Jimquisition: Gamer Entitlement

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ccdohl:
Who has tried to make Anita Sarkeesian's videos disappear? I mostly see people arguing against her with, like, logic and arguments.

I'd love to know where. Every attack I've ever seen on Anita boils down to a character assassination. The few efforts I've seen at actually challenging her premise or conclusion in her videos have been hampered by the blatant inability of the attacker to recognize their own agenda in the process. It's almost a joke now; see someone attack Anita, and you basically see someone who's just outed themselves as a mysognis.

Pogilrup:

ultreos2:
Look I have watched, rewatched, and rewatched again all of Anita's Videos over and over again. The woman straight out blames a perpetuated misogynistic view of women, by gamers, because of how they are portrayed in video games.

As in all you right here, are misogynists because of games portrayal of women. That is her very thesis. I am not making this shit up, that is her damned basic premise for all her videos.

This is Wacko Jacko ENTIRELY in a nutshell. We are all out to be angry murderers because we play violent games.

She is blaming the entirety of the gaming community for a negative aspect of humanity as a whole for the media we consume, and she is getting a damned free pass on the simple principle of being a woman.

Jack Thompson was threatened by people who actually knew where he lived in massive numbers. Anita was threatened on the Internet, both bad, but he had actual reason to fear for his life.

She has told all gamers we are Misogynists because of games.

Just like Jack Thompson insists we were all murderers in the making for violent video games. These are the exact same premise. And the gaming community is sick and tired of being told they are terrible and horrible and it's because of the games they play.

Look at her thesis statement.
It doesn't matter if they have a good point or not. People are against her because she blames the very community she tries to reach. The fact that many of you don't get this is extremely disturbing.

Did she ever say that explicitly?

Did she, in any statement online or off, explicitly say that every member of the gaming community is misogynistic?

Now personally, I have no problem swallowing my pride when it comes to the possibility that a work can unintentionally portray a social group in an negative light or perpetuate some bad ideals.

Besides Jack Thompson talked in absolutes and dealt in absolutes. Sarkessian acknowledges that great works can still be great despite their flaws.

Look at her thesis statement.

And besides if you want to be specific. Jack didn't say that explicitly, he implied it specifically.

That's how you try and remove yourself from judgement.

For me when it comes to Anita, I ultimately disagree with her beliefs, many of them that are flawed. Many of these pieces of work that she has made that I disagree with have been deleted by her, but were published by her regardless and transcends into her other work.

"Female action heroes, although not helpless, are still subject to the male gaze in a way that male heroes are not. Placing women in these non-traditional roles makes it more acceptable for women to emulate masculine power dynamics, not necessarily a positive step towards solid, complex and positive representations of women. Lara Croft, for example, is the star of a video game and movie series who emulates masculine behaviors through violent conflict resolution and a tough emotional exterior. So while there are now female heroes that fit within patriarchal norms and adopt masculine traits, it is still not acceptable to have a situation wherein feminine qualities can be transformed as heroic characteristics."

Anita dislikes the militarization of women or women who are aggressive because these traits are attributed to males. She argues that females that demonstrate these traits attempt to be men themselves by emulating their traits. As a female character becomes more masculine, they repudiate the feminine, becoming, in effect, sexless and less 'human' mirrors of male action heroes. She is also opposed to dumb or foolish female characters because she identifies it was a masculine trait. However female heroes that do display their sexuality then become objects of desire or hyper sexualized. In her own words, she advocates for characters that are positive anti-oppressive, that encourages progressive politics. She is against strong female hero that can display her sexuality which is counter intuitive to modern feminist theory.

This is just one of the many problems that I have with Anita's beliefs.

I don't often, but I'll give you a thumbs up for this one Jim

i really dont like jims defense of anita

im not saying there arent issues in the portrait of gender and sex in video games or that they are not worth discussing, i do believe they exist and i do beleive they are, however anita is a scam artist, he got several times over the amount of cash she needed to make her videos on kickstarter and she hasnt completed em yet, she has gone on record saying shes not a gamer, and id say that someone who is not inmerssed in this culture has much validity in their arguments when it comes to critizing it, finally when you actually see her videos, well, i saw her female male character video and i can say the vast mayority of the examples she provided to defend her point are incredibly wrong, the games she critized for color swapping the male character into a female one are games that fall into these categories:

-old games, in which the limited processing power made telling what the main character was supposed to be in the first place a challenge on itself, therefore there is nothing wrong relying on tropes to help the player know they were controlling a female character

-games aimed at children in which they wanted to convey the idea of a female character in the most clear way possible for children

-games that are absolutely no serious at all and cartoony, do you seriously think rogue legacy or Ms splosion man are denigrating to women?

Anyways, I think if one really wants to be in control of the company that one is customer of, don't just buy when they are ethical and refuse when they are not.

Remember those shareholders that are often complained about? One of those shareholders could be you.

After all as a shareholder you have more at stake in the company than you do as a fan or customer. While you might not be able to change things at a production level, if you and many other shareholders feel upper management is doing a shitty job then perhaps one can vote some of them out.

camazotz:

ccdohl:
Who has tried to make Anita Sarkeesian's videos disappear? I mostly see people arguing against her with, like, logic and arguments.

I'd love to know where. Every attack I've ever seen on Anita boils down to a character assassination. The few efforts I've seen at actually challenging her premise or conclusion in her videos have been hampered by the blatant inability of the attacker to recognize their own agenda in the process. It's almost a joke now; see someone attack Anita, and you basically see someone who's just outed themselves as a mysognis.

You can look in this topic. I see numerous people disagreeing with her without flaming.

Okay, was this a video on the subject of "entitlement" or an attempt to bring up Anita Sarkeesian again, because it's just not acceptable to not have one of those threads on Escapist for an entire month.

Pogilrup:
Anyways, I think if one really wants to be in control of the company that one is customer of, don't just buy when they are ethical and refuse when they are not.

Remember those shareholders that are often complained about? One of those shareholders could be you.

After all as a shareholder you have more at stake in the company than you do as a fan or customer. While you might not be able to change things at a production level, if you and many other shareholders feel upper management is doing a shitty job then perhaps one can vote some of them out.

HA. Investment companies and uber-rich brokers own the shares. You do know that just by buying stock you don't actually get a real say in what a company does, right? You get to cast your vote for your percentage of the total shares, all 0.00236 percent of them.

Good luck changing anything.

Besides, the whole point is the right thing and the thing that makes the most money often aren't the same. Stockholders vote for the latter, EVERY TIME.

Eh, I totally agree, but hasn't this topic been done positively to death?

themilo504:
I completely agree with everything you said.

I also think you're a entitled brat if you pirate a game and then complain that it isent very good.

Or if you pirate a game at all, since you're basically saying you should have it for free while other people are paying for it.

Goliath100:

Vivi22:
No. People who say the answer is always between two extremes are just afraid of taking sides. Sometimes it's between two extremes, sometimes it isn't.

Can I get an example of that? Note: My counter argument will be (if any) that your example is not two extremes.

What you're referring to sounds like the Argument to Moderation and Wikipedia defines it as a logical fallacy. You'll be able to find many examples on that page.

And if your counter argument is that the two opposite sides in these examples are "not two extremes" then I would say you're contradicting yourself because you said the answer is always between two extremes.

Edit: I said there were multiple examples in the link, can you not follow a link? But fine, if you really want me to copy/paste them here I can do that:

- "Some would say that hydrogen cyanide is a delicious and necessary part of the human diet, but others claim it is a toxic and dangerous substance. The truth must therefore be somewhere in between."

- "A 100 ft canyon lies in front of Jack and Jill. Jack wants to build a 100 ft bridge to cross the canyon, but Jill doesn't want to cross at all. A compromise between the two would be a 50 ft bridge, which would only please Jill."

- "Bob says we should buy a computer. Sue says we shouldn't. Therefore, the best solution is to compromise and buy half a computer."

- "Should array indices start at 0 or 1? My compromise of 0.5 was rejected without, I thought, proper consideration." - Stan Kelly-Bootle

- "The fact that one is confronted with an individual who strongly argues that slavery is wrong and another who argues equally strongly that slavery is perfectly legitimate in no way suggests that the truth must be somewhere in the middle."[4]

- "You say the sky is blue, while I say the sky is red. Therefore, the best solution is to compromise and agree that the sky is purple."

- "Jon wanted to touch the fire because he said that fire is cold, Jim said he shouldn't because it is hot, So they compromised and said it was lukewarm and Jon burned off his hand."

Thanatos2k:

Pogilrup:
Anyways, I think if one really wants to be in control of the company that one is customer of, don't just buy when they are ethical and refuse when they are not.

Remember those shareholders that are often complained about? One of those shareholders could be you.

After all as a shareholder you have more at stake in the company than you do as a fan or customer. While you might not be able to change things at a production level, if you and many other shareholders feel upper management is doing a shitty job then perhaps one can vote some of them out.

HA. Investment companies and uber-rich brokers own the shares. You do know that just by buying stock you don't actually get a real say in what a company does, right? You get to cast your vote for your percentage of the total shares, all 0.00236 percent of them.

Good luck changing anything.

Besides, the whole point is the right thing and the thing that makes the most money often aren't the same. Stockholders vote for the latter, EVERY TIME.

I didn't say to do it alone and it probably won't happen in a month either.

But it is a possibility perhaps in 40 years that many shareholder have grown up with videogames would know what it is like to have ignorant shareholders condoning bad business practices. Of course, they will always be out of touch with the youth 40 years from now. But that is still better than being out of touch by never having played videogames ever.

I get attacked all the time for liking Dragons Crown or Senran Kagura.

Get called entitled for wanting to play... games.

BTW, I'm not allowed to criticize games that rely on online.

camazotz:

ccdohl:
Who has tried to make Anita Sarkeesian's videos disappear? I mostly see people arguing against her with, like, logic and arguments.

I'd love to know where. Every attack I've ever seen on Anita boils down to a character assassination. The few efforts I've seen at actually challenging her premise or conclusion in her videos have been hampered by the blatant inability of the attacker to recognize their own agenda in the process. It's almost a joke now; see someone attack Anita, and you basically see someone who's just outed themselves as a mysognis.

You might be looking at Thunderf00t and the Amazing Atheist then extrapolating a bit since these two, in particular, were a bit harsh on Anita. There are a few detailed and respectful disagreements with her arguments out there on Youtube. Here's one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP9OvnqfOXo

A good topic for an episode. Its a difficult issue to handle, because this is "sensitive" to gamers and some of them can flare up like hell if you bring this up. Only issue I've seen gamers debate more about is EA being evil and women in gaming.

Wouldnt be surprised if you lost a fair few regular watchers with this episode Jim, but frankly if you lost'em because of it they werent really worth keeping anyway.

Its funny that the ME3 ending debate is still going on. It was an excellent example for the topic being discussed, but regardless, seeing people debate about it again, like they still do on and off, made me puzzled. So the below statement would be to the people that still go on and on and on how much ME3's ending sucked and how they're gonna boycott everything Bioware ever releases and then jump everyone that thinks differently because hey, "ME3's ENDING SUCKED!".

Okay, maybe the ME3 ending did suck. At least it certainly wasnt good in its "vanilla" form. But that was ages ago. Please let it go. Bioware released a free modified ending and a ton of free multiplayer DLC as a direct result of the harsh feedback they got.

They then eventually released the Citadel DLC, which frankly was one of the most divine gaming experiences I've ever seen. I recomend people give that a try if they havent already. In many ways, Citadel was a huge "thank you" to the fans, and pretty much the colossal bandaid to the big bleeding wound in the franchise and in Bioware's reputation. You dont have to take my word for it, go and have a look at it and what its about. Hell just listen to some of the music for it. If you played the game series for the personal connections you build to your companions that you got to know over the trilogy, then im fairly sure you're going to love Citadel.

My 2 coppers on the matter.

I am the "Time Lord Victorious".

How well did that work out for "the Doctor"?

Pogilrup:

Thanatos2k:

Pogilrup:
Anyways, I think if one really wants to be in control of the company that one is customer of, don't just buy when they are ethical and refuse when they are not.

Remember those shareholders that are often complained about? One of those shareholders could be you.

After all as a shareholder you have more at stake in the company than you do as a fan or customer. While you might not be able to change things at a production level, if you and many other shareholders feel upper management is doing a shitty job then perhaps one can vote some of them out.

HA. Investment companies and uber-rich brokers own the shares. You do know that just by buying stock you don't actually get a real say in what a company does, right? You get to cast your vote for your percentage of the total shares, all 0.00236 percent of them.

Good luck changing anything.

Besides, the whole point is the right thing and the thing that makes the most money often aren't the same. Stockholders vote for the latter, EVERY TIME.

I didn't say to do it alone and it probably won't happen in a month either.

But it is a possibility perhaps in 40 years that many shareholder have grown up with videogames would know what it is like to have ignorant shareholders condoning bad business practices. Of course, they will always be out of touch with the youth 40 years from now. But that is still better than being out of touch by never having played videogames ever.

Even if they grew up with video games, they'd have to care about them more than MONEY. Guess which one will come out on top 40 years from now?

erttheking:
Damn straight. The ending of Mass Effect 3 was a load of horse shit and sexism is alive and well in gaming. That being said, going off at people who like games that you don't...no just don't do that. Also people like Call of Duty, can we please stop getting on people for that?

I'd actually like to suggest there's a serious difference between liking COD and being, a term I've coined, a Codpiece. The simple difference is a Codpiece is an entitled gamer, they can't see any problem with COD and they demand all their games are like COD. So if for example they went to play Brink, they'd moan it was too different to COD; Or that they had to learn how the weapons in Brink work because they aren't like COD. You see a Codpiece won't expand into gaming beyond COD and as such to try and get this market it cause many developers and publishers to try and make their games more like COD. The best example being if you look at and play Frontlines Fuel of War then compare it to Homefront.

To give an example of gamer entitlement in action I'd like to tell people about a thing that happened and was called "The Ronimo situation". Now Ronimo are the developers of Awesomenauts. They released a game with 3 levels and 6 characters. after releasing 2 more characters they' started adding optional purchasable alternative costumes for characters. Many people called them out saying they were double dipping as people had to pay for the game already so they should be support enough. Since then they have given away 2 free skins, added 2 more levels to the game and 3 more awesomenauts. Now while people might see the extra costumes as something they should have. They were developed after the game was released and people are getting character updates and levels free. Up until the starstorm expansion (Which I consider a way to avoid them having to make Awesomenauts 2).

Also before anyone brings in the Anita situation.
I don't want her shut up, I'd just rather hers not be the only voice and maybe some people with less of a pre-established agenda be paid attention to. You know instead of labelling Samus Aran a damsel in distress.

Thanatos2k:

Pogilrup:

Thanatos2k:

HA. Investment companies and uber-rich brokers own the shares. You do know that just by buying stock you don't actually get a real say in what a company does, right? You get to cast your vote for your percentage of the total shares, all 0.00236 percent of them.

Good luck changing anything.

Besides, the whole point is the right thing and the thing that makes the most money often aren't the same. Stockholders vote for the latter, EVERY TIME.

I didn't say to do it alone and it probably won't happen in a month either.

But it is a possibility perhaps in 40 years that many shareholder have grown up with videogames would know what it is like to have ignorant shareholders condoning bad business practices. Of course, they will always be out of touch with the youth 40 years from now. But that is still better than being out of touch by never having played videogames ever.

Even if they grew up with video games, they'd have to care about them more than MONEY. Guess which one will come out on top 40 years from now?

Well do you at least consider the possibility that some of them know from experience what it is like to be at the receiving end of consumer unfriendly business practices and perhaps choose management that would refrain from the worst of those practices?

This video was a long time coming, given how ugly and overblown the subject has become.
I've raged against the stupidity of the entitlement argument for years. It's mostly just pretense.

Markets, especially luxury markets, are driven by self-interest. "Entitlement" is inherent to both producers and consumers.
Wagging one's finger at someone else for acting "entitled" in such a context is like trying to shame a dog for its ability to bark.

It's asinine.

If someone isn't happy with what they're getting, lets just say that problem will eventually remedy itself with or without moral pretense.

Companies that charge more for less will eventually lose customers to competition, while consumers who ask for more than is feasible for the market to offer will eventually give up and leave.

Pogilrup:

Thanatos2k:

Pogilrup:

I didn't say to do it alone and it probably won't happen in a month either.

But it is a possibility perhaps in 40 years that many shareholder have grown up with videogames would know what it is like to have ignorant shareholders condoning bad business practices. Of course, they will always be out of touch with the youth 40 years from now. But that is still better than being out of touch by never having played videogames ever.

Even if they grew up with video games, they'd have to care about them more than MONEY. Guess which one will come out on top 40 years from now?

Well do you at least consider the possibility that some of them know from experience what it is like to be at the receiving end of consumer unfriendly business practices and perhaps choose management that would refrain from the worst of those practices?

40 years from now they'll be playing video games in our minds projected into our brains. The game will automatically make purchases by scanning your mind for what it desires.

I don't think people will be deciding on the business practices of free to play mobile games.

erttheking:

Karadalis:
Right.. Anita is the only one whos allowed to post her opinions as fact and shut down any discussion by simply not allowing it and never ever answering her critics who bring up valid points...

Once again the Jesus Anita syndrome at work. Shes allowed to do what other people are being told off for on jimquisition as if she was an untouchable defender of justice when in truth she causes more damage for her cause then she does good.

The problem with the whole mess is that people can't just disagree with her. I disagree with her on a lot of points. But people, this website included, can't just disagree with her and stop there. They have to attack everything about her, the fact that she's wearing make up, the fact that years ago she said something that means we don't have to take anything she says seriously. Jim doesn't think that Anita is Jesus, I don't think that she's Jesus, but people are reacting to her so violently and viciously that people feel obligated to call out the abuse when they see it. Go ahead and disagree with her points, just argue with a logical and level head and attack her points, not her.

Bullshit. Tons of people have posted very reasoned criticism of her without resorting to attacking her personally.

Aardvaarkman:

In any case, a review can't cause you to buy a game - that's your own personal decision.

I believe in this principle personally.

However, in practice, I have no doubt that are some who are either too lazy or weak willed to make their own decisions.
They take their disposable income and just throw it at the first thing that looks shiny or with high ratings without bothering to learn anything more about what they're buying.

I can see being disappointed in a game, but being angry about it just doesn't seem rational. If a game is enough to make you angry, then you might be better off either looking elsewhere for entertainment, or looking into anger management sessions.

Actually, I can see outright anger being viable response, but only if the game turns out to being something that is completely different from what was advertised, like a bait-n-switch scheme. (Aliens: Colonial Marines is an obvious example)

But I agree with this point in general, as many people project anger to express the result of disappointment in order to draw attention.

Well said, Jim. There's not a thing I would add or subtract from that commentary.

ultreos2:

Pogilrup:

ultreos2:
Look I have watched, rewatched, and rewatched again all of Anita's Videos over and over again. The woman straight out blames a perpetuated misogynistic view of women, by gamers, because of how they are portrayed in video games.

As in all you right here, are misogynists because of games portrayal of women. That is her very thesis. I am not making this shit up, that is her damned basic premise for all her videos.

Did she ever say that explicitly?

Did she, in any statement online or off, explicitly say that every member of the gaming community is misogynistic?

Look at her thesis statement.

OK, I looked at it, she never blamed gamers for anything. She mention Lara Croft once and considering it was written 4 years ago, it was relevant.

Please don't tell people to watch or read something as a substitute for a real answer.

Did you come to your conclusion after you read her Thesis or was it after you watched a video / read an article from someone talking about her thesis?.

dam jim, you were on to something until you brought up anita, who is proven to be a con and has stated beforehand that she doesn't play video games or care about them, something the industry should have, care for the thing they are in.

Lotet:

ultreos2:

Pogilrup:
Did she ever say that explicitly?

Did she, in any statement online or off, explicitly say that every member of the gaming community is misogynistic?

Look at her thesis statement.

OK, I looked at it, she never blamed gamers for anything. She mention Lara Croft once and considering it was written 4 years ago, it was relevant.

Please don't tell people to watch or read something as a substitute for a real answer.

Did you come to your conclusion after you read her Thesis or was it after you watched a video / read an article from someone talking about her thesis?.

No you did not read her thesis if that was your conclusion. Don't sit here and lie when there is factual evidence to back me up given her own words as you will be called out on such bull.

Her conclusion, much akin to barbie controversy and violent video game controversy is that all barbie does is give girls poor body image for simply being, all violent video games do is make people violent trained killers, and all games portraying women in the way she does not appreciate game makers portraying women makes men who play these games Misogynists.

That is her exact thesis.

Your issue with seeing that does not make you being truthful, that just makes you ignorant.

Edit: Here though Link us to her thesis paper, since you seem to have access to a different piece then the one I read and others read. Show us how we our wrong in our thinking.

Grace_Omega:

Stavros Dimou:

It's happening everywhere.
PERFECT DARK ZERO played nothing like PERFECT DARK.
DUKE NUKEM FOREVER played nothing like DUKE NUKEM 3D
WOLFENSTEIN 2009 played nothing like RETURN TO CASTLE WOLFENSTEIN
DUNGEON KEEPER MOBILE plays nothing like DUNGEON KEEPER 1,2
PREY 2 looked nothing like PREY 1
And the list goes on...

OCARINA OF TIME played nothing like A LINK TO THE PAST*
METROID PRIME played nothing like SUPER METROID*
MARIO 64 played nothing like SUPER MARIO WORLD
GOLDENEYE played nothing like WHATEVER CRAPPY JAMES BOND GAMES CAME OUT BEFORE IT
RESIDENT EVIL 4 played nothing like EVERY PREVIOUS RESIDENT EVIL

Franchises and series have to depart from their roots, otherwise those properties become stagnant. Many of the most acclaimed games of the modern era came about because developers weren't afraid to step out of the shadow of the past and do something different. We would never have gotten Mario 64 if Nintendo listened to opinions like this. And sometimes updating a classic franchise goes horribly wrong- believe me, I'm a Silent Hill fan, I know all about that. But people still have to try.

If they didn't we'd just get an endless cycle of the same thing over and over again, with slight variations in story and gameplay. Not only would customers get bored with this eventually, the developers themselves would get tired of making them. That's something a lot of people often seem to forget, just because you want something doesn't mean developers have to make it.

Hell, in at least two of these examples you're making comparisons with games that came out well over a decade ago. I would hope a modern incarnation of a franchise wouldn't play much like something that came out when PCs were still using floppy drives.

There's only one real criticism you can lay at the feet of all of those games you listed: they're all terrible. And they're terribly because they're *bad games*, not because

*(Some people are probably going to take issue with a few of these, and while it's true that OoT and Metroid Prime held onto a lot of gameplay structures from their 2D predecessors, there were enough changes made that the experience of playing them still felt very different)

You wrote some good examples of games that changed in comparison to the older games of their series and weren't bad.
The thing is,all of the games you wrote where the first that were 3D in their respective series.
Unavoidably going from 2D to 3D meant change,and because the 3rd dimension of depth added realism it brought something we had never found on games before: suspension of disbelief and immersion. So mostly,for the games the change of a game going 3d from being 2d was considered evolution and improvement.

The games I wrote down on my list though weren't changed because of huge technological improvement. Their older installments were already 3D,and there wasn't like a big technological advancement that they made use of and made them different.
What made the games I wrote about different was that the developers didn't cared about the crowd who played the prior games of the series,but tried to capture new audiences by adopting gameplay features of other games that broke the GAMEPLAY FORMULA of the respective series.

Even though OoT has changed a lot from Alttp,there is still the same Zelda formula in both games that is recognizable to the fans,so there are some 'core features' that shape up what someone expects from a Zelda game to be or to do.
You still go through dungeons,open doors with keys that you find by exploring,cut the grass to find rupees etc. There are still things working as you would expect them to.
The same goes for Metroid Prime and Super Metroid too. Sure its graphics are different,and there are new things added like the scanning device that tells you about enemies. But on its core Metroid Prime still plays how you would expect a Metroid game to play. It still have large areas that you can go back and forth,still has secret places with things to unlock,still you open doors by shooting them with various kinds of beams,still you save in a special save room etc.

You see,the difference in games like those you mentioned is that while a lot of things changed,the basic mechanics that shape up the gameplay experience one gets from a game are still there.
Goldeneye is the exception,as not only Bond games,but generally the vast majority of movie licensed games are awful,and it just happened to be the only game ever that was based on a movie license and won 'GOTY' awards.

When it comes to games like those I wrote on my previous post though,what happened was rather different. There wasn't technology improvements that resulted perhaps in adding or evolving some of the pre-existing features of these games,like what's the case for the majority of the games you noted. Instead for the games I wrote what happened was that the developers decided that there is no "gameplay formula" behind them that they should stick to or improve,and instead moved forward on to copying features of other games (like Halo and Call of Duty) thinking that this way they would capture Halo and Call of Duty fans and failing to do so,and making the games loose their own originality and character,which made the fans of these series disappointed. I'm not saying that Call of Duty is bad here - what I am saying is that if I want to play COD,then I'll play COD,not another series that decided to imitate COD. But if I'm told to buy a game of a certain series because it has a specific name on its title,then that game that carries this name should better have the standards and features associated with that name.

Because games are experiences.The reason we like them is because we like the experience they give to us,how we feel when we play them.So if I say that I like Prey,it's because I liked the experience I got when I played it. I liked being hunted by evil aliens that see me as food and getting away by opening portals and moving through them,solving puzzles,and using supernatural spiritual powers to beat my enemies. That's what Prey was,and what it's experience was.Perhaps not everyone might like it,but that was what Prey was all about. Now if Prey 2 has no portals,and no puzzles,and no supernatural powers,and instead its parkour walking from point A to point B,then it's not Prey any more. It might be a good game,but it doesn't have what made Prey be Prey,it is a completely different experience that might be good or not,that for some reason shares a name with another game that played differently.

And you know what ? There would be absolutely no problem if the creators were honest and were just saying "These games are not part of the main series but spin-offs and parodies",because that's what they really are.
Instead it's like you have this action movie,300,and instead of the producers making a sequel to that movie like the actual true sequel "300: Rise of an Empire",they released "Meet the Spartans" as the true sequel to the original movie!
300 is though a 'serious' action movie,but Meet the Spartans is a satiric comedy. Sure both movies have Spartans,but if Warner was making 'Meet the Spartans' and marketed it as a "sequel to 300",and you would expect everyone who liked 300 to just give up the franchise and hate on Warner. Yet Warner is clever enough (unlike many game developers) to not do such foolish things. Some game developers have the bad tendency though to make products that are on a different genre,feel different,and play different,and name them parts of something completely different.

And all that because of the same wrong thinking "We will rip off another game and stick a random pre-used name to it because A we can't have the same name as the game we rip off,and B some fools might buy our game judging by its name,even if it's completely different than what this name is associated with".
And there you have it: The market is full of COD clones because 90% of other FPS series that could have some originality and do their own thing decided to copy COD,and the result is people who played COD keep playing COD because it's the one they already know and got familiar with,and those who for some reason don't like COD stick to playing decade old games or give up the FPS genre entirely and become RPG fans.
What copycats fail miserably to see though is that by copying COD,they are essentially marketing COD and make it stronger.Because people value originality and generally the opinion for an original thing is better than that for an imitation.

reiniat:

ccdohl:
Who has tried to make Anita Sarkeesian's videos disappear? I mostly see people arguing against her with, like, logic and arguments.

It depends on where do you search, there are places where people really goes batshit against Anita.... Thats what i been told at least, ive never seen her being insulted in the internet sites i frequent (and that includes IGN). But i suppose she's insulted in places like Youtube, or the comment section of her own videos, maybe in Steam and perhaps in gaming sites like Yahoo! games (LOL), and of course 4chan, Reddit, NeoGaf... Ive also seen people in this site that think shes evil and she does her stuff totally on purpose, but nothing too heated.

Even 4chan is sick about talking about her and feminism non stop. Of course they still think she is a scam artist and a scab who screwed over the very people that support her and outright lied about her past to hit that niche.

As for general entitlement, well artistic integrity is fine and it is the right of the studio to do what they please in regards to the story or game play. However that ends when they complain to their fans that not enough copies were bought so they won't make it anymore. They might end up alienating fans with massive sweeping changes, overblown advertising budgeting aside, only to turn around and accuse them of not being loyal enough or that interest in the series must have died.

As for constant nickle and dimeing treatment along with shitty drm, well I can only complain and tighten my grip on my wallet and hope enough people do the same.

Dear Jim,

You're mention of Mass Effect 3 again made me think of my time watching you on the Escapist, and how much you've actually changed. When I first saw you, your show seemed, I'll be honest, crap. However, you managed to improve your show's quality by leagues, and when you actually turned around and did a video saying you where wrong about Mass Effect 3 and the uproar around it, I knew you where a person who's opinions should be listened too. You where one of the few in the gaming media who didn't just blanket say 'you guys are spoiled and entitled, just enjoy the game and ignore the ending', and the fact that so few gaming media people noticed the difference between the people who genuinely hated the ending but weren't overly obsessed with it, and the 'retake mass effect' people is still a sore spot to me today.

You're honest criticism and frank opinions, always for the customer's benefits (even if it requires calling out the gaming community for its bullshit) is frequently a refreshing breath of air and you've become more important (to me, at least) a reason for coming to the Escapist than Yahtzee's reviews (I still enjoy Yahtzee, but I enjoy your stuff more now).

All I can say is, well done sir!

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Nixou:

I've never seen anyone mention the entitlement issue ever since the ME3 crisis. It pretty much went away a few weeks after the extended cut.

The thing about Mass Effect 3's ending was that there were actually two very distinct groups of complainers:
One disliked the ending because it was in their view too short and not detailed enough. After over a hundred hours of game, they wished and expected for something akin to FF6's ending.
The second group despised the ending because they wanted a triumphalist conclusion to their power fantasy.
One group was providing legitimate criticism, the other one was indeed a bunch of entitled manchildren pissed because their collective masturbatory power-fantasy about being an invincible Space Marine was pretty much shattered when Harbinger crippled Shepard at the end, and this group was waaaaaaay more noisy than the rest, to the point were an outside observer could be forgiven if she concluded that the second group was the only one to exist.

Thankfully, the extended cut gave a more satisfactory conclusion to the first group while giving a resounding Fuck You Very Much to the second group in the form of the fourth ending. This affair ended miraculously well because Bioware managed to address the thoughtful complains without caving to the whims of the vociferous entitled group and pulling an I Am Legend.

I would disagree alittle with this - there where 3 groups in my opinion; the two you mentioned and a third who, whilst not needing a happy ending, didn't like the ending (even post-extended cut) because it was rushed out of no-where, didn't make alot of sense, ignored some of the established in-game cannon, and as better thinkers than me put it, broke the narrative flow.

I do think though, if they'd release Mass Effect 3 with the extended cut, most people would have been happy with that and they wouldn't have had the huge hate they got for it.

Basically, everyone is entitled to their right of free speech to express their opinions but no one has the right to force said opinion on another nor are they entitled to be immune from being disagreed with.

The First Amendment.

ccdohl:

And it's not the no true scotsman fallacy. I am not dismissing angry trolls, I'm just only referring to the response videos and articles that critique her work and disregarding forum posters. If there are angry people openly being misogynistic, and not doing it on a forum or comments section, then I haven't seen it.

Why does it not count if it's in a forum or comments section? That's why you're using the "No True Scotsman" fallacy - you're dismissing things that actually happen, because they don't meet your arbitrary standards.

Forums and comments sections are a big part of the problem. Why are you dismissing them as irrelevant? I mean, the whole internet is essentially a big forum/comments section these days. What are YouTube responses other than video forums?

And you just made up this exclusion, when nobody else was making such a distinction. It seems the only reason you make a distinction is to argue that anybody who attacks Sarkeesian isn't actually relevant to the issue - therefore "No True Scotsman" - just like how a Priest who would molest a child isn't a Real Priest, therefore it does not reflect badly on the church.

You're simply making loopholes to excuse bad behaviour.

ccdohl:

erttheking:

Karadalis:
Right.. Anita is the only one whos allowed to post her opinions as fact and shut down any discussion by simply not allowing it and never ever answering her critics who bring up valid points...

Once again the Jesus Anita syndrome at work. Shes allowed to do what other people are being told off for on jimquisition as if she was an untouchable defender of justice when in truth she causes more damage for her cause then she does good.

The problem with the whole mess is that people can't just disagree with her. I disagree with her on a lot of points. But people, this website included, can't just disagree with her and stop there. They have to attack everything about her, the fact that she's wearing make up, the fact that years ago she said something that means we don't have to take anything she says seriously. Jim doesn't think that Anita is Jesus, I don't think that she's Jesus, but people are reacting to her so violently and viciously that people feel obligated to call out the abuse when they see it. Go ahead and disagree with her points, just argue with a logical and level head and attack her points, not her.

Bullshit. Tons of people have posted very reasoned criticism of her without resorting to attacking her personally.

I did not mean to imply that people didn't do that, the problem is that so many people do do that that their criticism tends to get drowned out by the people screaming about how she isn't a real gamer.

The_Kodu:
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That's a fair statement to make. Except I'm not sure when Anita ever called Samus a damsel. Unless it was Metroid Other M, in which case it was probably justified.

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