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The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - The Movie That Broke MovieBob

MovieBob feels that The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is, in a way, a better movie than its predecessor... but just barely.

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I warned you not to get your hopes up, Bob. I really did. I just doesn't pay to be optimistic sometimes, especially when you can see it coming.

So basically, Sony wants to be like Marvel but they neglected to make a movie that's actually good in its own right. Exactly as I predicted. I wouldn't be surprised if WB tries to do the same with DC universe and fails for the same reason.

Good God... I'm so sorry, Bob.

This is what happens when a studio holds onto an intellectual property not because it has some sort of vision for it, but because it sees it as a cash cow. We'll be stuck looking at a series of soulless sequels, just so Sony can squeeze every last cent they possibly can out of Peter Parker.

At this point, I'd almost *want* the rights to return to Marvel Studios and for that fanboyish setup to actually take place. Anything would be better than Sony Pictures going "Yeah, so we gotta keep the rights to Spidey because money... So yeah. Have a half-assed movie."

Or, shit - someone convince Sam Raimi to reboot those reboots. Anything, literally *anything* would be better than this.

Ouch.
I wasn't expecting much from this flic, but for it to be so bad?

And is it fitting that the DC announcement of their wannabe-Avengers is tied to this review...

Bob, do...do you need a hug? I was pleasently surprised to hear that you knew who the Gentlemen was, he's one of my favorite villains ever, to be honest. Even if he is a bit over-the-top and slightly Villain Sue-ish, he's just so delightfully irredeemable and hammy in a low-key way that I fell in love with him.

IamLEAM1983:

Or, shit - someone convince Sam Raimi to reboot those reboots. Anything, literally *anything* would be better than this.

Hell, I'd just say have Sam Raimi pick up the original Spider-Man series where it left off. The Bond franchise had at least eight meh-to-downright-bad movies in it and it still kept going, because nothing is ever perfect 100% of the time. So Spider-Man 3 was kind of a bust, so what? Move on and make the next one better.

But noooooooo! Batman rebooted and that was successful, so we've got to reboot everything.

I had just finished watching today's Big Picture when this came out.
That was heart-wrenching. Superhero movies always got the most interesting reviews from Bob... Sucks that they also tend to be really bad.

IamLEAM1983:
Good God... I'm so sorry, Bob.

This is what happens when a studio holds onto an intellectual property not because it has some sort of vision for it, but because it sees it as a cash cow. We'll be stuck looking at a series of soulless sequels, just so Sony can squeeze every last cent they possibly can out of Peter Parker.

At this point, I'd almost *want* the rights to return to Marvel Studios and for that fanboyish setup to actually take place. Anything would be better than Sony Pictures going "Yeah, so we gotta keep the rights to Spidey because money... So yeah. Have a half-assed movie."

Or, shit - someone convince Sam Raimi to reboot those reboots. Anything, literally *anything* would be better than this.

Better yet, just stop everything Spiderman altogether for at least 20 years.

That'd at least get this sour taste out of our mouths and let us forget about the abortions that are the ASM movies.

I wanted to say something snarky. But then that my SOLVEmedia puzzle was "Vogon poetry." Nothing else I could say would feel quite as appropriate.

Vogon poetry.

Heh heh that sounds depressing. Now I need to see this movie.

Thanks for the advertisement Bob!

- Sony

That is how I felt about the Micheal Bay transformers. But I still have the original cartoon movie. Remeber that Bob.

Electro, "who gets a bunch of scenes devoted to him even though his storyline doesn't have anything structurally or thematically to do with the other stuff and he basically ends up being a henchman", sounds like Sandman from Spider-Man 3.

Speaking of Spider-Man 3, I wonder if Bob hated that too. Even though it had its fair share of nonsensical motivations and actors who don't really pull-off their characters (or something like that), at least it had Venom messing Spidey up so much that it got funny. Too bad there isn't "Apathetic/Hipster Spider-Man" in this movie like "Emo Spider-Man" in the older one.

Yeah, now that you've finally seen it, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 didn't feel like a movie to me, as much as a poorly made advertisement for other movies. For all my problems with the first one, at the very least there was some semblance of a plot. This doesn't even have that. Oh, and the last 10 minutes?

EDIT: I'd just like to add that, having followed your twitter, I think the actors in this movie are not the problem. Everything wrong with this movie falls under its poor writing and directing. In fact, I call it a testament to Andrew's and Emma's acting ability that despite having nothing to work with, still gave a great job in their roles. In fact, if this movie gets its (undeserved) praise, this will be why. The actors cover up, however superficially, this stain of a movie.

God this is like star war episode 1 all over again.
something i enjoy is now tainted

Wait come to think of it didn't bob voice strong opinions that fanboy should calm down and get over the rage.

I know, he'd say that he doesn't like this film because of its commercialism not its quality, but he forgave all that in the avengers side shows (Iron man 2)

I know that bob is also of opinion that give true objectivity is impossible, his opinions are allowed to be biased. But the question arrises who is this review for, cause bob's bias in this case seems to be he hates everything about the films, so is this a review of the amazing spiderman for people who hate amazing spiderman?

I seriously hope this doesn't break out into a flame war because Bob doesn't like this film. He clearly doesn't need it.

DAYYYUMMMM! That's pretty brutal Bob. I maintain that the Sam Raimi directed films are objectively better than these new ones based solely on the fact, regardless of one's personal tastes, Raimi clearly made the movies he wanted to make. The alternative of course being these cold products that reek of design by committee.

However, I didn't expect it to hit you this hard...

I read about the ending on wikipedia. An if it does end that way then id react the same way. lol. They are world building as quick as possible. Same as what DC are doing with BvS to get their JL movie set up. All the suits are rushing everything to make Avengers box office while ignoring what Marvel had to do and the time and risk to get there.

Get over yourself there big guy, the movie isn't THAT bad.

Holy crap what a seething review! But I can understand it. Bob articulates exactly how I felt about the first Amazing Spider-Man, and in general, other franchises I care about that get exploited by movie producers, television networks, and video game publishers. It's depressing. I know your pain, Bob. We all do. My condolences. =(

It's OK, Bob, us nameless internet folk are here to support you!

Besides Batman, they really suck at this, right? Right?

I think it truly says something when not even Man of Steel could illicit this kind of response from Bob. Sure he doesn't like that movie but I get the feeling that he believes Warner Bros. may possibly be getting their act together and is waiting for the sequel to see how it all pans out. This though this is just heart breaking to hear. And the great problem with it all. It won't fail Spider-man will never fail. They've gotten smart enough to know how not to make a Batman and Robin level disaster such that even in the wake of bad movies a franchise can still bounce back from it *looking at you X-men*. If this film did fail and the rights go back to Marvel I would be happy. Sure I personally wouldn't be in the mood for another Spider-man to show up so soon but knowing that he is in the hands of Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios would ease my mind because they at least care about the characters so that when a new Spidey movie shows up you know he'll be treated with the love Raimi treated him with all those years ago.

King Whurdler:
DAYYYUMMMM! That's pretty brutal Bob. I maintain that the Sam Raimi directed films are objectively better than these new ones based solely on the fact, regardless of one's personal tastes, Raimi clearly made the movies he wanted to make.

Apart from the third one obviously.

OT: After the reboot getting the greenlight as quickly as it did, I knew I wanted to have nothing to do with these new movies. Good thing I never dove back in it seems. The fucking conspiracy plot would likely have sent me into a frenzy by itself.

I knew you'd hate this movie but I didn't really expect this. This review just really wanted to make me give you a hug, Bob. It's sad to see someones passion quashed like this. Not that I actually agree with you about the film, but it's sad nonethless.

The film has many many problems, the tone attempts to straddle comedy, drama and romance all at the same time and never quite pulls of any sort off transition between the three, the dialogue can be both cringeworthy and entirely useless. It's a mess structurally, it seems like barely a minute can go by without someone explaining things to the audience of recapping what has already happened in the first film. The Green Goblin shows up way too late in the story, I agree that the plot takes random detours into things that have nothing to do with anything and I definitely agree with you that Electro gets too much screentime. His teleporting looks more than a little similiar to that really cool scene from Watchmen and the final battle with him is more than a little... completely ripped off from the ending from Iron Man.

I get why you hate it, I really do. There is a lot to hate. But whenever Peter Parker donned his mask my immediate thought was "this is actually kinda awesome". Pretty much any of the scenes where it's Spider-man instead of Peter Parker just really worked for me. I thought the acting was pretty on point; Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone's obvious chemistry elevated the script in places, Dane Dehaan was fantastic when he actually got to the meat of the role and Sally Fields is always great.

I liked how Gwen Stacey actually had a character this time, instead of the "I'm inexplicably in love with you even though you've only spoken 3 half formed sentences in the past 5 minutes" from the first one. She prioritised her own happiness and the film never seems to call her an asshole for it. She actually has autonomy, hurrah!

There was a guy on Cinefix that said this is the best Spider-man movie ever made; I wouldn't go anywhere near that (spider-man 2 is in my top 3 superhero movies), but I think I'd call this "Alright". Not great, not good, just alright. Passable.

Hugs?

I've never liked Spiderman so always stayed away from the movies but it's still sad to hear a review like this, as it certainly sounds like this might become the more and more prevailant in superhero movies.

IamLEAM1983:
Good God... I'm so sorry, Bob.

This is what happens when a studio holds onto an intellectual property not because it has some sort of vision for it, but because it sees it as a cash cow. We'll be stuck looking at a series of soulless sequels, just so Sony can squeeze every last cent they possibly can out of Peter Parker.

These movies are so bad they are doing actual brand damage. You'd think there would be a way to stop this tragedy, I don't like the "hey lets sue someone" mentality, but could threat of a lawsuit put enough pressure on Sony to make them rethink their bad behavior? Probably not.

Alternate solution: Could Marvel studios make the movie and have Sony distribute them or something?

Somebody needs a beating.

It's funny and sad that I felt the same feeling when the How I met your Mother finale popped up. It actually made depressed for a week.

Pretty sure, I'm going to get THAT comment. Yes, I'm aware that not anyone find the show funny or good. I got into it. I've learned, laughed and cried during its time. To be a fan and then be crushed like that is a very bad feeling. It's something that made you feel good about yourself for a while. Then, it died and you couldn't stop it.

That's why I can feel Bob's pain. I may find AMS 2 to be good ( I doubt it), but I know that I lived that gut-wrenching feeling of watching something lose its meaning. For that, Bob, I can empathized.

You may have found that review hard to write, but from this perspective it's hard to watch.

MowDownJoe:
I seriously hope this doesn't break out into a flame war because Bob doesn't like this film. He clearly doesn't need it.

That would imply that people were seriously hyped for this movie, which is something I doubt.

gjkbgt:
Wait come to think of it didn't bob voice strong opinions that fanboy should calm down and get over the rage.

There isn't any rage in this video; only exasperation, disappointment, and bleak, bleak nihilism. Remember, he referenced Lovecraftian cosmic horror, in which the protagonist's mind breaks and loses all hope, not when they become Mad Max. Sure, it'll probably boil into rage later, but even then it wouldn't be (entirely) fanboy rage because the anger is directed at dumbass capitalists who are willing to piss on classic works of art for (poorly thought out) money reasons.

gjkbgt:
I know, he'd say that he doesn't like this film because of its commercialism not its quality, but he forgave all that in the avengers side shows (Iron man 2)

This doesn't even make any sense. He hates the movie because it is (qualitatively) terrible, and the movie is terrible because of a poor attempt to steal the money the other Marvel movies are making.

gjkbgt:
I know that bob is also of opinion that give true objectivity is impossible, his opinions are allowed to be biased. But the question arrises who is this review for, cause bob's bias in this case seems to be he hates everything about the films, so is this a review of the amazing spiderman for people who hate amazing spiderman?

It's possible to give rational analyses of things you despise. I, for example, hate Deus Ex: Human Revolution with a passion that could burn houses down, but if you asked me to sit down and give it a formal review I'd say the game is good and give it a score somewhere around 4/5.

I can relate to you Bob, in that I had the same feeling when I watched Ultimate Spiderman, the cartoon series, for the first time.

The first amazing Spiderman didn't strike me as the cynical cold cash grab of a movie, just that it was only "Okay". The Ultimate Spiderman (cartoon) pissed me off to an unreasonable degree, from little touches, like Shield developing a better webshooter than he could (only Parker should know how to make those thing, THATS WHY NO ONE ELSE USES THEM), to his character being reduced to an unfunny douche bag version of Ferris Bueller, because, according to Executives, "Kids only like random humor."

It seems like this movie did the same to you Bob. I see why Sony is trying so hard to make the Spiderman Universe so radically larger, but its clear that almost every creative decision in the movie is a result of Movie executives trying to imitate what Marvel did in the shortest time possible. I bet not a single one of those people even picked up a comic book to try and understand what people actually liked about the character.

Whats worse is that no matter what, these assholes will always be in charge, at least of Spiderman.

Well, speaking as another Spider-Man fan, all I can say is...

I liked it.

SonOfVoorhees:
I read about the ending on wikipedia. An if it does end that way then id react the same way. lol. They are world building as quick as possible. Same as what DC are doing with BvS to get their JL movie set up. All the suits are rushing everything to make Avengers box office while ignoring what Marvel had to do and the time and risk to get there.

Except I get the impression that DC does actually care to some degree about their characters. Sure Man of Steel may not be the best movie but there were hints and touches in there that told me "Yeah that's Superman" in so far as origins go they gave him a firm building block for actual character development as the movies go on. With TASM I liked it on its surface at first. However when I got to thinking about the villain and spidey himself the movie just got worse and worse in my mind. There is still hope for the DC Universe. Even though Victor Stone is in the next movie apparently its just a minor role. Maybe smaller then Black Widow's was in Iron Man 2. Also Zack Snyder is a great director, especially of action. If a decent writer actually worked on the movies I'm sure the DC Universe would be awesome. I mean he did direct Watchmen, 300, and Legend of the Guardians and none of those I would call bad films by any stretch.

I can relate, if you took this exact review and replaced the word "spider-man" with "x-men" you'd have how I legitimately feel about the live action wolverine movies, because they are all wolverine movies. I hate them as much as bob hates AS2.

OT: I am really sorry, and you know what, i'm not going to see it. at least not pay to see it. I wasn't super enthused to begin with but after this review. wow, no thank you.

This is what I feel about what Disney is doing with there Marvel's cinematic universe.

Creating boring (Thor) (Thor 2) (Incredible Hulk) over rated insults to the comics (Iron Man 3) that are nothing but trailers for 'Avenger' films and merchandise.

Amazing Spiderman 2 though, I enjoyed it a lot just like I did the first one, just like both Captain America films, the Dark Knight Trilogy and the first two Iron Man films.

If you want a vision of the future Bob, imagine a corporate boot stamping on a Spiderman mask - forever.

It wasn't a good film, there were some entertaining set pieces but I don't really like Andrew Garfield as Peter Parker (I'm still a Tobey Maguire fan) because he's just too 'cool' and with it. Peter in this seems to have none of the problems being Spider Man normally causes apart from being almost late to a couple of important things. But even then he shows up in the nick of time and manages to be cool and confident about everything as he swishes about with a stupid grin.

Garfield's only saving graces are his obvious chemistry with Emma Stone as Gwen Stacy and the clear signs that he's having the time of his life making this. That little jump for joy he does after helping Gwen was actually quite funny.

I'll give Dane DeHaan his dues, he did actually do a good job of convincing me Harry and Peter used to be best friends despite having no mention of Harry in the first ASM. Decent performance from him.

But other than that, Electro didn't actually do that much. Something that really annoyed me about him was how he got his name. He just picks it from nowhere with no reason behind it. At least Green Goblin and Doc Ock (Raimi films) got named in an interesting way. Rhino was barely in it either, and the Rhino suit looks remarkably stupid. More than that, there is the continuation of Peter being central to things he doesn't even understand and don't matter to the story. The stuff with his parents and Oscorp and everything else.

Boo on you film. Boo I say.

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