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Erin needs to check her privilege.

This would probably be funnier if I actually used tumblr, but from the sounds of it I don't want to.

canadamus_prime:
This would probably be funnier if I actually used tumblr, but from the sounds of it I don't want to.

In several ways, that's kind of a blessing actually. However, I've been seeing a few gaming articles more and more these days that look like they were written as tumblr articles, so you may one day be all too familiar with tumblrisms without ever actually visiting the site proper.

I feel like this video is adequat:

canadamus_prime:
This would probably be funnier if I actually used tumblr, but from the sounds of it I don't want to.

It is not that bad since I use it mostly for artists I rarely get the stereotypical tumblr post on my blog

SJW on tumblr spoiling our fun, pointing out our privilege, amirite?

Disappointing.

7000% accurate.
That's part of why I left.

Idk, The only time I used Tumblr, did not understand how to use it, so I left minutes later after created my account. Occasionally, I see screenshots on Facebook and there's pics I find funny, well, I guess Tumblr doesn't want me there.

thaluikhain:
SJW on tumblr spoiling our fun, pointing out our privilege, amirite?

Disappointing.

Yep. Eurgh. People are trying to fix a broken society. It's not their fault it is "annoying" to you when you, you know, aren't actually fucking affected by half the shit they're trying to fix. FEMINISM BAD! GO AWAY I DON'T NEED YOUR FEMINISM! Yes, and all the sex traffickers and religiously overzealous will thank you for your compliance. GO AWAY GAYS, YOU DON'T DESERVE SPECIAL RIGHTS! And the kid abandoned by his dad because he was gay will thank you for abiding by his homelessness.

Okay, so people on Tumblr are pushy and angry and generally come off as assholes. But to ignore the message because of the messenger is just... it's not a smart thing to do.

Andy of Comix Inc:

thaluikhain:
SJW on tumblr spoiling our fun, pointing out our privilege, amirite?

Disappointing.

Yep. Eurgh. People are trying to fix a broken society. It's not their fault it is "annoying" to you when you, you know, aren't actually fucking affected by half the shit they're trying to fix. FEMINISM BAD! GO AWAY I DON'T NEED YOUR FEMINISM! Yes, and all the sex traffickers and religiously overzealous will thank you for your compliance. GO AWAY GAYS, YOU DON'T DESERVE SPECIAL RIGHTS! And the kid abandoned by his dad because he was gay will thank you for abiding by his homelessness.

Okay, so people on Tumblr are pushy and angry and generally come off as assholes. But to ignore the message because of the messenger is just... it's not a smart thing to do.

Yes, because headmates are truly worth defending and ableism is a plague upon our morality. Not everything on tumblr is bad, but the bad stuff tends to be really bad.

Does anyone else think Cory recently discovered this gem?

Kyrdra:

It is not that bad since I use it mostly for artists I rarely get the stereotypical tumblr post on my blog

I literally dont understand WHY people follow or pay attention to these crazy blogs.

I follow artists and some comic writers and my friends from the real world. If your ADHD means you have to click on every weird ass blog coming up then i dont think ANY website is right for you :/ I follow about 70 well adjusted people. I never see or hear the weird stuff. It weirds me out how people manage to find it.

Andy of Comix Inc:

Yep. Eurgh. People are trying to fix a broken society. It's not their fault it is "annoying" to you when you, you know, aren't actually fucking affected by half the shit they're trying to fix. FEMINISM BAD! GO AWAY I DON'T NEED YOUR FEMINISM! Yes, and all the sex traffickers and religiously overzealous will thank you for your compliance. GO AWAY GAYS, YOU DON'T DESERVE SPECIAL RIGHTS! And the kid abandoned by his dad because he was gay will thank you for abiding by his homelessness.

Okay, so people on Tumblr are pushy and angry and generally come off as assholes. But to ignore the message because of the messenger is just... it's not a smart thing to do.

You know using the middleground is sometimes really nice. You can be a feminist without buying into some of the extremes people use

thaluikhain:
SJW on tumblr spoiling our fun, pointing out our privilege, amirite?

Disappointing.

I think you're sort of missing the point of this comic. It's that people on Tumblr are slowly turning into the people they're fighting. And going by my nearly two year experience of being on Tumblr; yes, that's the case. There's an increasingly vitriolic community who spews hatred and anger in the name of social justice.

And that, actually, sadly undermines the often legitimate points that can be made regarding problems in our society. On Tumblr there is lots and lots of emotion, lots and lots of shouting. But not enough listening, not enough calm and rational thought, not enough contemplation. Which sort of makes sense; it's mostly teenagers on there.

Andy of Comix Inc:

Yep. Eurgh. People are trying to fix a broken society.

And they're going about it the wrong way.

Cowabungaa:

thaluikhain:
SJW on tumblr spoiling our fun, pointing out our privilege, amirite?

Disappointing.

I think you're sort of missing the point of this comic. It's that people on Tumblr are slowly turning into the people they're fighting. And going by my nearly two year experience of being on Tumblr; yes, that's the case. There's an increasingly vitriolic community who spews hatred and anger in the name of social justice.

And that, actually, sadly undermines the often legitimate points that can be made regarding problems in our society. On Tumblr there is lots and lots of emotion, lots and lots of shouting. But not enough listening, not enough calm and rational thought, not enough contemplation. Which sort of makes sense; it's mostly teenagers on there.

That is an accusation that has never not been used against people fighting for social justice, though.

Andy of Comix Inc:

thaluikhain:
SJW on tumblr spoiling our fun, pointing out our privilege, amirite?

Disappointing.

Yep. Eurgh. People are trying to fix a broken society. It's not their fault it is "annoying" to you when you, you know, aren't actually fucking affected by half the shit they're trying to fix. FEMINISM BAD! GO AWAY I DON'T NEED YOUR FEMINISM! Yes, and all the sex traffickers and religiously overzealous will thank you for your compliance. GO AWAY GAYS, YOU DON'T DESERVE SPECIAL RIGHTS! And the kid abandoned by his dad because he was gay will thank you for abiding by his homelessness.

Okay, so people on Tumblr are pushy and angry and generally come off as assholes. But to ignore the message because of the messenger is just... it's not a smart thing to do.

Actually, I think if you did care about the message, you'd be more angry at tumblr than the person who holds no opinion whatsoever. There you are trying to be calm and reasonable when spreading your message, trying to show people that your message doesn't have to be a fringe idea and therefore anyone can go along with it, and all of a sudden some tumblr warrior starts screaming about the message, saying anyone who doesn't agree is a horrible monster and should be ashamed of themselves, pretty much treating the message as a fringe idea that only a few people are going to understand anyway. That person who tried to hold the honest and reasonable discussion has just had all their work thrown down the drain because of some SJW that thinks raging out and creating obnoxious protest art makes them the fucking saviour of all life. If I honestly cared about a certain issue, I'd be pissed that tumblr users were giving my message or movement a bad name.

I used to use tumblr a lot with one of my friends in highschool. We had a falling out and so that just started me off on this path of growing dislike towards the whole site. Everything has to be so insanely politically correct there and this sect of really, radical feminists(feel like it's an insult to actual feminists to even call them that) have created this echo chamber for themselves that has just totally snowballed into this completely ridiculous community that hates everyone who doesn't fit into their niche while preaching tolerance, equality, and understanding.

The site can still be funny sometimes but I prefer to view it through pictures taken of funny posts on imgur than actually going on the site myself.

Andy of Comix Inc:
To ignore the message because of the messenger is just... it's not a smart thing to do.

It is also human nature. When someone comes at you with angry rhetoric, unless you already agree with it, it is natural for that confrontational approach to make you feel defensive. Defensive people will very naturally begin arguing to negate the points of the person they feel threatened by. This is why debate classes teach you not to use insults. People who use a tone of anger in their attempt to change minds are either ignorant of how social interaction works, or else they're just plain less interested in actually making a positive change than they are in venting their bile; this is why I am contemptuous of pretty much every men's rights advocate I've ever spoken with, because they don't seem to want to be effective if it means they won't get to call me a mangina in the process.

Oh, uh, I guess I should say something about the comic strip itself, huh? Yeah, it's kinda cute. The kind of joke isn't really my style; it reminds too much of how Jeff Dunham sets himself up for his own punchlines. I don't know if there's a word for that. Still, kinda cute.

Oh I get it, because telling people not to tell racist or wear culture appropriating costumes or be bigots is truly equivalent to white nationalism and racism against people of color, right?

We can make that kind of witty observation now that we're post racism, am I right?

Badum tss!

Andy of Comix Inc:

thaluikhain:
SJW on tumblr spoiling our fun, pointing out our privilege, amirite?

Disappointing.

Yep. Eurgh. People are trying to fix a broken society. It's not their fault it is "annoying" to you when you, you know, aren't actually fucking affected by half the shit they're trying to fix. FEMINISM BAD! GO AWAY I DON'T NEED YOUR FEMINISM! Yes, and all the sex traffickers and religiously overzealous will thank you for your compliance. GO AWAY GAYS, YOU DON'T DESERVE SPECIAL RIGHTS! And the kid abandoned by his dad because he was gay will thank you for abiding by his homelessness.

Okay, so people on Tumblr are pushy and angry and generally come off as assholes. But to ignore the message because of the messenger is just... it's not a smart thing to do.

You have never been on Tumblr, have you?

It's usually something like this: "I'M A FAT ATTENTION WHORE AND POST NOODZ TO SHOW ALL THE HATERS HOW FUCKING ADORABLE I AM", "I'M TRANSGENDER AND ALL THIS CIS SCUM NEEDS TO DIE TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE", "WHEN YOU'RE A WHITE HETEROSEXUAL MIDDLECLASS MALE, YOU'RE TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING WRONG IN THE WORLD!" and so on.

Shit's ridiculous, and Tumblr is a spawning pool of all sorts of fucked up social justice maniacs. And porn. And ponies.

Yeah, still don't get all of the Tumblr hate. I saw one of the blogs that someone posted to captured how "spiteful, hateful and just as bad as the people that they're fighting" Tumblr is...and it was a guy being sarcastic. In response to a tidal wave of tweets in response to the Super Bowl coke ad that was packed to the brim with racial slurs...I really don't get why I was supposed to see him as in the wrong.

I don't know, my exposure to it has been pretty limited, but I've been following a friend's blog for awhile now, and overall it's been a pretty enjoyable experience. Yeah, there are political stuff but not the whole "YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION OR YOU ARE AWFUL" stuff. Is the internet letting a vocal minority consume their vision of a much larger group again?

thaluikhain:
That is an accusation that has never not been used against people fighting for social justice, though.

That's not an argument against what I'm saying and you're not proving me wrong. Nor is it relevant, as it's often the people who do discuss social justice problems in a calm and rational manner who make sure meaningful changes on social ground actually happens. Think of Ghandi, think of Martin Luther King Jr.

But all that is besides the point. The point is that on Tumblr there is a community who are slowly becoming just as hateful as the people they're fighting. Is that so unthinkable? The same happened with the Black Panther Party at one point with certain members.

Because let's be honest; people are still people. Is it so weird that there are dicks on both sides of the fence, and that there's a community of said dicks on Tumblr?

sethisjimmy:
Oh I get it, because telling people not to tell racist or wear culture appropriating costumes or be bigots is truly equivalent to white nationalism and racism against people of color, right?

We can make that kind of witty observation now that we're post racism, am I right?

Badum tss!

Cultural appropriation is bullshit. Saying "You're not allowed to wear this because your genes are different from those who originally wore this" is nothing other than racism.

Chaosritter:
It's usually something like this: "I'M A FAT ATTENTION WHORE AND POST NOODZ TO SHOW ALL THE HATERS HOW FUCKING ADORABLE I AM", "I'M TRANSGENDER AND ALL THIS CIS SCUM NEEDS TO DIE TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE", "WHEN YOU'RE A WHITE HETEROSEXUAL MIDDLECLASS MALE, YOU'RE TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING WRONG IN THE WORLD!" and so on.

Okay, I'm sure that's really sad and threatening or... something.

But the problem still remains that body-shaming is bad. Transgender rights and acceptance is terrible. White, straight males tend to be supremely ignorant. To instinctively ignore those problems - not just from those people, but now, presumably, from every reasonable person that comes along past that... it's like being told, for example, by some crazy yelling guy on the street "GLOBAL WARMING IS BAD AND IT'S GOING TO DESTROY US ALL AND WE WILL DIE" and saying, "meh." And then a scientist says, "so, global warming's probably gonna cause really devastating effects," and again saying "meh."

Like, the problem does not change. The problem is still there. If you're the bigger, smarter person, y'think you could read through the lines of rhetoric.

Edit: I do use Tumblr. It's just mostly for Godzilla-related inanity.

Step 1: Write comic attacking SJWs
Step 2: Comment section blows up
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit!

For bonus points, remain generally ambiguous about your intents with said comic and your attitudes towards the movement.

I find tumblr is filled with butthurt white cis-males who are either don't want to let go of their superior power, firmly believing feminism, gays, and black people are ruining their lives and not because they are themselves a big jerk. They often feel personally attacked when non-white-cis people discuss experiences where a completely unrelated white cis-male treated them like shit.

Or white-cis-males upset that everyone doesn't want them to be a white knight and protect them while still maintaining behaviors conditioned on them by a society that deems them superior. Like, trying to take charge of everything and every conversation then telling everyone what to do and how to do it. Example: Women, don't you know men don't like it when you wear makeup? <- he thinks he's being feminist because makeup is for women pressured by the society to please men. Yet his language says, you still need to please men.

I mean, this one time I posted a picture of a statue of Anne Bonny and Mary Read, right about Black Flag's release cause I was excited about them being in the game. It had a little quote about the two women joining a crew of pirates despite it being considered bad luck back in the day. This random person messages me, "Clearly, Anne Bonny and Mary Read were bad luck for the men after all. Don't try to get on me about herp derp feminism, it's just obvious that if those women hadn't joined those pirates, they would have continued pirating without problems."

What the hell? 1. Random and completely unrelated to my post. 2. Since when does superstition hold so much water. Do you throw salt over your shoulder and avoid black cats too?

edit: also, every other message I got over that picture was like "LULZ BOOBIES! LOOK BOOBIES!" Because Anne Bonnie's boob is sticking out. People seem to not know that it's part of the legend she would expose her breast to her victims so they know they got bested by a woman.

Andy of Comix Inc:

thaluikhain:
SJW on tumblr spoiling our fun, pointing out our privilege, amirite?

Disappointing.

Yep. Eurgh. People are trying to fix a broken society. It's not their fault it is "annoying" to you when you, you know, aren't actually fucking affected by half the shit they're trying to fix. FEMINISM BAD! GO AWAY I DON'T NEED YOUR FEMINISM! Yes, and all the sex traffickers and religiously overzealous will thank you for your compliance. GO AWAY GAYS, YOU DON'T DESERVE SPECIAL RIGHTS! And the kid abandoned by his dad because he was gay will thank you for abiding by his homelessness.

Okay, so people on Tumblr are pushy and angry and generally come off as assholes. But to ignore the message because of the messenger is just... it's not a smart thing to do.

You can not honestly believe that bullying people into compliance with american standards of political correctness in their thought and creative work via hypermagnified outrage and self-righteous whining via accusations of countless types of -isms is going to have even a microscopic effect on global sex trafficking or the acceptance of homosexuals around the world.

That's not just stupid and misguided, that's self-absorbed.

I am torn on Tumblr. On one hand it is great that there is a place where people can find community like that. Before it, there was really no place for marginalized people to go and speak their mind on the internet to other people like them, without any type of moderation. For the most part, large LGBT sites are filled to the brim with old guard. Transgender sites were full of a certain type of transgender person that controlled the conversation, same with sites for Gay males and so on. Tumblr and to a lesser extent, Reddit were places where younger people could speak freely and meet with each other without the generational infighting.

Then Animal Farm happened and I left.

Now, that place should be called "Young White Girls know everything" or rather "White Female bodied people know everything"

That is not to say that that the boys club in gaming has not deserved a lot of what they have received. It has just gotten obnoxious.

That SJW bait <3

Now if we could only find some way to drive them into the sea.

sethisjimmy:
Oh I get it, because telling people not to tell racist or wear culture appropriating costumes or be bigots is truly equivalent to white nationalism and racism against people of color, right?

We can make that kind of witty observation now that we're post racism am I right?

Badum tss!

The tone of the sort of Tumblr posts being criticized here take the form of someone preaching tolerance while being as intolerant as possible, much the same way places like Stormfront claim that they totally aren't racists, they just think white people are best. The levels of self delusion and hypocritical message mongering are ridiculous.

Specifically, certain Tumblr-ites calling out people for, as you say, "culture appropriating costumes" while knowing nothing about the person they are criticizing, what culture they identify with or grew up in, and instead making assumptions about that person based solely on the color of their skin. For example, posting a picture of a white person dressed in a hip-hop style and accusing that person of cultural appropriation based entirely on the fact the person is white. Tying yourself to a social justice movement does not excuse a bunch of vitriolic, racist, bigoted, sexist behavior, whether said behavior comes from Stormfront or Tumblr, and that is what the comic is condemning.

Andy of Comix Inc:
Like, the problem does not change. The problem is still there. If you're the bigger, smarter person, y'think you could read through the lines of rhetoric.

The fact that there are problems is no excuse for behaving like a bully, nor is it beneficial to solving the problems in the long run.

To compare, a lot of bullies in school often have problems at home; they're bullied themselves by their parents, for instance. Does that excuse them bullying completely unrelated people at school? No it does not.

Andy of Comix Inc:
Okay, so people on Tumblr are pushy and angry and generally come off as assholes. But to ignore the message because of the messenger is just... it's not a smart thing to do.

Which is why he... doesn't do that? Come on, he's consistently been supportive of social justice, and his criticisms of Tumblr don't change that automatically.

Andy of Comix Inc:

White, straight males tend to be supremely ignorant.

I can agree on much of what you said in your post about how people ignore issues that seemingly don't directly affect them. The single line I quoted from you illustrates exactly the sort of problem Tumblr has though. Can you honestly read that line that you wrote and not see why it's problematic? Just replace "white" with "black" and see how you feel about it. If anyone on here said, "Black males tend to be supremely ignorant," this place would explode with replies to that person about how unbelievably racist they're being.

This is the very thing that's wrong with Tumblr, the people tying themselves to social justice movements and using that as an excuse to spout bigoted nonsense that gets a pass because it's targeted at people who belong to a majority. We cannot overcome racism, sexism and intolerance of others if we condemn it when its aimed at people who belong to minorities and ignore it, or worse, champion it when it's aimed at people who belong to a majority.

Edited after the fact for clarity.

Ok, generally I frown on click-bait which this really is. That said, watching this explode is going to be amazing.

Gorrath:

Andy of Comix Inc:

White, straight males tend to be supremely ignorant.

I can agree on much of what you said in your post about how people ignore issues that don't directly, or seemingly directly affect them. The single line I quoted from you illustrates exactly the sort of problem Tumblr has though. Can you honestly read that line that you wrote and not see why it's problematic? Just replace "white" with "black" and see how you feel about it. If anyone on here said, "Black males tend to be supremely ignorant," this place would explode with replies to that person about how unbelievably racist they're being.

Well, white, straight males do tend to be supremely ignorant! About issues facing PoC, about issues facing LGBT people, about issues facing girls and women! That's just... that's true! ...right?

I mean most people tend to be ignorant of most everything, but man... especially like, cis people are really ignorant of trans issues! And of course there are no "cis" issues to be ignorant of (if you can think of an injustice befalling the cis community, name one). The "black males tend to be supremely ignorant" would certainly be racist given context, but it depends what we're talking about. Probably it is true that, if we were talking about sexism in the African-American community, "black males tend to be supremely ignorant" would be apt. And in this case, talking about injustice against PoC, LGBT, and the female population... yes, white, straight males tend to be supremely ignorant.

It's like saying most old people are ignorant of issues facing today's youth. It's true. It's probably the same the opposite way, too, if you really want to split hairs.

Andy of Comix Inc:
White, straight males tend to be supremely ignorant.

You're not suggesting I'm prone to ignorance because of the color of my skin or my sexual preference, are you? Because that's prejudicial as hell.

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