The Senator Yee Affidavit: Bribery, Triads, Drugs, and Arms Deals

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The Senator Yee Affidavit: Bribery, Triads, Drugs, and Arms Deals

Critical Intel goes deep on the array of charges against Leland Yee, the anti-violent games, anti-gun State Senator from California. Here's everything you wanted to know.

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This is surreal. I had to reread it to make sure I had actually read what I read. From campaign fraud to assisting in weapons smuggling from terrorists? And all the stuff his campaign manager was doing as well. Wow.

If it wasn't for the date I would think it was a remarkably tasteless April Fool's joke

Its interesting to see old fashioned Tammany Hall politics is still alive and well in the states. How widespread is this?

To be fair the insurgency in Mindanao is rather chameleon like. It tends to publicly adopt the ideology of whoever is likely to give it money. The Mindanao insurgency is really a separatist movement from Manila and the rest is just window dressing.

Robert Rath:
Though reading the affidavit, I can't help but feel a little sorry for Yee. His pathetic, vulnerable stammer when discussing bribes, the verbal tic of asking rhetorical questions and the way he's pushed around by his fundraisers - he may indeed have some case for entrapment. Uncle Leland does seem like a GTA character, albeit one of the pathetic ones we're supposed to laugh at, an initial quest-giver who oversteps his bounds thinking he can go big.

If guilty and convicted, he'll certainly be getting what he deserves, but I can't help but thinking that all his hubris and dogged pursuit of power was really a man trying to get out from under a life he couldn't stand. Yee was a person who badly needed to escape.

You're kidding, right? The guy was gun-running, taking bribes, and aiding terrorists! Leland Yee is a scumbag criminal, pure and simple. I don't give a damn why he did it. He committed crimes, serious crimes, that helped facilitate the injuries and deaths of God knows how many people. But what really bothers me about this article in particular is that like every other one that reports on this duplicitous weasel is that never once is he referred to as a democrat. Not once. If he was a republican, I'm sure that little fact would have been mentioned at least a dozen times.

I mean, the hypocrisy of Lee is staggering. This guy is one of the most left-wing, anti-gun, soft on crime democrats in politics today. And that's what makes this almost comical: Yee is more than happy helping gang members and terrorists, but allowing legal, law-abiding citizens to have guns to defend themselves FROM THE VERY CRIMINALS YEE IS ARMING makes him quiver in terror at the thought of John Q Public being able to carry a concealed gun so he can defend himself should he run into one of Yee's buddies. But don't worry, Leland, I'm sure you'll get a pardon for all your anti-gun legislation in a couple years.

Worst run State in the US, ladies and gentlemen!

Yeah, we have MBA's and master's degrees crawling through every orifice while the streets don't get paved.

To be clear, every politician that bubbles up to the top of the San Francisco dogpile is a scumbag, this one just happens to be worse than the rest.

Scariest bit is that this is just the one we caught. The FBI only came across Lee by coincidence. Also, this is a state senator. Imagine what the senators in Washington get up to.

I hope someone adapts this story for a video game - a violent one.

Robert Rath:
The Senator Yee Affidavit: Bribery, Triads, Drugs, and Arms Deals

[H]e may indeed have some case for entrapment.

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He really doesn't. His predisposition to the criminal behavior within the scope of the investigation had been established. His associates, transactions, other activities are indicative of the very behavior being investigated and facilitated. Whether a criminal action was taken as facilitated by authorities or as facilitated by anyone else, the action was taken, regardless. The way t.v., film, and the internet generally convey entrapment (and how those accused fight it or successfully use it as part of their defense) - usually isn't how it actually works, either as a legal concept or in practice. Provided the evidence is good and holds up, Lee doesn't have a chance.

Good article. Thanks for the read.

Well it's a good thing this story is being carried far and wide for the american people to know the kind of corr... oh wait, nope.
Here's my post from back when this was posted in the forums:

tangoprime:
My favorite part of this whole story is the part where CNN / MSNBC / ABC News still aren't carrying this story, 2 days later. MSNBC, upon searching "Leland Yee" briefly mentions it a few paragraphs into a story about political corruption, CNN returns absolutely no search results regarding the arrest or release on bond, and many other of the expected "news sources" aren't showing this story on homepage, US News, or Politics sections.

http://www.cnn.com/search/?query=leland+yee&x=0&y=0&primaryType=mixed&sortBy=relevance&intl=false
Lol, the violent video game bill is the most relevant search result for "Leland Yee" on CNN.

Can't go smearing the Democrat / anti-gun politicians, can we?

tangoprime:
Well it's a good thing this story is being carried far and wide for the american people to know the kind of corr... oh wait, nope.
Here's my post from back when this was posted in the forums:

tangoprime:
My favorite part of this whole story is the part where CNN / MSNBC / ABC News still aren't carrying this story, 2 days later. MSNBC, upon searching "Leland Yee" briefly mentions it a few paragraphs into a story about political corruption, CNN returns absolutely no search results regarding the arrest or release on bond, and many other of the expected "news sources" aren't showing this story on homepage, US News, or Politics sections.

http://www.cnn.com/search/?query=leland+yee&x=0&y=0&primaryType=mixed&sortBy=relevance&intl=false
Lol, the violent video game bill is the most relevant search result for "Leland Yee" on CNN.

Can't go smearing the Democrat / anti-gun politicians, can we?

No, we can't. The mass media covers up for them all the time, and even game journalists (really no different from the rest of the media) will almost never mention which party he belongs to and focuses most on his anti-games policies, not the fact he wants to strip Americans of legally bought guns while giving illegal guns to criminals and terrorists. But it's not hypocrisy to be anti-game and then run guns. That would be like saying you're against wearing fur but then eating meat. It would be hypocritical if it turned out he was a huge gamer. The fact he's a huge anti-gun nut is where the hypocrisy is.

This is more like the sequel to Sleeping Dogs than anything I ever would have imagined.

LysanderNemoinis:
No, we can't. The mass media covers up for them all the time, and even game journalists (really no different from the rest of the media) will almost never mention which party he belongs to and focuses most on his anti-games policies, not the fact he wants to strip Americans of legally bought guns while giving illegal guns to criminals and terrorists. But it's not hypocrisy to be anti-game and then run guns. That would be like saying you're against wearing fur but then eating meat. It would be hypocritical if it turned out he was a huge gamer. The fact he's a huge anti-gun nut is where the hypocrisy is.

He's not a hypocrite. Bigger restrictions mean bigger money. He's a good businessman. Sure, he screws all of us over, but think of the cash!

LysanderNemoinis:

tangoprime:
Well it's a good thing this story is being carried far and wide for the american people to know the kind of corr... oh wait, nope.
Here's my post from back when this was posted in the forums:

tangoprime:
My favorite part of this whole story is the part where CNN / MSNBC / ABC News still aren't carrying this story, 2 days later. MSNBC, upon searching "Leland Yee" briefly mentions it a few paragraphs into a story about political corruption, CNN returns absolutely no search results regarding the arrest or release on bond, and many other of the expected "news sources" aren't showing this story on homepage, US News, or Politics sections.

http://www.cnn.com/search/?query=leland+yee&x=0&y=0&primaryType=mixed&sortBy=relevance&intl=false
Lol, the violent video game bill is the most relevant search result for "Leland Yee" on CNN.

Can't go smearing the Democrat / anti-gun politicians, can we?

No, we can't. The mass media covers up for them all the time, and even game journalists (really no different from the rest of the media) will almost never mention which party he belongs to and focuses most on his anti-games policies, not the fact he wants to strip Americans of legally bought guns while giving illegal guns to criminals and terrorists. But it's not hypocrisy to be anti-game and then run guns. That would be like saying you're against wearing fur but then eating meat. It would be hypocritical if it turned out he was a huge gamer. The fact he's a huge anti-gun nut is where the hypocrisy is.

Yeah, I'm not seeing much about this in the media. Remember, they do have a plane crash story to continue beating into the ground.

It's got me thinking about California though. They seem to take pride in upholding what is essentially one party rule for the last many decades. It's a rich, educated, and beautiful state, yet they're almost bankrupt. Right now they have 3 democratic state senators suspended over misconduct. The legislature won't even take away their pay, not even the one who has already been convicted. Maybe it's time for Cali to let the other party in a bit. The system works better when there's someone who can check and balance you. I'm not even a Republican. This same crap happens when any party rules unchecked.

deathmothon:

Yeah, I'm not seeing much about this in the media. Remember, they do have a plane crash story to continue beating into the ground.

It's got me thinking about California though. They seem to take pride in upholding what is essentially one party rule for the last many decades. It's a rich, educated, and beautiful state, yet they're almost bankrupt. Right now they have 3 democratic state senators suspended over misconduct. The legislature won't even take away their pay, not even the one who has already been convicted. Maybe it's time for Cali to let the other party in a bit. The system works better when there's someone who can check and balance you. I'm not even a Republican. This same crap happens when any party rules unchecked.

Californian here.

The last thing I'd want is a single Republican ordering around this state and running it into the ground. The biggest problem our state has is mostly because we're allowed to vote on nearly -anything-, which means while we can approve a new road being built chances are people wouldn't approve of the taxes that logically should accompany it.

Still, I'd sooner keep our current system for the next few years then let the republican party take control. The party is dying out here in California, and it can't leave soon enough. Any republican commenting on the state of affairs here and screaming about "DERR HURR, OUR GUUUUUUURNZ" can kindly keep quiet if they aren't from cali itself. Many of us don't want their party's "help" and we're better off without it.

deathmothon:

LysanderNemoinis:

tangoprime:
Well it's a good thing this story is being carried far and wide for the american people to know the kind of corr... oh wait, nope.
Here's my post from back when this was posted in the forums:

Can't go smearing the Democrat / anti-gun politicians, can we?

No, we can't. The mass media covers up for them all the time, and even game journalists (really no different from the rest of the media) will almost never mention which party he belongs to and focuses most on his anti-games policies, not the fact he wants to strip Americans of legally bought guns while giving illegal guns to criminals and terrorists. But it's not hypocrisy to be anti-game and then run guns. That would be like saying you're against wearing fur but then eating meat. It would be hypocritical if it turned out he was a huge gamer. The fact he's a huge anti-gun nut is where the hypocrisy is.

Yeah, I'm not seeing much about this in the media. Remember, they do have a plane crash story to continue beating into the ground.

It's got me thinking about California though. They seem to take pride in upholding what is essentially one party rule for the last many decades. It's a rich, educated, and beautiful state, yet they're almost bankrupt. Right now they have 3 democratic state senators suspended over misconduct. The legislature won't even take away their pay, not even the one who has already been convicted. Maybe it's time for Cali to let the other party in a bit. The system works better when there's someone who can check and balance you. I'm not even a Republican. This same crap happens when any party rules unchecked.

Amen. Things runs best when one side or the other is only in moderate majority and doesn't have a total deathgrip on a given state or the country as a whole. I mean, almost every state that's completely controlled by one side or the other are totally screwed. Though the biggest front runners are California, Illinois, Michigan, New York, etc.) are totally owned lockstep by democrats, and each of those states have ruined economies. California has Hollywood, for God's sake, and they're still hemorrhaging money like a nervous hemophiliac at a blood bank.

And as for the media, I almost forgot about the plane crash. But even if it wasn't, and there was absolutely nothing going on in the country, I'm sure the media would find something else to talk about other than one of their fellow liberals gun-running for gangs and terrorists.

Interesting, to be honest I'm surprised Treason hasn't come up yet. The terrorists he's buying guns from (ie giving them money they need to conduct their operations) apparently have the expressed goal of taking over The Philippines, the Philippines is a US territory (ie it's basically part of the USA, even if it's not a state, sort of like Puerto Rico or American Samoa). This does mention some kind of peace treaty was brokered between the terrorists and the government, but still this MILF group (I can barely use that acronym with a straight face, sounds like a joke from a spy parody) stands for what it stands for, even if it's allegedly not actively fighting us.

I thought more was going to come out of this over Chinese Intelligence, but that was always rumor and speculation. This does explain some of the rumors though. As I said in earlier posts if you do a search for "Chee Kung Tong" you'll see it being used in the name of a lot of businesses, as well as being tied to a fairly ancient masonic order (which spins off into all kinds of occult stuff). This at least mentioned the "legitimate face" of the organization. One of the big things (and why I remembered the name) was that allegedly CKT was long suspected of being at least partially a front for Chinese Intelligence and moving their agents, money, weapons, and building infrastructure in the US. Of course this is a domestic bust by the FBI, so other than the part where they followed Yee to his dealings over seas it makes sense they wouldn't have been digging into the international aspects of the rest of the business (at least not in a Yee-focused document). One thing I suspected and am sort of relieved to see didn't pan out was that it was going to turn out that Yee worked for the Chinese government (given that he was born in China, and was apparently working with Chinese organized crime suspected by some theorists to also be tied to Chinese intelligence) but apparently he's just a corrupt patsy, the way this portrays him I doubt he was trained/planted by anyone... which is a good thing.

That said, while it hasn't been done for a very long time, I do think treason should be on the plate. I mean I'm sorry, you don't have to be a spy for another country for that to make sense. The dude was still brokering arms deals that were putting money in the hands of a group with the stated goal of seizing control of a US territory.... it doesn't get much more treasonous than that. See if he was just a hypocrite and was say running guns between two gangs or something in the US I'd say the charges were fine, but when this goes as far as terrorist organizations with big goals, I think the guy needs to be put down (if he's convicted) I don't want there to be any chance of the guy getting put in some federal country club for a few years and then being let out. If the US was a bit more barbaric I'd say if he's convicted they should pretty much take his head off with a machete in front of CNN's cameras... sort of like MILF apparently did to some US soldiers... but we aren't, so I guess we won't see that bit of poetic justice, if he was convicted of treason he'd probably just spend the rest of his life on death row (but at least it would insure he'd never go free).

This was a very straightforward read, thank you. I'm still surprised at the lack of news coverage this story is getting though. Although, if my President and AG can give military grade full-auto rifles to the Mexican cartels without issue I guess it shouldn't surprise me...

That was a damn exciting read. I'm kinda surprised that political fundraising escalated that quickly. Still, good all those FBI agents for a job well done.

Therumancer:
That said, while it hasn't been done for a very long time, I do think treason should be on the plate. I mean I'm sorry, you don't have to be a spy for another country for that to make sense. The dude was still brokering arms deals that were putting money in the hands of a group with the stated goal of seizing control of a US territory.... it doesn't get much more treasonous than that. See if he was just a hypocrite and was say running guns between two gangs or something in the US I'd say the charges were fine, but when this goes as far as terrorist organizations with big goals, I think the guy needs to be put down (if he's convicted) I don't want there to be any chance of the guy getting put in some federal country club for a few years and then being let out. If the US was a bit more barbaric I'd say if he's convicted they should pretty much take his head off with a machete in front of CNN's cameras... sort of like MILF apparently did to some US soldiers... but we aren't, so I guess we won't see that bit of poetic justice, if he was convicted of treason he'd probably just spend the rest of his life on death row (but at least it would insure he'd never go free).

First, it seems highly unlikely treason will ever be mentioned, because not only is there a democrat that shares his views in the White House, and the republicans are too spineless to try and bring any sort of charges against him, especially since they don't want to be seen as calling a liberal a traitor...which Yee is.

Sarge034:
This was a very straightforward read, thank you. I'm still surprised at the lack of news coverage this story is getting though. Although, if my President and AG can give military grade full-auto rifles to the Mexican cartels without issue I guess it shouldn't surprise me...

What really won't surprise me is when he gets pardoned in a few years, serves little (if any) actual jail time, and is back with a government job in California or some other moon colony of a state within a decade. Hell, if the democrats can accept Robert Byrd (a former member of the KKK) in their party, they'll let in anybody.

Therumancer:
Interesting, to be honest I'm surprised Treason hasn't come up yet. The terrorists he's buying guns from (ie giving them money they need to conduct their operations) apparently have the expressed goal of taking over The Philippines, the Philippines is a US territory (ie it's basically part of the USA, even if it's not a state, sort of like Puerto Rico or American Samoa).

Need to stop you right there, while I agree that the charge of Treason is warranted, providing weapons to a terrorist group with an intention to operate domestically does quite fully fulfill the 'giving aid to the enemy' portion of Treason, the Philippines is not US territory anymore. It declared it's Independence was granted it on July 4th, 1946.

Dang, sounds like something out of a crime drama.

In all seriousness though, I can't bring myself to feel sorry for the guy. Before, I only knew him as the jerk who tried to jump on the "Video games are bad" bandwagon. Now he's the very definition of hypocrite and a criminal. I can only imagine the harm he'd cause if he got into a position of greater power.

Also like others I'm surprised this has gotten so little news coverage. I normally kind of roll my eyes when republicans go on about liberal media twisting information (I tend to lean more towards the left myself) But this should be talked about and that fact he is a democrat shouldn't be the reason this gets so little media attention.

LysanderNemoinis:
What really won't surprise me is when he gets pardoned in a few years, serves little (if any) actual jail time, and is back with a government job in California or some other moon colony of a state within a decade. Hell, if the democrats can accept Robert Byrd (a former member of the KKK) in their party, they'll let in anybody.

(Et all)

You remember that news article that chapped your ass cheeks for demonizing all Republicans? You're doing the same thing to Democrats bud.

Anyway... I doubt he will get too much of a reduced sentence as there are some really bad charges being levied against him. I mean a Federal weapons charge is enough to fuck up your like for a good long while and that is just the appetizer. I don't think the Democrats will pull any type of strings for him because you know the Republicans are just waiting for someone to associate with him so they can use it as a weapon. I would not be surprised, however, if he was given the option to serve his time at one of those hotel prisons like Martha Stewart was. All in all, at least this fucker got caught. I think the hypocrisy makes me more angry than anything.

Witty Name Here:

deathmothon:

Yeah, I'm not seeing much about this in the media. Remember, they do have a plane crash story to continue beating into the ground.

It's got me thinking about California though. They seem to take pride in upholding what is essentially one party rule for the last many decades. It's a rich, educated, and beautiful state, yet they're almost bankrupt. Right now they have 3 democratic state senators suspended over misconduct. The legislature won't even take away their pay, not even the one who has already been convicted. Maybe it's time for Cali to let the other party in a bit. The system works better when there's someone who can check and balance you. I'm not even a Republican. This same crap happens when any party rules unchecked.

Californian here.

The last thing I'd want is a single Republican ordering around this state and running it into the ground. The biggest problem our state has is mostly because we're allowed to vote on nearly -anything-, which means while we can approve a new road being built chances are people wouldn't approve of the taxes that logically should accompany it.

Still, I'd sooner keep our current system for the next few years then let the republican party take control. The party is dying out here in California, and it can't leave soon enough. Any republican commenting on the state of affairs here and screaming about "DERR HURR, OUR GUUUUUUURNZ" can kindly keep quiet if they aren't from cali itself. Many of us don't want their party's "help" and we're better off without it.

You've missed what he's saying. deathmethon is looking for balance, for republicans to at least be involved in the state government.

Also

"DERR HURR, OUR GUUUUUUURNZ

That was an extremely childish and gross misrepresentation of the gun debate.

FFHAuthor:

Need to stop you right there, while I agree that the charge of Treason is warranted, providing weapons to a terrorist group with an intention to operate domestically does quite fully fulfill the 'giving aid to the enemy' portion of Treason, the Philippines is not US territory anymore. It declared it's Independence was granted it on July 4th, 1946.

Hence the famous quote about the Philippines "400 years in the convent, 50 years in the whorehouse". Referring to 400 years of Spanish rule followed by 50 years of American rule after the Spanish-American War, which was cooked up so America could vassalise Cuba and seize the Philippines, Guam and Puerto Rico

A very exciting read, indeed. Parts of it are just so utterly surreal. Not being from America, I don't really have a huge background of Canadian Tammanny Hall-style politics, but it's just mind-boggling to see just how far from their core ideologies some politicians will allow themselves to fall, all in the pursuit of a guaranteed electoral win or a Senate seat. The best local example I've got is my current leading party suddenly giving its ear to the hardcore Separatist (and somewhat hate-mongering) intelligentsia. That's ideals gone wrong, desperation and just plain power-mad dispositions mixed together in a great big blender.

Which, of course, betrays the fact that some politicians have no principles at all. If Yee had had the slightest moral compunctions, he would've backed out of this shitstorm from Day One. A failed run for mayor will soften a man, then, if cash is *that* important for the proceedings.

He really does feel like a dumb proxy or middleman, the kind you'd deal with in a GTA title.

FFHAuthor:
Need to stop you right there, while I agree that the charge of Treason is warranted, providing weapons to a terrorist group with an intention to operate domestically does quite fully fulfill the 'giving aid to the enemy' portion of Treason, the Philippines is not US territory anymore. It declared it's Independence was granted it on July 4th, 1946.

But he wasn't giving weapons to them. He was buying weapons from them so he was giving the money. Giving money to a known terrorist organization is terrorism, and supporting terrorism against US interests is treason. The charge could stick but I don't think it will be brought against him, not because of Democrats, but because the US populous wouldn't support it even if it were justified. I mean by all rights that army wiki leaks dude should have been put to death and so should the NSA dude under the charge of treason.

Another loud moralizer turns out to be an utter hypocrite? I'm not even slightly surprised. Doesn't seem to matter what political party they belong to; the ones who moan the loudest about how their chosen target is "destroying America" are usually just trying to draw attention away from their own crimes and misdeeds. I wish people would learn this lesson.

LysanderNemoinis:

You're kidding, right? The guy was gun-running, taking bribes, and aiding terrorists! Leland Yee is a scumbag criminal, pure and simple. I don't give a damn why he did it. He committed crimes, serious crimes, that helped facilitate the injuries and deaths of God knows how many people. But what really bothers me about this article in particular is that like every other one that reports on this duplicitous weasel is that never once is he referred to as a democrat. Not once. If he was a republican, I'm sure that little fact would have been mentioned at least a dozen times.

I don't condone the guy's actions, and I think he deserves a conviction and a harsh sentence, but it's easy to see how someone could sympathize with him. It's like watching Walter White progress from mild-mannered teacher to cold-blooded killer, except instead we're watching Yee slowly engulf himself in a world in which he frankly never belonged. Sure his qualms were only for his own skin, and he disregarded all of the ramifications of his dealings, but with his whole "There is a part of me that wants to be like you" line, he actually seems relatable. Hell, the world of politics often seems like a terrible place, I can't fault the guy for thinking that organized crime seemed much more interesting. I can and do fault him for actually getting involved in it.

OT: My goodness, this was absolutely fascinating. Many, many thanks to Mister Rath for researching and writing this article. If this isn't made into a movie or at least a tv show within five years, Hollywood has failed.

FFHAuthor:

Therumancer:
Interesting, to be honest I'm surprised Treason hasn't come up yet. The terrorists he's buying guns from (ie giving them money they need to conduct their operations) apparently have the expressed goal of taking over The Philippines, the Philippines is a US territory (ie it's basically part of the USA, even if it's not a state, sort of like Puerto Rico or American Samoa).

Need to stop you right there, while I agree that the charge of Treason is warranted, providing weapons to a terrorist group with an intention to operate domestically does quite fully fulfill the 'giving aid to the enemy' portion of Treason, the Philippines is not US territory anymore. It declared it's Independence was granted it on July 4th, 1946.

Fair enough.

That said technically there might not be reason to go after him for treason then, which explains the lack of the charge.

If the Philippines doesn't officially have that kind of relationship with the US, technically MILF with it's mandate to overthrow the Filipino government and/or declare an independent Islamic state isn't operating on US soil. What's more there is a peace treaty of sorts in place, and it could be argued that under the circumstances MILF is actually disarming itself since it agreed to no longer maintain it's own standing military, but to have the right to dispose of it's military resources as it saw fit (this is according to the terrorist organization's heading on Wikipedia). Even if it could be proven that this funding was going to be used to buy even more guns, train terrorists, and set things up (which is possible given how these negotiated cease fires usually go) it's not a US concern.

The weapons that were being purchased were believed to be being purchased by an international criminal syndicate (La Cosa Nostra) and simply being shipped through the US on the way to Sicily and Africa (which is why "Agent 99" reassured Yee about his control of the docks). That's somewhat safer, legally speaking. Since you can't tie Yee to Chinese Intelligence (no hints of it even), and one of these weapons were (according to this) going to be used domestically as far as I understand it, he broke all kinds of laws but couldn't be considered guilty of treason per se, as much as I'd love to see it happen. Unless of course I'm forgetting something.

Sadly, I have a feeling Yee will have a big fancy showboat trial, and then actually be let go in a couple of years tops, after being held in some country club they call a prison.

MILF wasn't even directly funded by Al Queda (though it did receive indirect funding) and again, while it promotes Muslim interests through violence (and it's successes encourage more of this kind of thing), with me being wrong about the Philippines being a US territory apparently (yes I looked it up again) I can't even made a case for this.

Ah well, we'll see what happens. Let's just hope California gets someone better in his place.

Sarge034:

LysanderNemoinis:
What really won't surprise me is when he gets pardoned in a few years, serves little (if any) actual jail time, and is back with a government job in California or some other moon colony of a state within a decade. Hell, if the democrats can accept Robert Byrd (a former member of the KKK) in their party, they'll let in anybody.

(Et all)

You remember that news article that chapped your ass cheeks for demonizing all Republicans? You're doing the same thing to Democrats bud.

I'm well aware of that fact. Back in the day, I used to try and rise above such impulses and "be the bigger man," as it were. Yeah, that doesn't get anyone anywhere. It's just being the moral victor. At the end of the day, you still lose and the other side wins. So I say, whack your opponent with the biggest, hardest, and spikiest oratorical cudgel you have, as often as you can.

Therumancer:
Ah well, we'll see what happens. Let's just hope California gets someone better in his place.

Thank you. For the first time in a long time, I laughed so hard I actually began to cry a bit. Yee's replacement may not be a criminal, but this is California we're talking about. Being an politically extreme nutcase is a major job enhancer over there.

LysanderNemoinis:

Sarge034:
You remember that news article that chapped your ass cheeks for demonizing all Republicans? You're doing the same thing to Democrats bud.

I'm well aware of that fact. Back in the day, I used to try and rise above such impulses and "be the bigger man," as it were. Yeah, that doesn't get anyone anywhere. It's just being the moral victor. At the end of the day, you still lose and the other side wins. So I say, whack your opponent with the biggest, hardest, and spikiest oratorical cudgel you have, as often as you can.

So then you are simply a massive hypocrite who has no interest in actually discussing the situation? Thanks for clearing that up. I will now cease interacting with you and instead talk with those who are willing to address the situation.

Sarge034:

LysanderNemoinis:

Sarge034:
You remember that news article that chapped your ass cheeks for demonizing all Republicans? You're doing the same thing to Democrats bud.

I'm well aware of that fact. Back in the day, I used to try and rise above such impulses and "be the bigger man," as it were. Yeah, that doesn't get anyone anywhere. It's just being the moral victor. At the end of the day, you still lose and the other side wins. So I say, whack your opponent with the biggest, hardest, and spikiest oratorical cudgel you have, as often as you can.

So then you are simply a massive hypocrite who has no interest in actually discussing the situation? Thanks for clearing that up. I will now cease interacting with you and instead talk with those who are willing to address the situation.

So when a liberal paints with a broad brush (referencing the unrelated 'news' article we're mentioning) and insults people, I'm just supposed to take it and not fight back just as dirty as my political opponent is? This goes right to my point of not hamstringing oneself with being the "better person." And good luck finding more than a couple people who actually disagree with you around here. We're in a very limited supply at The Escapist. So by all means, just shut down the opposition to your view and refuse to negotiate, much like Yee would do to people who thought average citizens shouldn't be able to protect themselves from Yee's buddies. Though one major difference is that Yee's a lying, sack of criminal shit, and you're just someone who holds a different view from me.

Therumancer:
Interesting, to be honest I'm surprised Treason hasn't come up yet. The terrorists he's buying guns from (ie giving them money they need to conduct their operations) apparently have the expressed goal of taking over The Philippines, the Philippines is a US territory (ie it's basically part of the USA, even if it's not a state, sort of like Puerto Rico or American Samoa). This does mention some kind of peace treaty was brokered between the terrorists and the government, but still this MILF group (I can barely use that acronym with a straight face, sounds like a joke from a spy parody) stands for what it stands for, even if it's allegedly not actively fighting us.

Actually, the Philippines isn't an US territory. It USED to be one, officially it stopped being a territory in the 50's, although we kept an odd "unofficial US territory" thing going for awhile up until the 90's. Not part of the country, can't be charged with treason for it.

Still, considering they got written statements and phone conversations on Yee, I do not see how he is going to get out of this one.

Anyone else thinking this would be good GTA5 DLC?

And just a note about the politics at play here. Why do we have to think of everything as democrats and republicans? is that really the adjective we want to list first?
Lets be humans! People are idiots first, and then they align themselves with a major party.

TaboriHK:
This is more like the sequel to Sleeping Dogs than anything I ever would have imagined.

LysanderNemoinis:
No, we can't. The mass media covers up for them all the time, and even game journalists (really no different from the rest of the media) will almost never mention which party he belongs to and focuses most on his anti-games policies, not the fact he wants to strip Americans of legally bought guns while giving illegal guns to criminals and terrorists. But it's not hypocrisy to be anti-game and then run guns. That would be like saying you're against wearing fur but then eating meat. It would be hypocritical if it turned out he was a huge gamer. The fact he's a huge anti-gun nut is where the hypocrisy is.

He's not a hypocrite. Bigger restrictions mean bigger money. He's a good businessman. Sure, he screws all of us over, but think of the cash!

well, actually he is a hypocrite. someone denouncing violent videogames and the legal ownership of firearms turning around and getting favors from actual crime organizations and actively facilitating illegal arms deals is hypocrisy. the fact that he got money from it, doesn't change that.and given that the whole reason he got into this mess was crushing debt preventing him from running for a public office, I wouldn't call him a good businessman either. he got into a situation that was way over his head and ended up being used by people. he would've probably gotten away with it too were not our government's Agents Provocateurs there

Witty Name Here:

deathmothon:

Yeah, I'm not seeing much about this in the media. Remember, they do have a plane crash story to continue beating into the ground.

It's got me thinking about California though. They seem to take pride in upholding what is essentially one party rule for the last many decades. It's a rich, educated, and beautiful state, yet they're almost bankrupt. Right now they have 3 democratic state senators suspended over misconduct. The legislature won't even take away their pay, not even the one who has already been convicted. Maybe it's time for Cali to let the other party in a bit. The system works better when there's someone who can check and balance you. I'm not even a Republican. This same crap happens when any party rules unchecked.

Californian here.

The last thing I'd want is a single Republican ordering around this state and running it into the ground. The biggest problem our state has is mostly because we're allowed to vote on nearly -anything-, which means while we can approve a new road being built chances are people wouldn't approve of the taxes that logically should accompany it.

Still, I'd sooner keep our current system for the next few years then let the republican party take control. The party is dying out here in California, and it can't leave soon enough. Any republican commenting on the state of affairs here and screaming about "DERR HURR, OUR GUUUUUUURNZ" can kindly keep quiet if they aren't from cali itself. Many of us don't want their party's "help" and we're better off without it.

Also Californian.

How is California better off in anything? Its been run into the ground for the last, what, 20-40 years?

Business is dying and fleeing elsewhere from its double faced regulations.

The state almost dismantled 90% of our education in 2012 due to budget. I know because I had a front row seat to the drama of the teacher unions and they were crying bloody murder since the only thing that would still be left are normal schools that cut out everything beyond high school.

The income inequality is one big joke.

The water system is fubar, and the farmers are paying for it. Scratch one more industry the state can't handle.

The only thing left is Tech, and they will soon be gone too when they figure out where the greener pastures are for cheap tech majors who will do the job of qualified Californians for 1/100th of the wage.

The debt is also in the hundreds of billions.

We have the 2nd highest tax rate in the union.

We tore up our rail system, which was the best in the world 50 years ago.

We could have fixed all of this easily. There is no opposition in California. Its mostly democrat. Yet no one fixes a damn thing. The state could have been the best state in the union yet now its a state where no one gives a damn.

The fact of the matter is California is so far gone its not even funny. It doesn't matter who runs it anymore. Democrats and Republicans are the same people and do the same things for the same reasons. They don't actually care about anyone.

The first rule of politics in America is that no one is your friend, and they are only doing what they do for personal gain. Don't expect anyone to be the white knight, because white knights never existed in the first place.

Make no mistake, the illusion of the two party system is the biggest joke in history. When you take into account European political parties both American parties are far right. What would pass as center left politics in Europe would make our democrats shit themselves.

And its worth to note that the original poster said OTHER PARTY. He denied being a republican. yet you went ahead and assumed only republicans exist.

Ill go get a list of third parties. Which America doesn't care about.

green party
constitution party

Then there's these smaller guys:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States#Minor_political_parties

then there are these even these smaller guys:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States#Non-electoral_organizations

There are plenty to choose from.

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