Gun Nutella

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Xan Krieger:
I hate how COD is creating a generation of kids who think they know everything about guns but in reality don't know crap. My neighbor told me the PPSH-41 was an assault rifle. The worst part was he was totally serious. It's one of the world's most famous submachine guns. I was so pissed at him especially when I laid out why he was wrong and he refused to believe me because he figured the people who made the game knew better than me.

Well, to be honest I'd say based on it's size and appearance it can blur the distinction. If I had seen one without knowing much about it, I probably wouldn't have called it an SMG either given the relative size and handling of current SMGs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPSh-41

Picture of one on display, size compared to a uniform shirt there.

To be totally honest while you are right, I wouldn't get all that upset about it, to be honest one would expect the guys doing research for a really successful game franchise, to the point of modeling them (presumably) based on real ones to have the basic facts straight. Off the cuff if I had to trust some guy that I didn't know, or a gaming company that went so far as to model something, when it comes to basic info like that, I'd side with the gaming company for information as well. I'd be wrong, just saying it's understandable enough not to get upset over.

Personally I only know as much as I do about vintage firearms (which probably isn't much) from playing and GMing lots of PnP RPGs including settings like "Godlike" and "Weird World War II". The former being a World War II era super hero game, and the latter being a sort of campy "horror" game which I in turn took ideas from for my own mash ups and creations. Truthfully while "famous" to an extent I don't think knowledge about 1940s Soviet firearms, even one that survived decades as surplus, can exactly be considered common.

Suffice to say I'm laughing at every sentence that starts with the word, "actually."

F**k the gun, just give me the Nutella.

Pfft, don't really care if you know the vocabulary, whats important is weather or not you know how to properly hold, fire and maintain a firearm. You can call a shell a bullet all you want, it doesn't change what it is.

You know the saying "you can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?"

For example, If you know the difference between a mag and a clip, but call on Captain Hook to do your shooting...

... please remove yourself from the range, nobody is impressed.

Nice one!

I got a pretty good reaction from a friend of mine, while not an enthusiast per se, definitely took some pride in his knowledge of firearms, when I wrote a story and referenced a shotgun shell. First to admit I know little about guns, but I had no idea until that conversation how sensitive people can be about terminology with those things. Like, even non-enthusiasts are kind of anal about it to surprising degrees.

Realitycrash:
..The joke is that a "assault gun" doesn't exist and a shotgun fires shells, not bullets, right?
It might seem obvious to some of you, but I know little about guns, and thus I am unsure if I got the joke or not.

"Assault gun" isn't a thing. There's assault rifles, and bloviating liberals like to pretend that "assault style weapons" actually means something when really it's just civilian variants of commonly available weapons that are modified to look scary. So liberals then try to jam legislation through congress, disrespecting the democratic process, which typically ends up being bills which ban modifications for guns which tends to be related to ergonomics. You know, things like barrel shrouds, flash hiders (which the US armed forces has pointed out is more useful for protecting the user's eye sight when used in low light environments more than anything else) and forward grips. Heck, the assault gun ban made the hand gun's weight a legal definition for "assault weapon."

Shotguns fire shells, which contain many smaller BB's. In a sense it'd be accurate to say they hold MANY bullets, but its accurate to just say shells.

To my knowledge, there is no assault rifle which is loaded using a clip. Assault rifles almost always use detachable magazines to load. If you've played a WW2 shooter, you've probably used the M1 Garand, the Lee Ensfield, or the Mosin Nagant. These are three examples of clip (or stripper clip) fed rifles.

Therumancer:

Xan Krieger:
I hate how COD is creating a generation of kids who think they know everything about guns but in reality don't know crap. My neighbor told me the PPSH-41 was an assault rifle. The worst part was he was totally serious. It's one of the world's most famous submachine guns. I was so pissed at him especially when I laid out why he was wrong and he refused to believe me because he figured the people who made the game knew better than me.

Well, to be honest I'd say based on it's size and appearance it can blur the distinction. If I had seen one without knowing much about it, I probably wouldn't have called it an SMG either given the relative size and handling of current SMGs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPSh-41

Picture of one on display, size compared to a uniform shirt there.

To be totally honest while you are right, I wouldn't get all that upset about it, to be honest one would expect the guys doing research for a really successful game franchise, to the point of modeling them (presumably) based on real ones to have the basic facts straight. Off the cuff if I had to trust some guy that I didn't know, or a gaming company that went so far as to model something, when it comes to basic info like that, I'd side with the gaming company for information as well. I'd be wrong, just saying it's understandable enough not to get upset over.

Personally I only know as much as I do about vintage firearms (which probably isn't much) from playing and GMing lots of PnP RPGs including settings like "Godlike" and "Weird World War II". The former being a World War II era super hero game, and the latter being a sort of campy "horror" game which I in turn took ideas from for my own mash ups and creations. Truthfully while "famous" to an extent I don't think knowledge about 1940s Soviet firearms, even one that survived decades as surplus, can exactly be considered common.

The issue is these kids help perpetrate all kinds of bad stereotypes. If you're going to make grown adults ask if you're a psychotic killer in training, you may as well be knowledgeable about your hobby, rather than just a poser.

The PPSH-41 meets none of the basic criteria of an assault rifle except for a detachable magazine. And COD's made many mistakes and fudged many guns classifications. They also called BAR's in World at War a machine gun.

acosn:

Realitycrash:
..The joke is that a "assault gun" doesn't exist and a shotgun fires shells, not bullets, right?
It might seem obvious to some of you, but I know little about guns, and thus I am unsure if I got the joke or not.

"Assault gun" isn't a thing. There's assault rifles, and bloviating liberals like to pretend that "assault style weapons" actually means something when really it's just civilian variants of commonly available weapons that are modified to look scary. So liberals then try to jam legislation through congress, disrespecting the democratic process, which typically ends up being bills which ban modifications for guns which tends to be related to ergonomics. You know, things like barrel shrouds, flash hiders (which the US armed forces has pointed out is more useful for protecting the user's eye sight when used in low light environments more than anything else) and forward grips. Heck, the assault gun ban made the hand gun's weight a legal definition for "assault weapon."

Shotguns fire shells, which contain many smaller BB's. In a sense it'd be accurate to say they hold MANY bullets, but its accurate to just say shells.

To my knowledge, there is no assault rifle which is loaded using a clip. Assault rifles almost always use detachable magazines to load. If you've played a WW2 shooter, you've probably used the M1 Garand, the Lee Ensfield, or the Mosin Nagant. These are three examples of clip (or stripper clip) fed rifles.

Therumancer:

Xan Krieger:
I hate how COD is creating a generation of kids who think they know everything about guns but in reality don't know crap. My neighbor told me the PPSH-41 was an assault rifle. The worst part was he was totally serious. It's one of the world's most famous submachine guns. I was so pissed at him especially when I laid out why he was wrong and he refused to believe me because he figured the people who made the game knew better than me.

Well, to be honest I'd say based on it's size and appearance it can blur the distinction. If I had seen one without knowing much about it, I probably wouldn't have called it an SMG either given the relative size and handling of current SMGs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPSh-41

Picture of one on display, size compared to a uniform shirt there.

To be totally honest while you are right, I wouldn't get all that upset about it, to be honest one would expect the guys doing research for a really successful game franchise, to the point of modeling them (presumably) based on real ones to have the basic facts straight. Off the cuff if I had to trust some guy that I didn't know, or a gaming company that went so far as to model something, when it comes to basic info like that, I'd side with the gaming company for information as well. I'd be wrong, just saying it's understandable enough not to get upset over.

Personally I only know as much as I do about vintage firearms (which probably isn't much) from playing and GMing lots of PnP RPGs including settings like "Godlike" and "Weird World War II". The former being a World War II era super hero game, and the latter being a sort of campy "horror" game which I in turn took ideas from for my own mash ups and creations. Truthfully while "famous" to an extent I don't think knowledge about 1940s Soviet firearms, even one that survived decades as surplus, can exactly be considered common.

The issue is these kids help perpetrate all kinds of bad stereotypes. If you're going to make grown adults ask if you're a psychotic killer in training, you may as well be knowledgeable about your hobby, rather than just a poser.

The PPSH-41 meets none of the basic criteria of an assault rifle except for a detachable magazine. And COD's made many mistakes and fudged many guns classifications. They also called BAR's in World at War a machine gun.

The BAR is a machine gun. it was often deployed as a squad machine gun in WW2.

Always ask teammates if they find clips for your glockazine.

Hey guys. Stop for a second. I've run out of pills for my noisy pain machine.

And the truth comes out:
Gun nuts are just another sect of nerds.

Daystar Clarion:
The fact someone had to explain the joke makes me weep for this site...

You guys.

You use to be cool.

T^T

Hey I got part of the joke...

To be fair though, living in a country with tight gun control laws kinda kills all interest on the subject.

I mean, who needs guns to fight the government when you can smash the minister's head in with a house-brick?

Therumancer:

To be totally honest while you are right, I wouldn't get all that upset about it, to be honest one would expect the guys doing research for a really successful game franchise, to the point of modeling them (presumably) based on real ones to have the basic facts straight. Off the cuff if I had to trust some guy that I didn't know, or a gaming company that went so far as to model something, when it comes to basic info like that, I'd side with the gaming company for information as well. I'd be wrong, just saying it's understandable enough not to get upset over.

He knows me and knows I love guns. He personally owns an AK-47, we even bayonet charged an empty case of beer (he's 19 and I'm just a few weeks short of being 24 so only I can do the drinking). I couldn't believe COD would derp something like that since the gun has been in the series since the very first game.

Fapmaster5000:

Realitycrash:
..The joke is that a "assault gun" doesn't exist and a shotgun fires shells, not bullets, right?
It might seem obvious to some of you, but I know little about guns, and thus I am unsure if I got the joke or not.

To explain:

Shotguns usually fire "shells" (or "slugs"), not "bullets". A "clip" is a device used to hold ammunition together to aid in feeding the weapon. A "magazine" is similar, but contains a feeding mechanism (such as a spring-loaded follower) to feed the weapon.

Clip means this:

Magazine means this:

More amusing is the "assault gun" joke, since an "Assault Rifle" would mean something like this:

Whereas, an "Assault Gun" looks more like this:

Hope that helps the non-gun people here.

EDIT: Beaten to the punch by Mystic. *Shakes fist*

Thank you! I was genuinely curious about the clip/magazine difference, though my military enthusiast friends corrected me long ago that 'magazine' was the correct term for what modern rifles use.

Also, I liked your picture post!

Norithics:
And the truth comes out:
Gun nuts are just another sect of nerds.

That's always been the case lol. There's endless flame wars in the gun forums. Example: 9mm vs .45 always causes some mayhem.

Boba Frag:

Fapmaster5000:

Realitycrash:
..The joke is that a "assault gun" doesn't exist and a shotgun fires shells, not bullets, right?
It might seem obvious to some of you, but I know little about guns, and thus I am unsure if I got the joke or not.

To explain:

Shotguns usually fire "shells" (or "slugs"), not "bullets". A "clip" is a device used to hold ammunition together to aid in feeding the weapon. A "magazine" is similar, but contains a feeding mechanism (such as a spring-loaded follower) to feed the weapon.

Clip means this:

Magazine means this:

More amusing is the "assault gun" joke, since an "Assault Rifle" would mean something like this:

Whereas, an "Assault Gun" looks more like this:

Hope that helps the non-gun people here.

EDIT: Beaten to the punch by Mystic. *Shakes fist*

Thank you! I was genuinely curious about the clip/magazine difference, though my military enthusiast friends corrected me long ago that 'magazine' was the correct term for what modern rifles use.

Also, I liked your picture post!

You're welcome!

Kennetic:

Norithics:
And the truth comes out:
Gun nuts are just another sect of nerds.

That's always been the case lol. There's endless flame wars in the gun forums. Example: 9mm vs .45 always causes some mayhem.

See also:


    AK-47 versus M16
    5.56x45 vs 7.62 NATO
    1911A1, Gift from God or Triumph of Mankind?
    Any time someone mentions the words "Desert Eagle" or, worse, "Deagle". (There will be tears of blood)
    Putting plastic furniture on guns designed for wood furniture.
    Tacticool rail-mounted insanity (High speed, low drag!)

I think that about covers the insta-troll topics.

Norithics:
And the truth comes out:
Gun nuts are just another sect of nerds.

Yep, and that was a big part of the inspiration for this LoadingReadyRun video. The guy who wrote the initial script talks about it at the end of this podcast. Nearly everyone is a geek about something, whether it's sports, video games, guns, or anime.

Kennetic:

That's always been the case lol. There's endless flame wars in the gun forums. Example: 9mm vs .45 always causes some mayhem.

Yep. Colion Noir made a good set of satire videos on the subject:


UNHchabo:

Norithics:
And the truth comes out:
Gun nuts are just another sect of nerds.

Yep, and that was a big part of the inspiration for this LoadingReadyRun video. The guy who wrote the initial script talks about it at the end of this podcast. Nearly everyone is a geek about something, whether it's sports, video games, guns, or anime.

Kennetic:

That's always been the case lol. There's endless flame wars in the gun forums. Example: 9mm vs .45 always causes some mayhem.

Yep. Colion Noir made a good set of satire videos on the subject:


Yea I've seen those and I'm excited for his "People who carry .40" as I hate .40 cal.

The old art style is nice but I like this one better.

Erin's face in the third panel is adorkable and also very punchable at the same time.

Realitycrash:
..The joke is that a "assault gun" doesn't exist and a shotgun fires shells, not bullets, right?
It might seem obvious to some of you, but I know little about guns, and thus I am unsure if I got the joke or not.

You also missed how she's talking about "clips" when she actually means "magazines".

I love this.

I have a LOT of far right-wing gun nut family, and they go...
BALLISTIC...

When you mess up this kind of stuff.

Fapmaster5000:

Boba Frag:

Fapmaster5000:

To explain:

Shotguns usually fire "shells" (or "slugs"), not "bullets". A "clip" is a device used to hold ammunition together to aid in feeding the weapon. A "magazine" is similar, but contains a feeding mechanism (such as a spring-loaded follower) to feed the weapon.

Clip means this:

Magazine means this:

More amusing is the "assault gun" joke, since an "Assault Rifle" would mean something like this:

Whereas, an "Assault Gun" looks more like this:

Hope that helps the non-gun people here.

EDIT: Beaten to the punch by Mystic. *Shakes fist*

Thank you! I was genuinely curious about the clip/magazine difference, though my military enthusiast friends corrected me long ago that 'magazine' was the correct term for what modern rifles use.

Also, I liked your picture post!

You're welcome!

Kennetic:

Norithics:
And the truth comes out:
Gun nuts are just another sect of nerds.

That's always been the case lol. There's endless flame wars in the gun forums. Example: 9mm vs .45 always causes some mayhem.

See also:


    AK-47 versus M16
    5.56x45 vs 7.62 NATO
    1911A1, Gift from God or Triumph of Mankind?
    Any time someone mentions the words "Desert Eagle" or, worse, "Deagle". (There will be tears of blood)
    Putting plastic furniture on guns designed for wood furniture.
    Tacticool rail-mounted insanity (High speed, low drag!)

I think that about covers the insta-troll topics.

Oh, wow.... I can only imagine Grey Carter scribbling furiously once your post went up :P

Your username had me in hysterics, btw.

Gun enthusiast? I am SO freekin' tempted to quote George Carlin right now. Those of you who are true fans of Mr. Carlin know which joke I'm thinking of...

I thought Erin's trolling itself was better in On Reviews, but her trollface is better in this issue.

acosn:
To my knowledge, there is no assault rifle which is loaded using a clip. Assault rifles almost always use detachable magazines to load.

Isn't that part of the definition of assault rifle, that it uses a detachable magazine?

The old art style is nice but I like this one better.

Erin's face in the third panel is adorkable and also very punchable at the same time.

thaluikhain:

acosn:
To my knowledge, there is no assault rifle which is loaded using a clip. Assault rifles almost always use detachable magazines to load.

Isn't that part of the definition of assault rifle, that it uses a detachable magazine?

The real definitive attributes are that it fires a medium-power rifle cartridge (and that's the proper word--bullets go in cartridges that go in magazines) and is select-fire (capable of burst or full-auto). Being select-fire, large detachable magazines are pretty much essential. If the same weapon used pistol ammo, it would be an SMG. If it used full-power rifle rounds, it'd be a main battle rifle (like the M14 or FN FAL).

ThetaReactor:
The real definitive attributes are that it fires a medium-power rifle cartridge (and that's the proper word--bullets go in cartridges that go in magazines) and is select-fire (capable of burst or full-auto). Being select-fire, large detachable magazines are pretty much essential.

Ah, so the detachable magazine is the inevitable result of following the definition, not part of the definition itself?

Isn't bullet any projectile that flies out of gun barrel?
So pellets ARE bullets.

Dead Raen:
No one uses clips anymore."

Revolvers?
At least I think fast-loaders are close to clips.

Okay, I'm mildly disturbed at just how damn attractive I find her face in the last panel.

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