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8 Reasons Why Games Workshop Hates You

Games Workshop is one of the biggest tabletop game makers around, popular for publishing Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer. But sadly, some of its decisions seem to suggest it doesn't like making its fans happy.

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Ah, another Ciaphas Cain appreciator. Good, good...

This is like 1d4chan except without all the memes and colorful language, good job.

WMDogma:
But now that they've gotten their own codex, they've become ridiculously overpowered and unbalanced in both the tabletop game and their lore.

Come on, Castellan Crowe wasn't that bad. He was the only good bit of lore in that book, but he was still pretty good.

Hand to the Emperor, I really don't get why people hate so much on the Ultramarines. They are supposed to be the generic space marine chapter, aren't they? The other chapters get cool unique characteristics, and the Ultramarines are just vanilla. Or am I reading this wrong?

What bugs me the most is that I'm trying to get into the novel series, but lots of them only have the first novel and whichever's the latest at the moment in print. I have to buy used copies or overpriced new ones.

Thankfully I don't get too screwed over by Black Library by only investing in one series (Horus Heresy) so the prices don't hurt me too much.

Also Grey Knights aren't as bad now on the tabletop now that some other Codexes have been updated to their level. In the lore they are OP as shit though.

Sourman:
Hand to the Emperor, I really don't get why people hate so much on the Ultramarines. They are supposed to be the generic space marine chapter, aren't they? The other chapters get cool unique characteristics, and the Ultramarines are just vanilla. Or am I reading this wrong?

It's because that they are all Mary-Sues and can do no wrong or be corrupted by anything and the vision that all Space Marines should aspire to. As an example, this is what the first line of the Warhammer 40k Wiki has to say on them;

The Ultramarines are considered one of the strongest and most honoured of all the Space Marine Chapters in the Imperium of Man, and were responsible for almost single-handedly holding the Imperium together after the Horus Heresy.

Apparently. You know, none of those other 8 Legions did anything at all while the Ultramarines were being trolled by the Alpha Legion playing the best game of hide and seek on the Eastern side of the Galaxy...

As a big fan of the Horus Heresy series, I can say that the Ultramarines are extremely interesting pre-Heresy. They are much more flawed (even their Primarch himself) and varied in their characters than they are in the 40K times. Sergeant Aeonid Thiel FTW.

deathbydeath:
This is like 1d4chan except without all the memes and colorful language, good job.

1d4chan is fantastic. I keep finding new articles I haven't read even though I keep thinking I've read the entire 40k section

Although I think probably the best thing they've done recently is letting Fantasy Flight play with the IPs to make new games. Like the recently announced Conquest, or Space Hulk: Death Angel, the RPG lines, Blood Bowl: Team Manager, Warhammer: Diskwars, Chaos in the Old World, etc.

The Baneblade, which is the most bad-ass super-heavy tank in all of the Imperium, and possibly all of science fiction, and it only has eleven freaking guns?! What the heck, GW! You could totally fit more on there!

They did. It was called the Stormhammer. 15 bolters, 4 lascannons and 4 short range battle cannons.

What, no personal shout-out to Matt Ward? The troll who singly handed gave us the Grey Knights and Ultrasmurfs, and nerfed in to dust every other race that posed a threat to them?

One more thing about Storm of Vengeance... guess who developed it?

Give up?

The makers of THIS game, of course!

...people actually bought the Necromunda characters..?
The most fun part about it was altering your miniatures after each session, so they'd reflect the changes after battle and purchases.

I used the Catachan plastic models along with lots of bits from other sets. I also made a Tau infiltration "gang" (yeah, it's silly, I know) for the heck of it. One guy got so pissed off at me for using it that he refused to play.
It's one thing to be a fan or even a fanboy, it's entirely another to be so focused on something that you're incapable of having fun with the game if it isn't all according to your own head.

Bit late on the Grey Knights. They aren't top tier anymore, that spot has been taken by Tau with Eldar allies (Taudar, as the internets call it). Both the benefits of marker lights, and the Eldar buff spells! Gah, whoever thought throwing Battle Brothers around the allies matrix like so much candy should be shot.

Totally agree on the Caiphas Cain front. He is one of the most accessible characters they have, as he doesn't take anything too seriously and can be rather funny as well. they could be expanding their audience with him quite easily.

Ciaphas Cain is the best character? CIAPHAS CAIN? I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU OVER TARKUS's MIGHTY HUMANITY! HE SHOULD HAVE BOOKS ABOUT HIM, NOT SOME INQUISITOR PRIG! *storms off ranting and raving*

008Zulu:
What, no personal shout-out to Matt Ward? The troll who singly handed gave us the Grey Knights and Ultrasmurfs, and nerfed in to dust every other race that posed a threat to them?

To be fair - and I know I'm defending Ward here, which I never thought would happen - his Necron overhauls were fairly solid and the fluff was pretty good, so he's not all bad. While the Grey Knights are best left unmentioned and the Ultrasmurfs are just... so boring, he isn't all THAT bad.

He's no C.S. Goto, that's for sure.

(Plus the Ultramarines are easy to rescue - the game Space Marine handled the Ultramarines really well and averted all the mary-sueisms they possessed with ease, which was nice. Don't really know if the Grey Knights can be saved from the scrappy pile though, don't know of anyone who has written stuff for them since the 'Khornate Knights' incident)

The Ultramarines are considered one of the strongest and most honoured of all the Space Marine Chapters in the Imperium of Man, and were responsible for almost single-handedly holding the Imperium together after the Horus Heresy.

Apparently. You know, none of those other 8 Legions did anything at all while the Ultramarines were being trolled by the Alpha Legion playing the best game of hide and seek on the Eastern side of the Galaxy...

I see what you mean, never thought of it that way.

And I agree with you on the quality of the Heresy books. I'm lagging very badly behind on them, but the ones I did read were excellent.

WMDogma:
8 Reasons Why Games Workshop Hates You

Games Workshop is one of the biggest tabletop game makers around, popular for publishing Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer. But sadly, some of its decisions seem to suggest it doesn't like making its fans happy.

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#1: What really pisses me off is that, considering the quality of Dawn of War (sans Soulstorm), we know how much better 40k based games can be.

#2: Ah, yes... the Dreadknight... never before has the urge to ask GW what the hell is wrong with them been so strong.

At least until they let Matt Ward write another fluff piece involving the Bolter Bitches.

#3: Necromunda, how I miss thee...

#4: Don't they sell the e-books for the same price as the paperback novels too? Because that feels a wee bit like a rip-off.

#5: Really, you're complaining that the Baneblade doesn't have more turrets and cannons? Waste of a point, I'd say.

#6: And speaking of a waste of a point; 1) Captain Titus from the Space Marine game would like a word with you, and 2) Finecast! You literally had it right in front of you and you missed it! You had one job to do! Just one!

#7: Strangely, my paints have endured for a very long time. Then again, I'll drip some water in the bottle and mix it if I feel like it's getting dry...

#8: HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!

Sourman:
Hand to the Emperor, I really don't get why people hate so much on the Ultramarines. They are supposed to be the generic space marine chapter, aren't they? The other chapters get cool unique characteristics, and the Ultramarines are just vanilla. Or am I reading this wrong?

The Ultramarines aren't bad by their nature; unfortunately, they do have a tendency to get Mary Sue'd to the depths of the Warp and back. Matt "Fuckwit" Ward, for instance, is a massive Ultramarines fanboy, so guess what happened when GW let him write their Codex? That's right; fanwank.

I'm really sick of GW. Me and my local group are all staying in 6th edition. A Tau player, (me) two Dark Eldar players (one of which is me) a Marine/ Guard player, an Eldar player and a Tyranid player. 4 out of 5 being owners of armies that GW like to fuck over the most.

No video games with Tau or Dark Eldar since Dawn of War I.

No Black Library books even slightly touching on anything but the Imperium.

The absolute worst model paint in the entire world of acrylics.

No narrative to anything they ever do anymore.

Licensing shitty Spess Muhreen movies not even a Spess Muhreen fan can enjoy, and board game abortions like Horus Heresy (TERRIBLE!!!).

Prices spiraling out of control because GW is making people subsidize their shitty brick/mortar stores even if they don't have one within a thousand miles. YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO BE THE IKEA OF WARGAMES!

Anti consumer reseller restrictions were the last drop for all of us. We live in Norway so the whole Australia thing doesn't affect us, but that kind of sleaze move is the end. The utter end. If GW went bankrupt tomorrow, none of us would feel as much as nostalgic, and we've played since 2nd edition.

None of us are willing to spend any more on plastic crack, we'll keep evolving 6th edition the way we want to, with house rules, until GW gets their act together.

Rob Robson:
I'm really sick of GW. Me and my local group are all staying in 6th edition. A Tau player, (me) two Dark Eldar players (one of which is me) a Marine/ Guard player, an Eldar player and a Tyranid player. 4 out of 5 being owners of armies that GW like to fuck over the most.

No video games with Tau or Dark Eldar since Dawn of War I.

No Black Library books even slightly touching on anything but the Imperium.

The absolute worst model paint in the entire world of acrylics.

No narrative to anything they ever do anymore.

Licensing shitty Spess Muhreen movies not even a Spess Muhreen fan can enjoy, and board game abortions like Horus Heresy (TERRIBLE!!!).

Prices spiraling out of control because GW is making people subsidize their shitty brick/mortar stores even if they don't have one within a thousand miles. YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO BE THE IKEA OF WARGAMES!

Anti consumer reseller restrictions were the last drop for all of us. We live in Norway so the whole Australia thing doesn't affect us, but that kind of sleaze move is the end. The utter end. If GW went bankrupt tomorrow, none of us would feel as much as nostalgic, and we've played since 2nd edition.

None of us are willing to spend any more on plastic crack, we'll keep evolving 6th edition the way we want to, with house rules, until GW gets their act together.

Have you considered playing another system? Warmachine/Hordes? Infinity? MERCS (my personal favorite atm)? Kings of War or Warpath? There are substitutes that don't cost as much in the long run if money's a real concern. KoW and Warpath are both essentially cheaper Warhammer/40k with all the bullshit stripped out, while the other are all skirmish games, meaning you only need between 3-10 models to play.

008Zulu:
What, no personal shout-out to Matt Ward? The troll who singly handed gave us the Grey Knights and Ultrasmurfs, and nerfed in to dust every other race that posed a threat to them?

He also gave us 6th Edition. And the Necrons are pretty damn nasty. And who did he nerf? Pretty much anything he touched became powerful; note though, that the Space Wolves and Eldar Codexes which broke the game in their respective editions were written by Phil Kelly.

Jeremy Vetock, however, is the Helix Fossil in the company.

TimeLord:

The Ultramarines are considered one of the strongest and most honoured of all the Space Marine Chapters in the Imperium of Man, and were responsible for almost single-handedly holding the Imperium together after the Horus Heresy.

Apparently. You know, none of those other 8 Legions did anything at all while the Ultramarines were being trolled by the Alpha Legion playing the best game of hide and seek on the Eastern side of the Galaxy...

(Ineffective means they were no longer Legion strength; about 3000 warriors or less)

The Imperial Fists were effective damaged defending the Imperial Palace, ran off and hunted the Iron Warriors, until brought to ineffectiveness.
The Raven Guard were effectively made ineffective after Istvaan and mutation problems.
The Iron Hands were still ineffective after Istvaan.
The Salamanders were still ineffective after Istvaan.
The Blood Angels were made ineffective defending the Palace
The Dark Angels were sorting out Caliban in a Legion Civil War.
The White Scars were made ineffective defending the Palace.
The Space Wolves were missing from the Seige of Terra, but they only made 2 successor Chapters (the Wolf Brothers) so they were made ineffective.

The only Legion still at Legion strength (note: over 100,000 Marines, more than the others combined at that point), the Ultramarines were the ones who actually had the numbers to keep everything together, and Guilliman, the statesman, was the only Primarch who could handle the facts of war and the politics of the newly arisen Imperium and it's High Lords of Terra.

In my view, the other 8 Legions were the ones who defeated Horus and it was the Ultramarines who kept everything together afterwards.

Awesome, Storm of Vengeance! A brand new Warhammer 40k game! But it's not an RTS, instead it's a "Lane Strategy" game. Our own Jim Sterling sat down to play the game, and suffice to say he was not too impressed.

This wasn't done by Games Workshop. This was licensed out. They have also... wait, someone else has said it.

PMAvers:
Although I think probably the best thing they've done recently is letting Fantasy Flight play with the IPs to make new games. Like the recently announced Conquest, or Space Hulk: Death Angel, the RPG lines, Blood Bowl: Team Manager, Warhammer: Diskwars, Chaos in the Old World, etc.

Let's not forget they've also got Total War working on a Fantasy Total War, there is still the Armageddon game, and Relic did give us good games. We just need to wait until they discover a new Relic.

Okay, the Grey Knights used to be an awfully cool, secretive chapter of Space Marines that were all about kicking daemon ass across the galaxy with futuristic halberds and high-powered flame throwers. But now that they've gotten their own codex, they've become ridiculously overpowered and unbalanced in both the tabletop game and their lore. Plus, one of their ultimate warmachines, the Nemesis Dreadknight pictured here, kind of looks like a glorified baby carrier.

They had their own Codex before; it was just Daemonhunters. Also, you're about two years late regarding how powerful they are; they're now mid-tier at most, and in the lore, it has since been toned down (I assume you're referring to Driago; yeah, they've kinda patched it, a bit] and other fluff wise, they're not overpowered, they're just Grey Knights.

I like the Dreadknight, they just picked the most stupid pose for it. But that is a matter of taste.

I personally own dozens of books from the Black Library, the wing of Games Workshop that handles publishing its fantasy and science fiction stories. Many of them are great reads, but sadly, their prices leave a lot to be desired - and if you're the kind of person who likes using an e-reader, you won't be happy to hear that the Black Library's E-Books are only available through their website.

Their prices fall in line with most fantasy/sci-fi prices, and Black Library have a discount for E-Readers, and they have a load of bundles to save money.

And if you're the kind of person who likes an e-reader, you'll be glad to know that it's also available in iTunes as well, and they put in the effort that you can now use them on Kindle because you couldn't before.

This one's just depressing. The Baneblade, which is the most bad-ass super-heavy tank in all of the Imperium, and possibly all of science fiction, and it only has eleven freaking guns?! What the heck, GW! You could totally fit more on there!

...List padding?

Seriously. The Ultramarines. The less said, the better.

Okay, I'm now curious, did you just go onto a forum, look up some kind of "I hate GW topic" and then just copy paste. Or did you reach Reason 6 and not put any effort in. It's a single sentence which lazily handwaves it. I mean, there are loads of reasons to hate the Ultramarines, so it's not hard to put together 3 lines...

Games Workshop has its own paints available for all aspiring modelers out there in a wide range of colors, but boy do they dry out awfully quickly

Well, I'm using the paints I got from eight years ago still and they work fine. I've got newer paints from GW and they're still fine too. Assuming you don't leave the lid open, they tend to be fine. If not, a quick shake and they're good to go.

Commissar Ciaphas Cain is by far the best character in all of Warhammer 40,000. Why on earth Games Workshop hasn't tried to make a Ciaphas Cain video game, TV series, movie, or even honor him with a special model for the board game is just sad.

They did make a model for him.

GW doesn't make TV series. It's not interested. It tried to make a movie; the movie wasn't good, GW won't try again. Someone else is making an Inquisitor Lord movie, so we shall see if GW changes it's mind later. When it comes to video game licensing, GW doesn't tell people what game to make. The video game developers work with the GW design studio to make the story, but GW doesn't hand out a license with "Thou shalt makest the Ultramarines, bitch" attached.

What is my point with this? This is another lazy article by the Escapist, which is confusing because there are so many good ones. I'm very disappointed, Paul Goodman, because you're pretty funny on the podcat, and you seemed to know your 40k; also, it's not why 40k hates you, it's why you hate 40k. You didn't pick a single anti-consumer GW thing GW has done, and they've done a lot.

Mangod:
Have you considered playing another system?

Of course, most notably Warmahordes, but we don't like how symmetrical/ gamey it looks, less immersive than 40K. That said, we still may try it. But we're still having fun with our own house rules for 40K and don't really need to expand really.

Leon Declis:

What is my point with this? This is another lazy article by the Escapist, which is confusing because there are so many good ones. I'm very disappointed, Paul Goodman, because you're pretty funny on the podcat, and you seemed to know your 40k; also, it's not why 40k hates you, it's why you hate 40k. You didn't pick a single anti-consumer GW thing GW has done, and they've done a lot.

I'm pretty sure these are just "Click bait" posts for ad revenue.
Of course I like to know the escapists are getting paid, but an article like this that probably took 20min tops to make creates 8 clicks/ad views for each of the banners. As opposed to a well written and thought out article that takes hours or days and maybe produces 1-3 ad views/clicks.

It's like this site is taking tips from buzz feed.

1: Make inflammatory article title.
2: Source images from the web.
3: Post 1 image per page requiring constant clicking.
4: Don't spend time creating content, time is money, just add a sprinkling of text, it doesn't even have to be all that relevant or interesting. "Nuff Said" will do.

Sadly it's probably necessary for them to do so what with the prevalence of adblocker and so on.

Leon Declis:

TimeLord:

The Ultramarines are considered one of the strongest and most honoured of all the Space Marine Chapters in the Imperium of Man, and were responsible for almost single-handedly holding the Imperium together after the Horus Heresy.

Apparently. You know, none of those other 8 Legions did anything at all while the Ultramarines were being trolled by the Alpha Legion playing the best game of hide and seek on the Eastern side of the Galaxy...

(Ineffective means they were no longer Legion strength; about 3000 warriors or less)

The Imperial Fists were effective damaged defending the Imperial Palace, ran off and hunted the Iron Warriors, until brought to ineffectiveness.
The Raven Guard were effectively made ineffective after Istvaan and mutation problems.
The Iron Hands were still ineffective after Istvaan.
The Salamanders were still ineffective after Istvaan.
The Blood Angels were made ineffective defending the Palace
The Dark Angels were sorting out Caliban in a Legion Civil War.
The White Scars were made ineffective defending the Palace.
The Space Wolves were missing from the Seige of Terra, but they only made 2 successor Chapters (the Wolf Brothers) so they were made ineffective.

Imperial Fists: No records of their losses in the Siege. Cannot conclude their strength
Raven Guard: "Ineffective" is a word I would not use to describe a Legion based primarily on sneaky tactics, sabotage and subterfuge where they can cripple targets much bigger than themselves with their own unique tactics. Also their mutation problems were only limited to the gene experiments, not the surviving marines.
Salamanders: While crippled, they still had their Primarch to hold them together so their "ineffectiveness" I would put into question.
Iron Hands: Agreed
Blood Angels: No records of their losses in the Siege. Cannot conclude their strength.
Dark Angels: While you are right, still no records of how long this took or their participation in the post-war effort. It is known that they arrived at Terra after the final battle but would have stuck around for a while to help out before returning to Caliban I would have thought.
White Scars: No recorded of their losses in the Siege. Cannot conclude their strength.
Space Wolves: "The Space Wolves were missing from the Seige of Terra, but they only made 2 successor Chapters (the Wolf Brothers) so they were made ineffective."
Their lack of successor chapters means nothing. Multiple first founding chapters still operate outside the Codex Astartes' guidelines for Chapter strength like the Dark Angels.
Leman Russ stood by the Imperial Fists when initially rejecting the Codex post-war so it could be possible that they hide their real numbers.

The only Legion still at Legion strength (note: over 100,000 Marines, more than the others combined at that point), the Ultramarines were the ones who actually had the numbers to keep everything together, and Guilliman, the statesman, was the only Primarch who could handle the facts of war and the politics of the newly arisen Imperium and it's High Lords of Terra.

In my view, the other 8 Legions were the ones who defeated Horus and it was the Ultramarines who kept everything together afterwards.

Their numbers post-Calth are unknown to my knowledge, but if you take into account that Horus ordered the full co-operation of Logar and Guilliman in purging the "Ork threat" then we can conclude that about 90% of their Legion was on or orbiting Calth at the time Logar's betrayal was made obvious. Even just reading 'Know No Fear' you get a feeling for how utterly pounded into the ground the Ultramarines were before they regrouped.

Also they were conspiring to create a second Imperium without even knowing if the Emperor had even fallen yet! Paragon of righteousness right there. He didn't even want to rule the Imperium Secundus, but with the death of Sanguinius he wouldn't choose anyone else. Not sure what that shows for his trust for his surviving brothers who fought for the defense of Terra and the Imperium while he was off sitting in his corner of the galaxy plotting against his father.

To quote a friend of mine Scorched_Cascade

"Except, you know, Battle of the Abyss, Battle of Calth/Calth getting buttfucked while they were at muster, near pandemic Alpha Legion infiltration, being lead away on a wild goose chase by the Alpha Legion, plotting sedition, arriving after the greatest and most decisive battle in the heresy was already finished, almost causing a second civil war in the ruined Imperium because of how undiplomatic he was and being almost single handedly responsible for the levels of pants on head retarded that the modern Imperium is (Codex Astartes, High Lords of Terra, reorganisation of the Imperium)"

I'm still kind of pissed at them for not allowing the Damnatus fan movie.

I kind of grew tired of all the total remake editions as well. I also think the small-scale games like Mordheim and Inquisitor were some of the most fun to play. Mordheim especially after the local group re-balanced the entire game, extensive houserules. I also found it more fun to paint these smaller sets of models and not feel pressured to paint an entire army, especially since I'm a perfectionist and take like 3 hours for one standard model.

But all my models have been boxed up for years at this point, been thinking about selling them off. Maybe in smaller chunks.

I'm with you on the Cai series.

In my mindspace I imagine it as a Downy Jr. / Galifinakas team.

But not like that planes trains and automobiles rehash they did.

See this is exactly why I stopped going to the official GW site and only do Forge World. Yes its more expensive, but at the price jacking by GW...not as much anymore. And the models are better. And cooler. And the Codexes are written by NOT Matt Ward, so they have that going. And where else am I going to play my beloved Pre-Heresy Death Guard?!

Odd that there's no mention of the local GW stores. I HATE the one near me. The clerk knows his numbers and paints, I'll give him that, but he's such a greedy little man. I forgot my scatter die at home and asked if I could borrow the studio one - he said no, but offered to sell me the whole $8 die box for just the one die. I said no and he asked me to leave so other "PREPARED" gamers could use the table.
Anecdotal, yes, but my point stands that GW does not go out of there way to hire friendly people.

Also...Ultramarines...such raw seething hatred for them. Honestly I dont care they're super perfect pseudo-Romans. I don't care Matt Ward tongue kisses them every night. I don't care their named characters never die and thus the entire Galaxy stagnates in this one 50-year period. I don't care they're just so boring.
No no no, I can forgive ALL those! I hate that they're blue! And gold! They look so God damned goofy! Back to stories for a moment - I was in my GW looking around and a father brought his son in to see what the stores was about. Guessing the kid needed a hobby? He took one look at the Ultramarines on the board and started laughing. He said they looked like Power Rangers and couldn't keep a straight face. Only time my clerk's smug face fell and I'm not ashamed to admit I enjoyed that. But if that kid's reflective of the younger players, truly, in a world where they play Halo, Gears of War, COD, Starcraft, etc... big blue dudes with giant hammers are practically cartoony.

I love 40k. And I have since I was 5 years old and my dad bought me an old deck of Citadel Combat Cards. I still have it in my desk. But as of late...I won't quit. As I've said, I'd rather slowly build the army I want then quickly build an army I don't. But predict a decline in this great game of ours. GW posted record losses and I can't get the feeling that boy's reaction to the game(laughing at it) is some how related.

Silentpony:
I love 40k. And I have since I was 5 years old and my dad bought me an old deck of Citadel Combat Cards. I still have it in my desk. But as of late...I won't quit. As I've said, I'd rather slowly build the army I want then quickly build an army I don't. But predict a decline in this great game of ours. GW posted record losses and I can't get the feeling that boy's reaction to the game(laughing at it) is some how related.

This might get wall of text-y.

Aaand I've just written a better article than Paul Goodman. Took me less than 10 minutes.

Yeah, you validate my opinions, Mr. Author, validate them hard! Feth those Grey Knights and Ultramarines.

Rob Robson:
A Tau player, (me)

Rob Robson:
staying in 6th edition

I'll bet you are.

Let me just add that as someone trying to get into Warhammer 40k books, the Black Library seems to be run by freaking chimps. Not just the fact that physical copies of books from as recent as 2005 are *already* out of print, and *only* available in e-book format on the Black Library (seriously, there is no sane reason for a book that recent to be out of print, and only available in a non-physical format on a proprietary site), but... the Black Library itself only seems to have a portion of the books out there.

Like, I get recommended the Ciaphas Cain series. The premise sounds fun and interesting, so I go google the various books in the series. All but the most recent ones are out of print (of course) so I go onto the Black Library. It didn't even have all of the Ciaphas Cain books. This is a series you have a special header for on your freaking homepage, why don't you have all of the books right there? And all the ones they did have were e-book only. Also, neither of the two omnibuses (omnibusi?) were on the Black Library either, which I would have preferred, because of the bonus short stories. So I just went on Amazon and got the first omnibus slightly used.

Games Workshop. I appreciate that you want to publish the stories set in your world yourself, but if you're going to do that, you have to go in whole-hog. You need to have the books availible, you need to have those omnibus bundles available for people who'd like to try several books at once. I shouldn't *have* to take my business to Amazon to buy books in some of your main, flagship literary series. I wanted to give you my money, but in the end, I had to take it elsewhere. Maybe go take a page from other big publishers, like Baen books. They actually put up whole books in their main series (usually the first one or two) online for free, in full. They make it very easy to search out a book and view some sample chapters, or order it. User-friendliness is a big deal, especially with people like me who are trying to get into your setting more via novels.

BanicRhys:
Yeah, you validate my opinions, Mr. Author, validate them hard! Feth those Grey Knights and Ultramarines.

Rob Robson:
A Tau player, (me)

Rob Robson:
staying in 6th edition

I'll bet you are.

Nice passive aggressive remark to imply it's my choice to be in 6th edition because one of my two armies are powerful in it. However, if you weren't so eagerly confrontational and selective in your reading comprehension, you would have noticed that we are transforming 6th with house rules and that it's a choice made in communion amongst all of us, in which we will rebalance the whole meta. Also, feel free to ignore the fact that my other army (which I play way more) is indeed one of the weakest in the edition right now. Seeing as how your extremely bile-laden four words were nothing but flame bait, that does coincide with your agenda rather well.

Rob Robson:

BanicRhys:
Yeah, you validate my opinions, Mr. Author, validate them hard! Feth those Grey Knights and Ultramarines.

Rob Robson:
A Tau player, (me)

Rob Robson:
staying in 6th edition

I'll bet you are.

Nice passive aggressive remark to imply it's my choice to be in 6th edition because one of my two armies are powerful in it. However, if you weren't so eagerly confrontational and selective in your reading comprehension, you would have noticed that we are transforming 6th with house rules and that it's a choice made in communion amongst all of us, in which we will rebalance the whole meta. Also, feel free to ignore the fact that my other army (which I play way more) is indeed one of the weakest in the edition right now. Seeing as how your extremely bile-laden four words were nothing but flame bait, that does coincide with your agenda rather well.

Gentlemen, Romans, countrymen, let us not fight amongst each other! Not when we have a common enemy; GW, whose rampant disregard for their own consumer base has forced good men, men like Rob Robson, to seek shelter among homebrews and fanrules for fear of GW invalidating their entire army with blatant cheese mongering and power creep!

Let us stand united, therefore, not against the fanrules, the homebrews, the hobbygroup FAQs, but united, as one, against GW; the company that has forced us to fix their broken product for them in order to make it playable!

i like how the Nemesis Dreadknight looks

Rob Robson:
Nice passive aggressive remark to imply it's my choice to be in 6th edition because one of my two armies are powerful in it. However, if you weren't so eagerly confrontational and selective in your reading comprehension, you would have noticed that we are transforming 6th with house rules and that it's a choice made in communion amongst all of us, in which we will rebalance the whole meta. Also, feel free to ignore the fact that my other army (which I play way more) is indeed one of the weakest in the edition right now. Seeing as how your extremely bile-laden four words were nothing but flame bait, that does coincide with your agenda rather well.

Woah, calm your Riptides, I think you might be projecting just a teeny, tiny, itty, bitty bit.

I wasn't passively aggressively attacking you because you chose to stay in the edition that benefits your already obscenely overpowered race the most.

I was attacking you because I was jealous that you have friends.

NuclearKangaroo:
i like how the Nemesis Dreadknight looks

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YOU! Yes, you! Go to your room, now! Right now! Go! Just go!

Seriously, I can't see why you like it; it looks ridiculous, like someone was building a Dreadnought and decided to halfass it once the "skeleton" was in place. At least the Centurion, silly as it is, still looks like a legit piece of armor/wargear. The Dreadknight looks like it got its inspiration from Dexter's Laboratory.

Edit: if any of the above seems confrontational in any way, I assure you, it is all meant it jest (except for the part about not understanding what you like about the D-knight. That I meant one hundred percent).

Mangod:

NuclearKangaroo:
i like how the Nemesis Dreadknight looks

image

YOU! Yes, you! Go to your room, now! Right now! Go! Just go!

Seriously, I can't see why you like it; it looks ridiculous, like someone was building a Dreadnought and decided to halfass it once the "skeleton" was in place. At least the Centurion, silly as it is, still looks like a legit piece of armor/wargear. The Dreadknight looks like it got its inspiration from Dexter's Laboratory.

Edit: if any of the above seems confrontational in any way, I assure you, it is all meant it jest (except for the part about not understanding what you like about the D-knight. That I meant one hundred percent).

i like it precisely because it looks like that robot in dexter's lab, i always loved that design, its very unconventional but cool at the same time

also the centurion looks more adorable than threatening the design is worse in my opinion

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they look like little fat space marines, on top of that, why do they exist? they seem to fulfill the exact same role as the terminators, atleast in the lore

NuclearKangaroo:

Mangod:

NuclearKangaroo:
i like how the Nemesis Dreadknight looks

image

YOU! Yes, you! Go to your room, now! Right now! Go! Just go!

Seriously, I can't see why you like it; it looks ridiculous, like someone was building a Dreadnought and decided to halfass it once the "skeleton" was in place. At least the Centurion, silly as it is, still looks like a legit piece of armor/wargear. The Dreadknight looks like it got its inspiration from Dexter's Laboratory.

Edit: if any of the above seems confrontational in any way, I assure you, it is all meant it jest (except for the part about not understanding what you like about the D-knight. That I meant one hundred percent).

i like it precisely because it looks like that robot in dexter's lab, i always loved that design, its very unconventional but cool at the same time

also the centurion looks more adorable than threatening the design is worse in my opinion

image

they look like little fat space marines, on top of that, why do they exist? they seem to fulfill the exact same role as the terminators, atleast in the lore

In both fluff and the tabletop game, as far as I've understood it anyway; yes, the centurion fulfill the same function as the Terminator (or Tactical Dreadnought Armor) does, only worse. As for looking silly, I wholeheartedly agree; but the Centurion at least looks like someone finished building it before sending it into battle. The Dreadknight, to me, looks like what would happen if an Ork Mek got hit with ADD midway through building a Gargant, and when his back was turned the Blood Ravens stole the unfinished Gargant and fenced it to the Grey Knights.

... I suspect I've been reading too much 1d4chan.

Mangod:

In both fluff and the tabletop game, as far as I've understood it anyway; yes, the centurion fulfill the same function as the Terminator (or Tactical Dreadnought Armor) does, only worse. As for looking silly, I wholeheartedly agree; but the Centurion at least looks like someone finished building it before sending it into battle. The Dreadknight, to me, looks like what would happen if an Ork Mek got hit with ADD midway through building a Gargant, and when his back was turned the Blood Ravens stole the unfinished Gargant and fenced it to the Grey Knights.

... I suspect I've been reading too much 1d4chan.

but from what i understand dreadknights have a psychic shield around the user because, space magic, also the user isnt toally exposed, remember they still have their power armor, which must account for something, imperial engineering isnt known for being practical

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