The Future Of The MCU, Seen Through Captain America 2 Easter Eggs

The Future Of The MCU, Seen Through Captain America 2 Easter Eggs

We break down as many of the references packed into Captain America 2 as we can. It goes without saying that there are MAJOR SPOILERS galore.

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I'm really looking forward to seeing how they integrate Strange. His comics always had a very different tone from a lot of other Marvel properties, and I wonder if it would be better to keep him in a separate, magic-filled little bubble that exists in the MCU but doesn't interact with the main properties, much like how I suspect they'll treat the Heroes for Hire TV show.

For working magic into the setting, they could do worse than taking notes from Fringe. Ostensibly it's super-science, but it might as well be magic. Agents of SHIELD would probably be the best place to test the waters with that, slowly pushing the tone towards the weirder stuff and seeing how people react.

Also, though I loved the movie, I'm still wondering if any of the stand-alone films are going to explain the lack of the United Avengers. So far we've seen the President of the United States captured by a terrorist (Iron Man 3), a giant alien spaceship crash into Greenwich and start destroying the universe (Thor 2), and now seen Captain America on the run, a gun battle in the streets of Washington, and the helicarrier fight in the sky overhead a couple days later. Each time, there hasn't really been a good explanation for why the rest of the Avengers never got involved, even though either the main character should call them up or they should notice themselves that it's time for some thrilling heroics.

Thunderous Cacophony:
Also, though I loved the movie, I'm still wondering if any of the stand-alone films are going to explain the lack of the United Avengers. So far we've seen the President of the United States captured by a terrorist (Iron Man 3), a giant alien spaceship crash into Greenwich and start destroying the universe (Thor 2), and now seen Captain America on the run, a gun battle in the streets of Washington, and the helicarrier fight in the sky overhead a couple days later. Each time, there hasn't really been a good explanation for why the rest of the Avengers never got involved, even though either the main character should call them up or they should notice themselves that it's time for some thrilling heroics.

My thinking on this:

Iron Man 3 A) took place over a very short period of time, a few days at most, B) like with TWS it involved a shady conspiracy that isn't fully revealed until the end, C) Tony deliberately didn't contact anyone since he was laying low trying to figure out how to solve the matter (being Tony, he's kind of a dickish loner sometimes, the film is about him not being that anymore), D) for all we know, once the President was rescued SHIELD was brought in, but very soon after Tony and Pepper and Rhodes have the situation well in hand.

Similarly, in Thor 2, A) the big news-generating events on earth happens in a matter of hours, so not necessarily enough time for AVENGERS ASSEMBLE, especially since Thor was in THIS MUST BE SOLVED NOW mode, B) We see Thor's human friends deliberately keeping a wrap on the weird things they're seeing because they don't want SHIELD to swoop in and kick them out of their own research like in New Mexico, and C) we did see SHIELD having to do cleanup after those events on Agents of Shield.

Finally, in The Winter Soldier A) Fury told cap to Trust No One *x files music*, B) Cap really doesn't know who to trust, for real, he doesn't even trust Black Widow, C) we've already seen how he's kind of prickly with Tony, and I'm guessing because Stark Industries built the repulsor tech for all he knew Tony was in on it, D) they spend the majority of the film after discovering the conspiracy on the run, E) they can't even kidnap a scrub like Agent Sitwell without being discovered by The Winter Soldier, so why would they contact the most famous military contractor on earth, F) I'm willing to bet (just based on Agents of Shield) that they don't have a direct line to Asgard so much as Asgardian just kind of show up as needed, and G) even though Thor is on Earth, he's also in London and probably didn't even hear about this matter until it resulted in a ige, SHIELD-destroying battle, and finally F) it takes place over such a short period of time.

I knew I was missing something when Cap took on that pirate/mercenary captain. Thanks for filling me in

Those are some good points, but to counter them (because who doesn't love internet arguments):
Iron Man: Why wasn't SHIELD immediately mobilized after Tony's house got hit? You'd imagine that having the public face of the Avengers, not to mention the premier weapon designer on the planet, apparently get assassinated would cause a global response; clearly the Mandarin is someone that needs to be dealt with immediately. Pepper would have been taken into protective custody, and I don't know if there is a force on Earth that could have stopped Bruce Banner from getting angry and trying to find and rip apart the Mandarin with his bare Hulked-out hands. Similarly, having the President get kidnapped would seem like a perfect excuse to let Captain America and his team off the leash; people would expect nothing less, and Fury shows in Winter Soldier that he believes that using SHIELD and the Avengers as a public deterrent is the best option. Meanwhile, Hydra should be thinking: What better way of justifying excessive force and governmental oversight then by rescuing the President from terrorists?

Thor: It would definitely have been hard to get the Avengers assembled in time, it's true, but I have to imagine that people at SHIELD were playing phone tag with Asgardians trying to find out what sort of wierdness was going on (IIRC, there were smaller holes in space-time in the weeks leading up to the big event).

Winter Soldier: Why didn't Tony come to see the dying Fury (and offer his hyper-advanced medical tech), or Hawkeye to comfort Black Widow? There seemed to be time before things really kicked off when you imagine that they would have tried to see the main cast. Similarly, I can see Iron Man crashing through the window of the Security Council meeting room after Captain America goes on the run and explaining that, while he might be an insufferable prig, Steve Rogers is not a traitor.

It's kind of like my problem with Mass Effect 2: When the companions aren't accompanying you on a mission, they are just sitting quietly in their rooms waiting to be called, rather than taking action off-screen and making their presence felt, even when they are not the central focus. Compressed time is not an excuse that stands when anyone can get in touch with anyone else around the world easily, and SHIELD relies on being able to assemble the Avengers quickly to respond to urgent situations.

A phone call in the background of SHIELD HQ where someone tells Tony Stark that Alexander Pierce can't talk right now, or a tv in that tiny town Stark ends up in showing some footage of the Avengers trying to stop a rampaging Hulk in Mongolia; just something that makes me believe that they are characters that exist outside of their focused stories.

Midway through we find out that Arnim Zola (Toby Jones) ... is still alive as a digital construct. When his body died in the early 70s, he transferred his consciousness into a computer system housed in a secret HYDRA/SHIELD warehouse. As a living computer program, he has devoted his energies to creating an algorithm that can detect threats before they can occur, which in this case means "anyone who can harm HYDRA"

He's going to turn out to be the Clairvoyant from Agents of SHIELD isn't he, I figured it would have been Ultron but this seems more reasonable.

A couple of points:

1. SHIELD was destroyed in a similar fashion in the comics, and it didn't take. Albeit in the comics it was seeded into the universe for a while, and came to a head with "Nick Fury Vs. SHIELD". There are a number of differences, for example they didn't do anything trippy with LMDs (which have yet to be introduced), and of course they had Captain America as the central figure, which makes a degree of sense because the "Ultimates" inspired version of Nick Fury is so much weaker than the version from the comics where he is pretty much the equivalent of Captain America himself.

To be honest it surprises me Joss Whedon is playing coy, especially seeing as he's pretty much the patron god of the nerds. I'd expect him of all people to be pointing this out, and Marvel/Disney to be reprinting at least the old TPB collection so interested people who missed it can see how the original storyline played out.

That said, I personally expect that the end result is them simply going to say that Nick Fury (who had an override tied to his bad eye already) who is a guy with redundant plans for doomsday, hadn't planned well ahead to the destruction of SHIELD even if he hadn't anticipated it happening this way. I'd imagine this will be taken as an excuse for him to rebuild it from the ground up as something a bit closer to the comics, which might be useful in terms of the TV show which people complained wasn't quite wild enough.

I personally haven't seen this as being a big a deal as many others.

2. While SHIELD has referred to Thor as an alien, I've never seen any real indication in the cinematic universe that everything they do is based on technology. Quite the opposite in fact. While it's been made clear that the Asgardians
do use tech, and are far more advanced than Earth (like when Sif was using the holo-computer on The Bus), they also do seem to be using magic much like in the comics. You'll notice that nobody, including Odin, is able to stop Loki from being able to throw illusions and stuff, ditto for Lorelei's mind control powers. While some of their stuff is apparently tech, it's not like they are taking away special lipstick, or a pair of holo-projector gauntlets or whatever. It seems to be difficult for a lot of people to grasp the idea that you can have tech and magic co-existing at the same time, yet I think that's been the case, and Doctor Strange is likely to spell that out a bit more.

I'll also say that anyone who knows about "The Infinity Gauntlet" (which people are already talking about being a likely super event) should be ready for things to go well outside the realm of science fiction. I mean that storyline literally has a guy trying to get into Death's pants, Mephisto (the Devil) trying to deceive him, and a fight not only against super heroes, but against the combined metaphysical forces of reality (Lord Order, Master Chaos, etc...), followed by a one on one due with Eternity who is the manifestation of everything there is. I'd imagine the cinematic universe is prepared to go some really wild places if they are planning on that and having it even hold a candle to the original.

Personally I've been waiting for the one thing that might be even more powerful than the Infinity Gauntlet to show up... The Living Tribunal. It's been a while but I believe it refused to rule against Thanos during the Infinity Gauntlet thing (and the impression I get is that like Roma it has jurisdiction across the multiverse, not just this one paltry reality). :)

Thunderous Cacophony:
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Could be worse, at least it isn't DC where every in-universe story usually needs to come up with some contrivance for why Superman doesn't swoop in and solve the situation in under 5 min.

Therumancer:

2. While SHIELD has referred to Thor as an alien, I've never seen any real indication in the cinematic universe that everything they do is based on technology. Quite the opposite in fact. While it's been made clear that the Asgardians
do use tech, and are far more advanced than Earth (like when Sif was using the holo-computer on The Bus), they also do seem to be using magic much like in the comics. You'll notice that nobody, including Odin, is able to stop Loki from being able to throw illusions and stuff, ditto for Lorelei's mind control powers. While some of their stuff is apparently tech, it's not like they are taking away special lipstick, or a pair of holo-projector gauntlets or whatever. It seems to be difficult for a lot of people to grasp the idea that you can have tech and magic co-existing at the same time, yet I think that's been the case, and Doctor Strange is likely to spell that out a bit more.

You have a good point - I simply meant that so far, Thor has been treated like that. He does, I admit, say IIRC that on Asgard science and magic are the same thing, though that is quite ambiguous. I'm willing to bet that things are about to get very weird and very far past just science fiction, and as you suggest, I agree we'll see Asgard's magic being more explicitly beyond science.

CriticalMiss:

Midway through we find out that Arnim Zola (Toby Jones) ... is still alive as a digital construct. When his body died in the early 70s, he transferred his consciousness into a computer system housed in a secret HYDRA/SHIELD warehouse. As a living computer program, he has devoted his energies to creating an algorithm that can detect threats before they can occur, which in this case means "anyone who can harm HYDRA"

He's going to turn out to be the Clairvoyant from Agents of SHIELD isn't he, I figured it would have been Ultron but this seems more reasonable.

That is the most obvious and internally consistent thing that could possibly happen. Which is why Agents of SHIELD won't do it. It'll probably turn out to be Agent Hand, who won't even mention Zola and will turn out to be yet another mole within shield operating independently of HYDRA. Gah Agents of SHIELD can be frustratingly dumb sometimes.

Hopefully tonight I'll turn out to have been wrong, and they'll do the smart thing. But I don't think the show would be willing to pay for Toby Jones.

Slycne:

Thunderous Cacophony:
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Could be worse, at least it isn't DC where every in-universe story usually needs to come up with some contrivance for why Superman doesn't swoop in and solve the situation in under 5 min.

Truth, though in fairness, given that Superman is invulnerable and also can fly waaay past the speed of sound, it needs to be dealt with.

Thunderous Cacophony:

Winter Soldier: Why didn't Tony come to see the dying Fury (and offer his hyper-advanced medical tech), or Hawkeye to comfort Black Widow? There seemed to be time before things really kicked off when you imagine that they would have tried to see the main cast. Similarly, I can see Iron Man crashing through the window of the Security Council meeting room after Captain America goes on the run and explaining that, while he might be an insufferable prig, Steve Rogers is not a traitor.

Good points, but regarding this specific point, I think the fact that SHIELD/HYDRA was absolutely doing their best to keep this under wraps counts. Remember that they successfully cut off Nick Fury from contacting anyone right after he called Agent Hill - likely she and he had a previously-agreed upon meeting place/contingency plan in place for just such an event. Meanwhile, remember when they had captured Cap and Black Widow, and Rumlow stopped SHIELD/HYDRA agents from summarily executing them because they noticed people watching? I'm guessing the last thing they wanted to do is publicly brand Steve a traitor, considering how the public might react. Most likely the explanation was intended to be some after the fact nonsense about Rogers dying in service to his country, that kind of thing.

RossaLincoln:
But I don't think the show would be willing to pay for Toby Jones.

They'll probably just limit any actual appearance of him to a few scenes rather than have him show up for anything meaningful. He's already been communicating through other people so there isn't much reason to stop and if he is a computer then they probably don't need an actor or even his voice at all, just have a heavily augmented voice from someone who sounds similar.

RossaLincoln:

Thunderous Cacophony:

Winter Soldier: Why didn't Tony come to see the dying Fury (and offer his hyper-advanced medical tech), or Hawkeye to comfort Black Widow? There seemed to be time before things really kicked off when you imagine that they would have tried to see the main cast. Similarly, I can see Iron Man crashing through the window of the Security Council meeting room after Captain America goes on the run and explaining that, while he might be an insufferable prig, Steve Rogers is not a traitor.

Good points, but regarding this specific point, I think the fact that SHIELD/HYDRA was absolutely doing their best to keep this under wraps counts. Remember that they successfully cut off Nick Fury from contacting anyone right after he called Agent Hill - likely she and he had a previously-agreed upon meeting place/contingency plan in place for just such an event. Meanwhile, remember when they had captured Cap and Black Widow, and Rumlow stopped SHIELD/HYDRA agents from summarily executing them because they noticed people watching? I'm guessing the last thing they wanted to do is publicly brand Steve a traitor, considering how the public might react. Most likely the explanation was intended to be some after the fact nonsense about Rogers dying in service to his country, that kind of thing.

Sure, they were trying to keep it under wraps from the public, but Pierce announced to SHIELD HQ that they were going after Rogers because he was withholding information. At least within the organization, it seems to be fairly wide-spread knowledge (aside from the people in that room, there are those in the lobby who saw him fall out of the elevator, and anyone on a strike team going to capture him needs to know that Captain America and Black Widow are the targets, not allies). Even if they didn't send Stark an e-mail, I would think that odds are 1) a friend he has in SHIELD would mention it to him, as this is a huge deal and it's clear that there were people opposed to hunting Rogers like a criminal, or 2) given his trust issue and... loose grasp on what sort of computers and information he should be accessing, that he has the equivalent of an RSS feed that lets him know when major things are going on inside SHIELD.

I don't doubt they had a plan about hiding the truth of what was going on from the public, I just don't see how they would hide it from Tony Stark, who seems to be working closely with SHIELD since Iron Man 3.

Baron Von Strucker:
This is the age of miracles mutants, doctor. There's nothing more horrifying than a miracle mutant.

I like how they got around the M word.

Thunderous Cacophony:

Those are some good points, but to counter them (because who doesn't love internet arguments):
Iron Man: Why wasn't SHIELD immediately mobilized after Tony's house got hit? You'd imagine that having the public face of the Avengers, not to mention the premier weapon designer on the planet, apparently get assassinated would cause a global response; clearly the Mandarin is someone that needs to be dealt with immediately. Pepper would have been taken into protective custody, and I don't know if there is a force on Earth that could have stopped Bruce Banner from getting angry and trying to find and rip apart the Mandarin with his bare Hulked-out hands. Similarly, having the President get kidnapped would seem like a perfect excuse to let Captain America and his team off the leash; people would expect nothing less, and Fury shows in Winter Soldier that he believes that using SHIELD and the Avengers as a public deterrent is the best option. Meanwhile, Hydra should be thinking: What better way of justifying excessive force and governmental oversight then by rescuing the President from terrorists?

Thor: It would definitely have been hard to get the Avengers assembled in time, it's true, but I have to imagine that people at SHIELD were playing phone tag with Asgardians trying to find out what sort of wierdness was going on (IIRC, there were smaller holes in space-time in the weeks leading up to the big event).

Winter Soldier: Why didn't Tony come to see the dying Fury (and offer his hyper-advanced medical tech), or Hawkeye to comfort Black Widow? There seemed to be time before things really kicked off when you imagine that they would have tried to see the main cast. Similarly, I can see Iron Man crashing through the window of the Security Council meeting room after Captain America goes on the run and explaining that, while he might be an insufferable prig, Steve Rogers is not a traitor.

It's kind of like my problem with Mass Effect 2: When the companions aren't accompanying you on a mission, they are just sitting quietly in their rooms waiting to be called, rather than taking action off-screen and making their presence felt, even when they are not the central focus. Compressed time is not an excuse that stands when anyone can get in touch with anyone else around the world easily, and SHIELD relies on being able to assemble the Avengers quickly to respond to urgent situations.

A phone call in the background of SHIELD HQ where someone tells Tony Stark that Alexander Pierce can't talk right now, or a tv in that tiny town Stark ends up in showing some footage of the Avengers trying to stop a rampaging Hulk in Mongolia; just something that makes me believe that they are characters that exist outside of their focused stories.

To be fair, in Mass Effect 2 it is shown that they are working on the Normandy... Mordin is designing a counter for the collectors technology, Garrus is calibrating and Miranda is pushing papers. Other than Jack and Grunt, there is no one that is likely looking at the floor, wondering angstly why Shepard never picks them for his team.

OT: Those are some good points, but I think many of them could be debunked easily.

Thor would not be involved because capturing Captain America would seem like small potatoes for him, and we have to assume SHIELD is not interested on his involvement (given than they are, in a way, the bad guys) or have no mean to command him once he gets here. Stark would be informed of the existence of the Hellicarriers, but given his involvement we can assume he is in the dark about their true propose, and is unwilling/unprepared to take part by the time all hell breaks loose, since he doesn't even know he is a target (the actual battle is rather short, and its implied that Stark is no longer Iron man by the end of 3, something he will surely remedy by the beginning of Avengers 2). Banner/Hulk is a force of nature and can't be relied to execute a revenge about anyone but his closest friends (or target anyone other than who he has in front of him). Besides, all we know about him is that he is off the radar since Avengers, so he could be in a shanty town in South Africa and only heard about it from glimpses of news, after the events. Something like a shot-out to Black Widow being informed that "Other agents were notified about Fury. Barton says he is coming to see him when he finishes his assignment in [undisclosed]" could have helped, since I think his absence is the most glaring.

In the end, this is a common problem with a universe that wants to pretend all heroes exist and are in contact with each other, but they are still capable of handling situations in their neighborhood on their own, even when they up the stakes in ways that would make other characters more capable (so, a terrorist organization known by Firestorm is threatening to blow up Manhattan? Too bad we don't know someone that can fly and can see through buildings to find the bomb fast enough... Or how about an alien invasion starting up in Gotham? Too bad we don't know a group of super powered creatures that deal with alien threats like most cops deal with vandalism. Some sort of alien police corp). In Marvel this is even worst because 99 % of the heroes have their HQ in the same city most threats start.

Of all the movies, I think the worst is probably Iron man 3 because one would think the president being kidnapped by a terrorist organization would be right on SHIELD's alley. Specially when it took Tony Stark a hood, a battery and some cables to infiltrate their secret base, so its not like Captain America and Black Widow would be unqualified. Also, there are supposed to pass weeks between the events of the movie, so its not like Tony Stark is the only one that could be making plans to deal with the Mandarin.

I dont mean to be a douche, because I really enjoyed reading this, but didn't this all start with Hulk, not Iron Man?

Mr Ink 5000:
I dont mean to be a douche, because I really enjoyed reading this, but didn't this all start with Hulk, not Iron Man?

EDIT: also don't worry, not at all douchey. Fun question, in fact.

The Eric Bana/Ang Lee Hulk from 2003 doesn't count because it was a different studio, as Marvel didn't have the rights all to itself. After the rights reverted fully to Marvel, they produced the 2008 film as a reboot to bring the hulk into the same continuity as Iron Man.

Note that the 2008 film even gives hulk a different origin: In the 2003 film, it was blah blah DNA research blah blah boosted immune systems and strength for soldiers blah blah Bruce had been experimented on as a child. Convoluted nonsense really. In the 2008 film, it's expressly stated that the military was conducting research into the super soldier serum that produced Captain America back in the 40s, but had lied to Bruce Banner about it (telling him that it was research into helping create immunity to gamma radiation poisoning), and thus caused his accident that creates his hulking problem.

Also, Iron Man came out in April, 2008. The Incredible Hulk came out in June, 2008.

Sidenote: I remain convinced that the reason TIH underperformed is that it came out far too soon after Iron Man. Had they waited until Fall, or the following spring, there would have been more time to prime the audience for the idea of shared continuity. And we'd be guaranteed Planet Hulk, which I WANT SO BADLY.

medv4380:

Baron Von Strucker:
This is the age of miracles mutants, doctor. There's nothing more horrifying than a miracle mutant.

I like how they got around the M word.

I agree. But now of course this means The Watcher is going to be St. John of Patmos. J/k

CriticalMiss:

Midway through we find out that Arnim Zola (Toby Jones) ... is still alive as a digital construct. When his body died in the early 70s, he transferred his consciousness into a computer system housed in a secret HYDRA/SHIELD warehouse. As a living computer program, he has devoted his energies to creating an algorithm that can detect threats before they can occur, which in this case means "anyone who can harm HYDRA"

He's going to turn out to be the Clairvoyant from Agents of SHIELD isn't he, I figured it would have been Ultron but this seems more reasonable.

That was pretty much what i thought when he told his story in the movie but like ross said will they do the sensible thing in AoS or do the dumb thing it's 50/50.

RossaLincoln:

Mr Ink 5000:
I dont mean to be a douche, because I really enjoyed reading this, but didn't this all start with Hulk, not Iron Man?

EDIT: also don't worry, not at all douchey. Fun question, in fact.

The Eric Bana/Ang Lee Hulk from 2003 doesn't count because it was a different studio, as Marvel didn't have the rights all to itself. After the rights reverted fully to Marvel, they produced the 2008 film as a reboot to bring the hulk into the same continuity as Iron Man.

Note that the 2008 film even gives hulk a different origin: In the 2003 film, it was blah blah DNA research blah blah boosted immune systems and strength for soldiers blah blah Bruce had been experimented on as a child. Convoluted nonsense really. In the 2008 film, it's expressly stated that the military was conducting research into the super soldier serum that produced Captain America back in the 40s, but had lied to Bruce Banner about it (telling him that it was research into helping create immunity to gamma radiation poisoning), and thus caused his accident that creates his hulking problem.

Also, Iron Man came out in April, 2008. The Incredible Hulk came out in June, 2008.

Sidenote: I remain convinced that the reason TIH underperformed is that it came out far too soon after Iron Man. Had they waited until Fall, or the following spring, there would have been more time to prime the audience for the idea of shared continuity. And we'd be guaranteed Planet Hulk, which I WANT SO BADLY.

oh god, no, I never meant the Ang Lee Hulk. sorry yes the incredible hulk. always thought Incredible Hulk came first.
I think another standalone Hulk is likely with how popular he is after avengers, although I guess how well Guardians does depends on whether the risk of a Planet Hulk is worth it for Disney

Mr Ink 5000:

I think another standalone Hulk is likely with how popular he is after avengers, although I guess how well Guardians does depends on whether the risk of a Planet Hulk is worth it for Disney

Here's hoping it's as awesome as it looks.

Darth Sea Bass:

CriticalMiss:

Midway through we find out that Arnim Zola (Toby Jones) ... is still alive as a digital construct. When his body died in the early 70s, he transferred his consciousness into a computer system housed in a secret HYDRA/SHIELD warehouse. As a living computer program, he has devoted his energies to creating an algorithm that can detect threats before they can occur, which in this case means "anyone who can harm HYDRA"

He's going to turn out to be the Clairvoyant from Agents of SHIELD isn't he, I figured it would have been Ultron but this seems more reasonable.

That was pretty much what i thought when he told his story in the movie but like ross said will they do the sensible thing in AoS or do the dumb thing it's 50/50.

Well, not to spoil anything from the latest episode, but it's still a possibility.

RossaLincoln:
Sidenote: I remain convinced that the reason TIH underperformed is that it came out far too soon after Iron Man. Had they waited until Fall, or the following spring, there would have been more time to prime the audience for the idea of shared continuity. And we'd be guaranteed Planet Hulk, which I WANT SO BADLY.

Do you really think Planet Hulk is the one they'd choose to make? The more likely option to me is a modified World War Hulk (where he just decides to punch every hero, which should probably wait until they have a bigger roster of heroes), especially if the Days of Future Past movie sets up the idea of parallel universes in a good way for regular audiences to understand(that the MCU can steal). Planet Hulk is a little far out there.

I think Bob missed the major importance of Loki's staff in the stinger. Notice that you can barely see the staff itself. It's very dim, almost overwelmed by the glow coming from the gem in its head. The big blue egg shaped gem... that let Loki somehow control minds... like some sort of "Mind Gem". That gem is one of the 6 Infinity Gems. The Mind Gem. (oh and that mention of Stephen Strange. Anyone want to bet that is our first clue that the "Eye of Agamotto" is the Soul Gem? The Cube is the Space Gem, the Aether is the Power Gem. Chances are the Round sphere the Guardians of the Galaxy are after is the Time gem. leaving the Reality Gem as the central McGuffin of Avengers 3.) So most of the pieces are quietly on the board for Phase 3. (plus the presence of the Mind Gem in SHIELD explains why Fury was willing to let Thor take the Cube.)

My take on Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch, Strucker pretty much outright says, or strongly implies that they are not "Mutants" per se. (nor are they his children) They were made to be what they are. They are the ultimate evolution of the Red Skull and Zola's experiments. The final end point of the Super Soldier program. (Which oddly kind of appropriates Jessica Drew Spider-Womans origins. I wonder if we might not see her at some point?)

Darth Sea Bass:

CriticalMiss:

Midway through we find out that Arnim Zola (Toby Jones) ... is still alive as a digital construct. When his body died in the early 70s, he transferred his consciousness into a computer system housed in a secret HYDRA/SHIELD warehouse. As a living computer program, he has devoted his energies to creating an algorithm that can detect threats before they can occur, which in this case means "anyone who can harm HYDRA"

He's going to turn out to be the Clairvoyant from Agents of SHIELD isn't he, I figured it would have been Ultron but this seems more reasonable.

That was pretty much what i thought when he told his story in the movie but like ross said will they do the sensible thing in AoS or do the dumb thing it's 50/50.

I don't think Zola is the Clairvoyant per se.

faefrost:
I think Bob missed the major importance of Loki's staff in the stinger. Notice that you can barely see the staff itself. It's very dim, almost overwelmed by the glow coming from the gem in its head. The big blue egg shaped gem... that let Loki somehow control minds... like some sort of "Mind Gem". That gem is one of the 6 Infinity Gems. The Mind Gem. (oh and that mention of Stephen Strange. Anyone want to bet that is our first clue that the "Eye of Agamotto" is the Soul Gem? The Cube is the Space Gem, the Aether is the Power Gem. Chances are the Round sphere the Guardians of the Galaxy are after is the Time gem. leaving the Reality Gem as the central McGuffin of Avengers 3.) So most of the pieces are quietly on the board for Phase 3. (plus the presence of the Mind Gem in SHIELD explains why Fury was willing to let Thor take the Cube.)

My take on Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch, Strucker pretty much outright says, or strongly implies that they are not "Mutants" per se. (nor are they his children) They were made to be what they are. They are the ultimate evolution of the Red Skull and Zola's experiments. The final end point of the Super Soldier program. (Which oddly kind of appropriates Jessica Drew Spider-Womans origins. I wonder if we might not see her at some point?)

So yeah, this sounds... exceptionally plausible. My thinking is that the Asgardians wouldn't just leave an infinity gem behind, but if it's the mind gem, then they might not have been thinking about it. In any case, well done. Now I need to retire, but first pretend all of this occurred to me first.

RossaLincoln:

medv4380:

Baron Von Strucker:
This is the age of miracles mutants, doctor. There's nothing more horrifying than a miracle mutant.

I like how they got around the M word.

I agree. But now of course this means The Watcher is going to be St. John of Patmos. J/k

RossaLincoln:

Mr Ink 5000:
I dont mean to be a douche, because I really enjoyed reading this, but didn't this all start with Hulk, not Iron Man?

EDIT: also don't worry, not at all douchey. Fun question, in fact.

The Eric Bana/Ang Lee Hulk from 2003 doesn't count because it was a different studio, as Marvel didn't have the rights all to itself. After the rights reverted fully to Marvel, they produced the 2008 film as a reboot to bring the hulk into the same continuity as Iron Man.

Note that the 2008 film even gives hulk a different origin: In the 2003 film, it was blah blah DNA research blah blah boosted immune systems and strength for soldiers blah blah Bruce had been experimented on as a child. Convoluted nonsense really. In the 2008 film, it's expressly stated that the military was conducting research into the super soldier serum that produced Captain America back in the 40s, but had lied to Bruce Banner about it (telling him that it was research into helping create immunity to gamma radiation poisoning), and thus caused his accident that creates his hulking problem.

Also, Iron Man came out in April, 2008. The Incredible Hulk came out in June, 2008.

Sidenote: I remain convinced that the reason TIH underperformed is that it came out far too soon after Iron Man. Had they waited until Fall, or the following spring, there would have been more time to prime the audience for the idea of shared continuity. And we'd be guaranteed Planet Hulk, which I WANT SO BADLY.

All of it actually began with the end credits of Iron Man when Nick Fury stepped out of the shadows. That was the first time we got hit in the face that the full Marvel Universe was becoming a reality. Incredible Hulk did a huge amount of cameo and Easter egg world building. It is probably only second to Winter Soldier for that. As Easter eggs and background it introduced Project Rebirth and tied the Hulk's origins to captain America and the Super Soldier program. (OK technically the Incredible Hulk really just took most of this stuff as given from the Marvel "Ultimate" universe.)

The one interesting quirk with the Hulk's backstory in the movie. They blew off the Ang Lee movie completely, and instead referenced the Bill Bixby / Lou Ferigno origin from the 70's TV series. (queue slow walking away music). Which amazingly, fits in perfectly with someone researching the Super Soldier formula. Back in the 70's Bill Bixby Banner was researching adrenaline derived super strength when he tried it on himself and things went wrong.

OK. I'm kinda OCD about stuff like this but:

There is a semi-secret organization the has a huge building built specifically for it in the middle of Washington DC, that apparently includes an underground hanger that is able to hold 3 flying aircraft carriers (not to mention the fabrication facilities to build the damm things) employing god-knows how many people.

My question is- Where does/did SHIELD get its funding from? I'm not an economics major or anything, but geez I have to imagine it would take 1/2 of the world GDP AT LEAST.

On a side note, no Australian would ever truly trust a man named Alexander_Pierce, even if it is spelt differently in the movie.

Also is there anyone even remotely interested in Cap who doesn't know the identity of the Winter Soldier? I expected it to actually be some kind of fake out, but no it is what everyone knew it to be. I remember when there were three characters who would always stay dead in comics, Bucky, Jason Todd and Uncle Ben, now only Uncle Ben remains.

faefrost:

Well, not to spoil anything from the latest episode, but it's still a possibility.

You know what? I just finished tonight's AOS episode. I hate to admit it, but I really liked it. I kind of loved the way it tied directly into the events of TWS, but more importantly

OK that gravestone really cracked me up. Pure genius. Should have paid more attention in the cinema.

It's kind of weird that Cap's list of stuff to catch up on includes "Sherlock" (I'm pretty sure that's what the top one says) since Benedict Cumberbatch is now playing a character in the MCU. Does this universe's version of Sherlock have a different person playing Sherlock?

Does this mean "Sean Connery" is going to be in something (since he's also on that list) because that would be great!

...I might be overthinking this just a little bit...

 

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