Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Review - Episode 17: Turn, Turn, Turn

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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Review - Episode 17: Turn, Turn, Turn

The release of Captain America: The Winter Soldier now gives the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. the opportunity to unveil its biggest bombshell yet.

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Thanks for the heads up.

I just wish the episode had spoiler tags as well.

But a bombshell it was.

Pretty sure the bullets he shot hand with are coated in the same stuff they used to fake Fury's death in in CA: TWS. Coulson pulled him aside right before he volunteered to go to the fridge and he made a big show of even ejecting the (presumably real) bullets from his gun before firing, including the one in the chamber.

This was the first episode where I've ever gone "That was good." Not like "Oh yeah, that was okay." or "Had some good moments, but..." it was just overall a good episode, and I'm really excited to see where it's going from here on out.

I'm super excited to see Patton Oswalt next week, I've been wanting him in the MCU for a while now, and I'm glad that he's an actual character and not one made up for the show. (the first thing he did when he got his character name was Google if the character was actually MODOK and if MODOK was the Clairvoyant. So Bob, Patton had the same theory you did lol)

WHY DIDN'T HE SAY IT!?!? That's gonna drive me nuts all week.

But yeah. All we can do now is wait until next week for the big two hour event...which I think means they're just showing us two episodes in a row.

So Bob, are you going to do two separate articles for each one, or just one big column that goes over both episodes?

Strain42:
This was the first episode where I've ever gone "That was good." Not like "Oh yeah, that was okay." or "Had some good moments, but..." it was just overall a good episode, and I'm really excited to see where it's going from here on out.

I'm super excited to see Patton Oswalt next week, I've been wanting him in the MCU for a while now, and I'm glad that he's an actual character and not one made up for the show. (the first thing he did when he got his character name was Google if the character was actually MODOK and if MODOK was the Clairvoyant. So Bob, Patton had the same theory you did lol)

WHY DIDN'T HE SAY IT!?!? That's gonna drive me nuts all week.

But yeah. All we can do now is wait until next week for the big two hour event...which I think means they're just showing us two episodes in a row.

So Bob, are you going to do two separate articles for each one, or just one big column that goes over both episodes?

the first episode will just be a rerun of this week's episode, the second will be the new one.

also I had the same theory that coulson told ward to fake join hydra, but I really am not sure, all these plot twists make my brain hurt. I am really glad I watched TWS last weekend so I knew what was going on this week.

And AoS reaches a new series low in the ratings and dropping below 5 million viewers for the first time.

And for the first time I don't think the show deserves it, this episode was good but I guess with the last cliff-hangers payoff disappointing not many bothered to see if this one would be better.

thetoddo:
Pretty sure the bullets he shot hand with are coated in the same stuff they used to fake Fury's death in in CA: TWS. Coulson pulled him aside right before he volunteered to go to the fridge and he made a big show of even ejecting the (presumably real) bullets from his gun before firing, including the one in the chamber.

Fury was really shot by TWS, it was during the surgery they injected him with the heart-stopping stuff to fake his death. They wanted the WS (and Hydra) to think he had taken out his target. He still had the injuries when he shows up later.

jabrwock:

thetoddo:
Pretty sure the bullets he shot hand with are coated in the same stuff they used to fake Fury's death in in CA: TWS. Coulson pulled him aside right before he volunteered to go to the fridge and he made a big show of even ejecting the (presumably real) bullets from his gun before firing, including the one in the chamber.

Fury was really shot by TWS, it was during the surgery they injected him with the heart-stopping stuff to fake his death. They wanted the WS (and Hydra) to think he had taken out his target. He still had the injuries when he shows up later.

That doctor even makes a point of listing off his numerous injuries, including spinal damage and a perforated lung.

OT: I really liked the episode, and still hold out hope that Zola (or someone else higher up) is actually the Clairvoyant; Garrett is a decent mole, but he's just not smart enough to be the mastermind. Heck, maybe the Clairvoyant is actually someone like M.O.D.O.K. or The Grandmaster; after all, I doubt Zola stayed in that ancient computer willingly.

So here's the question, is Garrett the Clairvoyant? Or was he programmed to *think* he was? Is he another red herring?

Not saying they weren't real bullets, but they never said how much of that stuff you need in you to get the heart arresting effects. Would have been a desperate plan, but I can't imagine Coulson letting the clairvoyant just rot in a cell without even an interrogation.

jabrwock:
So here's the question, is Garrett the Clairvoyant? Or was he programmed to *think* he was? Is he another red herring?

I'm fairly sure it's Zola, and given that the "self-rewriting encryption" flash drive was plugged into public computers in Winter Soldier I'm willing to bet Zola managed to jailbreak himself and move to the internet. He may end up being Ultron.

capcha: Take Live TV Anywhere- Well Zola IS a living TV, so I think he's on to me... tell my wife I love h

In response to everyone talking about the drug that Fury was injected with, I have a theory that he actually died and was injected with another sample of the healing serum already used on skye and coulson. Fury was up and moving pretty well way too soon after those injuries, also I get the feeling his eye was healing and that is why the retinal scan worked on his bad eye. He wouldn't have told cap or Black widow since that could give them suspicions about coulson and then they would know that he was actually alive.

thetoddo:
Not saying they weren't real bullets, but they never said how much of that stuff you need in you to get the heart arresting effects. Would have been a desperate plan, but I can't imagine Coulson letting the clairvoyant just rot in a cell without even an interrogation.

Except that implies that TWS was in on Fury's plan to fake his own death.

Remember this is the Fury who gave himself TWO retinal accounts in case the main one was compromised. It wouldn't surprise me if he had a few trusted agents on the medical staff who had contingency plans in case the Director was gunned down. If he's been shot, something serious is going on, and it's better to disappear in plain sight.

jabrwock:
So here's the question, is Garrett the Clairvoyant? Or was he programmed to *think* he was? Is he another red herring?

I am pretty sure "The Clairvoyant" is a made up figure and that it was just a cover for HYDRA agents within SHIELD

jab136:
I get the feeling his eye was healing and that is why the retinal scan worked on his bad eye.

I assumed he had two accounts, one matching his regular eye, and one matching his damaged one. That's why they didn't shut the 2nd one down, they didn't know it was his, because he never used it.

jabrwock:

thetoddo:
Not saying they weren't real bullets, but they never said how much of that stuff you need in you to get the heart arresting effects. Would have been a desperate plan, but I can't imagine Coulson letting the clairvoyant just rot in a cell without even an interrogation.

Except that implies that TWS was in on Fury's plan to fake his own death.

Remember this is the Fury who gave himself TWO retinal accounts in case the main one was compromised. It wouldn't surprise me if he had a few trusted agents on the medical staff who had contingency plans in case the Director was gunned down. If he's been shot, something serious is going on, and it's better to disappear in plain sight.

I'm not implying Bucky had coated or I.V. bullets, not sure where that's coming from. I'm saying that Ward completely changed out his ammo before firing and Coulson pulled him aside for a conversation the audience didn't hear just before Ward decided to go to the Fridge. I'm almost positive we're going to see that convo and it'll be Coulson explaining the plan after we have a couple episodes of thinking Ward is a traitor.

The best part about this episode was that I watched it at 5am yesterday on Hulu because they goofed and leaked it (without the "must have cable subscription" lockout that's normally on there).

Personally, one of my bugbears about comics is coming true in the MCU: no one ever stays dead. So I really hope Victoria Hand didn't just pull another fakeout. As cool as the character was and could be in the future, someone needs to freaking die and stay dead.

I think we're probably going to get SHIELD put back together, just not as the all-powerful bureaucratic entity it once was. It's probably going to become like the Howling Commandos were in WWII, an independent outfit that does what needs to be done against a dangerous subset of foes. That said, it's fairly obvious they're setting up for a long game here, there's so much more that I could see happening.

I think agent Coulson was originally a Hydra agent which director fury found out and why he brought him back to life to interrogate him and subsequently erase his memories and change his loyalties.

That is why the Clairvoyant, which I think it's the person with access to the algorithm Zola developed, needs to find out where Coulson stands now so it could better calculate the future as Coulson being an unknown is an anomaly to the algorithm's programming.

After scanning Coulson's brain the Clairvoyant found out that Hydra's secret is in danger and that Fury knows too much so he makes the first move by preemptive striking shield which brings us the captain america 2 and the story so far.

Oh boy...

Oh god - Ward's turn at the end? His allegiance is so much up in the air right now. Is he infiltrating HYDRA? Is he really turning? Oh gods

This was a great episode, in my esteemed opinion. Good tie-ins with the movie, lots of twists and turns, even if some were a bit obvious after a while, and some nice action scenes.

Also, this is a little thing, but I LOVED the replacement of the SHIELD logo at the end of the episode with the HYDRA logo. Nice touch.

Well if there is one thing that this episode proves, its that it isn't NCIS with aliens anymore.

It could just be one too many twists and betrayals in such a short time, but I'm having trouble reconciling the clairvoyant with hydra. Killer cyborgs and supervillains are classics from the comics, but TWS's hydra seemed slower, more methodical, and still seemed to be trying to hold on to public legitimacy via "for the good of everyone" bit. I suppose there's Strucker's branch, but cyborgs and resurrection serums seems a bit out of Zola and Pierce's purview. Hydra's infiltration seemed thorough enough that I find it hard to think they had much information they didn't have access to or couldn't be gathered by Zola so why bother with the side prizes when ultimate victory was about to be achieved and the little pieces could be picked up at leisure?

It makes nice action, but for now, the goals don't seem congruent.

ExtraDebit:
I think agent Coulson was originally a Hydra agent which director fury found out and why he brought him back to life to interrogate him and subsequently erase his memories and change his loyalties.

That is why the Clairvoyant, which I think it's the person with access to the algorithm Zola developed, needs to find out where Coulson stands now so it could better calculate the future as Coulson being an unknown is an anomaly to the algorithm's programming.

After scanning Coulson's brain the Clairvoyant found out that Hydra's secret is in danger and that Fury knows too much so he makes the first move by preemptive striking shield which brings us the captain america 2 and the story so far.

Interesting theory, but Coulson's post-resurrection life has been much longer than Fury's suspicions of betrayal from within Shield. Coulson was only out of commission a relatively short while since Avengers, but Fury only caught on to Hydra's movements briefly before being attacked during the events of Winter Soldier.

thetoddo:
I'm not implying Bucky had coated or I.V. bullets, not sure where that's coming from. I'm saying that Ward completely changed out his ammo before firing and Coulson pulled him aside for a conversation the audience didn't hear just before Ward decided to go to the Fridge. I'm almost positive we're going to see that convo and it'll be Coulson explaining the plan after we have a couple episodes of thinking Ward is a traitor.

Ok, except now Hand's bleeding out, with no medical team, and Garrett does... what? Watch while Ward patches up a dead body in prep to dispose of it? That makes no sense. These bullets don't seal the wound on the way through. And you need more than a trace amount of GH### to heal a shot to the gut, Skye demonstrated that.

Remember Ward acted out of character when he shot Clairvoyant Decoy #1. Wouldn't it make more sense that he was operating under orders from Garrett to ensure that he wouldn't be found out? I mean granted it didn't work very well...

Ward may be deep in cover, but he's burning a hell of a lot of bridges to do it.

As soon as it was revealed Hand wasn't with Hydra I knew she was going to die. Such a shame. :(

jabrwock:

thetoddo:
I'm not implying Bucky had coated or I.V. bullets, not sure where that's coming from. I'm saying that Ward completely changed out his ammo before firing and Coulson pulled him aside for a conversation the audience didn't hear just before Ward decided to go to the Fridge. I'm almost positive we're going to see that convo and it'll be Coulson explaining the plan after we have a couple episodes of thinking Ward is a traitor.

Ok, except now Hand's bleeding out, with no medical team, and Garrett does... what? Watch while Ward patches up a dead body in prep to dispose of it? That makes no sense. These bullets don't seal the wound on the way through. And you need more than a trace amount of GH### to heal a shot to the gut, Skye demonstrated that.

Remember Ward acted out of character when he shot Clairvoyant Decoy #1. Wouldn't it make more sense that he was operating under orders from Garrett to ensure that he wouldn't be found out? I mean granted it didn't work very well...

Ward may be deep in cover, but he's burning a hell of a lot of bridges to do it.

Ward's supposed to be second best only to Black Widow when it comes to combat, pretty sure he can put a bullet somewhere that looks bad but isn't actually fatal, especially considering none of the three were moving targets. He had time to pick his shots and Hand (who being a Level 8 Agent can probably handle herself in a fight even when surprised) took no offensive or defensive action. Plus Hand invited him to take the shot, a nice bit of drama but I can't IMAGINE she'd let Ward actually kill the best intelligence asset they have in terms of actually hunting other Hydra cells, that'd be insane.

I could be way off base, and honestly I hope I am cause this it clumsily done. I think Coulson set this up so that they could see where/who Garrett runs to. If Ward went off-script and actually killed Hand and the other two agents (I don't think Coulson would give the order to kill her) then it gets Ward off the show for going too far and keeps the door open for him to come back as a guest star or eventual villain.

thetoddo:
Ward's supposed to be second best only to Black Widow when it comes to combat, pretty sure he can put a bullet somewhere that looks bad but isn't actually fatal, especially considering none of the three were moving targets. He had time to pick his shots and Hand (who being a Level 8 Agent can probably handle herself in a fight even when surprised) took no offensive or defensive action. Plus Hand invited him to take the shot, a nice bit of drama but I can't IMAGINE she'd let Ward actually kill the best intelligence asset they have in terms of actually hunting other Hydra cells, that'd be insane.

I could be way off base, and honestly I hope I am cause this it clumsily done. I think Coulson set this up so that they could see where/who Garrett runs to. If Ward went off-script and actually killed Hand and the other two agents (I don't think Coulson would give the order to kill her) then it gets Ward off the show for going too far and keeps the door open for him to come back as a guest star or eventual villain.

I agree it was a clumsy setup, either way. I guess we'll see how it works out. The setup was a clumsy attempt to give him an opportunity to reveal himself as a traitor, and it was a clumsy (and costly) way to fake his way into Garrett's trust as well...

jabrwock:
So here's the question, is Garrett the Clairvoyant? Or was he programmed to *think* he was? Is he another red herring?

At this point, I think the Clairvoyant is just a red herring, in the sense he/she is not really a person, but a title. A pseudonym used by HYDRA agents to refer to sleeping agents that used the leaked information they got from accessing highly classified files.
Under that assumption, there are dozens (or hundreds) of candidate clairvoyants, including Garrett, Zola and Sitwell. It would also go well with the idea that you can't just kill the Clairvoyant, the same way you can't destroy HYDRA; you just kill one and another one takes his place.

thetoddo:

jabrwock:

thetoddo:
I'm not implying Bucky had coated or I.V. bullets, not sure where that's coming from. I'm saying that Ward completely changed out his ammo before firing and Coulson pulled him aside for a conversation the audience didn't hear just before Ward decided to go to the Fridge. I'm almost positive we're going to see that convo and it'll be Coulson explaining the plan after we have a couple episodes of thinking Ward is a traitor.

Ok, except now Hand's bleeding out, with no medical team, and Garrett does... what? Watch while Ward patches up a dead body in prep to dispose of it? That makes no sense. These bullets don't seal the wound on the way through. And you need more than a trace amount of GH### to heal a shot to the gut, Skye demonstrated that.

Remember Ward acted out of character when he shot Clairvoyant Decoy #1. Wouldn't it make more sense that he was operating under orders from Garrett to ensure that he wouldn't be found out? I mean granted it didn't work very well...

Ward may be deep in cover, but he's burning a hell of a lot of bridges to do it.

Ward's supposed to be second best only to Black Widow when it comes to combat, pretty sure he can put a bullet somewhere that looks bad but isn't actually fatal, especially considering none of the three were moving targets. He had time to pick his shots and Hand (who being a Level 8 Agent can probably handle herself in a fight even when surprised) took no offensive or defensive action. Plus Hand invited him to take the shot, a nice bit of drama but I can't IMAGINE she'd let Ward actually kill the best intelligence asset they have in terms of actually hunting other Hydra cells, that'd be insane.

I could be way off base, and honestly I hope I am cause this it clumsily done. I think Coulson set this up so that they could see where/who Garrett runs to. If Ward went off-script and actually killed Hand and the other two agents (I don't think Coulson would give the order to kill her) then it gets Ward off the show for going too far and keeps the door open for him to come back as a guest star or eventual villain.

There is the issue of the other agents. Hand is shown to be shoot in the stomach, and some deal was made of showing her bleeding to dead, but the other agents where cleanly shot in the head. One would assume she can fake a fatal shot if Ward is skillful enough to miss any vital organs, but the rest is not that lucky. That means, if they were up for this, that Coulson and Hand gave the order for Ward to murder those agents to make Hand's dead more believable. Even when we could guess Hand would be fine with that, I don't think Coulson would approve of Ward shooting his allies in cold blood to cover him up, even grunts, specially now that loyal SHIELD staff seems to become an oddity.
I think this case is more clear. I just think Ward was an agent of HYDRA all along and, if he is lucky, he will be back on the team if he has a change of heart, but those dead are on him.
I am kind of curious how he didn't reveal himself when under the influence of Lorelai's hypnosis... Must have been some pretty deep indoctrination.

I am going to be watching to the end of the season, but I doubt I will watch a second season if there is one because of how this episode deals with the events of Captain America. I didn't have a chance to go see the movie over the weekend because of other commitments, but had full intent of going this weekend, but now my interest has been damaged because they decided to spoil elements of the movie in this episode.

As far as the episode itself goes its definitely more interesting then the first few episodes that aired.

Sanunes:
I am going to be watching to the end of the season, but I doubt I will watch a second season if there is one because of how this episode deals with the events of Captain America. I didn't have a chance to go see the movie over the weekend because of other commitments, but had full intent of going this weekend, but now my interest has been damaged because they decided to spoil elements of the movie in this episode.

As far as the episode itself goes its definitely more interesting then the first few episodes that aired.

you really should have expected something to be spoiled by the show seeing as last week had several lead ins and if you have seen any of the cap trailers you would have known that it would probably have a big affect on the show. I spent extra money last weekend on a taxi to an from the movie just so I wouldn't be spoiled when I watched the show this week. you could have always waited to see the show if you absolutely couldn't make the movie.

Sanunes:
I am going to be watching to the end of the season, but I doubt I will watch a second season if there is one because of how this episode deals with the events of Captain America. I didn't have a chance to go see the movie over the weekend because of other commitments, but had full intent of going this weekend, but now my interest has been damaged because they decided to spoil elements of the movie in this episode.

As far as the episode itself goes its definitely more interesting then the first few episodes that aired.

It's been pretty clear that the movies and show are tied together. They can't not be. So the pattern is established. If there's an episode after the release of a movie, it ties in somehow. Some are minor, like commenting on how the elves attacked Asgard. Others, like this one, are more significant, but you can't really have Cap obliterate SHIELD, and not have all the agents in a show *about* SHIELD somehow not notice...

hermes200:
I am kind of curious how he didn't reveal himself when under the influence of Lorelai's hypnosis... Must have been some pretty deep indoctrination.

Maybe it was a change of heart. Or it could be that it just wasn't relevant to Lorelei. Afterall, as far as HYDRA agents were concerned, HYDRA and SHIELD were one and the same. So when he says he's loyal to SHIELD, he means it. Just not in the same way everyone else does.

I don't know what the hell is going on. I do find it really suspicious that Victoria would just allow Garrett's execution right there on the plane.

I thought it was a really good episode though.

I guess this is why the release schedule's been so wonky- this episode had to come out after The Winter Soldier. Doesn't make it any less annoying. Hopefully there won't be another massive delay so the next Marvel movie (Ant-Man?) can 'catch up'.

But yes, we're finally getting rolling with the espionage now. For better or worse, for a time you felt like anyone could have been the mole, even Fitz. Sky's really going to regret giving the data backup to Ward instead of Coulson, but I'm glad it looks like he'll make his allegiances clear in the next episode instead of spending several skulking around the Bus looking like he's about to knife someone.

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