Escape to the Movies: Noah - Brave, Bold, Bizarre and Kind Of Brilliant

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Noah - Brave, Bold, Bizarre and Kind Of Brilliant

MovieBob checks out Darren Aronofsky's biblical-inspired epic.

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Huh. Even if I'm not exactly religious, I look back at Ben-Hur and still like it as a movie (especially the Chariot race scene)

Maybe this might make a good rent.

Also slightly relevant:

Well now I'm interested.

I'm both confused and interested in how the film treats the Watchers. According to the Book of Enoch, which the movies seems to be drawing on for a lot of the 'apocrypha' (It's canon in the Ethiopic Church) the Watchers were the root of evil; rebellious angels who went to Earth and consorted with human women, they created a race of giants and were the cause of the Flood. Weird to see them cast in a heroic role.

I don't agree.

I've watched the movie yesterday, and I ended up disliking it.
I practically never rooted for Noah during the first and second act, and the major action climax of the film ended up feeling like a reverse of most fantasy movies.
the villain unleashes his army of inhuman monsters to stomp out a large crowd of people who must die simply because the villain deemed them to be unfit to survive... and were suppose to root for the villain ?
the only thing i DID like in this story (effects aside) was that the third act seemed to actually AGREE with me that Noah is a despicable bastard.

when the final showdown took place, i was wholeheartedly rooting for the "bad guy" to kill Noah.

Bob. I think you and I are just gonna have to face it. We're gonna have to go see the movie to find out what th REAL GREEN GOBLIN looks like.

I might see this movie down the road, but I'm saving up for Captain America: The Winter Soldier.

As for the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles trailer... Yeah, I'm not feeling confident about this one at all. -_- Not just from the uncanny valley effect from the CGI turtles (should have called Jim Henson's Creature Shop for this one, Bay) but the tone of the movie feels rather schizophrenic. So does this mean we're getting a Big Picture special episode on Monday, an article on Monday, or did Bob slip up on the release date?

And, no, Bob. That is, apparently the finalize look of the Green Goblin. *facepalm* Somewhere, Willem Dafoe is saying to himself "And people gave me shit about my Green Goblin".

Might give this a shot when my schedule clears up.

I still want to see a movie adaptation of Bill Cosby's Noah.

THAT'S the Greem Goblin? Apparently someone's ony point of reference for goblins was []iLabyrinth[/i].

2:40

Am I the only one who's sick of the "industry/science/technology is bad, nature is good" idea that pops up in movies/games/books/etc.?

McMarbles:
I still want to see a movie adaptation of Bill Cosby's Noah.

"Say, what's this thing for anyway?"
"I can't tell you. Ha ha ha ha."
"Well, can you give me a little hint?"
"You want a hint?"
"Yes please."
"How long can you tread water? Ha ha ha ha."

I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking of Bill Cosby while I was watching this review. I'm intrigued by this movie, but I'm still not sure if I'm going to see it. Maybe if there's nothing to do someday.

marioandsonic:
2:40

Am I the only one who's sick of the "industry/science/technology is bad, nature is good" idea that pops up in movies/games/books/etc.?

A lot of times, such as in this case, it seems to be used to make a statement about environmental issues. It is sort of an extreme position, as technology isn't so much inherently bad as that we've been seriously abusing it for years. Still, given how important environmental issues are, I can't really complain about it being worked into narratives.

marioandsonic:
2:40

Am I the only one who's sick of the "industry/science/technology is bad, nature is good" idea that pops up in movies/games/books/etc.?

I think that is why Bob was like "GEEZE, I wonder who the good guys are" so sarcastically. It is certainly becoming a very tiring trope. Too bad the reverse would get skewered in today's overly charged political climate :/

Well call me interested. And I think we're all going to have to wait for the movie to come out to see the real Green Goblin.

marioandsonic:
2:40

Am I the only one who's sick of the "industry/science/technology is bad, nature is good" idea that pops up in movies/games/books/etc.?

It's possibly just because I'm a video game playing and computer science type person, but I always get a bit uncomfortable when people keep spouting the whole 'good environmentalism = technological stasis' moral over and over again. I mean, I don't hate the environment, but I often feel like I'd rather root for the bad guy if our choices are 'be good people' or 'have things more advanced than wheelbarrows'.

I just find it rather funny that after all the I don't understand what the big deal is about changing superheroes that now it's the Bible crowd that gets to find out why people can get upset about change. Although it makes me wonder does this mean we have to call them Bible nerds?

marioandsonic:
2:40

Am I the only one who's sick of the "industry/science/technology is bad, nature is good" idea that pops up in movies/games/books/etc.?

I'm not sick of it I always hated it, If you honestly want to live without techonogy you are a idiot.

Despite that annoying plot point the movie still looks very interesting.

MysticSlayer:

marioandsonic:
2:40

Am I the only one who's sick of the "industry/science/technology is bad, nature is good" idea that pops up in movies/games/books/etc.?

A lot of times, such as in this case, it seems to be used to make a statement about environmental issues. It is sort of an extreme position, as technology isn't so much inherently bad as that we've been seriously abusing it for years. Still, given how important environmental issues are, I can't really complain about it being worked into narratives.

I'm not saying environmentalism is a bad thing. But narratives like those seem to say that technology and nature are enemies, which is complete nonsense.

I firmly believe that technology and nature are not only not enemies, but can also be used to support one another.

But like you said, technology isn't good or evil, it just is. What matters is how it's used.

Falterfire:

marioandsonic:
2:40

Am I the only one who's sick of the "industry/science/technology is bad, nature is good" idea that pops up in movies/games/books/etc.?

It's possibly just because I'm a video game playing and computer science type person, but I always get a bit uncomfortable when people keep spouting the whole 'good environmentalism = technological stasis' moral over and over again. I mean, I don't hate the environment, but I often feel like I'd rather root for the bad guy if our choices are 'be good people' or 'have things more advanced than wheelbarrows'.

Yeah, and that is an issue with the really hardcore environmentalists too. Caring about the environment doesn't mean we can't advance as a species, it doesn't mean we can't be a technological, industrial species. It's all in how you do it. There's a lot of very neat ideas out there. Solar power, wind, hydro-electric, more and more advanced (and rechargeable) batteries that makes the pure electric power produced by them more viable in things like cars and heavier machinery. And if you want to get into more futuristic tech, nuclear fusion remains the holy grail of large-scale power distribution, and there are already ideas out there for orbital solar power collectors (satellites you stick up in orbit that absorb solar energy without the atmosphere to get in the way, and then beam it down to collection sites on the ground as microwave radiation. The tech just isn't currently there though) and such.

Assuming we ever get there, anyway. Fossil fuels and their derivatives are finite resources. We only have so long a window before they disappear and if we don't start using them like what they really are (an imperfect but undeniably useful stepping stone between muscle-power and truly sustainable energy), then we're going to run out of time and get screwed by them in the end.

The trick is to advance ourselves enough to where our industry doesn't also destroy our own habitat. Create a stable infrastructure of sustainable energy, and then figure out how to get up into space to mine our raw resources from all the asteroids and barren moons junking up our system. Not only are they richer in a lot of rarer elements, but you can mine a barren rock all you want without hurting anyone's environment. Yes, it's technically finite, but there's so much in our solar system alone we could never exploit it all.

marioandsonic:
2:40

Am I the only one who's sick of the "industry/science/technology is bad, nature is good" idea that pops up in movies/games/books/etc.?

I mostly get annoyed by the hypocrisy. Like, they're not against all technology, they just seem to draw arbitrary lines as to what technology is okay.

"Hey, if we don't build granaries, we can't store surplus harvests. That means one bad drought or blight or raid by nomads could wipe us out."

"Well, okay, then obviously we can build granaries."

"Then we need carpentry and masonry. And we'll have to cut down trees."

"Um, okay. Well, a few trees should be okay."

"If we don't use metal implements, we'll have to work like 10 times as hard tilling the soil and harvesting and building granaries."

"Well, fine, we can use metal implements."

"So it's okay to start mining and smelting and forging?"

"Sure, I guess."

"That would go a lot faster if we could use a block and tackle and a waterwheel."

Etc., etc.

We should have a poll. "Who's Hot Enough to be Delilah?"

Any takers?

Bob. Stop pretending that you don't have a little Brian Griffon you yourself. There is a reason people should be concerned about the bible becoming relevant again in the public eye and you know it. Although if this movie is as far removed form the squeaky clean version parents tell children then I am interested to see it. Hell a Sampson movie would be good if it is made in a similar way with a hard 'R' keeping all the sex and violence that make it clear Sampson is not a good guy but rather a person of circumstance.

You know I can't even remember if the story of Sampson had a moral or point to it except maybe 'Don't trust women'. I wonder how dated and sexist stuff like that is going to play out to a modern movie going audience in this atmosphere of hype equality awareness. I visit tumblr too.

themilo504:

marioandsonic:
2:40

Am I the only one who's sick of the "industry/science/technology is bad, nature is good" idea that pops up in movies/games/books/etc.?

I'm not sick of it I always hated it, If you honestly want to live without techonogy you are a idiot.

Despite that annoying plot point the movie still looks very interesting.

Same here. I don't even think people who want to go technologically/scientifically backwards have the skills to survive in such an environment. An even more blatant message this movie's pushing is "eating meat = bad / vegan = good."

OT: Now I'm a little more interested in this movie, if its beginning showing its version of The Beginning is as balls-out crazy as that. It's kind of a cop out that the animals, the WHOLE FREAKIN' POINT OF BUILDING THE ARK, got the short straw.

And no, I'm not impressed by ASM2's Green Goblin. Maybe an inherently silly costume in the comics is hard to translate to film.

captcha: veg out
Oh hell no, I'm a meat eater. Like my hero, Ron Swanson.

Meat eating evil B-( vegetable eating good :-) ... Yeah. Bit simplistic isn't it bob. Nope, I'm already insulted by the moral bullshit.

V4Viewtiful:
Weshould have a pole. "Who's Hot Enough to be Delilah?"

Any takers?

After some consideration, I'm going to have to go with Eva Green.

Also, while I agree it may be simplistic and a little tired, I think people might be jumping the gun a little getting so uppity about the vegetarian, environmental harmony crowd being denoted the good guys in this one. Certainly, Bob seems to be saying that despite that, this film is far less interested in shoving a moral message of any sort down your throat that some others inspired by religious texts, and is far more concerned with the, well, 'biblical' scale of the thing.

Not everything that so much as passively holds a world-view that differs from yours should be considered a personal attack or admonishment, you know.

Noah: lets build a giant boat to save the world from flooding,
Son: what shall we use?
Noah: Wood of course.
Son: from trees? say don't trees help prevent flooding and whatnot, I mean if we didn't build the ungodly big boat by deforestation maybe the world won't flood.
Noah: I hate you, you don't get to stay on the giant boat now.

You hope for Samson next huh? Good choice but, I think a treatment such as this needs to be done with "The Epic of Gilgamesh".

NinjaDeathSlap:

V4Viewtiful:
Weshould have a pole. "Who's Hot Enough to be Delilah?"

Any takers?

After some consideration, I'm going to have to go with Eva Green.

Also, while I agree it may be simplistic and a little tired, I think people might be jumping the gun a little getting so uppity about the vegetarian, environmental harmony crowd being denoted the good guys in this one. Certainly, Bob seems to be saying that despite that, this film is far less interested in shoving a moral message of any sort down your throat that some others inspired by religious texts, and is far more concerned with the, well, 'biblical' scale of the thing.

Not everything that so much as passively holds a world-view that differs from yours should be considered a personal attack or admonishment, you know.

I agree with the conclusion of your careful consideration... Eva Green ftw!

Gaijinko:
Noah: lets build a giant boat to save the world from flooding,
Son: what shall we use?
Noah: Wood of course.
Son: from trees? say don't trees help prevent flooding and whatnot, I mean if we didn't build the ungodly big boat by deforestation maybe the world won't flood.
Noah: I hate you, you don't get to stay on the giant boat now.

That could work into the curse of Cham.

Noah: I celebrate with wine and you talk smack about my drunkeness? This is the last straw, boy!
Cham: I'm not the one who cut down the trees making the flood worse.
Noah: Yeah well me and the fallen angels are tight now and we got plans for you.
Cham: Um, you forgot I'm blessed dad just like my other brothers you can't touch me
Noah: well seeing as you like dragging my name through the mud how about we do that to your children!

And thus Black people was born ;)

Oh, two for Eva Green, any other candidates? Come one, there's a decent pool of good looking actors out some of them are even great actors :P

V4Viewtiful:

Gaijinko:
Noah: lets build a giant boat to save the world from flooding,
Son: what shall we use?
Noah: Wood of course.
Son: from trees? say don't trees help prevent flooding and whatnot, I mean if we didn't build the ungodly big boat by deforestation maybe the world won't flood.
Noah: I hate you, you don't get to stay on the giant boat now.

That could work into the curse of Cham.

Noah: I celebrate with wine and you talk smack about my drunkeness? This is the last straw, boy!
Cham: I'm not the one who cut down the trees making the flood worse.
Noah: Yeah well me and the fallen angels are tight now and we got plans for you.
Cham: Um, you forgot I'm blessed dad just like my other brothers you can't touch me
Noah: well seeing as you like dragging my name through the mud how about we do that to your children!

And thus Black people was born ;)

I actually had to look up the curse of ham and it still has me scratching my head. So Ham sees old guy wang and danglies and recoils, screams at his brothers to make the old guy put on some underpants or at least get a hilarious facebook picture of it, Noah wakes and rather than laughing it off, curses Hams son for eternity. Are we SURE Noah isn't some sort of envoy of the devil.

Gaijinko:

V4Viewtiful:

Gaijinko:
Noah: lets build a giant boat to save the world from flooding,
Son: what shall we use?
Noah: Wood of course.
Son: from trees? say don't trees help prevent flooding and whatnot, I mean if we didn't build the ungodly big boat by deforestation maybe the world won't flood.
Noah: I hate you, you don't get to stay on the giant boat now.

That could work into the curse of Cham.

Noah: I celebrate with wine and you talk smack about my drunkeness? This is the last straw, boy!
Cham: I'm not the one who cut down the trees making the flood worse.
Noah: Yeah well me and the fallen angels are tight now and we got plans for you.
Cham: Um, you forgot I'm blessed dad just like my other brothers you can't touch me
Noah: well seeing as you like dragging my name through the mud how about we do that to your children!

And thus Black people was born ;)

I actually had to look up the curse of ham and it still has me scratching my head. So Ham sees old guy wang and danglies and recoils, screams at his brothers to make the old guy put on some underpants or at least get a hilarious facebook picture of it, Noah wakes and rather than laughing it off, curses Hams son for eternity. Are we SURE Noah isn't some sort of envoy of the devil.

Actually it may not just be that, Cham may have spread word around of his Dads drunkeness or disrespected his name in some way that caused great dishonor. The timescale and the metaphorical context of the story as well as the odd miss translation (or double meaning, like how Judas "Betraying" Jesus may just have meant Jesus wanted one of them to hand him over to the authorities willingly) is sketchy at best because.

So Noah's not bad, good to hear.

Also, I'm surprised at the casting of Warwick Davis as Green Goblin myself. A bold and interesting choice!

V4Viewtiful:

Gaijinko:

V4Viewtiful:
That could work into the curse of Cham.

Noah: I celebrate with wine and you talk smack about my drunkeness? This is the last straw, boy!
Cham: I'm not the one who cut down the trees making the flood worse.
Noah: Yeah well me and the fallen angels are tight now and we got plans for you.
Cham: Um, you forgot I'm blessed dad just like my other brothers you can't touch me
Noah: well seeing as you like dragging my name through the mud how about we do that to your children!

And thus Black people was born ;)

I actually had to look up the curse of ham and it still has me scratching my head. So Ham sees old guy wang and danglies and recoils, screams at his brothers to make the old guy put on some underpants or at least get a hilarious facebook picture of it, Noah wakes and rather than laughing it off, curses Hams son for eternity. Are we SURE Noah isn't some sort of envoy of the devil.

Actually it may not just be that, Cham may have spread word around of his Dads drunkeness or disrespected his name in some way that caused great dishonor. The timescale and the metaphorical context of the story as well as the odd miss translation (or double meaning, like how Judas "Betraying" Jesus may just have meant Jesus wanted one of them to hand him over to the authorities willingly) is sketchy at best because.

I will admit it has got me interested to read a religious text now to find out exactly what happened, and how we can interpret what was at the time very serious stories through modern eyes. I mean I had to learn from the internet that Jesus actually dabbled in dragon taming.

Gaijinko:

V4Viewtiful:

Gaijinko:

I actually had to look up the curse of ham and it still has me scratching my head. So Ham sees old guy wang and danglies and recoils, screams at his brothers to make the old guy put on some underpants or at least get a hilarious facebook picture of it, Noah wakes and rather than laughing it off, curses Hams son for eternity. Are we SURE Noah isn't some sort of envoy of the devil.

Actually it may not just be that, Cham may have spread word around of his Dads drunkeness or disrespected his name in some way that caused great dishonor. The timescale and the metaphorical context of the story as well as the odd miss translation (or double meaning, like how Judas "Betraying" Jesus may just have meant Jesus wanted one of them to hand him over to the authorities willingly) is sketchy at best because.

I will admit it has got me interested to read a religious text now to find out exactly what happened, and how we can interpret what was at the time very serious stories through modern eyes. I mean I had to learn from the internet that Jesus actually dabbled in dragon taming.

A big chunk of what we know about christianity is propaganda, like how Jesus story skips his teens, or the crazy creatures that roamed the Earth like in the Noah film. Hell even marriage, it used to be for many many many centuries more of a business transaction then anything we believe it to be now.
I personally like the old testament because it's just so raw! :D I've read some of the old Hebrew text and it goes into a lot more detail with many of these stories, as you'd expect.

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