Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Episode 15: "Yes Men" Recap

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As always this show gets your hopes up with closer tie-ins to the films then quickly squashes them with another dull episode.

The concept of Loreli's seduction of me brought a lot of questions to mind. Does it work on gay men or lesbian women? What about transgendered individuals who are in transition or post-transition?

As for the episode, it was alright. Interested to see which side May is playing for.

Kumagawa Misogi:
As always this show gets your hopes up with closer tie-ins to the films then quickly squashes them with another dull episode.

There really is just no pleasing some people...

Also Bob, you are truly holding AoS to an unfair standard. Thor walks around the helicarrier in his "Renaissance Faire Asgardian armor" in The Avengers and you have no problem with it, Sif does it on AoS and you bitch and moan about it. Yes, it doesn't look as good on TV as it does in the movies, but that is UNAVOIDABLE. Hell, even Game of Thrones doesn't look as good as Lord of the Rings as far as production values go, but I don't hear anyone complain about that.

I'm just so sick and tired of people applying a double standard to this show. This was one of its best episodes yet. It had some of the best action moments we see on Network TV. It has a ton of fanservice in namedrops, MCU references and even non-MCU comic references. And it has the amazing Jamie Alexander as a guest star, wtf more do people want?

Andrew Siribohdi:
The concept of Loreli's seduction of me brought a lot of questions to mind. Does it work on gay men or lesbian women? What about transgendered individuals who are in transition or post-transition?

As for the episode, it was alright. Interested to see which side May is playing for.

Valid question...

It IS good to see more universe-building, because the show still feels like an afterthought to the main Marvel universe and movies. But they're going to need to start giving bigger and better rewards quicker to fans for their patience.

I will have to agree with Bob's previous statements, I'm getting tired of Skye being so special and everyone always thinking about her. It's really starting to rub me the wrong way. Ward's getting kind of cliché and annoying, too. Fitz and Simmons are still promising, since nothing's really been done with them aside from going back to school. As for Mei... she needs to get a personality soon, or I'm giving up on her too.

I still see a lot of promise in the show and am excited to watch it every week. I am hoping this season was just putting feelers out and since it's doing so well they'll up the production values for next year. And start brining in more movie characters and references. That would really make it feel like a cohesive world.

That said, I know the season kind of has been one long trailer for The Winter Soldier and SHIELD going rogue, so I really hope the last few(?) episodes really start tying some things up and linking up with the upcoming movie more. Not that I want it to stay a trailer to the next Marvel movie, I really ant them to be a full extension of the universe with things moving from one medium to the next.

Edit to add - I hope they add more regular cast members to the show next year. I'd like to see a few more people on the 'bus' all the time. Another field agent or two, and maybe another (I hate to say it this way) 'sciency' character as Fitz and Simmons are getting pretty Mary Sueish in their ability to do work in every branch of the sciences that exists, and especially as advanced as the work they do is.

Look, it's Wonder woman.... wait... no, this isn't DC.

Huh....

Did Marvel just beat DC in making a live action Wonder woman work?

wiz828:

Kumagawa Misogi:
As always this show gets your hopes up with closer tie-ins to the films then quickly squashes them with another dull episode.

There really is just no pleasing some people...

Also Bob, you are truly holding AoS to an unfair standard. Thor walks around the helicarrier in his "Renaissance Faire Asgardian armor" in The Avengers and you have no problem with it, Sif does it on AoS and you bitch and moan about it. Yes, it doesn't look as good on TV as it does in the movies, but that is UNAVOIDABLE. Hell, even Game of Thrones doesn't look as good as Lord of the Rings as far as production values go, but I don't hear anyone complain about that.

I'm just so sick and tired of people applying a double standard to this show. This was one of its best episodes yet. It had some of the best action moments we see on Network TV. It has a ton of fanservice in namedrops, MCU references and even non-MCU comic references. And it has the amazing Jamie Alexander as a guest star, wtf more do people want?

How dare people not be satisfied with this mediocre, lacklustre and drab cash-in?

I'm not sure, maybe because a show isn't always as great as the sum of its parts. Even if it looks good in paper we're just watching pale imitations of Buffy+Avengers stiff their way around in a bland world that fails to engage me in any way. Using a name here and there, or creating some tv-show frankenfreak by sewing on different parts of comic-book arcs, doesn't necessarily constitute a great show. Especially when it has neither the heart, political commentary or depth of the comic-book arcs they try to emulate.

I had fairly low expectations, given that it's a Joss Whedon and American TV, but this show STILL managed to disappoint.

INTERIOR: THE BUS

SIF: LORELAI has the power to utterly charm all men with a word or a touch
COULSON: We'd better send only women when we take down LORELAI and her BIKER GANG

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wiz828:
Also Bob, you are truly holding AoS to an unfair standard. Thor walks around the helicarrier in his "Renaissance Faire Asgardian armor" in The Avengers and you have no problem with it, Sif does it on AoS and you bitch and moan about it. Yes, it doesn't look as good on TV as it does in the movies, but that is UNAVOIDABLE. Hell, even Game of Thrones doesn't look as good as Lord of the Rings as far as production values go, but I don't hear anyone complain about that.

He said it was silly and there's no way to make it not silly. In his Avengers video review he called it preposterous and in his Thor video he called it absurd.

This seems to be the same standard to me. It's not complaining, it's not saying it's bad, it's just a point he makes a lot. He's made this point a lot with comics in general a lot - that the whole thing is quite silly and if you don't just go with it you'll go cross eyed trying to make sense of what is ultimately a huge pile of nonsense.

Novaova:
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SIF: LORELAI has the power to utterly charm all men with a word or a touch
COULSON: We'd better send only women when we take down LORELAI and her BIKER GANG

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Or at least send the men with orders to stun first and ask questions later. Seriously, when Ward just held the gun on her I banged my head on the table going STUPID STUPID STUPID.

IndomitableSam:
I will have to agree with Bob's previous statements, I'm getting tired of Skye being so special and everyone always thinking about her. It's really starting to rub me the wrong way. Ward's getting kind of cliché and annoying, too. Fitz and Simmons are still promising, since nothing's really been done with them aside from going back to school. As for Mei... she needs to get a personality soon, or I'm giving up on her too.

What "Skye is special" moments did we have in this episode? Closest I can recall Skye telling Coulson that she's not going to be too concerned about the alien serum because there's already too many mysteries in her life.

Redd the Sock:
r at least send the men with orders to stun first and ask questions later. Seriously, when Ward just held the gun on her I banged my head on the table going STUPID STUPID STUPID.

Yep, and they could've solved this plot issue by having Lorelei say "hi" to Ward while he wasn't looking at her or something. Ah well.

MovieBob:
Sif is surprised to see Coulson alive, and reveals that Thor doesn't know he's alive either - a secret Coulson asks her to continue keeping. Okay, at some point they really need to explain how the "secret" part of this works. He gets to walk around in public, talk to associates and suspects, etc... no one has managed to snap a photo of him that's gotten back to any of The Avengers yet? Not even Heimdall, evidently, has noticed him up and about?

Wait... what if Heimdall is the Clairvoyant?

Sylocat:

MovieBob:
Sif is surprised to see Coulson alive, and reveals that Thor doesn't know he's alive either - a secret Coulson asks her to continue keeping. Okay, at some point they really need to explain how the "secret" part of this works. He gets to walk around in public, talk to associates and suspects, etc... no one has managed to snap a photo of him that's gotten back to any of The Avengers yet? Not even Heimdall, evidently, has noticed him up and about?

Wait... what if Heimdall is the Clairvoyant?

If the Clairvoyant cannot see Coulson, perhaps Heimdall cannot as well?

Redd the Sock:

Novaova:
INTERIOR: THE BUS

SIF: LORELAI has the power to utterly charm all men with a word or a touch
COULSON: We'd better send only women when we take down LORELAI and her BIKER GANG

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Or at least send the men with orders to stun first and ask questions later. Seriously, when Ward just held the gun on her I banged my head on the table going STUPID STUPID STUPID.

You took the words right out of my mouth. OR since her main weapon is her voice, give the guys some EARPLUGS. Hello?!

I don't buy that they wouldn't be able to rustle up enough female agents on short notice, and even if they didn't have enough in the area, surely there's some cops nearby they could have recruited for the occasion.

Kumagawa Misogi:
As always this show gets your hopes up with closer tie-ins to the films then quickly squashes them with another dull episode.

Um did you watch a different episode than I did? This was the best episode so far because it finally did what people had been expecting this series to do. Have its own stories but still tie back to The Avengers in a more significant way then simply name drops. Seriously giving side characters or more minor characters from the movies episodes to themselves is a great idea. Lady Sif showing up and kicking ass on the small screen was awesome and made for some good television. Though I still think Arrow is better than this show.

And still nobody sees fitz going bad scientist?

I honestly think that this is the best episode yet, and what the series should be emulating more often.

Novaova:
INTERIOR: THE BUS

SIF: LORELAI has the power to utterly charm all men with a word or a touch
COULSON: We'd better send only women when we take down LORELAI and her BIKER GANG

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To be fair, they figured this out the second time. When everyone stormed the room in Vegas, they're all female save for Coulson. I thought at first they made the same mistake, but you can hear their voices and they're female. Also, one of the girls walks by the camera with her back turned and you can see her hair tied up in a bun.

I have to admit, I was really disappointed by this episode. I liked last week's better because it was building on a plot and creating its own Marvel Universe moment and lore, but still keeping it together. This one just felt like them going, "Oh hey, look! We finally managed to get one of the movie characters on our show for the fans!" The moment at the end, with May, Skye, and Coulson, was much more interesting to me than the whole thing with the Asgard girls.

Did anyone else at least get a little upset when they revealed the Icers? Boy, I bet those two guys who were just doing their job in the last episode would have really appreciated that. Oh, wait, they can't, because the Team gunned them down. And then hearing Coulson yell at Fitz that those two men died to protect that secret just makes it worse. The Team had at least two Icer guns already, and yet they didn't even consider using them.

Sniper Team 4:
To be fair, they figured this out the second time.

I figured it out the first time, and I'm not even a world-class super-spy, super-agent, super-scientist, or super-hacker. They looked like imbeciles.

Most likely May is chatting with Nick Fury, remember, he "Moved Heaven and Earth" to save Coulson....he ain't putting a watchdog on the Bus? Yeah, it's going to turn out to be Fury and that our plucky heroes are a part of Nick's insurance policy against a hostile/corrupting takeover of SHIELD.....just like fans have been guessing from the beginning.

Also, YAY KREE! Gotta love those fanatical, totally-not-a-play-on-ancient-Rome aliens and their giant brain leader. Because with great Kree comes great responsibility to bring in Captain/Ms. Marvel! (God she was cheap as hell in M:UA2)

EDIT: And who else noticed the 1% badge on 'Rooster', the biker leader? Seriously....that's a thing? Like, I thought that was made-up bullshit for that godawful game. But...grown men actually wear that? On purpose?

JaredXE:
EDIT: And who else noticed the 1% badge on 'Rooster', the biker leader? Seriously....that's a thing? Like, I thought that was made-up bullshit for that godawful game. But...grown men actually wear that? On purpose?

Time for a history lesson with Novaova!

Way back in the day, in the late 60's or early 70's, motorcycling had an image problem in the United States, due mostly to the negative press around the Hell's Angels and the spate of "Evil motorcyclists terrorize remote desert village" movies. The American Motorcycling Association (AMA) had an ad campaign themed around informing the public that these criminal bikers represented only 1% of all riders, and that the other 99% were ordinary law-abiding people. The outlaw bikers adopted that "one-percenter" label as a badge of honor and a sarcastic retort to the AMA.

See also Honda's "you meet the nicest people on a Honda" ad campaign, of the same vintage.

I bet Skye is Loreli's half daughter, or niece, or something linking back to her to explain why everybody loves her.

K.ur:
And still nobody sees fitz going bad scientist?

Oooo! Now that would be fun! Fitz becoming the Fixer! Now all we need is either a Mentallo, or a few more people like Blizzard and such to start setting up the Thunderbolts on screen.

Andrew Siribohdi:
The concept of Loreli's seduction of me brought a lot of questions to mind. Does it work on gay men or lesbian women? What about transgendered individuals who are in transition or post-transition?

They way I always interpreted it is that it works on what you are attracted to. If you are a gay man... Loreli's power and similar doesn't work. Lesbian women however it does work on.

To me it is an increase in natural attraction types and is not exactly tied to gender.

JaredXE:
Most likely May is chatting with Nick Fury, remember, he "Moved Heaven and Earth" to save Coulson....he ain't putting a watchdog on the Bus? Yeah, it's going to turn out to be Fury and that our plucky heroes are a part of Nick's insurance policy against a hostile/corrupting takeover of SHIELD.....just like fans have been guessing from the beginning.

Also, YAY KREE! Gotta love those fanatical, totally-not-a-play-on-ancient-Rome aliens and their giant brain leader. Because with great Kree comes great responsibility to bring in Captain/Ms. Marvel! (God she was cheap as hell in M:UA2)

EDIT: And who else noticed the 1% badge on 'Rooster', the biker leader? Seriously....that's a thing? Like, I thought that was made-up bullshit for that godawful game. But...grown men actually wear that? On purpose?

I gotta give the Kree this: when they invade you, you KNOW it's them! Unlike those sniveling cowards, the Skrulls. Shapeshifting to manipulate others into doing their dirty work or set others against each other. That is a coward's strategy!
OT: I liked this episode, and I say the more Asgard, the merrier! I demand another! [whips coffee mug to ground] It's unfair to compare the visual quality of a TV show to a movie, so just lay off that. Hopefully we'll get some tying in to Winter Soldier in April.

Novaova:
INTERIOR: THE BUS

SIF: LORELAI has the power to utterly charm all men with a word or a touch
COULSON: We'd better send only women when we take down LORELAI and her BIKER GANG

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I'm not saying you're wrong ,but honestly how many times in comics do super heroes fall victims of easily defensible powers abilities or weapons. The same goes for villains. I guess it might be more apparent in TV and movies but no matter how ridiculously specific a power is it always works during the first introduction of the character to an effect that allows the story to create tension. The bigger mistake was having the weakness explained in the first place but even still the foolhardy superhero isn't without precedent.

JaredXE:
And who else noticed the 1% badge on 'Rooster', the biker leader? Seriously....that's a thing? Like, I thought that was made-up bullshit for that godawful game. But...grown men actually wear that? On purpose?

I come from a family of bikers, including a couple great-uncles who were part of small-time criminal clubs, and I can confirm that yeah, the 1% badge is a thing. That said, it's usually less about thinking of yourself as a criminal badass and more about a sort of pseudo-anarcho-nihilist-existential-whoa-dude worldview. Essentially, one-percenter MCs follow their own code of honor separate from the actual law, but with the same sort of strict enforcement and stigma for breaking it. To put it in pop-culture terms, it's less modern, amoral, gun-running Sons of Anarchy and more '60s anarchist ubermenschian Sons of Anarchy.

Easier to just like motorcycles and follow the goddamn law, but eh. People do their thing.

OT: Kinda divided on this episode. The action was well-executed and it's certainly cool to see Lady Sif again, but I've never liked the whole "evil seductress who can magically control men's minds because men are just inherently slaves to their dongs" thing. It wasn't any better the last time Joss Whedon did it in Angel, with Billy and his whole "magically awakening the inherent misogyny that ABSOLUTELY ALL MEN EVAR HAVE" schtick.

That, and I really don't want Mei to turn out evil. She's too fucking awesome.

Nice of them to brush off that Lorelei and Ward doing it was creepy as fuck.

Master_of_Oldskool:
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That, and I really don't want Mei to turn out evil. She's too fucking awesome.

If we stay inside the cpt. america reasoning, i do not think mei is going evil.
If Fury himself ordered Coulsons treatment and she knows about it while the Clairvoyant does not,
that means she is not on CENTIPEDES side.
I guess that she called Fury or whoever is working with him.
It definitely will create heavy tension in the team if (rather when) this comes out, but I would not put Mei on the evil side.

Hiramas:

Master_of_Oldskool:
[quote="JaredXE" post="6.844612.20805973"]

That, and I really don't want Mei to turn out evil. She's too fucking awesome.

If we stay inside the cpt. america reasoning, i do not think mei is going evil.
If Fury himself ordered Coulsons treatment and she knows about it while the Clairvoyant does not,
that means she is not on CENTIPEDES side.
I guess that she called Fury or whoever is working with him.
It definitely will create heavy tension in the team if (rather when) this comes out, but I would not put Mei on the evil side.

No kidding. "You mean to tell me that you had Nick Fury on speed dial this whole time?!"

K.ur:
And still nobody sees fitz going bad scientist?

I think he's gonna end up being The Wizard. Pretty much all of the Wizard's tricks have been introduced on the show and Fitz has access to em all and can make some of his own.

With the terrible scheduling (even worse here in Oz) and lacklustre episodes I had just about given up on this show...but Brad Douriff? I'm back in, for one episode at least.

may i point out that Sifs shoes are neither appropriate for renaisance fairs nor swordfighting?
seriously, trying to parry any weapon larger than a short sword with thoose shoes would make you loose balance really fast, in conjuntion with her "breastplate" (smarter people than me have disected the problems with thoose things, long story short, they are a grave danger to your survival in a combat scenario) this makes it really hard to believe the charakter as presented is actually a warrior that has fought in dozens of wars throughout the centuries.
which i find sad, i really want to like her :-(

thetoddo:

K.ur:
And still nobody sees fitz going bad scientist?

I think he's gonna end up being The Wizard. Pretty much all of the Wizard's tricks have been introduced on the show and Fitz has access to em all and can make some of his own.

Wizard is probably tied to the Fantastic Four license and would be over at Fox. He is more known as a FF villain and the more or less leader of the Frightful Four. Whereas Fixer originated in "Nick Fury Agent of Shield" alongside Mentallo, and his origin is basically genius SHIELD tech who went rogue and mercenary. Plus he has the whole redemption character arc where he goes from villain to hero with the Thunderbolts.

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