Zero Punctuation: Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes - $40 Demo

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Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes - $40 Demo

This week, Zero Punctuation reviews Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes.

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Lenny(ie?) was supposed to be likeable? I spent the whole book (and the film) wishing he would die horribly.

Still, this gives me slight hope for MGSV, which I may pick up when it's actually out, and not a glorified demo.

Well... it could have been more. It was gonna be 40 USD, but they decided to lower it by 10 bucks at the last minute because paying 75% of the game's price for 10% of the experience would have been too far. It's solid gameplay, but it's just a means to release something for the Japanese PS4 owners near their launch, and as far as I can suspect a means to pay off their new expensive engine.

Well, I'm guessing Metal Gear Solid V: Phantom Pain will likely include Ground Zero as well so no point in buying it really, if not it will probably be a lot cheaper than it is now

I would think that having an unlockable audiotape 'reward' of the villain

is more than "leaning on the fence of being weird a little too hard". That's more like bulldozing the fence and jumping on it with clodhoppers.

The only way that bomb-gut thing sounds like it could be any worse is if they put it in her uterus.

nima55:
The only way that bomb-gut thing sounds like it could be any worse is if they put it in her uterus.

Oh don't worry, they didn't. They just put the second one in her vagina...no I am not making this up, I wish to Christ that I was.

nima55:
The only way that bomb-gut thing sounds like it could be any worse is if they put it in her uterus.

Yeah, I was wondering if "guts" was supposed to mean that.

erttheking:

nima55:
The only way that bomb-gut thing sounds like it could be any worse is if they put it in her uterus.

Oh don't worry, they didn't. They just put the second one in her vagina...no I am not making this up, I wish to Christ that I was.

It's a snuke

erttheking:

nima55:
The only way that bomb-gut thing sounds like it could be any worse is if they put it in her uterus.

Oh don't worry, they didn't. They just put the second one in her vagina...no I am not making this up, I wish to Christ that I was.

Oh... Well that is just... SUPER not ok. Like seriously, that is just whole new unexplored levels of not ok, so many that boggle the mind. It makes me look at the whole MGS franchise with a little bit of not ok.

erttheking:

nima55:
The only way that bomb-gut thing sounds like it could be any worse is if they put it in her uterus.

Oh don't worry, they didn't. They just put the second one in her vagina...no I am not making this up, I wish to Christ that I was.

Trying to who's the sickest villian now, Mr. Skullface from MGS5, or the villain in Oldboy for

.

04whim:
I would think that having an unloackable audiotape 'reward' of the villain having a young girl gangraped is more than "leaning on the fence of being weird a little too hard". That's more like bulldozing the fence and jumping on it with clodhoppers.

Say what now?

I almost didn't believe the bit Yahtzee said about the bomb surgery and had to verify it on YouTube for myself, and now you're telling me there's a gangrape? What the hell is going on in this crazy-ass game?

04whim:
I would think that having an unloackable audiotape 'reward' of the villain having a young girl gangraped is more than "leaning on the fence of being weird a little too hard". That's more like bulldozing the fence and jumping on it with clodhoppers.

erttheking:

nima55:
The only way that bomb-gut thing sounds like it could be any worse is if they put it in her uterus.

Oh don't worry, they didn't. They just put the second one in her vagina...no I am not making this up, I wish to Christ that I was.

Jesus, that just..."makes me extremely uncomfortable" is an understatement.

Everyone talking about this game so far has only mentioned the "40 dollar demo" thing. I'm not sure which is a worse problem, honestly.

Transdude1996:

erttheking:

nima55:
The only way that bomb-gut thing sounds like it could be any worse is if they put it in her uterus.

Oh don't worry, they didn't. They just put the second one in her vagina...no I am not making this up, I wish to Christ that I was.

Trying to who's the sickest villian now, Mr. Skullface from MGS5, or the villain in Oldboy for

.

I distinctly remember there being a manga where an evil (albeit lighthearted) queen had a dinner with a feudal lord and served him a well-made hamburger steak, only to reveal that that hamburger steak was made from the lord's son whom she had kept as a political ransom.

Wait, there's two MGSV games?

Say what now?

I almost didn't believe the bit Yahtzee said about the bomb surgery and had to verify it on YouTube for myself, and now you're telling me there's a gangrape? What the hell is going on in this crazy-ass game?

Kojima's a hack writer trying to be edgy. And then, to fit in with the tone of all this, there's literally an in game version of him winking at the camera.

Evonisia:
Lenny(ie?) was supposed to be likeable? I spent the whole book (and the film) wishing he would die horribly.

That's sort of terrifying. Please don't kill your kids should you ever have any.

Anyway I pretty much agree with this. It's a fantastic game, and is one of the first games to make stealth feel genuinely organic rather than like a series of hiding places and blind guards. It's just a shame that Konami couldn't resist the temptation to charge for it.

I get the feeling that they put pressure on Kojima Productions to get the game out as quickly as possible (Konami's been bleeding cash for years now and MGS is pretty much its last garunteed payday) and they had to reach a comprimise to make sure the main game could keep the development time and budget it needed to be good.

Either way I'm god damn excited for The Phantom Pain now.

This being a metal gear game and me having far too little stealth action lately, meant that i had no choice but to hand over my precious money for this. I knew what i was doing and i do feel ashamed just like the moment my landlord rises my rent because i don't tickle his love spuds.
Is kojami going to ever acknowledge what a rip off this is? Because i keep expecting some sort of compensation, at least money off the full game or something. Luckily i got the digital download on 360 so it was 20. Like fck am i getting the current gen version for more!

dragongit:
Well... it could have been more. It was gonna be 40 USD, but they decided to lower it by 10 bucks at the last minute because paying 75% of the game's price for 10% of the experience would have been too far. It's solid gameplay, but it's just a means to release something for the Japanese PS4 owners near their launch, and as far as I can suspect a means to pay off their new expensive engine.

I don't think Australia got the memo about changing the price. It happens a lot over there.

Dear me, I must be a dreadful softie in the greater scheme of things, considering I got too uncomfortable with the series all the way back in Snake Eater.

Are we sure Kojima doesn't operate out of some kind of home?

BRB annexing Sudetenland.

The Gentleman:

I distinctly remember there being a manga where an evil (albeit lighthearted) queen had a dinner with a feudal lord and served him a well-made hamburger steak, only to reveal that that hamburger steak was made from the lord's son whom she had kept as a political ransom.

The "making a parent eat their child" plot actually dates back to Titus Andronicus, one of Shakespeare's earlier plays. Not sure if it had ever been used before then, but we've gotten a lot of great adaptations and parodies since then.

On the topic of MGSV: wow this is messed up. I was never planning on playing it, but the fact that the game, already overpriced and sinister in and of itself, is so violent toward women just makes me want to steer clear forever.

Xsjadoblayde:
This being a metal gear game and me having far too little stealth action lately, meant that i had no choice but to hand over my precious money for this. I knew what i was doing and i do feel ashamed just like the moment my landlord rises my rent because i don't tickle his love spuds.
Is kojami going to ever acknowledge what a rip off this is? Because i keep expecting some sort of compensation, at least money off the full game or something. Luckily i got the digital download on 360 so it was 20. Like fck am i getting the current gen version for more!

im in the same boat as you. being a metal gear fan i had to play it the day it came out, and an hour later i felt like i was the one having a bomb pulled out of me. as for kojami admitting its a rip off he actually went on record saying you can get a hundred hours out of playing it over and over again.... because you apparently can't do that with every game ever made. hell the intro mission in mgs2 took twice as long to beat as their new game 2 console generations later

erttheking:

nima55:
The only way that bomb-gut thing sounds like it could be any worse is if they put it in her uterus.

Oh don't worry, they didn't. They just put the second one in her vagina...no I am not making this up, I wish to Christ that I was.

I'm not one to go on about triggers and overly sensitive things in games, but that's kinda squick. Shock entertainment value is a valid form of expression. But I thought Metal Gear was supposed to be deep, where most things had a purpose, no matter how shitty. What is the purpose here?

erttheking:

nima55:
The only way that bomb-gut thing sounds like it could be any worse is if they put it in her uterus.

Oh don't worry, they didn't. They just put the second one in her vagina...no I am not making this up, I wish to Christ that I was.

Just watched the cutscene, and she says "There's another...in my..." and doesn't specify as far as I can see. (Also, 24 mins of cutscenes)

And...well, having a bomb in your vagina wouldn't be fun, but at least you wouldn't have to be cut open to get it out.

It is a very dark game in some parts, which reinforces the inconsistency problem of the franchise as a whole. That being said, I liked the game, ignoring the price (which it was lower to me in absolute terms since the parallel dollar in Argentina absorbed most of the blow), MGS is one of the franchises in the triple A world that tries to speak of real world problems within the context of its own narrative,it brought up electronic surveillance way before Snowden in MGS2, child soldiers exist all over the world and when they get captured no one gives them any special treatment because of their age.

What other game series dares to bring such things to the forefront? I mean just look at Spec Ops The Line it brought PTSD and civilian killings to the game and hardly anyone played it. This is why I still applaud the MGS series and I will play the Phantom Pain the day it comes out.

Taunta:

04whim:
I would think that having an unloackable audiotape 'reward' of the villain having a young girl gangraped is more than "leaning on the fence of being weird a little too hard". That's more like bulldozing the fence and jumping on it with clodhoppers.

erttheking:

nima55:
The only way that bomb-gut thing sounds like it could be any worse is if they put it in her uterus.

Oh don't worry, they didn't. They just put the second one in her vagina...no I am not making this up, I wish to Christ that I was.

Jesus, that just..."makes me extremely uncomfortable" is an understatement.

Imagine how she felt.

.
..
...
....
probably not good.

30 minutes? I think even Battle of Los Angeles is longer.

"Arranging dead Bodies in the form of a Swastika" that never occured to me to do in game, until now...

The Gentleman:

Transdude1996:

erttheking:

Oh don't worry, they didn't. They just put the second one in her vagina...no I am not making this up, I wish to Christ that I was.

Trying to who's the sickest villian now, Mr. Skullface from MGS5, or the villain in Oldboy for

.

I distinctly remember there being a manga where an evil (albeit lighthearted) queen had a dinner with a feudal lord and served him a well-made hamburger steak, only to reveal that that hamburger steak was made from the lord's son whom she had kept as a political ransom.

Wait, there's two MGSV games?

Better yet there is the Shakespeare play were two guys rape a girl by order of their mom and cut off her hands and tongue, and later when her dad finds out he invites the boys' mom to dinner only to reveal that the pie she's been eating is made up of her two dead sons. Ah Shakespeare, what literary genius you are!

Evonisia:
Lenny(ie?) was supposed to be likeable? I spent the whole book (and the film) wishing he would die horribly.

Still, this gives me slight hope for MGSV, which I may pick up when it's actually out, and not a glorified demo.

Heh. That takes me back to the start of High School where we had to study "Of Mice and Men" in English. I'll never forget that someone wrote

on the first page of their book. I'm still laughing about that today.

I always got the feel that Kojima writes in that particular "stupid anime" sort of way. Having played Revengeance I frankly couldn't help but giggle and cheer at it's attempts at seriousness. It just comes across so very campy that it ends up being hilarious.

"oh no kids brains are getting hijacked to build drones!"
"holy shit remove the pain blockers on my implants itll make me fight gooder!"
"BLAH BLAH BLAH MEMETIC THEORY BLAH BLAH BLAH DODGE THIS BUILDING"
To which Raiden answers, after the villian's defeat:
"YOUR MEMES ARE GOING TO BE FORGOTTEN" in a Batman voice.

God of Path:
BRB annexing Sudetenland.

I think you mean Suderland.

IMO, after Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon, this type of pricing is UNACCEPTABLE!

mrm5561:

Xsjadoblayde:
This being a metal gear game and me having far too little stealth action lately, meant that i had no choice but to hand over my precious money for this. I knew what i was doing and i do feel ashamed just like the moment my landlord rises my rent because i don't tickle his love spuds.
Is kojami going to ever acknowledge what a rip off this is? Because i keep expecting some sort of compensation, at least money off the full game or something. Luckily i got the digital download on 360 so it was 20. Like fck am i getting the current gen version for more!

im in the same boat as you. being a metal gear fan i had to play it the day it came out, and an hour later i felt like i was the one having a bomb pulled out of me. as for kojami admitting its a rip off he actually went on record saying you can get a hundred hours out of playing it over and over again.... because you apparently can't do that with every game ever made. hell the intro mission in mgs2 took twice as long to beat as their new game 2 console generations later

Wow. He said that? Who wants to be playing 100 hours of the same level? Granted, fighting games can perhaps get away with this. Though the players who prefer that style of play always know what to expect. Personally, i always try and do things as stealthily as possible, if i go the rambo/action route, it's usually because i screwed up...not because i wanted to play it all again.

04whim:
I would think that having an unlockable audiotape 'reward' of the villain

is more than "leaning on the fence of being weird a little too hard". That's more like bulldozing the fence and jumping on it with clodhoppers.

Nope. Nope this can't be real. This can't be-*googles it*

...

Fucking hell.

And on top of that apparently you can examine her underwear-clad, scarred body during a cutscene? Really? Is there a single indulgent impulse Metal Gear won't jump into with both feet? Because this has crossed the line to being just completely not cool.

Evonisia:
Lenny(ie?) was supposed to be likeable? I spent the whole book (and the film) wishing he would die horribly.

Which, oddly enough, would put it into my comparison of the Metal Gear series.

dragongit:
Well... it could have been more. It was gonna be 40 USD, but they decided to lower it by 10 bucks at the last minute because paying 75% of the game's price for 10% of the experience would have been too far. It's solid gameplay, but it's just a means to release something for the Japanese PS4 owners near their launch, and as far as I can suspect a means to pay off their new expensive engine.

Plus, if you put it on sale, people will buy it because screw logic, it's on sale.

"You bought clams from Al's Pancake World?"
"We had a coupon."

nima55:

Oh... Well that is just... SUPER not ok. Like seriously, that is just whole new unexplored levels of not ok, so many that boggle the mind. It makes me look at the whole MGS franchise with a little bit of not ok.

This is barely new ground for MGS. It's not even particularly envelope pushing, as prior threads on this have illustrated. Like, I get why people are uncomfortable. What I don't get is why this retroactively taints a series that's always been about two steps from tentacle rape.

04whim:

Kojima's a hack writer trying to be edgy.

And brilliant. And deep. He's basically the end result of a really shitty indie dev given a massive budget and constant ego stroking from a fanbase who will defend the premise of paying 40 bucks for an hour of gameplay because Kojima did it, even though a couple years ago the concept of such a paid demo was floated by (EA? Activision? I forget which, they're so similar in most respects) and people lost their bloody minds. Not to mention Dead Rising, which was only five bucks.

Next up: Phantom Pain will charge for bullets and Kojima's fans will defend the practice so we can literally go back and look and see which of them screamed when the same idea was floated by John Rikki Tiki Tavi.

thaluikhain:

And...well, having a bomb in your vagina wouldn't be fun, but at least you wouldn't have to be cut open to get it out.

Knowing Kojima, I'm pretty sure the method by which it would be introduced would be worse than being opened up surgically.

As such....

Scars Unseen:

Imagine how she felt.

In short, I'd really rather not.

Scars Unseen:

Imagine how she felt.

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....
probably not good.

Imagine how it will feel when tons of MGS fanboys are going to swarm on us, hand wave it all away and say sexism and misogyny exists only in our own mind.

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