No Right Answer: Best Jim Henson Movie Ever

Best Jim Henson Movie Ever

Proving that forces of good in the universe exist, the Muppets are back in pop culture. But with so many other movies under his belt, are they still Jim Henson's best work?

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First off, Dark Crystal. YES!
Secondly, I'll have to look up that original cut. If anyone has a link that'd be awesome.
Thirdly, Chris's final word completely true. That was actually Peter Jackson's motto in the making of the Lord of the Rings... ie "If it can be done with practical effects, it should". Which is why many people (myself included) feel that the Lord of the Rings looks so much better than the Hobbit. Much more practical effects rather than CG

I never knew The Dark Crystal was frightening; I always thought it was a fantastical adventure set in a strange land not ruled over by Bowie's crotch bulge. To me, hearing people say it's terrifying is like hearing people say Avatar was a horror movie.

I agree with the judgment on this one, though; mostly because of the timelessness of The Dark Crystal. It is a film that requires absolutely no working knowledge of anything from the time period in which it was made, whereas the muppet movie has the same entry barrier that most of the older muppet productions suffer from: the time stamped celebrities.

Also, how can you guys talk about Jim Henson and not even mention Fraggle Rock?

My vote is for MirrorMask. Okay, so it's not a Jim Henson movie, just had the Jim Henson animation team for the CG. Oh and it's CG. And Neil Gaiman wrote it. And Dave McKean desinged and directed. Okay, so maybe it really doesn't count. But still! It's in the same family as Dark Crystal and Labyrinth. Just look that up! There are a few boxsets that back me up on this one!

Sorry, but the correct answer is Labyrinth.

Better luck next time.

I was gonna be difficult and vote for Labyrinth, but fine, have it your way.

Dark Crystal is the best Henson movie, and Labyrinth is the best David Bowie's bulge movie.

I was never scared of Dark Crystal. Also Labyrinth has David Bowie as the sexiest goblin king ever. Your arguments are invalid against the power of the babe.

Kurt Cristal:
And Neil Gaiman wrote it.

And that's how to get me interested in under 3 tenths of a second.

If they ever make a Legend of Zelda movie, Dark Crystal is a good jumping off point for the overall look and tone to be aiming for.

Labyrinth wasn't a Henson movie? What madness is this?!
Personally, I don't see older movies having dated references being an automatic deal breaker, it's a learning experience. Sometimes I watch old movies on TCM with my dad and see how movies used to be made. So that's why it should not be difficult to watch the older Muppet movies in this day and age (and I haven't seen them so long, I don't even remember if I did at all. I should fix that).

I got one word for you guys 'the Labyrinth'

-M

bdcjacko:
I was never scared of Dark Crystal. Also Labyrinth has David Bowie as the sexiest goblin king ever. Your arguments are invalid against the power of the babe.

What Babe?

SilverStuddedSquirre:

bdcjacko:
I was never scared of Dark Crystal. Also Labyrinth has David Bowie as the sexiest goblin king ever. Your arguments are invalid against the power of the babe.

What Babe?

The babe with the power.

bdcjacko:

SilverStuddedSquirre:

bdcjacko:
I was never scared of Dark Crystal. Also Labyrinth has David Bowie as the sexiest goblin king ever. Your arguments are invalid against the power of the babe.

What Babe?

The babe with the power.

What power?

Pickapok:

bdcjacko:

SilverStuddedSquirre:

What Babe?

The babe with the power.

What power?

The power of VooDoo!

BeeGeenie:

Pickapok:

bdcjacko:

The babe with the power.

What power?

The power of VooDoo!

Who do?

SilverStuddedSquirre:

BeeGeenie:

Pickapok:

What power?

The power of VooDoo!

Who do?

you do

bdcjacko:

SilverStuddedSquirre:

BeeGeenie:

The power of VooDoo!

Who do?

you do

Do what?

Pickapok:

bdcjacko:

SilverStuddedSquirre:

Who do?

you do

Do what?

Remind me of the babe!

Kurt Cristal:
My vote is for MirrorMask. Okay, so it's not a Jim Henson movie, just had the Jim Henson animation team for the CG. Oh and it's CG. And Neil Gaiman wrote it. And Dave McKean desinged and directed. Okay, so maybe it really doesn't count. But still! It's in the same family as Dark Crystal and Labyrinth. Just look that up! There are a few boxsets that back me up on this one!

While yes, Mirror Mask was after Jim Henson's time, it is a great Henson film. The fantasy and world building are definitely in that realm. I wish that Neil Gaiman and Jim could have collaborated on a film, epic-ness would have ensued.

As to the debate at hand, as much as I love The Muppet Movie (and I do, I love all Henson related paraphernalia), I believe that Dark Crystal is a better Jim Henson movie. It takes place purely in the fantastical and required a completely new world to be created and filled with creatures. Many of which were envisioned by Brian Fraud, who Jim collaborated with on this and Labyrinth (Brian's son Toby was the Toby in the film!!), and created by the Henson puppet team.
While yes, the Skesis Emperor dying scene always frightened me as a child (I was also scared of E.T. so do the math) the rest of the story made it bearable. And I would watch it repeatedly as a child, along with Labyrinth. Which is also a great Jim Henson movie (let's not forget Frank Oz though, he was Jim's right hand, as Frank was Jim's left).
But I digress, I guess what I'm saying is that I agree with the outcome and for a true experience, immerse your-self in the world of the Dark Crystal.

Labyrinth. David Bowie + Jim Henson = Peanut Butter and Chocolate.

What about Muppets Christmas Carol? Not just the best film of the original story but one of the best films ever. Just sayin...

coheedswicked:
First off, Dark Crystal. YES!
Secondly, I'll have to look up that original cut. If anyone has a link that'd be awesome.
Thirdly, Chris's final word completely true. That was actually Peter Jackson's motto in the making of the Lord of the Rings... ie "If it can be done with practical effects, it should". Which is why many people (myself included) feel that the Lord of the Rings looks so much better than the Hobbit. Much more practical effects rather than CG

I mostly agree with this, and in 99% of any case it will look better when its real...however...have you seen the scene when the Uruk-hai are running from the hilltop towards the horn? That looks pretty bad. Because the Uruk-hai are guys in HEAVY make-up and difficult to see through helmets. Their careful tripping down the stairs...looks pretty pathetic for the fearsome Uruks :p

So...sometimes CG can be better...but in most cases I absolutely agree. Thank god for CH though...the action spectacles of the Marvel movies of today really wouldnt be the same without the effects...

Battenberg:
What about Muppets Christmas Carol? Not just the best film of the original story but one of the best films ever. Just sayin...

You're correct that it's an awesome movie, but it came out in 1992 dedicated to Jim Henson who died in 1990. The movie was directed by his son Brian Henson.

Battenberg:
What about Muppets Christmas Carol? Not just the best film of the original story but one of the best films ever. Just sayin...

Christmas Carol is an adaptation of an existing work, and I wonder if they were thinking of original stories/properties for this. I agree that the Muppet Christmas Carol is one of the best the Henson company has made, and is actually my favorite version of that story. Dark Crystal gets my vote from the two discussed, mostly because I'm the DM in my gaming group and the level of world building on display in that movie is just staggering.

My personal favorite Jim Henson creation was the sci-fi show Farscape. Didn't run during his time and sadly he didn't get to see it but it was what Jim had been wanting to do before his death. It's quite possibly my favorite science fiction series of all time(tied with Babylon 5).

 

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