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What Do We Want in the Justice League Movie?

Since DC and WB are MIA in the good ideas department, Chris and Kyle step in to save the day. Can they save the Justice League movie before Marvel earns all the money?

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Remember the Flash TV Show from the 90s? As a kid, I used to watch it religiously! Alongside Lois & Clark.

That's the DC I know and love!

I want it to not be terrible. So... WB probably shouldn't make it seeing as they try to take their superhero movies far too seriously and that only mostly works for Batman.

What do I want? For the movie to be good.

And also a better Green Lantern.

Since I personally prefer Marvel over DC I only want one thing from the JL movie: Be good. That way Marvel Studios would have some competition for the Phase 3 stuff and competition is usually a good force to achieve something better.

I want to see stronger, un-sexualised, female characters who end up saving superman or batman's life at some point in the franchise. Also they shouldt act like a 'space marine chick'.

I honestly hope the potential (and unevitable) Justice League film doesn't suck, for the exact same reasons discussed (debated?) in this video.

I mean, I've absolutely been loving (almost) everything Marvel has done to it's films repertoire for the last 6 years(!), it's time for DC to put a good competition for Marvel.

I want DC/WB to remember that they have more than 2 characters (Batman and Superman), that not everything revolves around them, and not everything needs to be dark and gritty (the Nolan Effect)

Remember the Justice League cartoons? They had several characters, and many of the episodes (outside of season finales or multichapter events) revolved around pairing 2 different ones. They had episodes where the only superheroes were Green Lantern and Flash, or Batman and Wonder Woman. It was a great way to sell the idea that they were all interesting and capable, instead of having every episode with Batman figure out the bad guy of the week and Superman punching it to submission.

How about it actually being uplifting?

If Man of Steel is the tone they're going for F*ck'em, I'm tired of depressing, super-serious, drab sup. If you can give us the Avengers with a meatier (much meatier) plot I'm down.
Geez, even the Arkham games didn't take itself as serious as MoS (i'm not comparing them to the movies because they gave an audience more reasons to smile than MoS ever did)

I'll settle for a complete copy of the JL cartoon, though.

PS, as others have stated Superman and Batman aren't the only characters that matter, WB.

marioandsonic:
What do I want? For the movie to be good.

And also a better Green Lantern.

Yes, that's why I totally agree on John Stewart
He's awesome.
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But please don't turn him into Black CharacterTM
What do I mean?
Compare him in JL and in JLU series
In JL he's just a guy, simply a character (awesome character- to be honest my favorite of all cast)
In JLU he was redesigned, his behavior was different- for some strange reason he was made into Black CharacterTM
And I hated these changes.

P.S. Was I only one who disliked this change?
P.P.S. To summarize- less Samuel "Bad Mother Fucker" Jackson and more Denzel Washington.

"I want them to explore the dark recesses of each other."

...should resist. should resist. resist resist resi-

Hasn't that been done in, like, umpty-million slash fictions?

Sorry, couldn't hold back.

Honestly, the most interesting thing I've ever read with the Justice League folks is Kingdom Come. A huge part of this is because it assumes familiarity with the most iconic heros and totally doesn't care if you can identify the rest. The thing I least want to see at this point is yet another form of an origin story. Just assume we know it already and get on with it.

I would also accept a beatdown of Superman by Wonder Woman if for no other reason than to bait Fox News pundits. Also, I'd like to see Lobo show up and pants Batman.

What about "Arrow"? They could totally make that part of the DC Cinematic Mythos. And it would be awesome. They're setting up the Suicide Squad right now!

Elijah Newton:
I would also accept a beatdown of Superman by Wonder Woman if for no other reason than to bait Fox News pundits. Also, I'd like to see Lobo show up and pants Batman.

I think the feminists would get more offended at that one if Superman punched her in the face.

Ron Perlman as Lobo. Since Deathstroke may already be a thing because of "Arrow."

Pounder, who plays Amanda Waller in every animation would be just as good at it in person. Shirley would be interesting though.

Jon Stewart as Green Lantern hmm?
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I want to see Superman with a weird responsibility complex. He can hear everything. If there's a problem, he's there. Ok, so what if there are multiple terrorist attacks in locations all around the world? A guy could really screw with Supes by forcing him to choose who to save. Sure this idea's been used before (Dark Knight, Marvel's The Sentry) but it would work so well with this character.

TheMemoman:
Remember the Flash TV Show from the 90s? As a kid, I used to watch it religiously! Alongside Lois & Clark.

That's the DC I know and love!

God those shows were awesome. Particularly Lois and Clark because they focused on Clark which is who he is. Blows that Smallvile trash away. The Flash TV show was equally good for it's time.

As for the JL movie. Warner Bros will bone it up and they've already started the process with some of the casting choices and the fact that Batman, WW, Flash, etc are even in the next Superman movie tells me we are all due for more boning.

And who's fault is it? Anyone who claims to have enjoyed...

Batman Begins
The Dark Knight Rises
The Man of Steel

...especially MoS.

And how is Superman on the governments side after dropping million dollar drone out of the sky?

Why no Robin? I'd like to see a Young Justice-esque thing set up in the movies. The Justice League isn't just a bunch of demigods hanging out and kicking ass, or an organization under the thumb of a quasi-governmental agency like the Avengers; it's a foundation devoted to world peace, and raising and training the next generation is a key part of it. Plus, it opens the door for a lower budget TV show like Agents of SHIELD, and you know WB is itching for that.

Crazy Zaul:
Pounder, who plays Amanda Waller in every animation would be just as good at it in person. Shirley would be interesting though.

I vote for Yvette Nicole Brown just because I love her work on Community. Still, I don't really care who does it so long as they don't make her Hollywood pretty and they do stuff like this.

Big_Willie_Styles:
What about "Arrow"? They could totally make that part of the DC Cinematic Mythos. And it would be awesome. They're setting up the Suicide Squad right now!

Ron Perlman as Lobo. Since Deathstroke may already be a thing because of "Arrow."

They showed the "Arrow" version of Waller in today's video, which I don't buy in skinny form. They do have A.R.G.U.S., the DC counterpart to S.H.I.E.L.D.

Darth_Payn:

Big_Willie_Styles:
What about "Arrow"? They could totally make that part of the DC Cinematic Mythos. And it would be awesome. They're setting up the Suicide Squad right now!

Ron Perlman as Lobo. Since Deathstroke may already be a thing because of "Arrow."

They showed the "Arrow" version of Waller in today's video, which I don't buy in skinny form. They do have A.R.G.U.S., the DC counterpart to S.H.I.E.L.D.

So, she has to be fat? That makes the woman from "Community" like the only actress who could play her outside of Oprah or Tyler Perry in a dress.

Big_Willie_Styles:
snipsnipsnip... Tyler Perry in a dress.

Now that's a novel idea
Write it on a paper, lock it in the safe, hide said safe in the deepest and darkest basement you can find, fill this basement with concrete and pray nobody ever tries to reach it.

Also- Is Waller fat?
I always thought that she is well built.
Take for example physique of strongmen and strongwomen
They often look obese and even fat
But they are far from weak or unhealthy

I would love to see a non-terrible female DC hero in the group. It's cute that JLA's secretary has become an icon but I can't think of a dumber hero with lamer utilities who started as a female bondage heroine (not joking, look it up) for creepy men and "budding boys" to fetishize over. But bullet proof bracelets, a lasso (formerly the lasso of obedience FYI), "invisible plane" and boomerang Tiara? I'm sorry, but no. The only reason why people say she is a "must" is because she has been the token female superhero in the DC universe. That doesn't make her cool or a good call or anything.

Hawkgirl/woman, Zatanna, Black Canary, and even Vixen would be more interesting choices that are currently in the JLA. There's even female Green Arrows and Jade who is a Green Lantern.

Wonder Woman has got to be one of the laziest choices. She is the epitome of grandfathered in and I think it's a bit robbing of the rich world of female heroes to have her as the face of it. Either they made her into a secretary or they delved into the realm of ultra-feminazi (as in all men should die Amazonian philosophy, not the equality rhetoric that many people erroneously claim is "feminazism" when it's just fairness philosophy). The only reason a lot of men remember her fondly is the same reason that so many people remember the original Tomb Raider fondly. She was there, and voluptuous at important developmental periods of life.

blackrave:

Big_Willie_Styles:
snipsnipsnip... Tyler Perry in a dress.

Now that's a novel idea
Write it on a paper, lock it in the safe, hide said safe in the deepest and darkest basement you can find, fill this basement with concrete and pray nobody ever tries to reach it.

Also- Is Waller fat?
I always thought that she is well built.
Take for example physique of strongmen and strongwomen
They often look obese and even fat
But they are far from weak or unhealthy

Every animated or drawn appearance of her character looked like Aunt Jemima: Pantsuit Edition.

Now you're just cribbing off of "South Park."

Very surprised Tyler Perry hasn't been approached to helm a black superhero movie. He'd do a better job than Spike Lee. Because Spike Lee is an idiot stuck in '90s LA.

TheMemoman:
Remember the Flash TV Show from the 90s? As a kid, I used to watch it religiously! Alongside Lois & Clark.

That's the DC I know and love!

Is Mark Hamill too old to reprise his roll as the Trickster? Even just as a cameo it would be the perfect hat trick of an obscure Flash villain.

Hamill as The Trickster once

Hamill as The Trickster twice

Hamill as The Trickster thrice? I hope so.

Great episode even if it was surprisingly non argumentative.

But new rule. Can we never ever again bring up the image of Batman and Superman exploring the "Dark Recesses of each other" ever again? Please? Pretty please? I'm gunna need a fifth of tequila just to get that out of my head... with bat nipples tacked on. It's like Zach Snyder decided to co direct with Joel Schumacher.

I think the idea of getting the big 3 (WW, Supes, and Bats) in one movie is a good idea. Unfortunately, there's no evidence that suggests that Batman vs. Superman is going to be that.
Given the current apparent trajectory of DC and WB, the worst case scenario right now would be that either the movie tanks (kind of unlikely) and WB had to back to the drawing board (again) or that the movie makes another fortune regardless of quality and we get a sequel anyway. The upside is that maybe we'll finally get to a JL movie.

Lightknight:
I would love to see a non-terrible female DC hero in the group. It's cute that JLA's secretary has become an icon but I can't think of a dumber hero with lamer utilities who started as a female bondage heroine (not joking, look it up) for creepy men and "budding boys" to fetishize over. But bullet proof bracelets, a lasso (formerly the lasso of obedience FYI), "invisible plane" and boomerang Tiara? I'm sorry, but no. The only reason why people say she is a "must" is because she has been the token female superhero in the DC universe. That doesn't make her cool or a good call or anything.

Hawkgirl/woman, Zatanna, Black Canary, and even Vixen would be more interesting choices that are currently in the JLA. There's even female Green Arrows and Jade who is a Green Lantern.

Wonder Woman has got to be one of the laziest choices. She is the epitome of grandfathered in and I think it's a bit robbing of the rich world of female heroes to have her as the face of it. Either they made her into a secretary or they delved into the realm of ultra-feminazi (as in all men should die Amazonian philosophy, not the equality rhetoric that many people erroneously claim is "feminazism" when it's just fairness philosophy). The only reason a lot of men remember her fondly is the same reason that so many people remember the original Tomb Raider fondly. She was there, and voluptuous at important developmental periods of life.

Ummm? Black Canary and Zatana have kinda similar fetishy male fantasy origin issues. The whole fishnets and stilettos thing. Hawkwoman as originally conceived is almost as bad in the opposite direction being a bit of a June Cleaver doting submissive wife and house mother. (with just a smidgen of naughty housewife/Betty Paige'ish looks thrown in.). Vixen would be much better in this regard simply because she was a much more recent character, and lacks the baggage and weirdness from mid 20th century.

Why are we even debating this? Does no one else remember the JLA made-for-tv movie they released all those years ago?

That's it, that's the bar. That's the goal to beat for the new movie.

1:42 Frak Yes. I learned what I do about GL from the Bruce Timm Justice League cartoon.
(Also, from Atop The Fourth Wall and Comic Book Issues...but that's neither here nor there!)

2:16 OMG. If DC up and said Edris Elba is in the Justice League movie as Jon Stewart...then they
would be making GOOD choices again!

2:58 Brilliant idea, gentlemen!

3:10 You've never seen the Bruce Timm version of Aquaman, have you? A blonde mullet and mustache beard combo. A manly man that when he and his infant son are chained to an underwater volcano that's about to erupt, he grabs the sharpest thing he has on him, (His belt buckle) and chops his own hand off to for him and his son to get away unharmed; and later, he replaces it with a rocket hook. I don't care what you say, THAT is amazing. And need I remind you, he rules 71% of the Earth!

4:58 Considering what he did in Man Of Steel, that'd be really fun to watch. Punk deserves it.

5:20 Despite the fact that he...you know, DESTROYED half of the city in his battle against Zod, and
BARELY saved anyone?

6:02 You know, actually put EFFORT in to their script.

6:04 'Tis a fun dream, never the less.

008Zulu:
Why are we even debating this? Does no one else remember the JLA made-for-tv movie they released all those years ago?

That's it, that's the bar. That's the goal to beat for the new movie.

That's a pretty low bar. It's almost so low they could step over it.

V4Viewtiful:
How about it actually being uplifting?

If Man of Steel is the tone they're going for F*ck'em, I'm tired of depressing, super-serious, drab sup. If you can give us the Avengers with a meatier (much meatier) plot I'm down.
Geez, even the Arkham games didn't take itself as serious as MoS (i'm not comparing them to the movies because they gave an audience more reasons to smile than MoS ever did)

I'll settle for a complete copy of the JL cartoon, though.

PS, as others have stated, Superman and Batman aren't the only characters that matter, WB.

Amen,dude. I am SICK of this depressing, super-serious, drab tone. Somebody bring this character to life! Somebody put Idris Elba as Jon Stewart.

The one thing I want is for people not to listen to the damn fans who love one character, but hate another.

Make the characters who they are. Don't cause conflict where there doesn't need to be, don't bastardize the characters because you need them to be dark and edgier because you think people will relate to it more.

Don't make Superman a dick because some people don't like superman. It won't endear those people to Superman, and you'll piss off the fans of Supes. If people don't like superman, THEY DON'T HAVE TO. They have Batman. They have the Flash. They have Wonder Woman.

Do not pull a fucking X-men. Do not make one character the focus and leave the fans of the others to rot. If you don't like Wolverine, the X-men movies aren't for you. They changed Storm to be a docile exposition version of herself to serve as Wolverine's and the audience's guide. They changed Jean Grey to just be someone to lust after. Cyclops never had a chance. I got two seconds of my boy Colossus in the first movie. It was a disappointment if you didn't love Wolverine.

Pull an Avengers. They didn't make Cap Edgy because his morals are outdated... They made him hold them up and say 'This is what I believe in. This is what the Character is. Even if the world is now different, this character still embodies a different world.' That's what makes him interesting nowdays.

Superman IS a boyscout in a world where Evil is lauded, being an ass is the only way you can show intelligence, and Posturing is how we interact with each other. Superman doesn't belong in this world in so many different ways. [b]Use. That.[/b] Don't fuck it up just because there's people who don't like superman.

Same for Wonder Woman.

Same for Batman.

Same for every character that someone is a fan of, yet someone else isn't. Those Flash fans are going to pay to see the Flash they love, not the Flash that script writers think they need to punch up to make more relate-able.

Wait... wut?

They go through a couple of actresses for Waller.

Angela Bassett, born 1958 - "Too young!"
Yvette Nicole Brown, born 1971 - "Correct!"

The lady who is 13 years older than the "correct" choice is "too young"?!?!?

Big_Willie_Styles:

Now you're just cribbing off of "South Park."

Excuse me?
I'm not sure what are you referring to.

blackrave:

Big_Willie_Styles:

Now you're just cribbing off of "South Park."

Excuse me?
I'm not sure what are you referring to.

There's an episode where they essentially do that to Tyler Perry.

I totally thought you were referencing that.

Big_Willie_Styles:

blackrave:

Big_Willie_Styles:

Now you're just cribbing off of "South Park."

Excuse me?
I'm not sure what are you referring to.

There's an episode where they essentially do that to Tyler Perry.

I totally thought you were referencing that.

Coincidence
For a moment I thought that you were referring to episode when Cartman was considering himself muscular (due to all discussion about physique of Waller)

GamerMage:
That's a pretty low bar. It's almost so low they could step over it.

The worst possible review for this movie would be; "That JLA made-for-tv movie was better than this."

Statistically, the odds aren't on WB's side for a favourable outcome.

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