which, frankly, it was.

Now we feel the need to reboot Ryan? What? I wasn't even aware of this until this video and I can't be more... well... if my eyes rolled anymore, I'd probably give myself vertigo.

Actually He co wrote Red Storm Rising. Most of the global political and War Simulation stuff that made that book so great came from the co-auther Larry Bond (who wrote a few very good similar books on his own). Clancy did more the character work. (Show of hands, who remembers any of the characters from Red Storm Rising?)

While I agree with Bob that this one looks like a turd. And trying to turn a character who is supposed to be a behind the scenes technical operator into James Bond or Jason Bourne is horrible, this review once again suffers horribly from Bob's heavy handed injection of personal politics. Which is sadly becoming a heavier and heavier trend with Bob.

Huh, I didn't know Larry Bond had anything to do with Red Storm Rising, however, that's not actually advertised anywhere. Is he actually even credited anywhere with it? Doesn't really surprise me, but it is pretty lame to co-write something and not give credit.

Pretty lol moment realizing that I sorta remember the characters in that book, but no names.

Red Storm Rising was before Larry Bond started writing successful and well known books on his own. My dogeared copy lists him as the co author on the inside title page. But not on the cover. I am not sure where else it might appear in other versions. When he did begin writing his own stuff fully it was advertised as from the Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising co author as well. So it's not like he gained nothing from the partnership.

Eh, didn't except it to do anything else than suck, as it looked generic from the trailer.
However I am so damn glad that they butchered the Jack Ryan character, as he stopped being even remotely tolerable around Clear and Present Danger. He's the penultimate Gary Stu character, and why Clancy just didn't name him Tom Jesus Ryan, of Nazareth, is beyond me.

Oh, that's Kenneth Branagh as the bad guy? The commercials whizzed by so fast I was never sure who that was, and my best guess was Jeremy Renner. Good to know.

Or, well, I guess it's not good to know because I don't intend to see the movie, but you know what I mean.

The Great JT:
Do we need another version of Jason Bourne, let alone one adapted from Tom "Salute The American Flag, Say The Pledge Of Allegiance Six Times Per Day" Clancy? Nothing wrong with the guy, but I'm just saying maybe we could get our spy fiction from somewhere more subtle. Something that focuses on the cloak-and-dagger fictional wetwork spy junk.

Which his early work did. It seems like that you know nothing of the guy at all. Don't trust everything that ZP says about him. It has never been clear on how much Tom Clancy was involed with the video game bearing his name. Hell, he sold the right of his name to Ubisoft in 2008. It has been known, that a lot of his later worked was ghostwritten by other writers.

Stop trying to make Chris Pine happen. He is not going to happen.

themilo504:
I'm curious if moviebob knows that saxton hale is a parody of unstoppable badass characters.

No, Saxton Hale is not a parody of anything, he is a completely serious, down the line representation of an above average Australian.

Any conclusion is madness, pure hat-less madness.

Aughhhh, let's just hope they never make a Rainbow Six movie. Don't get me wrong, the games were fantastic, but the book was easily one of the worst (if not the worst) thing Clancy has ever written. From an author who can usually slap together decent, suspenseful political thrillers it was utterly cringe-worthy in terms of both plot and characterization.

Bittersteel:
Which his early work did. It seems like that you know nothing of the guy at all. Don't trust everything that ZP says about him. It has never been clear on how much Tom Clancy was involed with the video game bearing his name. Hell, he sold the right of his name to Ubisoft in 2008. It has been known, that a lot of his later worked was ghostwritten by other writers.

This just in from Ubisoft. Look forward to their new title releasing this fall: Tom Clancy's: Ghost Writers!

Yeah the instant I see any trailer with Chris Pine in it, I'm like, "And there goes another 50 million dollars. Money well wasted." I just can't muster any like for him. He's a 2nd tier substitute captain for the highschool football team. He has the emotional range of a patient under sedation. He has the likability of a wall erected right across your busiest highway to work. The National Academy of Sciences just announced a new element has surpassed diamond on the Mohl's scale of density. They are having extreme difficulty mining any of the substance from Pine's face muscles.

Okay, I got that out of my system.

Thanks for the reading recommends you guys. I'll look out for Without Remorse sometime soon, but I have a huge backlog of reading to get through.

spwatkins:

Don't forget Anna Karenina.

Lol, I was just talking to someone in another thread (the Movie Bob review of this I think). Is it always a mistake to give the movie a title that is just a character's name. No, I think not. Except maybe in this case (Jack Ryan coming on the heels of Jack Reacher). I actually had to jog my memory about that one.

I'll have to check Anna Karenina out too if you suggest it.

josemlopes:
I know that Chris Pine isnt that great but he was good in Smokin Aces so at least lets give him some credit to that.

This scene is a bit on the spoiler side but its the best one I can find on Youtube

Yeah, he was hardly recognizable in that, and the single most memorable character for me.

This little movie, Carriers (2009) was very good, very interesting. Not a horror movie but a character study and he was fine in it.

Rawbeard:
Stop trying to make Chris Pine happen. He is not going to happen.

But if Chrise Pine makes enough shitty movies somebody will make him a real boy!

Do Her.

Er, do the movie Her. Heard some interesting things and was kind of looking forward to it this week.

The only Jack Ryan movie I ever really LOVED was The Hunt for Red October.

Now, I've watched all the other ones and agree that if you want to make an action movie out of the Clancy-verse just drop Ryan into the background and make the John Clark movie. He was far and away the best part of The Sum of All Fears, and I loved him as slightly unhinged in Clear and Present Danger.

Wait... Saying that the plot sounds like if Cotton Hill rewrote the plot of Saints Row 4 is an insult to Cotton Hill! That man took out fitty men! He traveled all the way to Japan, just for the chance to spit in a major Japanese officials face! And even if his 'finale' within the series felt like an undoing of his character growth up until that point (he loves Bobby despite seeming like his complete opposite, grudgingly starts to respect Peggy, and even begins to accept Hank as a son).

I'd kill to see that man rewrite the plot of Saints Row 4, at least in its own spinoff.

Bittersteel:

The Great JT:
Do we need another version of Jason Bourne, let alone one adapted from Tom "Salute The American Flag, Say The Pledge Of Allegiance Six Times Per Day" Clancy? Nothing wrong with the guy, but I'm just saying maybe we could get our spy fiction from somewhere more subtle. Something that focuses on the cloak-and-dagger fictional wetwork spy junk.

Which his early work did. It seems like that you know nothing of the guy at all. Don't trust everything that ZP says about him. It has never been clear on how much Tom Clancy was involed with the video game bearing his name. Hell, he sold the right of his name to Ubisoft in 2008. It has been known, that a lot of his later worked was ghostwritten by other writers.

All of Tom Clancy's work after Clear and Present Danger is gripping but ultimately extremely unsubtle in its political opinions. I draw the line there because Clear and Present Danger was reflexive enough to critique the USA's Latin American adventures. Beyond that point, every country on the planet is suddenly scheming against America and they deserve it when Ryan/Clarke stomp on their faces. Most of the opponents at home become secret Arab terrorists or liberal bogeymen.

Shamanic Rhythm:

Bittersteel:

The Great JT:
Do we need another version of Jason Bourne, let alone one adapted from Tom "Salute The American Flag, Say The Pledge Of Allegiance Six Times Per Day" Clancy? Nothing wrong with the guy, but I'm just saying maybe we could get our spy fiction from somewhere more subtle. Something that focuses on the cloak-and-dagger fictional wetwork spy junk.

Which his early work did. It seems like that you know nothing of the guy at all. Don't trust everything that ZP says about him. It has never been clear on how much Tom Clancy was involed with the video game bearing his name. Hell, he sold the right of his name to Ubisoft in 2008. It has been known, that a lot of his later worked was ghostwritten by other writers.

All of Tom Clancy's work after Clear and Present Danger is gripping but ultimately extremely unsubtle in its political opinions. I draw the line there because Clear and Present Danger was reflexive enough to critique the USA's Latin American adventures. Beyond that point, every country on the planet is suddenly scheming against America and they deserve it when Ryan/Clarke stomp on their faces. Most of the opponents at home become secret Arab terrorists or liberal bogeymen.

I have so far only read two of his novels: The Cardinal of the Kremlin and The Sum of all fears. What I really enjoyed with the latter one, was that for 90% of the book, Jack Ryan doesn't know about the terrorist attack. Most of the book is focused on how the bomb is built and on Jack Ryans personal life. It is a perfect thriller for the early 90s, when many terrorist group had to come to term that they have lost (like the RAF) the cold war.

Bittersteel:

I have so far only read two of his novels: The Cardinal of the Kremlin and The Sum of all fears. What I really enjoyed with the latter one, was that for 90% of the book, Jack Ryan doesn't know about the terrorist attack. Most of the book is focused on how the bomb is built and on Jack Ryans personal life. It is a perfect thriller for the early 90s, when many terrorist group had to come to term that they have lost (like the RAF) the cold war.

Um... Terrorist groups had to come to terms with losing the Cold War? The terrorists in the novel are from the Palestinean Liberation Front, so to lump them in as part of the side that 'lost' the Cold War is very naive.

I know MovieBob is questioning just what audience this (and other "brand-name reboots for this generation") is intended for, but my closest guess is hipsters. And not just any hipsters, but the specific kind of hipster that doesn't give a shit about putting any effort into anything, and demands all of their entertainment to not give a shit about what they're doing too.

Y'know what I'm talking about. How movies like "The Lone Ranger" and "Star Trek: Into Darkness" all try to be "Darker and Edgier" without ACTUALLY doing anything really Dark and Edgy (in the sense it doesn't inspire legitimate horror or tragedy, but just plain apathy), while only referencing original plot elements to laugh in a "haha, that's SO lame because it's old", even though the new generation would probably get more entertainment out of that old stuff compared to the absolute nothingness the new films offer.

So yeah, "brand name reboots of the 21st Century (except Marvel)" are designed for hipsters. And not in a "by hipsters, for hipsters" way, but in a "by corporate dumbasses who think the hipsters are a hot market, for hipsters".

Edit:
Oh, and also, the guys making this didn't try to put any effort into making the movies. That too.

Barbas:
Nobody walks away from a helicopter crash like that. Nobody.

Except Toreno.

Or Santa Christ.

On a side note- we need movie about Santa Christ.

Shamanic Rhythm:

Bittersteel:

I have so far only read two of his novels: The Cardinal of the Kremlin and The Sum of all fears. What I really enjoyed with the latter one, was that for 90% of the book, Jack Ryan doesn't know about the terrorist attack. Most of the book is focused on how the bomb is built and on Jack Ryans personal life. It is a perfect thriller for the early 90s, when many terrorist group had to come to term that they have lost (like the RAF) the cold war.

Um... Terrorist groups had to come to terms with losing the Cold War? The terrorists in the novel are from the Palestinean Liberation Front, so to lump them in as part of the side that 'lost' the Cold War is very naive.

It is true that they were the main bad guys in that book, but former RAF helped them out as they were butthurt over the lost of the cold war, that they helped them out. the PLO dudes are also mad over a peace deal that doesn't (shockingly) wiped the state of Israel from the face of the planet.

"Freedom sense"
Pffft. That was a good joke.

1. Ride Along $41.2M
2. Lone Survivor $23.2M
3. The Nut Job $20.6M
4. Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit $17.2M

Looks like Jack Ryan was a "shadow" at the box office this weekend.

Jonny Depp as Strange....hhhmm..I'd prefer Little Finger from GoT.

Oh good, Bob doesn't like it. That means it's actually good. I need to hurry out and go see this.

I figured the movie would be forgetable after i saw the title and poster, Jack Ryan has to be the most generic name for a hero and yet they chose to throw it on the poster front and center.

MDSnowman:
The only Jack Ryan movie I ever really LOVED was The Hunt for Red October.

Now, I've watched all the other ones and agree that if you want to make an action movie out of the Clancy-verse just drop Ryan into the background and make the John Clark movie. He was far and away the best part of The Sum of All Fears, and I loved him as slightly unhinged in Clear and Present Danger.

This clark was the muscle guy the killer, ryan was not the main action guy in the books outside a bit here and there and generally when he had no other choice of doing anything else.

Red october was the only good clancy movie. hated ford in the the role, clancy hated ford in the role.

trying to make jack ryan into jack bauer, or jack reacher or jason bourne is just so mind numbingly not what the books were like.

Gorfias:

spwatkins:

Don't forget Anna Karenina.

Lol, I was just talking to someone in another thread (the Movie Bob review of this I think). Is it always a mistake to give the movie a title that is just a character's name. No, I think not. Except maybe in this case (Jack Ryan coming on the heels of Jack Reacher). I actually had to jog my memory about that one.

I'll have to check Anna Karenina out too if you suggest it.

josemlopes:
I know that Chris Pine isnt that great but he was good in Smokin Aces so at least lets give him some credit to that.

This scene is a bit on the spoiler side but its the best one I can find on Youtube

Yeah, he was hardly recognizable in that, and the single most memorable character for me.

This little movie, Carriers (2009) was very good, very interesting. Not a horror movie but a character study and he was fine in it.

"Recommend" would be too strong for Anna Karenina - I was just trying to fill out the list of recent movies in which she has acted. The movie was kind of artsy and stilted but the sets were very pretty.

When did Johnny Depp go from one of the greatest actors of our generation to "Oh god, no. Depp will ruin everything!?" Based on some of the reactions I've seen to him POSSIBLY playing Dr. Strange you'd think he'd written, directed and starred in a film of just him in a chair giving us the finger and making fart noises for two hours (which should be called InDeppth Analysis)

I remember him being really really good, then Pirates of the Coffee Bean came out and he was still considered good there for his wacky, energetic, and likable performance...

So I guess it just came sometime after that with all the Tim Burton movies and stupid hats and over the top characters, people just forgot that Depp could still play engaging, interesting, and serious characters. From Hell is a pretty good example of this (not the best movie out there, but he was good in it) or a post Jack Sparrow role I'd like to point to Public Enemies.

I love Dr. Strange, and I'm not going to be saying Johnny Depp is like the perfect actor to play him or anything, but as long as he plays the character the way the character is supposed to be, I think he'd be really good in the role. It helps that he already looks a lot like him.

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