Jimquisition: The Adblock Episode

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You asked nicely so I bought a Pub Club membership 10 minutes ago.. I cannot abide ads but less than 2 bucks a month for a site I read daily is not much to ask for.

HOWEVER, I really don't like all the warnings I've seen so far in this thread (I'm on page 5) - whether it's against the forum rules or not, it really doesn't sit well with me. Just my opinion.

TheMadDoctorsCat:

There's a general perception that all internet advertising is scamming ("You're the one-millionth visitor to this website! Click here to claim your prize!") that's generally aimed at people too young or inexperienced with the 'net to know any better. Some of them aimed at children (the Spongebob-themed one "shoot the jellyfish to claim a prize" comes to mind) strike me as particularly repulsive. I'm not sure that ALL advertising is like this, but nowadays I wouldn't dare to click even on the ads that name legitimate companies. Yeah, it might SAY it's from a reputable banking website, but so did those e-mails I used to get, before content filtering became a "thing", that wanted my online banking username and password for a "security update".

This in many ways is the crux of the problem. Advertisers never learn. That thing we order from the back of a comic turned out to be a dud: we stop ordering from comics. That commercial does things the toy seems to fail at: we stop falling for commercials. Miracle products from infomercials that don't actually work: stop buying from late night TV. Telemarketers: same thing Then came the internet and first it was fly by night scams out for our credit cards, and now it's full malware. Even live sales people have me seeing scams. As soon as I hear someone say they're from an energy companay about anything, I assume all they want is to sign me to a 5 year contract at shitty rates no matter what else they're trying to say about rebate programs.

The concept of advertising is great. Don't we all want to know about goods and services we might have overlooked? Isn't that what Trailers are? However a lack of truth in advertising sours all of us on the concept, and instead of trying to make marketing something we can trust and look forward to, marketers fall back of dirtier and dirtier tricks and villify us. How dare you not risk malware on your computer so we can keep in business, instead of complaining to the malware ad that they are the ones hurting your business by making people afraid to even look at your ads.

TopazFusion:

Use Our Forums Appropriately

Ad Blockers - Do not link to, advocate, or admit to using ad blockers

Gotta say, as a mod, it's pretty exasperating how obvious it is that people have not, or will not, read the forum rules.
Such people often then complaining that they're being warned unfairly, for breaking a rule they never knew existed, etc.

All of this can be alleviated by giving the forum rules a proper and thorough read.

How about you just close this entire topic then. If you're just going to punish an entire point of view on the subject you might as well stop pretending you want any proper discourse.

And just FYI, I'm not trying to be hostile. I'm just trying to be direct.

nobody hates you Jim ... they just say that because they have nothing better to do :)

Now I feel bad about using Adblocker. I will remove it from this site and your other channels immediately.

Will you accept a package of adult diapers as compensation?

Vareoth:
How about you just close this entire topic then. If you're just going to punish an entire point of view on the subject you might as well stop pretending you want any proper discourse.

I've complained about this before.

Had this thread been made by an ordinary user, it would've been locked on page 1 or 2.
But for some reason, if it's a content thread, it never gets locked (even in cases where a lock is quite obviously needed).

I've just watched your ad block show. Now I am a self confessed wind-up clock in a digital world. I don't know if I have ad block on, I wouldn't of thought I do. As these things tend to be an option, someone who was born in #91 should know how to do. It also had a big box around the screen trying to sell phones.

but I support the idea of internet advertising in essence. It founds creative people to provide service for different demographics, more old school forms of media wouldn't reach. It should just be more up front.

"HEY YOU! Do you not have enough shit? Are you tired of having to go all the way to your friends house to see their face? Buy this phone so you don't even have to leave the comfort of your own wifi hub."

Thus stepping ever closer to the Orwellian abyss. Now I know this is the technology of my childhood science fiction, now in my life time: 3d printers, wireless internet, facetime on phones with more computing power than the Apollo luna missions. and internet advertising is a big part of that revolution. Telling people what the next thing for them to spend money they don't have, on things they don't need.

Also I'm not one of these religious nuts, Darwin bless them, who see science as the devils work. that would be a tad hypocritical, as even now I'm messaging you from the other side of our planet intently.

I must just be old fashioned. Cause I like my printers to print, and my scanners too scan. but maybe that's just me.

Louis lost to the digital generation since 1991

Member of the publisher's club, consider it very worthwhile in terms of benefits per buck.

I feel like there's a whole lot less bad press for individual online advertisements which aren't only boring, annoying, or distracting...but can actually be stuffed with all kinds of nasty surprises on them. Because it's expected to a degree.

Or maybe it's because the people who do advertisements of the scum-sucking variety could pack up and move to a different country within the time it'd take for someone up the ladder to pay attention.

I just don't understand why anyone would endorse the auto-play video ads that have sound. They don't make me in anyway want to buy the product. They just piss me off because I have to go play the game of "let's find where this fucking video is somewhere in this cluster fuck of ads and stop it so that I don't have some lady yelling in my fucking ears about laundry detergent." These ads made me want to AVOID the company's product rather than buy them.

Then there's the ones that take advantage of the gullible and can result in those people ruining their computers. If a site runs those kind of ads, fuck them. They honestly don't deserve the money because they are supporting a scam that harms people. I've never fallen for any of that kind of shit but I know people who have and it really sucks for them.

I hadn't really thought about it from the point of view from the provider, i have white listed the escapist website, i have already experienced having to pause a video because i could not mute an ad in the sidebar i just had to wait for it to play out, i am not opposed to supporting this content but i would like to to run a little smoother

I'd rather send Jim a dildo or one of his amazon wishlist items than ever turn off adblocking. It's just too annoying, too frustrating, and most importantly too much of a security risk to ever turn it off. Even if the escapist itself isn't running malware, someone buying some adtime might, I know facebook is one of the largest infection vectors on the internet.

End result is that to avoid malware/virus infection and preserve my sanity, I'm running not one but two adblockers, and two more plugins for blocking various data mining websites do, as well as a plugin from my anti-virus software.

If it's cheap enough I might subscribe though. I'd rather pay a monthly fee than subject myself to the horror that is the internet ads.

I'm sympathetic to content creators though, I don't like having to do this, but I'm left with little choice if I want a smooth and virus-free browsing experience.

Whitelisting is not hard, just google how to do it.

I often also whitelist web comic sites because they often only advertise other web comics to keep my interests fed as well as other content creator sites such as youtube, penny arcade, destructoid, and roosterteeth. I want to keep certain websites funded so that they can keep rolling out content but I have also accidentally clicked one too many links were they attempted to use adverts to inject viruses into my computer.

Formatting a hard drive is not a pleasant experience if you did not backup recently.

Jesus, after all the warnings I'll be right pissed if I get one for contributing to the conversation.

Honestly the advertising is extremely annoying on mobile version of escapist when some app called mobogenie actually tries to force you to download it in .apk form when you enter the site the first thing you have to do when coming here on mobile is cancel the install and to me that is just infuriating and i will not put up with that so i stopped visiting escapist from my smart phone the same way i stopped watching tv because of ads and switched my free time to videogames. It is sometimes quite strange as people feel somehow superior to you cause you are playing videogames while they watch TV in their free time exposing themselves to all those retarded adds and shitty sitcoms.

Hmm that's odd, don't have permission to edit my post here.

Just wanted to add that I'm now subbed to the pub club.

I mostly got Adblock for auto playing ads on videos you can't skip, especially for blip. I watch a lot of videos on blip, in marathons even. I like to listen to them in the background while I do other things. But there are often 3-4 ads per video you can't skip at all. One in the beginning, two through the middle, and one at the end, and its often the same ad over and over. I got a disneyworld ad back during halloween every video. I just couldn't stand it. I don't like having it on, but if it's for old videos I keep it on, new videos that just came out, I'll turn it off. Simple as that. Thing is I don't really understand how the payment system works for ads. If there was any detailed explanation on this provided I'd know when to turn adblock off or not, so content creators get what they deserve.

I've got Escapist on the white-list, but damn it can be a pain sometimes. Autoplaying ads that only stop when you click directly on them and open a new tab? Really? And I even had to refresh the page because only the ad was playing and not the episode. But I don't only use the website for videos, so I tolerate it because I also use the forums.

While I do have adblock installed I immediately whitelist sites like The Escapist and other sites I trust.

And still I don't get much ads at times.
For example on this site, video ads never play and I feel guilty every time I watch a video.
Luckily I've had some of the non video ads from time to time. Look I'm not trying to suck up here, it's just how I see things.
If all it takes for me to enjoy this mountain of content from all over the internet is to be slightly inconvenienced by ads I'll gladly do it.

And yet they don't play a lot of the time and it's really frustrating because I can't afford to directly pay all the content creators I enjoy.

It's easy to blame the end user for this kind of thing but perhaps it is better to blame the model as a whole.

TV and Radio advertising, the advertiser pays the company a chunk of money and for that money they reach an agreement on how much, how often and when their adverts are shown. Now I can't block these ads as easily as I could online but nothing is stopping me from turning to a different channel, or radio station or DVRing the TV and fast forwarding through the adverts. End of the day the folk airing the ad still get paid and the annoying adverts don't bug me.

The issue with sites being paid per advert request from the advertisers server or by the number of times an ad is clicked on is the issue. Do the TV and Radio station get extra cash every time I watch and advert or if I decide to visit my local McDonalds because I saw their advert, no of course they don't.

When you then combine the payment model in line with the ever increasing number of ads and the ever increasing level of intrusion is it any wonder people decide to use something to get rid of them? Yeah it isn't right but the payment model for internet advertising in many ways dictates that adverts be in your face most of the time.

End of the day if a site wants to us advertising then it is up to the site to ensure that the advertising is there in such a way that it does become intrusive, it's up to the site to veto what links it allows to be added to it's content (and yes I've seen the people who have had issues with viruses etc being loaded in via embedded adverts on otherwise legit sites.) If people are choosing to ad block your site then their is a reason so it really is a poor show for sites with poor adverts to then beg cap in hand for people to stop using ad blocking software.

PS I am not commenting specifically on Jim's video asking to stop using ad blocks here or how good or bad The Escapists ads are I am stating that many site admins and mods complain about folk using ad block while having some truly awful, intrusive adverts embedded on their sites.

I have a case by case basis where ad block is concerned. I watch each show, and then, based on whether feel like that particular video has a message I want to support, or not, I let refresh the page with ad block turned off, or I don't. I cannot, however, know if a a particular show (not just yours, all the content creators for all the different websites. I can't make the decision to turn ad block off until I know, for a fact, that I want to support the content of a particular video. I do this here. I do this on youtube. I do this everyone. I keep ad block on. I watch. Then, if I want to support a particular video, I turn ad block off and let it run again with the ads. I go get a glass of water, or what have you, so I don't have to watch them, but I do it.

That's the best I can do. I wouldn't feel right supporting a message unless I knew what the message was first.

With that in mind . . . I certainly support your right to speak your mind on this issue. Keep up the good work Jim.

Vareoth:

TopazFusion:

Use Our Forums Appropriately

Ad Blockers - Do not link to, advocate, or admit to using ad blockers

Gotta say, as a mod, it's pretty exasperating how obvious it is that people have not, or will not, read the forum rules.
Such people often then complaining that they're being warned unfairly, for breaking a rule they never knew existed, etc.

All of this can be alleviated by giving the forum rules a proper and thorough read.

How about you just close this entire topic then. If you're just going to punish an entire point of view on the subject you might as well stop pretending you want any proper discourse.

And just FYI, I'm not trying to be hostile. I'm just trying to be direct.

Agreed. I say just close this thread. Because so far from reading the comments the only people who have gotten warnings are those who are just being honest and adding their own reasons to a discussion that the CONTENT CREATOR made a video about. There haven't been anyone doing a "I use X to fuck you" post but honest posters making posts adding to the dialogue that Jim himself talked about and if he has no beef with it neither should your forum rules.

To ignore this and just throw everything on the user is lazy moderation and a demonstrating that people can't really have a proper dialogue on these forums because of the forum rules being too strict.

This is why I really don't like these forums anymore. Too much moderation and too many rules where even good people are being banned for the most inane reasons that even if talked about in public nothing would happen to them. All the old forum regulars have been permabanned and honestly the only thing I see are people who post now are those that just say "good video" but forced to make it three paragraphs long to not get reported by other users for "little content".

NewClassic:

To me, that's more a rule of courtesy than not. I can't imagine you'd go into the house of a director and over polite dinner discuss their movies with the proviso that the only reason you watch them is because you can pirate them and get them free. By extension, the Escapist is just asking that people don't bring them up while you're here.

That analogy doesn't really hold up for me. Most directors direct movies because they love the craft of making movies, not because they want to be rich. By putting it this way, you're essentially saying that The Escapist is in it just for the advertising dollars, not for the content.

By making it a verboten topic, you're only drawing more attention to it. It's quite Orwellian, especially given the other rather provocative topics that get brought up here regularly, such as gender, sexuality, politics and business practices.

In fact, a significant part of The Escapist's content involves criticising the way game publishers make their money, often in very blunt terms. It seems rather hypocritical for The Escapist to turn around and essentially say "Oh, we can criticise other companies' business models all we like, but don't you dare even mention ours."
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NewClassic:
That's probably the biggest problem. Sites don't always have the freedom to dictate which ads are shown where. Most ad networks just sell ads, and then transmit them through their system rather than being vetted personally by the sites that employ them.

So, why doesn't the Escapist have this freedom? Nobody put a gun to the company's head and forced them to sign up with a particular ad network. It's not like The Escapist is a tiny, unknown site with no options (although it isn't a huge player, either). But it's a big enough site that it should have the ability to curate advertising.

Many sites both smaller and larger than The Escapist have chosen to not blindly accept advertising - so what's the reason you can't?

Edited to add:

I see that people are still getting warnings simply for admitting to using Ad blockers, in this thread? I mean, really. That just shows you aren't really interested in honest discussion. You think by now that people are suddenly going to start using an ad blocker because someone on this thread admits it?

This just seems really paranoid, and chilling to proper discussion. Can you tell us how far up The Escapist's management chain this authorisation of warning for people simply admitting to using ad blockers in this thread went? Who was it that approved the terms of this supposed "armistice"?

he he he If those pictures are representative of the porn you watch we have similair tastes Jim. :3 (muscle girls and twinks, that is xD)
I'll turn Adblock off, but if I have to scroll to the bottom of the page and search for a tiny window where ads or news with sound are being shown I swear to god I'll... dunno, watch more porn maybe :p
One of the most annoying types of advertisement. Sometimes you don't know from which website the sound's coming from and you desperately search through the dozens(if you're like me) of open tabs to find it.

Edit: Yes, I know admitting to using adblock is against the rules but seriously if you don't want to stifle the discussion here on this topic about adblock, brought up by one of your content creators, then I suggest you make an exception.

Alright, since you asked nicely.

It's off.

I don't use adblock, mostly because I need something to get pissed at and blow off steam, and insufferable ads made by hacks and lazy, incompetant interns are among the best of sources for this itch of mine.

There is where "empathy" would come into play. Or at least should. I can very easily think of a situation where I'm monetizing my potential videos to get food or rent money AND I wouldn't like to be losing money to, what is essentially, a little pirating program.

I don't use adblock. I wouldn't want it used against me... so I have absolutely no cause to use it, myself. It's that simple.

The worst I've done is, if the doubling up of certain ads that have multi-layered processes... which causes flash to crash every time, I grab the embedded video code and just watch it in an empty html page. But I still watch the commercials on the video itself.

Edit: But here's something... I thought subscribers got very little to no advertisements. Is that not the case? If you're paying money to support the content and yet are being double-dipped by ads... well... that's as shifty as the practice of having game stores in games you pay a monthly subscription to keep playing.

I like how everyone admitting to use add block on the escapist gets a warning despite being rather polite and reasonable about it.
Nice way to moderate a topic started by a content creator. Well played Jim... well played.

As for the topic. I think it's a lost battle that has to be fought regardless.

I've seen "User received a warning for this post" enough times in this thread to make me nervous, so I won't say anything about my own dealings with advertisements. I will, however, say this- advertisements, or more accurately the "Wild West" atmosphere around them, are their own greatest problem. Advertisements can overload Internet connections, crash browsers, even install viruses on your computer, and many of the companies who serve these ads (as opposed to those whose sites display them) don't care in the least. The old adage "don't visit suspicious sites" doesn't even help, either, since this has happened to sites as "trustworthy" as Yahoo and The New York Times.

So there are reasons for blocking advertisements other than "I just don't wanna see ads".

I usually don't mind ads, but ones which typically involve you do tend to annoy me.

I went through phases of Adblock being on and off (right now it's off, so), I don't really like the thought of depriving the content creator of compensation (even if they're getting most of it from various other sources of equal value to me).

I'm pretty sure the fact that I don't have ad blocker, I have flash completely disabled, I never have see ads on the escapist, but Jim will be paid some trivial fraction by me proves Jim is partially wrong.

I do find Jim to be crude and offensive, and he could tone the language down since this site if frequented by minors who's parents should have the entire site outright blocked, but know know how to do that. Same goes for Yatzee. Nanny bot software should defiantly have escapistmagazine.com blocked.

That being said, I hope the escapist and Jim enjoy the Money I pay them to make the site ad and flash free.

This is going to be difficult to discuss without incurring mod wrath.
I'd love to support the Escapist and it's content creators, but the ads are so obnoxious and annoying. I'm not out to screw anyone over other than the advertisers.

Tastum:
You asked nicely so I bought a Pub Club membership 10 minutes ago.. I cannot abide ads but less than 2 bucks a month for a site I read daily is not much to ask for.

HOWEVER, I really don't like all the warnings I've seen so far in this thread (I'm on page 5) - whether it's against the forum rules or not, it really doesn't sit well with me. Just my opinion.

Cerebrawl:
Hmm that's odd, don't have permission to edit my post here.

Just wanted to add that I'm now subbed to the pub club.

I went ahead and subscribed while I was watching the video as well. I wasn't aware the subscription price was that cheap.

Ishigami:
I like how everyone admitting to use add block on the escapist gets a warning despite being rather polite and reasonable about it.
Nice way to moderate a topic started by a content creator. Well played Jim... well played.

As for the topic. I think it's a lost battle that has to be fought regardless.

I find it funny that these people seem to be getting dinged for the part of the rules which forbids admitting the use of adblockers, but there have been many who admit to using them but claim to whitelist this site who skate on through without a warning. Warning in this thread is bad enough if Jim actually wanted a productive discussion on this, but doing so while failing to warn those who also violate the rule yet happen to fall on the other side of the argument is just shit.

I don't get why more sites don't use sponsorship like Rev3 do. There's no way to block and ad that's part of the video and you can skip past it if you already have netflix.

Or if your going to have ads, at least put some effort into making them more watch/listenable like Bombcast and Comedy Button do.

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