Jimquisition: The Adblock Episode

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XDSkyFreak:
What really drives a nail in the coffin of any discusion on this thread is the rule that states peoplem aren't allowed to mention that they use of addblock ... this means at least one side of the argument (the side that actualy uses addblocking tech) gets silenced if they so much as admit to using it. Look, I get the point against people coming up and saying "I use it and so should you". That I get. But a person comes on a thread dedicated to discusing addblock, it's reasons to exist and be used and when and where it should not be used and says "I use it because my experience on your website has been constantly ruined by intrusive and disruptive adds that you might want to tone down, especialy for people with low bandwith" and that guy gets a warning, and his post gets hidden? That is feedback. As long as no venom was spat at you (and there are plenty such posts that got banned) then why ban the guy for sharing his opinion/thoughts wothout trying to force them?

And I've also read a reply I missed earlier about why such annoying ads get on. Because they offer more money per view. God do I hate short term thinking like that. This is what we call around these parts an unsustainable business model. You get more money per view and make more money in a small time frame. Kudos. You know what also happens? Your prestige gets a nose dive, people get annoyed, they start using addblock, and BAM: you just lost (in many cases forever) thousands of viewers whou could have generated a mountain of cash much bigger than the one you got for that annoying add. You don't get more money with annoying adds, you LOSE money in the long run. It's basic economics, yet aparently today they don't teach the value of a sustainable busines model and instead everyone just goes for "GET AS MUCH MONEY AS FAST AS YOU CAN AND FUCK THE CONSEQUENCES" Trouble is that works (to be PC about it) only in short term business like said annoying adds. When you apply that logic to a long term, potentially infinite term thing like a web-site, congrats: you are running a marathon but you shot yourself in the foot 100 metres into it's course.

Irony is that the escapist is often shaming publishers for business models like that. That smells a bit like hypocrisy

Well, I have a clean health meter, so I'll use this one time to be perfectly honest about my opinion on adblock.

Basically, I've always been massively paranoid when it comes to viruses. With some ads, not just here but on other sites, I've come to feel that it simply isn't safe to browse without adblock on. I can use some examples here of two sites where I don't use adblock, crunchyroll and thatguywiththeglasses.com.

On thatguywiththeglasses.com, I am forced to use adblock, lest blip.tv (which is a shitty service in the first place) put up an anti-adblock notice that stays on the screen for one and a half minutes, as opposed to most of the ads which only last thirty seconds at absolute maximum. Thing is, the ads on there are terrible. Some shorter videos end up with ads less than five minutes from each other. The banner ads are the thing that really concern me. I thought I had seen the end of "WIN A FREE IPAD" ads somewhere around 2008, but thatguywiththeglasses seems content to let them live. I would never conciously click on these of course, but even the thought that I may slip, as I may well do being a mousepad user, and completely fuck up my computer with this malicious ad terrifies me. I end up feeling kind of angry, I understand, they need to keep the site running and I'd hate to see things like nostalgia critic and todd in the shadows go under, but they would force me to put my computer at actual risk in order to do so.

Crunchyroll on the other hand, I actually CHOSE to remove adblock from. Sure, it's annoying to see the same shitty travel insurance advert over and over and over, but their banner ads seem largely harmless. I do so largely because the overpricing of anime in the UK is appalling. I don't pirate anything, partially because I'm a wannabe filmmaker myself and partially due to my aforementioned virus paranoia, but I see perfectly well why people do when HMV asks for 20 for a few episodes of FMA, never mind the chance that you may never find the next few episodes or the difficulty of finding complete series boxsets. I'm glad for the chance to be able to watch anime without either having to fork out massive amounts of money if I can even find what I want to watch or having to pirate it.

I, too think it's the fault of advertisers. There needs to be some standards put in place, yes, maybe even some actual laws, about how you can advertise on the internet. On here, I was terrified to browse without adblock. I'd get popups that I would come dangerously close to accidentally clicking when I was trying to click on something else as it suddenly appeared, I'd have to mute my computer entirely to avoid the risk that clicking an ad to mute audio would take me to another, malicious site. I can't even join pub club because as much as I'm sure the escapist takes care of our personal information, nobody is safe. I don't feel safe putting my bank details anywhere. I want to support the escapist, I don't like seeing it go through financial troubles, but I don't want to have to put my computer or bank details at risk to do so.

So, that's pretty much the gist of it, until someone out there steps in and stops the horrible advertising techniques for good, adblock's gonna have to remain on, not something I'm proud of, but simply something I have to do to maintain some feeling of safety, and for that, I am truly sorry.

I have never even needed to entertain the idea of blocking ads on a website. I have only seen an auto-sound playing advert once, and that was on a website that was probably dodgy in the first place... (the fact that the afore mentioned ad was placed in a position where you had to scroll way past the normal page, past a few meters of blank space to a point where the ad was just sitting, playing to itself!) I have also never had a problem on most sites on either my laptop, tablet or phone!

I completely understand the need for ads. It's what allows us to view the content of this site free (yes I pay for it, but I could have it free, like I used too, and like I often do at work) just like many, many other sites. I also understand that the websites need to attract the right kind of ads. Ones that interest the users, and from better companies, because at the end of the day they pay the site more money to host the ads in the first place.

How do you think a company will think if it is looking at perspective sites to host on, and site A has a zero ad-block policy, site B doesn't seem to take any interest in what the patrons do, and site C actively encourages it?

Site C is obviously out... why would they pay if no one will see it... so it's between A and B.

Site B is the next to be out, because next to site A it looks like users won't see the ads. They want to pay for the site that will get the most views, so A will be chosen over B. That's what the Escapist has to do. Most people on here don't pay the company, the ads do, so unlike a normal business with customers they have to weigh up having better paying ads with having the number of people visiting the site.

The ads pay for the content, and the content draws in the customers...
You can talk in hyoerboles and say that they will lose loads of customers because of obnoxious ads, or you can see that actually the number of customers will probably rise due to the better content.

If you have a problem with ads, then why don't you let the devs know in the groups made for that purpose? They can't see the site formatting on your screen, so Kross and his team can't tell you have a problem unless you maturely let them know...

Seriously if people block ads on your site there is something wrong with your advertisement model, I don't mind few banners at the bottom of the page and perhaps something bigger at the top but playing sounds, flooding people with pop-ups and launching videos in separate windows is just too much for many of us to bear. So thank you and you may now warn me -.-

I tend to frequent some...less than reputable sites, so a blocker of some sort is pretty much a requirement for me.

In relation to the escapist?

I do what I need to do in order to avoid being blasted with loud/brazen adverts while perusing media. If the ads here weren't so god damned obnoxious, I would be more inclined to disable my protection.

...It's honestly worth saying, the potential for a warning being as strong as it is, that the Escapist's advertising practices (big banners everywhere, pop out windows, long unskippable videos, loud elusive banner videos, etc.) were a big influence on my decision to run blocking software.

That said, I try to whitelist where I can, here and everywhere else, on anything I want to support. Specific youtube channels, random site videos, and such.

Just feels like I'm getting punished every time I disable the damned thing though.

And I've considered a pub membership, was just the other day in fact (trying to work it in to my budget purely for the sake of supporting you kind folks in some way), but this thread...what the hell, guys? You're not making that decision any more palatable for me.

It is really fucking hypocritical of the site to basically include a pledge drive, have it open to comment, and then actively punish the users for having their say. It effectively squanders any good will Jim's reasonable appeals have garnered. The mere fact that people are "afraid" for the future of this thread is ludricous, and reeks of a poor business approach. Congratulations, people who run the forums, you have the business sense of EA with the effectiveness of a bot, and a severe lack of reasoning skills.

To me, the line is crossed when an ad actively hijacks the page, forces me to visit another, leaving me to navigate the escapist site all the way through the mainpage and back to the article. Oh, and installing malware in the process (though it was not flagged as such until after the sending of the letter bellow). My way of dealing with that problem was to contact the site, reporting inapropriate content in a manner as insulting as this:

Hello,

Recently I have had my browser hijacked by adverts from the following page: i.mobiit.pw [Obviously, guys, don't click on it] . While not flagged as unsafe on any malware detectors I have installed, it does however remove me from the page I was visiting and forces me to go to theirs; when going back, I am back to the main page of the escapist, and not even returned to the content I wanted to read in the first place. This only ever happens when visiting the escapist, so the problem is on your end, not mine.

I do understand and sympathize with the need to have adverts as a source of revenue, and consider them a fair tradeof, which is why I do not use adblock on yours and similar sites. That does come with the caveat that said adverts must not be intrusive on my experience, be it through page hijacking, popups, or sonorous ads that play in the background without my permission (as was the case with video ads that would play when I opened a page, particularly jarring when browing through video content such as zero punctuation or Jimquisition). I am similarly aware that you do not and cannot personally greenlight every single ad that goes on your page, which is why I am bringing the guilty party to your attention, hoping that you do the right thing and find a middle ground where you neither lose the ads nor hassle your readership.

Best regards

Oh, the brutality and venom. Not only was this left unanswered but that same ad continued to run for 15 days. I still respect the work and ideas of Jim, Yahtzee and others on this site enough that I won't ad---ck the site (can't fucking believe I am cunting censoring such a motherfucking shitty word), but I *will* remove specific content.

The biggest irony? Before this incident, I did not even have ad---ck installed. Really sound business reasoning there, folks, actively pushing me to the application you desperately want to keep me from using.

I'll just say that it's a good thing I got a raise recently and could afford to join the Pub Club.

I can't believe ZamielTheHunter got a warning for his post. Essentially saying "I use adblock but didn't realise how much you guys rely on ads. I'll try find the money for a subscription". When your ads are so bad they are driving users like this to adblock, you really need to think about what you are doing. The only person you are hurting with this moderation is yourselves. You ban somebody who was using adblock? Congratulations you gain nothing. You may also have lost somebody who may one day have bought a subscription. They certainly won't be telling their friends about you. No revenue gained and potential revenue lost. It's also driving me, somebody who did get pubclub to re-consider it. This site is heading in a direction I'm not sure I'm on board with. Intrusive, malicious ads, viewgrabbing headlines with no real content, "top 10s"...

Either way, I'm definitely not renewing my subscription. Not even sure I'll still be on the site.

Elementary - Dear Watson:

The ads pay for the content, and the content draws in the customers...
You can talk in hyoerboles and say that they will lose loads of customers because of obnoxious ads, or you can see that actually the number of customers will probably rise due to the better content.

If you have a problem with ads, then why don't you let the devs know in the groups made for that purpose? They can't see the site formatting on your screen, so Kross and his team can't tell you have a problem unless you maturely let them know...

I think the 27 pages of this thread generally proves that a big portion of the user base is dissatisfied. And this isn't a new issue and has reared it's head before sadly. :(

As you said, sites like the Escapist and TGWTG.com rely on ad income to stay float. In fact I'm pressure sure the members of TGWTG need that income to make a living, as it is their full time job. Ads themselves are in no way a bad thing, hell we've learned to ignore them on TV all our lives, since you can just leave and take a bathroom break and no one is unhappy. I've learned to live with internet ads and know better than to click on them.

But I'd make the case some leeway has to be found here, if a sizable amount of people are unhappy with the ad content, and expressing concern about the risk it puts their machines under, then it needs to be taken into consideration and discussed, while I can't comment on the workload of the staff, or if there is any kind of method in place to determine what adverts go on the website. But if the quality and standards could be improved, then surely it would enable more people to use the website without having to resort to any measures in place. Thereby improving the income and content?

I want to try and be respectful and not get in trouble. I enjoy the content that gets uploaded here, and I've made several friends and things like Escapism are stuff I really look forward too. I think the issue on the ads certainly can;t be ignored anymore if this is any indication. You can't make much of anything if the userbase is too afraid to help support the website for various reasons.

No offence intended Escapist staff. I bet what I'm saying has been said many times before anyway.

Kross:
The core of why it exists is that people who block ads are leeching resources, encouraging/enabling someone else to do the same is close to directly stealing from those of us who make a living off of this website. While we would all like to have a mutually enjoyable discussion about our views on the topic, our rent money makes it less flexible then most topics. While there's plenty of misunderstanding or non-personal reasons for running an ad blocker, we're generally disinterested in spending money on resources for these self proclaimed leeches. Please respect this.

Breaking my self-imposed Escapist ban to comment on this (saw article on techdirt - Nice going getting on the wrong side of history that badly)

There are any number of ways to support yourselves and your content - Obnoxious and frequently broken advertisements do nothing but drive people away. I was, at one point, one of the first members of Pub Club within a week or two of its announcement, because I supported that model (I cancelled said membership when the reporting quality of many articles went severely downhill - if memory serves, the first time I saw the same "durr Piracy is Stealing" argument you just deployed).

I continued to visit, without adblock, up until relatively recently when you broke Zero Punctuation for several hours so that it would play ads over... and over... and over... and over... but never get to the actual video. That, to me, was the last straw.

I won't be using adblock on Escapist, so you needn't worry about my "stealing" revenue from you. But nonetheless, you won't be getting that revenue, because it is eminently clear that I can no longer visit this website due to a combination of lack of quality and arbitrary, draconian policies.

Your actions have consequences. And lost revenue due to people getting sick of your shit is still lost revenue. Something worth keeping in mind.

I've never used "ad block" software and I don't plan to.

But I will add this little tidbit to the conversation. I clicked the play button for "Jimquisition" and an add for something called "Psycho pass" played. Immediately before or after this (I'm not sure) my cursor must've gone over an ad for Jeep which expanded and began playing it's own video.

So there was a Jeep commercial literally overlapping a "Psycho Pass" commercial.

That's all I have to say.

I use Adblock and no-script, but I'm conflicted about it. I totally understand the need for revenue streams, but there has to be some balance. For those of you who listen to commercial radio, would you listen to a station that played an advertisement between every song? How about if it was the SAME ADVERTISEMENT each time? And if you are listening to the radio in the car, would you allow the radio to force you to pull into McDonalds to try to sell you a happy meal?

In my opinion, that's what internet advertising has come to. And don't even get me started about the system attacks. Its far from only porn sites. That's a myth propagated by the 'she was raped because she was asking for it' crowd.

So, I go thru a cycle of white listing sites until they get out of hand, blocking them, and then feeling guilty about it after a while and white listing them again. Wash, rinse, repeat. I like the escapist, and I'm feeling guilty, so its white listed again.

I'm not about to buy Jim a dildo. Because, in the interest of fairness and equality, I'd have to buy one for Movie Bob and Yahtzee. I doubt they'd appreciate it (as much).

It's the official Escapist Forums Reading Drinking Game! (accept no substitutions!)

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2. Take a shot every time someone gets a warning.
3. Take 2 whenever someone gets banned.
4 (optional). Mix a cocktail and chug it whenever someone tries to be civil- and gets a warning anyway.
5. Take 3 whenever a mod or admin posts in the topic
6. Down the whole bottle when it gets featured in a news editorial.

Will anyone take up this challenge? Will anyone survive?

Grenge Di Origin:
It's the official Escapist Forums Reading Drinking Game! (accept no substitutions!)

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6. Down the whole bottle when it gets featured in a news editorial.

Will anyone take up this challenge? Will anyone survive?

Damn that is nearly as hardcore as the drinking games in the LRR livestreams.

Zipa:

Grenge Di Origin:
It's the official Escapist Forums Reading Drinking Game! (accept no substitutions!)

1. Read from page 1.
2. Take a shot every time someone gets a warning.
3. Take 2 whenever someone gets banned.
4 (optional). Mix a cocktail and chug it whenever someone tries to be civil- and gets a warning anyway.
5. Take 3 whenever a mod or admin posts in the topic
6. Down the whole bottle when it gets featured in a news editorial.

Will anyone take up this challenge? Will anyone survive?

Damn that is nearly as hardcore as the drinking games in the LRR livestreams.

Dude, just call the hospital and down 4 jackies right away, it'll save you a decent amount of time and you wouldnt have to dig trough 27 pages of this BS beforehand. Seriously.

In all honesty, I'd probably follow the previous advice and migrate over to Youtube if the above rubs you the wrong way. Personally im a bit dissapointed there is no direct way to give Jim or Yahtzee money, because honestly, I want to support THEM and not the site. For a variety of reasons allready stated before by other people.

You know... if you're worried about malware from ads, you could try using something like noscript instead. Noscript basically stops any non-white-listed script from running unless you set it otherwise, so it's a lot more reliable, protects your computer more effectively, and doesn't exactly block ads across the board like adblock might (since you can whitelist any safe/unobtrusive advertising source on an individual basis). It's kind of a win-win option for everyone.

As people are getting warned for things (and the message on Jim's post seems to have changed, i swear at the start it mentioned an amnesty but I may be wrong) I feel i have to say that I do not use AdBlock.

That fact that I do not use AdBlock is the reason why I just encountered a autoplaying video, with no pause button or mute button, only way to shut it up was to click it and close the window that appeared. The escapist isn't the only site to do this sort of thing, autoplaying videos are becoming more and more common.

I say again, this is a two way street, advertisers however seem to be holding a gun to both site owners and site readers heads saying do what we want or we stop giving money to make content. TBH i don't know how this sort of situation can be fixed unfortunately :(

Gonna be a interesting few years, wondering what will happen to online advertising if the tech bubble bursts.

Everyone here seems to have a nightmarish time with Escapist ads. I don't have adblock or anything but I don't get these intrusive ads. No ads before the videos. No hidden max-volume ads. Not unless safari has a setting I don't know about and I doubt it because there are many other sites on the internet that are nightmarish for me.

IceForce:
Wow, look at this. The Escapist is in the news:

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140306/06471226459/escapist-website-content-creator-puts-up-video-about-adblock-moderators-warnsuspend-people-discussing-adblock-comments.shtml

That doesn't happen every day.

...Define 'the news' ...because that's no outlet I've ever particularly paid much attention to regarding current events. Even events on the internet. Hell Twitter keeps me more up to date on current events. If it was on some place 80% of us have ever heard of maybe that'd be a thing to behold.

That's just...news. Which we are experiencing here.

Clearly a member of that website had an account here and no longer does. And wishes to let people know that.

Quick tip for future poster instead of saying "I use adblock" replace it with "I don't see the problem with adblock" now you're not breaking the rules and can still discuss the subject.

The7Sins:

Durgiun:
Oh, fine, since you asked so nicely. Unlike Linkara, that git.

May I ask you please to link to the post\video Linkara made where he was an ass on this? Would be an interesting read\watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67ZZUSpeS4k

There you go. And I agree with Durgiun, Linkara's video is way worse.

Signed up to say that I am whitelisting this website with Adblock. I am willing to do so with content creators that ask me to do so in order to allow them to do what they do. For me, Adblock is not an absolute principle, but rather a choice: You don't have the inherent right to profit off of by web presence, but you do have the right to ask for compensation for your service to me, and if that means putting up with a few banners then that's fine with me.

EDIT: So I disabled Adblock on the Escapist, and lo, the flash ads crashed my YouTube video. I tried using something similar to NoScript to be selective, but I couldn't figure it out. Too much trouble. Sorry, guess I'm going to just support you with affection. :P

ERaptor:

Zipa:

Grenge Di Origin:
It's the official Escapist Forums Reading Drinking Game! (accept no substitutions!)

1. Read from page 1.
2. Take a shot every time someone gets a warning.
3. Take 2 whenever someone gets banned.
4 (optional). Mix a cocktail and chug it whenever someone tries to be civil- and gets a warning anyway.
5. Take 3 whenever a mod or admin posts in the topic
6. Down the whole bottle when it gets featured in a news editorial.

Will anyone take up this challenge? Will anyone survive?

Damn that is nearly as hardcore as the drinking games in the LRR livestreams.

Dude, just call the hospital and down 4 jackies right away, it'll save you a decent amount of time and you wouldnt have to dig trough 27 pages of this BS beforehand. Seriously.

In all honesty, I'd probably follow the previous advice and migrate over to Youtube if the above rubs you the wrong way. Personally im a bit dissapointed there is no direct way to give Jim or Yahtzee money, because honestly, I want to support THEM and not the site. For a variety of reasons allready stated before by other people.

I don't get ads here anyway as I am a pubclub member. That said though no one likes obnoxious ads so I can totally see why people do get pissed off with them to the point of using you know what.

First off I would like to say: IF YOU WANT TO SUPPORT A SITE AND HAVE NO MONEY TO GIVE, WHITELIST IT!!!!!

That being said, I feel like the Escapist has had a real problem with ads for a long while now and this thread is simply the flash point. I started visiting the escapist my freshman year of college and am still on it three months after finishing a Masters, the vast majority of the time keeping the site whitelisted (I started going here before i knew what Adblock was).

Most of the time I can deal with the Ads on the Escapist but this site has a tendency to host experience destroying ads like the one I ran into just the other day. I was trying to watch a moviebob video but some autoplay ad about some dude on a bike started playing at the same time as the video, making the audio and video de-sync on the video I came to see in the first place. There was also an ad a while back that blocked the reply to thread box. as a result I stopped using the forums for a few weeks.

I understand that the Escapist needs to make money and that ads are a major way of generating income, but some of these ads place the user in the situation of either having to turn adblock on to use the site or leave it entirely. The Pub Club was a very good idea but you have to remember that a fair number of your users cannot swing $20. For that much money a person could get 5 or 6 meals off the dollar menu. On top of the pub club, I think a simple donation button on the front page would generate more money than these ads that are chasing your users off site and behind adblockers more and more as time goes on. I'm typing this from my mother's basement so I can;t swing $20 a year but I and many other users could donate $5 every so often.

I'm also rather surprised by the moderating on this thread. The Escapist Forums are the best moderated I have seen since Megatokyo in it's hay day. I've attracted some mod agrro once or twice in the past but I'd earned it each time. The Escapist mod staff is really good at telling the difference between telling the difference between vitriolic bile and honest discussion, although I must say y'all dun goofed a bit on this thread.

Don't beat your users about the head and face with censorship and public shaming because you can't adapt to a new market reality you just happen to dislike. (Tech Dirt)

I'm not trying to be inflammatory or to urge anyone to adblock the site, I'm simply stating my own thoughts and opinions based on my own experiences on the site. The true test of a company is not just in how well you can keep your customers happy, but in how well they respond to situations like this in which your customers are unhappy. I hope someone in a decision making capacity is paying attention to this thread.

I don't get it, I haven't had adblock for years and I have none of the problems a bunch of people are claiming. I had one, ONE! noisy ad a couple days ago, but it was the first one I ever had on this site, and I was eventually able to silence it. I don't get anything malicious or filled with viruses, so what are all the anti ads people talking about?

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Sure thing, Jim. I'm fine with that. I do the same with Linkara's videos, and to know I'm helping you just by watching...makes me feel rather happy inside.

To AdBlock users and to people who want to improve the state of online advertisement:

https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads

AdBlock Plus' dev team doesn't like intrusive ads, neither do most people. They have a feature that allows "acceptable" or "non-intrusive ads." I like this idea a lot as it provides advertisers incentive to make less intrusive ads. Only problem is, more people need to know about it.

The feature is enabled by default, but I turned adblock on for the Escapist to test it out and noticed that none are flagged as non intrusive, even though the ones on the right were fairly acceptable (static, non-moving, no sound, etc.).

I'm no expert on the flagging thing but if someone could figure out how to make the Escapist's less intrusive ads allowed through adblock, that might start a trend.

Something to consider...

For the record I disable adblock on all sites except ones that I deem it necessary. I.e: when they're realllly annoying.

I am more than happy to pay the $0.10 per add you get as revenue, if content driven sites such as the escapist would start putting some kind of button to let me give you that money via pay pal, I am more than happy to do that. How ever, the annoying adds that play sound, capture mouse movement and other potential security concerns I have with allowing any form of flash, active X, or any other scripts that I do not explicitly white list (with my current set up I must allow each and every single script to run that has not been explicitly white listed). Furthermore, I would be more inclined to allow adds if I was on a secure HTTPS connection rather than a simple port 80 HTTP connection.

Marter:

Bara_no_Hime:
1) Not on any of the pages I've read. But fair enough. If you can't, you can't. Is it because it's based on featured content?

2) Above it says "wombat of war was banned for this post" - hence my confusion. ... what is ticket abuse?

3) 5.5% of 900 is fifty (49.5) posts. 50. That is not a small number.

1) Yes. We don't lock content threads.

When you say that do you mean it's not possible given some technical problem or it's some rule that needs to be changed? If it's the latter then this thread set a precedent, when someone working for the Escapist makes something that is gonna cause so much moderation then it should be locked the instant things start going wrong. Do it for the sake of the users please, it's very unnerving to see so much moderation in one thread.

Xan Krieger:
When you say that do you mean it's not possible given some technical problem or it's some rule that needs to be changed? If it's the latter then this thread set a precedent, when someone working for the Escapist makes something that is gonna cause so much moderation then it should be locked the instant things start going wrong. Do it for the sake of the users please, it's very unnerving to see so much moderation in one thread.

The latter. It's not a decision made at a moderator level.

Marter:

I guess you're welcome to think that. I don't believe anyone needed to say "I adblock The Escapist" in order to discuss the software. That's what is getting people warnings. Admissions of use. Not even "I can see why people would use it because X, Y, Z." Admission. And I find it hard to believe Jim would create something just so people would get warned.

Also known as mentioning Adblock. Which means people have been warned for mentioning Adblock, contrary to your claim that nobody has been.

Have you always been at war with Eurasia?

Marter:

Xan Krieger:
When you say that do you mean it's not possible given some technical problem or it's some rule that needs to be changed? If it's the latter then this thread set a precedent, when someone working for the Escapist makes something that is gonna cause so much moderation then it should be locked the instant things start going wrong. Do it for the sake of the users please, it's very unnerving to see so much moderation in one thread.

The latter. It's not a decision made at a moderator level.

So basically talk to Greg Tito about it?

Also nice AJ Lee avatar, she's probably the best diva in the WWE right now.

Marter:

I can understand the point. We've laid out in some of the earlier pages why we still had to warn people blatantly admitting to it. That's not something in which the moderators really had a choice, and it's still possible to discuss adblockers without it, which a far greater number of people have done.

But other people are blatantly admitting to using Adblock, but not being warned, because they say they whitelist The Escapist.

Why the double standard? Admitting to using it and having a whitelist is still "blatant admission."

It's also not clear why people "blatantly admitting to it" should be against the rules in the first place. Who is it that writes these rules, and when was the last time they were reviewed?

The7Sins:

Durgiun:
Oh, fine, since you asked so nicely. Unlike Linkara, that git.

May I ask you please to link to the post\video Linkara made where he was an ass on this? Would be an interesting read\watch.


He makes his money with his bed time readings, you guys. His work is super fucking hard. He has no time to do anything else (discounting conventions, crossovers and masturbating over his greatness).

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